Author Topic: Enrile: Time to bury Marcos in Libingan ng mga Bayani (Read 14758 times)

hubag bohol · « **on:** February 16, 2011, 01:42:13 AM »

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Posted at 02/15/2011 8:30 PM | Updated as of 02/15/2011 10:33 PM

MANILA, Philippines - Senate President Juan Ponce Enrile said it is high time that the remains of former President Ferdinand Marcos be buried at the Libingan ng mga Bayani.

In an interview with reporters, Enrile said â€œhe has not been tried of any crime although there are claims about certain behaviors and venalities in his government, but that is to be judged by the people and the courts in a proper case. I think in terms of his entitlement to become a resident of the Libingan ng mga Bayani, it should not be questioned.â€

The issue was raised anew after an Ilocos resident supposedly texted Senator Francis Escudero on the matter.

The texter supposedly told Escudero that if former Armed Forces of the Philippines Chief of Staff Angelo Reyes could be buried there, so too should Marcos.

Reyes, who shot himself last week, had been dragged into allegations of corruption in the military.

Marcosâ€™s body remains in a refrigerated crypt in the family mausoleum in Batac, Ilocos Norte.

Enrile, Marcosâ€™s defense chief, said the dictator had been a veteran of the World War II, and even went through the Death March.

â€œHe got sick in Capas, Tarlac where he was confined. Then he joined the guerilla organization where he fought again. He was a member of the United States Army in Northern Luzon. He became a congressman, Senator of the Republic, Senate President. He became President of the country, and he did well as a President,â€ he said.

Enrile noted that there is no law that would stop the burial of Marcos at the Libingan in Fort Bonifacio.

He said it is the Department of National Defense which should implement the law.

This means that the decision now lies in the hands of President Benigno â€œNoynoyâ€ Aquino, whose family experienced the oppression of the Marcos regime.

Asked if the revival of the topic could be offensive, he said: â€œYou see, that is a separate issue all together. I think it will take a big portion of one's lifetime to heal the wound that created that division.â€

MalacaÃ±ang remains mum on the matter.

In a press conference at the Palace, Presidential Spokesman Edwin Lacierda said: â€œWell, we donâ€™t knowâ€”this is news to us.... We will have to consult with theâ€”I have to talk to the President about it. I have to inform the President about this development. So, let me hold-off any comments on that.â€

http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/nation/02/15/11/enrile-time-bury-marcos-libingan-ng-mga-bayani

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islander · « **Reply #1 on:** February 16, 2011, 02:55:17 AM »

give us a break! what's with elder statesman enrile? is it because he was a robusa to his own boss, marcos?

a dictator and a known plunderer, our hero? then robert mugabe of zimbabwe and baby doc duvalier of haiti must be heroes too. so is indonesia's suharto. okay, they may not be world war II heroes, but weren't marcos's own war medals questioned and laughed off as fakes?

more, is it time for us to brace ourselves because erap and gloria will also be looked upon as heroes soon?

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bol-anon quo nyur! · « **Reply #2 on:** February 16, 2011, 03:12:09 AM »

Okey ra nga ilubong si Marcos sa libingan ng mga Bayani, BASTA kai kauban si Enrile nga buhi!

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Chongki · « **Reply #3 on:** February 16, 2011, 06:53:02 AM »

ilakip pod si tita meldy og lubong

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statesville · « **Reply #4 on:** February 16, 2011, 07:59:02 AM »

Pagka kenkoy baya ni Enrile, pataka man lag ug yawit
unsay nakabayani ni Marcos?......sa pet cemetery na iluyong uy

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hubag bohol · « **Reply #5 on:** February 16, 2011, 08:12:50 AM »

Pagka kenkoy baya ni Enrile, pataka man lag ug yawit
unsay nakabayani ni Marcos?......sa pet cemetery na iluyong uy

Bwahaha! Unya si Enrile kay tuta man? Adto pud?

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hubag bohol · « **Reply #6 on:** February 16, 2011, 08:19:37 AM »

Okey ra nga ilubong si Marcos sa libingan ng mga Bayani, BASTA kai kauban si Enrile nga buhi!

Ilubong nga gatindog unya migimaw ang ulo?

