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Erap Running as President in 2010? What A Shame!
« on: January 09, 2008, 07:21:48 PM »
By Atty. Cristifil "Check" Baluma
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Two years and a half away from the next election for the highest official of our land, the bickering and positioning for the next president is beginning to heat up. No less than two big names in Philippine politics are in the news, former Presidents Joseph Ejercito Estrada and Fidel Valdez Ramos are rumored to be eyeing once again the position they once had, the former having held office for six uninterrupted years, the other by just over two years. Many names have already emerged in the news to be vying for the presidency comes 2010: Senators Mar Roxas, Panfilo Lacson, Loren Legarda, Manuel Vilar and even Richard Gordon. The list continues with presidential appointees Bayani Fernando and Gilbert Teodoro. Not to be outdone is the current Vice-President Noli de Castro, who did not close his doors for the only position above his.

But what caught the most attention of them all for me is the alleged plan of the two titans in Philippine history to make a run for the presidency a second time around. Who can forget former President Fidel Ramos, the man who defied great odds, despite losing in the fight for the standard bearer of his original party, he created his own party with the support of his followers, and won in the 1992 elections over close pursuer, now Senator Miriam Defensor Santiago? Who can also forget former President Joseph “Erap” Estrada, the man who from being a multi-awarded action star, successfully pedalled his way into politics as San Juan Mayor, Senator, Vice-President and finally to the apex, the presidency in 1998?

If the two former presidents really intend to run again for President, both will be facing similar probable legal impediment. This legal impediment is found in Article VII, Section 4 of the 1987 Constitution which states: “ The President and the Vice-President shall be elected by direct vote of the people for a term of six years which shall begin at noon on the thirtieth day of June next following the day of the election and shall end at noon of the same date six years thereafter. The President shall not be eligible for any reelection. No person who has succeeded as President and has served as such for more than four years shall be qualified for election to the same office at any time. No Vice-President shall serve for more than two successive terms. Voluntary renunciation of the office for any length of time shall not be considered as an interruption in the continuity of the service for the full term for which he was elected. xxx”

This constitutional issue alone should be resolved as early as possible, because the two at present continues to have strong followings. In the case of Erap, Metro Manila continues to be his bailwick, for FVR, he still can rely on his generals and men in uniform for support. Understandably, Article VII, Section 4 of the 1987 Constitution was inserted in order to prevent a repeat of what happened in the pre-1987 era. In the case of former President Ramos, his loyal supporters were saying that six years was too short for him as president. In the case of Estrada, his battlecry for running again is perhaps different, as he only seeks to complete his six years term in office, cut short by the 2001 EDSA 2. The constitutional provision cited is very explicit that the President shall not be eligible for any reelection.

While some quarters in the news have argued that the word reelection applies to serving for two successive terms, Checkpoints view is different. Aside from the word reelection, preceding it is the word “any”. What is very clear in the same provision is the scenario that both former presidents Estrada and Ramos can run for Vice-President. In the case of former President Estrada, if his pardon was absolute as he claims, then his civil and political rights are restored. If and when this happens, and any of the two would emerge victorious as Vice-President, by the stroke of luck, if the duly elected and qualified President dies, resigns, is permanent disabled or is removed, then the Vice-President would serve as President to serve the remaining unexpired term. Although former President Estrada was elected Vice-President before, he did not run for reelection in the latter position, making him eligible to run again for Vice-President. If former President Estrada plays his cards right and teams up with a formidable presidential candidate who is willing to sacrifice, who knows what will happen? In the case of former President Ramos, although he may no longer be young, he is still capable of pulling surprises.

While in the U.S. presidential candidates are wooing voters to vote for them, often engaging in debates, here in the Philippines, it is more of political positioning and money. The bell signaling the start of battle for the 2010 presidency has sounded this early in the Philippines and we expect major political shake-ups this year.

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Reply: Erap Running as President in 2010? What A Shame!
« Reply #1 on: January 10, 2008, 08:36:17 AM »
O my, I was planning to visit Phil.for the 2nd time in 2010. But now I realized it's Presidential election, I change my mind. I don't want to get trapped if ever something happens, which I hope none would. I hate to prolong my patients of visiting  there again.
What I wish though, that there will be a decent Presidential candidate that will truly commit in changing the country to a better one.
And O please no more Erap!

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« Reply #2 on: March 08, 2008, 03:11:18 AM »
B) I think times have changed, I was here during the elections and being a foreigner it has been very fine so far.
I am also in media here and I was not scared of the election one time but before do to apprehension and persons filling my head with garbage i was indeed scared.
I have not exsperienced any bad election periods in Bohol so far.