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statesville · « **Reply #7 on:** February 16, 2011, 08:21:46 AM »

Bwahaha! Unya si Enrile kay tuta man? Adto pud?

aw, o tuod ..timing kaayo adto siya pungko sa tapad mag-uwang hangad sa takdol nga buwan..

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hubag bohol · « **Reply #8 on:** February 16, 2011, 08:22:36 AM »

more, is it time for us to brace ourselves because erap and gloria will also be looked upon as heroes soon?

Maybe Erap's and Gloria's own Enriles will, too, allow a quarter of a century to pass...

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hubag bohol · « **Reply #9 on:** February 16, 2011, 08:27:07 AM »

aw, o tuod ..timing kaayo adto siya pungko sa tapad mag-uwang hangad sa takdol nga buwan..

Loyal to the end jud diay, the compleat tuta...

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hubag bohol · « **Reply #10 on:** February 16, 2011, 08:28:32 AM »

ilakip pod si tita meldy og lubong

Di diay ka mahinugon sa imong tita, Bay Chongks?

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hubag bohol · « **Reply #11 on:** February 17, 2011, 07:18:35 PM »

DND distances self from Marcos at Libingan issue
02/17/2011 | 04:52 PM

The Department of National Defense (DND) has distanced itself from the proposed burial of the late President Ferdinand Marcos at the Libingan ng mga Bayani, which remains a thorny issue more than two decades after the former state leaderâ€™s death.

â€œThe DND will just follow the guidance of MalacaÃ±ang," DND spokesman Eduardo Batac said Thursday at a press briefing in Camp Aguinaldo.

Marcos was a former military officer and recipient of the highest military decoration for gallantry and bravery in combat, but many sectors are opposing plans to bury him at the Libingan ng mga Bayani.

â€œWhile there are parties which are advocating for the accommodation of the late President Marcosâ€™ burial in Libingan ng mga Bayani, there are also people who are objecting especially the victims of the Marcos dictatorship," Batac noted.

Batac said all military officers and enlisted personnel are qualified to be buried at the Libingan ng mga Bayani.

Marcos, president from 1965 until he was ousted in 1986, died while on exile in Hawaii in 1989. His remains were brought and preserved at his hometown in Virac, Ilocos Norte.

Among those who are calling for his burial at the Libingan ng mga Bayani are his son Sen. Ferdinand â€œBongbong" Marcos Jr., and Senate President Juan Ponce Enrile, who served as Defense minister during the Marcos regime.

In February 1986, however, Enrile joined forces with then AFP vice chief of staff Lt. Gen. Fidel Ramos in turning against the Marcos administration. The EDSA uprising then resulted in the ouster of Marcos and the assumption to power of then civilian Corazon Aquino.

Meanwhile, Batac announced that Defense Secretary Voltaire Gazmin is planning to develop a regional Libingan ng mga Bayani to accommodate enlisted personnel, especially those who cannot afford burial at private cemeteries.

â€œThe move right now, and this came from the secretary himself, is to develop regional Libingan ng mga Bayani, especially for enlisted personnel who pass away. These people cannot afford, for example, burial at the cemeteries," said Batac. - KBK/RSJ, GMA News

http://www.gmanews.tv/story/213278/dnd-distances-self-from-marcos-at-libingan-issue

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marcokes · « **Reply #12 on:** February 20, 2011, 03:40:32 PM »

fr0m d dicti0nary:
A hero is a pers0n who is admired f0r their c0urgae and outstanding achievements.

I think Marcos qualifies to be buried in d libingan ng mga bayani.

Courage: he was a guirella, as menti0nd n d preceeding p0sts,
A great military man and military leader.

Achievements: he was a presidnt of our country, dle basta.2x
He made so many pr0jects n his term, murag dha gni q nbasahan nga lau r daw k0ntrang marc0s ning mga ubang presidnts, nterms of pr0jects.

On d other hand, diha pd mga binuang c marc0s, hehe,

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #13 on:** February 21, 2011, 12:13:44 PM »

marcokes,

nice point, as much as many of the marcos apologists would want him to be buried there, the general consensus in the philippines still is antagonistic to his internment in said place.

btw, welcome to tubag bohol dot com!

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taga tigbao · « **Reply #14 on:** February 23, 2011, 12:10:08 PM »

Courage: he was a guirella, as menti0nd n d preceeding p0sts,
A great military man and military leader.

This is contested as fake. I have read a book which tells the other way around. He did not really serve during WWII. All were fabricated during his political ascend before becoming the president.

He was even convicted of killing a political enemy in the Ilocos region.

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Raquelproud boholana · « **Reply #15 on:** February 23, 2011, 12:28:32 PM »

This is contested as fake. I have read a book which tells the other way around. He did not really serve during WWII. All were fabricated during his political ascend before becoming the president.

He was even convicted of killing a political enemy in the Ilocos region.

Murag tinuod ni Vince nga ing serve siya as guirella/military during WWII kay naay history sa among isla nga sa gira kono sa mga hapon didto ni sila nanago or gitaguan sila sa murag maoy adunahan nga personahe sa amoa nga naay lumber yard ang apilyedo Davis. Ako sa tong pangutan on ug balik ang historian sa among island heheheh kay very interesting kaayo paminawon nga story. Dugay dugay daw ni si Ferdi Marcos nagtago sa amoang baryo oi unya na shock ra ang mga nakaila niya sa amoa sa dihang na president ni siya. Base on his story murag authentic man gyud to

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taga tigbao · « **Reply #16 on:** February 23, 2011, 12:41:10 PM »

Ahahahaha. Kay ang gipresent man gud ni Marcos Te nga daghan kano sija napatay nga Hapon unja mura ug heroic ba ijahang performance during WWII. Pero murag messenger ra diay to sija.

Mao ni nga book: MARCOS DYNASTY by Sterling Seagrave.

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Raquelproud boholana · « **Reply #17 on:** February 23, 2011, 01:22:30 PM »

Segi Vince basahon unya ni nako puhon.
Akong pangutana nganong ipugos man pud ni siya ug lubong sa Libingan ng mga Bayani ug ngano diay ug adto nalang ni siya ilubong sa ordinaryong menteryo.
Nganong mangita pud ni si Auntie Meldy ug ubang kabanay ug lisod nga tua may sayon. Pasalamat nalang gani kay wala ni siya pusta ug banig ug didto sa dagat ibuntaw ra. Angclahan raman pud aron di molutaw.

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taga tigbao · « **Reply #18 on:** February 23, 2011, 01:38:17 PM »

Segi Vince basahon unya ni nako puhon.
Akong pangutana nganong ipugos man pud ni siya ug lubong sa Libingan ng mga Bayani ug ngano diay ug adto nalang ni siya ilubong sa ordinaryong menteryo.
Nganong mangita pud ni si Auntie Meldy ug ubang kabanay ug lisod nga tua may sayon. Pasalamat nalang gani kay wala ni siya pusta ug banig ug didto sa dagat ibuntaw ra. Angclahan raman pud aron di molutaw.

Ahahahahahaha. Mao Te. Kay gusto nila nga ilhon lagi ni si Marcos Sr. nga bayani konohay. Samok samok lamang ni.

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hubag bohol · « **Reply #19 on:** February 23, 2011, 02:24:10 PM »

Ahahahaha. Kay ang gipresent man gud ni Marcos Te nga daghan kano sija napatay nga Hapon unja mura ug heroic ba ijahang performance during WWII. Pero murag messenger ra diay to sija.

Mao ni nga book: MARCOS DYNASTY by Sterling Seagrave.

Glorified as an intelligence officer...

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #20 on:** February 24, 2011, 01:45:15 PM »

This is contested as fake. I have read a book which tells the other way around. He did not really serve during WWII. All were fabricated during his political ascend before becoming the president.

He was even convicted of killing a political enemy in the Ilocos region.

Ah yes, he was charged for killing Julio Nalundasan after the former defeated Mariano Marcos in a local legislative election.

He (Marcos) was actually given the death sentence, had it not for the Marcoses appealing to the Courta Suprema , which eventually lead to the acquittal of said charges, history would have been totally different...

I will acquiesce to the fact that it was impressive how Marcos graduated Cum Laude from U.P College of Law, despite being incarcerated at the time. He may have been corrupt, but he was , indeed, a brilliant politician. Over 92 of the Republic Acts that he authored are still in use even to this day.