If i am home in the states and i will see a news article involving danger over here my mind gets all worked up for nothing really.
When I get here despite what are the bad things going on there is always ways to avoid what it is you do not want to be associated with as far as dangers are concerned.

I have ben here a long time, and I am use to the nice people here and their ways and vigilant around those who come acros as a bit stranger then normal.

B:) Just come home relax and enjoy visiting with your family and just be cautious always.

I hope to see you here or any of you here and would hope for a chance to say hello to you in person.

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Re: Erap Running as President in 2010? What A Shame!
« Reply #4 on: March 08, 2008, 04:08:51 AM »
What is the nation's view on Sen. Manuel Villar Jr? I hear he's considering running for the Presidency.

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Re: Erap Running as President in 2010? What A Shame!
« Reply #5 on: March 08, 2008, 04:21:13 AM »
To the subject line, all I can say is:  What a shame, indeed! 

Welcome, the President of the Republic of the Philippines, formerly the ousted President, tried and proven guilty of crimes by the same country that is putting him back to the presidency! :o ::)

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Re: Erap Running as President in 2010? What A Shame!
« Reply #6 on: March 08, 2008, 04:23:44 AM »
Mura naman ta ug giduwa-duwaan ani  ::)

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Re: Erap Running as President in 2010? What A Shame!
« Reply #7 on: March 08, 2008, 04:28:12 AM »
wala naba gyud diay delikadisa ang atong mga kadagkuan sa Pilipinas?

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« Reply #8 on: March 08, 2008, 04:34:34 AM »
I think they have this hallucination that they are good!  In most times, they thought that just because people would scream in delight to see them in public places, that's already a perfect gauge of their of their desirability to lead the country!  And when election time comes, to meet the gap between hallucination and reality, they buy the votes! :o

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« Reply #9 on: March 08, 2008, 04:36:23 AM »
kaluoy sa Pilipinas. Unsa kahay maayo natong buhaton ani.

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« Reply #10 on: March 08, 2008, 04:41:14 AM »
kaluoy sa Pilipinas. Unsa kahay maayo natong buhaton ani.

That's a very good question, Manong Lindy!  Sa kalisud sa mga katawhan sa ato, kapit na lang sa patalim, so to speak.  But I think, if dili lang ni ma corrupt ang pag proliferate sa self-help groups, maka help ni sa pag empower sa atong mga katawhan.  Kinahanglan man lang gud ni ma educate atong mga katawhan na first, mg vote sila wisely and not because they were tainted by a few pesos handed to them.

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« Reply #11 on: March 08, 2008, 04:42:33 AM »
But then again, sahay, we thought we voted the right person and when power sets in to them, same vicious cycle of corruption lang gihapon ang mahitabo.  Hay naku!

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« Reply #12 on: March 08, 2008, 04:42:39 AM »
mao lagi mao man gyud niy lisod karon sa atua kay negosyo naman gyud ang politika sa ato

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« Reply #13 on: March 08, 2008, 05:53:55 AM »
B) I think times have changed, I was here during the elections and being a foreigner it has been very fine so far.
I am also in media here and I was not scared of the election one time but before do to apprehension and persons filling my head with garbage i was indeed scared.
I have not exsperienced any bad election periods in Bohol so far.

If i am home in the states and i will see a news article involving danger over here my mind gets all worked up for nothing really.
When I get here despite what are the bad things going on there is always ways to avoid what it is you do not want to be associated with as far as dangers are concerned.

I have ben here a long time, and I am use to the nice people here and their ways and vigilant around those who come acros as a bit stranger then normal.

B:) Just come home relax and enjoy visiting with your family and just be cautious always.

I hope to see you here or any of you here and would hope for a chance to say hello to you in person.

This is good to know preciousN.. that you do have a positive way of looking at it and staying in the Philippines inspite of these terrible politics and all. And also, I'm glad that of all the islands there, you picked Bohol.

You probably know more about Bohol now than I do :)

Yes, I certainly would like to go back even though I don't have immediate family there anymore just aunts,uncles, cousins and of course my close friends. Especially now that I've got new friends here in Tubag Bohol who's also exciting to see and meet in person, you as one. I think we can get along.

Being vigilant, that's no problem, I'm a boholana, I still know how to act one and blend in, like you said, be cautious and this time, I'll be extra cautious.

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« Reply #14 on: March 11, 2008, 11:22:21 PM »
B:) Your a sweetheart and thank you for the kind words. We here at this web site say just about anything and everything so maybe at times you maybe shock because in here we allow persons to speak their minds with out being put down instead maybe give and get some advice to help us think differently as well and for the beeter about things then again some things are ok to say point blank!

Just let me know when you will be arriving here and I would be glad to meeet up with you and catch you up on everything current happening and share many giggles together!