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taga tigbao · « **Reply #21 on:** February 24, 2011, 03:28:21 PM »

Yeah, he was indeed brilliant and wise. But the worngdoings he made during his adminsitration is more than enough to eat all the good traits and praise a person can attiribute to him. Its even more than triple. Hehehehe.

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hubag bohol · « **Reply #22 on:** February 24, 2011, 03:35:11 PM »

Triple is still quite kind...

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taga tigbao · « **Reply #23 on:** February 24, 2011, 03:36:08 PM »

Triple is still quite kind...

Ten times over Bay Hubs?

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hubag bohol · « **Reply #24 on:** February 24, 2011, 03:37:37 PM »

Ten times over Bay Hubs?

He he, tekret na lang, Bay Tigs, kay nia ra ba tay mga amigo diri nga mga loyalista...

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taga tigbao · « **Reply #25 on:** February 24, 2011, 03:52:11 PM »

He he, tekret na lang, Bay Tigs, kay nia ra ba tay mga amigo diri nga mga loyalista...

Hahahaha. Free country bitaw ning Pilipinas. Kung mo disagree ka sa opinion kay nakahibawo ka ug explanation di suplahon ang dili sakto. Hahahaha. Basta para naho, di ko mosugot.

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hubag bohol · « **Reply #26 on:** February 24, 2011, 05:13:44 PM »

Hahahaha. Free country bitaw ning Pilipinas. Kung mo disagree ka sa opinion kay nakahibawo ka ug explanation di suplahon ang dili sakto. Hahahaha. Basta para naho, di ko mosugot.

He he, nakatawa ko kay dihay ni-comment earlier nga mosugot siya basta ikuyog si Enrile nga buhi...

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taga tigbao · « **Reply #27 on:** February 24, 2011, 05:54:53 PM »

He he, nakatawa ko kay dihay ni-comment earlier nga mosugot siya basta ikuyog si Enrile nga buhi...

Hahahaha. Aron complete and escort iuban ang kinakusgan nga asawa!

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bol-anon quo nyur! · « **Reply #28 on:** February 25, 2011, 12:47:41 AM »

He he, nakatawa ko kay dihay ni-comment earlier nga mosugot siya basta ikuyog si Enrile nga buhi...

Hala! morag si BQN laba tong misugot...

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bol-anon quo nyur! · « **Reply #29 on:** February 25, 2011, 07:22:55 AM »

SUGOT NALANG KO BASTA "BAMBOO CANYON" ANG I GUN SALUTE KAY BASIN GANI UNYA UG MAKAHUNA-HUNA SI IMELDA, IMEE UG BONG2X NGA ADTO NA NILA ILUBONG SA JERUSALEM TAPAD SA LUBONG NI KRISTO SUS DLIKADO KAY B...ASIN INIG ABOT SA 3 KA ADLAW MABANHAW LAGI D MARTIAL LAW NA POD.

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hubag bohol · « **Reply #30 on:** February 25, 2011, 10:12:32 AM »

Hala! morag si BQN laba tong misugot...

He he, ikaw diay to, Bay BQN? Makatarunganon jud hinuon tong imong sugyot...

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hubag bohol · « **Reply #31 on:** February 25, 2011, 10:14:00 AM »

SUGOT NALANG KO BASTA "BAMBOO CANYON" ANG I GUN SALUTE KAY BASIN GANI UNYA UG MAKAHUNA-HUNA SI IMELDA, IMEE UG BONG2X NGA ADTO NA NILA ILUBONG SA JERUSALEM TAPAD SA LUBONG NI KRISTO SUS DLIKADO KAY B...ASIN INIG ABOT SA 3 KA ADLAW MABANHAW LAGI D MARTIAL LAW NA POD.

Bwahaha! Opps, makasala man pud ta nimo, Bay BQN. Pero tiaw ba tuod pud kon mabanhaw...

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Way Nada · « **Reply #32 on:** April 30, 2011, 10:07:09 PM »

Murag tinuod ni Vince nga ing serve siya as guirella/military during WWII kay naay history sa among isla nga sa gira kono sa mga hapon didto ni sila nanago or gitaguan sila sa murag maoy adunahan nga personahe sa amoa nga naay lumber yard ang apilyedo Davis. Ako sa tong pangutan on ug balik ang historian sa among island heheheh kay very interesting kaayo paminawon nga story. Dugay dugay daw ni si Ferdi Marcos nagtago sa amoang baryo oi unya na shock ra ang mga nakaila niya sa amoa sa dihang na president ni siya. Base on his story murag authentic man gyud to

Diay akong isulti nimo agi ug palamdag sa imong pagtoo ug duda kabahin sa kaagi ni Marcos. Tinood ang imong sulti nga nagsilbi siya nga gerilya sa ikaduhang gira sa kalibutan. Kanang imong pung nga nagtago tinood pud na... kay si Marcos hing abot sa lungsod sa Tubigon niadtong panahon sa gira ug gidakop siya sa usa ka detachment head sa Tubigon nga ang ngan si Jose Bernaldez. Nagpakita si Marcos ug ID nga usa siya ka "intelligent officer" ug naay misyon niya "to contact" Cor. Wendell Fertig. Para masiguro nga tinood ning iyang pung si Jose"Pepe" Bernaldez mikontak usab ni Lt. Ismael Ingeniero ug si Lt. Ingeniero na ang nagradyo ni Cor. Fertig sa tuyo ni Marcos. Laktud pagkasulti wa na siya moderetso sa Mindanao diin didto ang headquarters ni Cor. Fertig.

Karon kanang imong giingon nga nagtago... tungod kay gahuwat siya sa resulta sa iyang misyon mikuyog siya ni Pepe Bernaldez nga gahimo'g tagoanan nila sa baryo Matabao, Tubigon. Ug magabii adto sila sa bay ni Mario Rama ug adlaw para dili sila makita sa hapon adto sila sa pagatpatan sa Matabao.

Mao pud ni hinungdan nga sa panahon sa proclamation ni Marcos adto gyud himoa niya sa Bohol... ug si Pepe Bernaldez ang iyang kalingaw pangitaon. Ug kini si Mario Rama pagka presidente ni Marcos gi-appoint niya ni nga Chairman sa PCSO. Si Pepe Bernaldez nagpabilin sa Bohol ug naay iyang tuyo ni Marcos dili na ni siya makipag appointment kay wa man siya ilhi sa mga ga-alirong ni Marcos. Kundi mobasa lang siya sa dyaryo ug asang hotel ang speaking engagment ni Marcos ug magpakita lang siya sa iyang nawong samtang naglakaw si Marcos paingon sud sa hotel unya tawgon dayon sija ni Marcos apil sa presidential table.

WN

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Way Nada · « **Reply #33 on:** April 30, 2011, 11:15:46 PM »

give us a break! what's with elder statesman enrile? is it because he was a robusa to his own boss, marcos?

a dictator and a known plunderer, our hero? then robert mugabe of zimbabwe and baby doc duvalier of haiti must be heroes too. so is indonesia's suharto. okay, they may not be world war II heroes, but weren't marcos's own war medals questioned and laughed off as fakes?

more, is it time for us to brace ourselves because erap and gloria will also be looked upon as heroes soon?

I think Enrile knows better than anybody else in government. Which is why Enrile said; â€œhe [Marcos] has not been tried of any crime although there are claims about certain behaviors and venalities in his government, but that is to be judged by the people and the courts in a proper case. I think in terms of his entitlement to become a resident of the Libingan ng mga Bayani, it should not be questioned.â€

He [Enrile] became the trusted lieutenant of Marcos during Martial Law. I believe Marcos was not his political enemy but others who were involved in the power struggle inside the government of Marcos. Enrile was a part of the struggle.

The people as a fence sitters are always controlled by the media and whatever the media wants us to believe we readily devour it hook, line and sinker. But not me... which is why in any political forum my opinion will come out different. I can create my own opinion. The media is not much of an influence to me especially when it comes to the issue with regards to Marcos and Erap.

The issue that "marcos's own war medals questioned and laughed off as fakes"... is as ridiculous and absurdly preposterous as it is contrary to reason. How can it be fake medals when these medals were awarded to Marcos in 1942 and this is in the heat of WW-II. It was the Americans especially Gen. Wainwright who recommended Marcos to receive the congressional medal of honor of the United States.