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« Reply #15 on: March 12, 2008, 12:12:04 AM »
kapalmuks jud ning Estradaha ni ai... ni-speech pa sa rally... grrrr!!!!

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« Reply #16 on: March 12, 2008, 12:49:02 AM »
I was riding in a Tagbilaran finest multi cab rolling along to ICM and I am a good big bird and i normally sit in the front seat and the driver was joking me and a grumbling away at how much he wants Gloria out of the palace and he says "Look at how Nixon was during water gate he stepped down gracefully but this President Ate Glo she is a midget indeed and if they are giving her an inch for her every foot of hight then that explains why her brain is also a midget as it would be only four inches in all dimensions added together!"
"Estrada was goood!" as he continues on to say then adds "At least Estrada was frank and to the point!"

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« Reply #17 on: March 12, 2008, 12:28:35 PM »
B:) Your a sweetheart and thank you for the kind words. We here at this web site say just about anything and everything so maybe at times you maybe shock because in here we allow persons to speak their minds with out being put down instead maybe give and get some advice to help us think differently as well and for the beeter about things then again some things are ok to say point blank!

Just let me know when you will be arriving here and I would be glad to meeet up with you and catch you up on everything current happening and share many giggles together!

Hope your loving TB as much as we do!

Thanks a lot preciousN...
Yes, I know what you mean.

Sure I'll let you know and it will be in the next grand EB of Tubag Bohol.

O yes, I'm lovin it here in TB, so far so good, especially that I found a couple of friends here that I never would have thought in my life that I will know them and meet in person. It's fun and exciting!

Ops I'd better stop, I'm OT now.

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« Reply #18 on: March 12, 2008, 02:01:27 PM »
I will never forget adtong "Kuratong-Baliling Gang" nga gipangpusil didtos may Tandang Sora kay nang-ikyas daw... nya gi-interview si Estrada ingon siya "They deserve to die" i guess Jo, aron dili na sila maka-sulti kung kinsa ang ilang mga connections nga mga dagkung tae...

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« Reply #19 on: March 12, 2008, 02:06:05 PM »
swakee, there might be a truth to that.. kay sus they're willing to do anything to shut up one's mouth.

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« Reply #20 on: March 12, 2008, 02:08:52 PM »
swakee, there might be a truth to that.. kay sus they're willing to do anything to shut up one's mouth.
Dats ryt Beth, we know how the system works!

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« Reply #21 on: March 12, 2008, 02:13:50 PM »
By Atty. Cristifil "Check" Baluma
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Two years and a half away from the next election for the highest official of our land, the bickering and positioning for the next president is beginning to heat up. No less than two big names in Philippine politics are in the news, former Presidents Joseph Ejercito Estrada and Fidel Valdez Ramos are rumored to be eyeing once again the position they once had, the former having held office for six uninterrupted years, the other by just over two years. Many names have already emerged in the news to be vying for the presidency comes 2010: Senators Mar Roxas, Panfilo Lacson, Loren Legarda, Manuel Vilar and even Richard Gordon. The list continues with presidential appointees Bayani Fernando and Gilbert Teodoro. Not to be outdone is the current Vice-President Noli de Castro, who did not close his doors for the only position above his.

But what caught the most attention of them all for me is the alleged plan of the two titans in Philippine history to make a run for the presidency a second time around. Who can forget former President Fidel Ramos, the man who defied great odds, despite losing in the fight for the standard bearer of his original party, he created his own party with the support of his followers, and won in the 1992 elections over close pursuer, now Senator Miriam Defensor Santiago? Who can also forget former President Joseph “Erap” Estrada, the man who from being a multi-awarded action star, successfully pedalled his way into politics as San Juan Mayor, Senator, Vice-President and finally to the apex, the presidency in 1998?

If the two former presidents really intend to run again for President, both will be facing similar probable legal impediment. This legal impediment is found in Article VII, Section 4 of the 1987 Constitution which states: “ The President and the Vice-President shall be elected by direct vote of the people for a term of six years which shall begin at noon on the thirtieth day of June next following the day of the election and shall end at noon of the same date six years thereafter. The President shall not be eligible for any reelection. No person who has succeeded as President and has served as such for more than four years shall be qualified for election to the same office at any time. No Vice-President shall serve for more than two successive terms. Voluntary renunciation of the office for any length of time shall not be considered as an interruption in the continuity of the service for the full term for which he was elected. xxx”

This constitutional issue alone should be resolved as early as possible, because the two at present continues to have strong followings. In the case of Erap, Metro Manila continues to be his bailwick, for FVR, he still can rely on his generals and men in uniform for support. Understandably, Article VII, Section 4 of the 1987 Constitution was inserted in order to prevent a repeat of what happened in the pre-1987 era. In the case of former President Ramos, his loyal supporters were saying that six years was too short for him as president. In the case of Estrada, his battlecry for running again is perhaps different, as he only seeks to complete his six years term in office, cut short by the 2001 EDSA 2. The constitutional provision cited is very explicit that the President shall not be eligible for any reelection.