The issue about "fake" medals was propagated by the late Gov. Bonifacio Gillego; a staunch critic of Marcos and together with the publisher of We-Forum Joe Burgos he printed the issue of Marcos war medals as "fake". This happened during the Martial Law days. First Gillego went to the WW-II archives in Nebraska asking for the records of Marcos but he was not given access to the records... so he invented his own story of the fake medals. The same day his story saw print in the We-Forum of Joe Burgos he flew to the US to escape.

Dili ba matawag nga ga-pinusong ni si Bonifacio Gillego? Gitonto niya ang mga tawo.

WN

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #34 on:** May 01, 2011, 11:37:12 PM »

This is a very sensitive issue and it is impossible (almost) to not step on toes in this issue. Both sides have valid points.

I acquiesce to the fact that Marcos was a corrupt politician, however, there were some good aspects about him. One thing that we all benefit from are the health centers he and Imelda helped create. For example: The Heart Institute of Asia, The Kidney Center, etc.

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Way Nada · « **Reply #35 on:** May 02, 2011, 04:15:18 PM »

This is a very sensitive issue and it is impossible (almost) to not step on toes in this issue. Both sides have valid points.

I acquiesce to the fact that Marcos was a corrupt politician, however, there were some good aspects about him. One thing that we all benefit from are the health centers he and Imelda helped create. For example: The Heart Institute of Asia, The Kidney Center, etc.

This is not a sensitive issue because even a dog is buried in the Libingan. The Libingan is not particularly the intended burial ground for heroes but there are categories who are to be buried there. Marcos has 4 categories to entitle his body's interment at the Libingan. The people are just too emotional of the word "Bayani" attached to Libingan's name. And this is the result of the media's too much demonization of the name of Marcos. Because of the mind control done by the media gullible people tend to believe that Marcos is evil.

The issue attributed to Marcos as a corrupt politician is not new to Philippine political setting. Ever since after the war any president cannot evade himself from the issue of corruption. Look at GMA... she was hailed as like the virgin Mary ascending to heaven when she deposed Erap but look what is going to happen to her now?

One of the changes that Marcos did during the time of Martial Law was the monopoly of our two important cash crop exports... which is sugar and copra. Before Martial Law these products are the source of corruption between the government and the private sector. How did they do it? It's like this... Granex [copra exporter] bought copra from the producers [the common people] and under the noses of corrupt government officials the exporter negotiated the price of copra with an importer in the high seas. Which is why in those days everybody wanted to export and be an exporter because it is easy to smuggle their products.

When he monopolized the exportation of copra and sugar Marcos made it sure that exporters are paying the right amount of taxes. This is the system that makes it easy for the government to look into the management of the export market. In sugar it's only the Nasutra and in the coconut industry the UNICOM. The role of Danding Cojuangco and Benedicto in the monopoly are another issues that we can talk about.

WN

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taga tigbao · « **Reply #36 on:** May 03, 2011, 07:33:10 PM »

Dili ko mosaludar sa mga maajong nabuhat ni Marcos as president kay MAO nay expected of a good politician. Given na na sa usa ka public servant. Ang ijahang sajop is sajop kay he has taken oath as a public servant.

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taga tigbao · « **Reply #37 on:** May 03, 2011, 07:36:23 PM »

Usa ko sa mosugot nga ilubong sa Libingan ng mga Bayani si Marcos.....kung kauban si Enrile ug Imelda. Pang escort ba.

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hubag bohol · « **Reply #38 on:** May 03, 2011, 07:40:06 PM »

Dili ko mosaludar sa mga maajong nabuhat ni Marcos as president kay MAO nay expected of a good politician. Given na na sa usa ka public servant. Ang ijahang sajop is sajop kay he has taken oath as a public servant.

Ang nakaporke pa jud kay ang mga sajop nga gipangbuhat ni Macoy dili ordinaryong mga sajop, kon dili mga sajop nga... hahay, ajaw na lang, kay daghang original thinkers kunohay...

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hubag bohol · « **Reply #39 on:** May 03, 2011, 08:03:29 PM »

Usa ko sa mosugot nga ilubong sa Libingan ng mga Bayani si Marcos.....kung kauban si Enrile ug Imelda. Pang escort ba.

Hmm... Samtang buhi pa, ilubong og apil?

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