While some quarters in the news have argued that the word reelection applies to serving for two successive terms, Checkpoints view is different. Aside from the word reelection, preceding it is the word “any”. What is very clear in the same provision is the scenario that both former presidents Estrada and Ramos can run for Vice-President. In the case of former President Estrada, if his pardon was absolute as he claims, then his civil and political rights are restored. If and when this happens, and any of the two would emerge victorious as Vice-President, by the stroke of luck, if the duly elected and qualified President dies, resigns, is permanent disabled or is removed, then the Vice-President would serve as President to serve the remaining unexpired term. Although former President Estrada was elected Vice-President before, he did not run for reelection in the latter position, making him eligible to run again for Vice-President. If former President Estrada plays his cards right and teams up with a formidable presidential candidate who is willing to sacrifice, who knows what will happen? In the case of former President Ramos, although he may no longer be young, he is still capable of pulling surprises.

While in the U.S. presidential candidates are wooing voters to vote for them, often engaging in debates, here in the Philippines, it is more of political positioning and money. The bell signaling the start of battle for the 2010 presidency has sounded this early in the Philippines and we expect major political shake-ups this year.

In the words of my fellow Filipino-American cadres, "This is a total embarrassment for our country."

A man who was convicted of graft and corruption, and was sentenced to hard time (pardoned by the Arroyo Administration, btw) and now is trying to run for politics, the same office he was ousted from a supposed 'People Power'.

No more men like Estrada.

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« Reply #22 on: March 12, 2008, 06:58:55 PM »
To top the list- as "Repeat Offender" the no. 10th. (The 10 World's Most Corrupt Political Leaders)  :-[

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« Reply #23 on: March 13, 2008, 01:57:50 AM »
I have been taking a pole amongst others here in the real outside world of Tubag and what I have come up with as far as results would amaze you many favor the return of a man who they say and realize who was a straight forward man about things.

Maybe anything looks appetizing after tasting a midget full of bad cholesteral!

Most here in Bohol will say also that 99.9% of Boholanos are not in favor of a widget Midget liar president such as Glo!

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« Reply #24 on: March 13, 2008, 02:18:41 AM »
As to my knowleged Erap will no longer be running for the next presidential election
which is slated in 2010 coz one of the conditions of his released in prison via presidential
pardon was to barred him in running from in any goverment posiiton, However, Erap is free
to travel any part of the country to attend any political assembly, so we need not to
worry the above matter.

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« Reply #25 on: March 13, 2008, 02:27:56 AM »
I can not beleive it other then an American last year being jailed you mean to tell me a Filipino was also put in prison!!!!!

What a shock!            You can do vehicluer man slaughter and not have to do anytime in this country?

I feel that more people such as abussers of the law should be jailed but here in Bohol and Philippines its so easy to get away with murder of any time as so many cases are unsolved as it is.

I hope the people here do not vote in another bleeding president....(Read Anti female presidents).

Im just tired of all the moaning and complaining but yet the people are bought cheap by politicians no wonder.

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Re: Erap Running as President in 2010? What A Shame!
« Reply #26 on: March 13, 2008, 09:49:05 AM »
Its a sad case of hypocrisy, Precious.

I have no patience nor pity for those who sing such a tune.

There is a saying that answers such deeds, "Woe to the man who digs his own grave and jumps in it, but blessings for the man who has been tossed into a grave yet climbs out of it in his own free will."



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Re: Erap Running as President in 2010? What A Shame!
« Reply #27 on: March 22, 2008, 12:30:21 AM »
not again.
wala nalang ta xa gi pardon.hmp


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Re: Erap Running as President in 2010? What A Shame!
« Reply #28 on: March 22, 2008, 05:03:20 AM »
I think GMA just wanted to please the fans of Erap but if he was proven guilty of those crimes, dapat wa sa sya gi pardon.  I think politiko lang gihapon to.   

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Re: Erap Running as President in 2010? What A Shame!
« Reply #29 on: March 22, 2008, 06:17:20 PM »
granted erap for free is a part of the games to survive the present administrations.

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Re: Erap Running as President in 2010? What A Shame!
« Reply #30 on: March 23, 2008, 02:54:04 AM »
granted erap for free is a part of the games to survive the present administrations.

sakto ka pas right John kay politics this time wala nay loyalty sa partido kon dili sa maka pabor lang.

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