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Re: Does the Philippines need another Marcos?
« Reply #80 on: November 25, 2008, 11:27:33 AM »
There are major differences between Marcos and Arroyo.

1. The former abolished the Congress and took absolute control, whereas the latter is merely unpopular within Congress.

2. The former presided over a far more larger military, The AFP was then feared. The latter presides over a much weaker, badly-in-need of modernization AFP.

3. All protesting against Marcos was outlawed. Death and or imprisonment was answer. The latter is protested against on a continual basis. The latter has survived multiple military coups, people power and militant marches.

4. The former limited the press. The latter is attacked on all sides by the press. Free press in the Philippines, as compared to any other nation in ASIA-PACIFIC.

5. The former was an actual dictator. The latter was placed in power by the people, the same people that attack her on a daily basis. :)

Conclusion:
The feelings and moods of the Filipino people are fleeting like the wind. Hence, we need a strong leader, who will stand up to dissidents.

I like Arroyo. I like her hard stance. She may be small, but she does not cower in fear. Small but terrible.



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Re: Does the Philippines need another Marcos?
« Reply #81 on: November 25, 2008, 11:42:09 AM »
Lor we are not talking about the leader's height here. Arroyo was put into power with the help of the masses and the catholic church under Cardinal Sin bcoz of Estradas corrupt government they call it EDSA 2. But the late cardinal's heart was broken when Arroyo admitted in the television  that she felt sorry on the "Hello Garci" scandal. The cardinal passed away bringing into his grave the mistake in putting a corrupt and immoral GMA who rigged the election against FPJ. Out from corruption GMA was put into power but look now my friend the corruption here now is rampant and widespread and the ugly thing is we could not prosecute these people.

By just lying and telling the citizenry - we dont do it. That's it, they are free. The morality of the present government is very bad as a christian country.

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Re: Does the Philippines need another Marcos?
« Reply #82 on: November 25, 2008, 11:55:20 AM »
Lor we are not talking about the leader's height here. Arroyo was put into power with the help of the masses and the catholic church under Cardinal Sin bcoz of Estradas corrupt government they call it EDSA 2. But the late cardinal's heart was broken when Arroyo admitted in the television  that she felt sorry on the "Hello Garci" scandal. The cardinal passed away bringing into his grave the mistake in putting a corrupt and immoral GMA who rigged the election against FPJ. Out from corruption GMA was put into power but look now my friend the corruption here now is rampant and widespread and the ugly thing is we could not prosecute these people.

By just lying and telling the citizenry - we dont do it. That's it, they are free. The morality of the present government is very bad as a christian country.

Interesting perspective, Buwad.

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Re: Does the Philippines need another Marcos?
« Reply #83 on: November 25, 2008, 12:54:38 PM »
Lor we are not talking about the leader's height here. Arroyo was put into power with the help of the masses and the catholic church under Cardinal Sin bcoz of Estradas corrupt government they call it EDSA 2. But the late cardinal's heart was broken when Arroyo admitted in the television  that she felt sorry on the "Hello Garci" scandal. The cardinal passed away bringing into his grave the mistake in putting a corrupt and immoral GMA who rigged the election against FPJ. Out from corruption GMA was put into power but look now my friend the corruption here now is rampant and widespread and the ugly thing is we could not prosecute these people.

By just lying and telling the citizenry - we dont do it. That's it, they are free. The morality of the present government is very bad as a christian country.


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Re: Does the Philippines need another Marcos?
« Reply #84 on: November 25, 2008, 01:03:35 PM »
were really in a pitty situation here from jojocs fertilizer scam, zte, euro generals bigayan sa mga governors. grabee lalo nat sa tv minsan makita mo si GMA na nag communion pa with an ashen face. nag paawa effect! pwera gaba!

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Re: Does the Philippines need another Marcos?
« Reply #85 on: November 25, 2008, 01:16:40 PM »
it's part of the game, wad. get used to it.. lol..
GMA is presumed innocent until proven otherwise..
until june 30, 2010, learn to live with GMA as your president..
she's not staying there forever anyway..


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Re: Does the Philippines need another Marcos?
« Reply #86 on: November 25, 2008, 01:22:08 PM »
lampas na ang pitsa calls! baka 2010. hehehe! agwanta ta sano!

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Re: Does the Philippines need another Marcos?
« Reply #87 on: November 25, 2008, 01:54:49 PM »
made the necessary correction na buwad... tsk tsk.. ty

"ang mag-antos, masantos" man kuno buwad..

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Re: Does the Philippines need another Marcos?
« Reply #88 on: November 25, 2008, 03:23:04 PM »
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Re: Does the Philippines need another Marcos?
« Reply #89 on: November 25, 2008, 03:38:33 PM »
unya ang mopuli ni gma dili kaha mas mangtas pa?

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Re: Does the Philippines need another Marcos?
« Reply #90 on: November 25, 2008, 03:48:33 PM »
naa na na sa kamot sa mga tawo pagdecider kung kinsa ang ila ipuli ni gma sir lindy.. kung ganahan sila tarung ug maayo nga lider, then mupili sila ug tarung ug maayo nga lider.. kung magpadala sila sa hulga sa mga local leaders ug sa sinag sa kwarta, then its gonna be another 6 years of dreaming..

ang problema ini: do we have enough choice given the current roster of national leaders who have declared or are perceived to be running for president..

NOT MUCH.. (that's an exagerration. actually, murag wala)

but let us not be too idealistic/utopic.. lets settle for the lesser evil this time.. bahalag hinay-hinay, basta kanunay.. muabot ang panahon nga sakto na jud tag mga lider..

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Re: Does the Philippines need another Marcos?
« Reply #91 on: November 25, 2008, 03:53:51 PM »
mao gyud laum ayaw salig nata aning kalakiha diay.

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Re: Does the Philippines need another Marcos?
« Reply #92 on: November 25, 2008, 04:12:09 PM »
pwede butangan ug comma imung comment sa taas sir? di ko kasabot da.. sorry

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Re: Does the Philippines need another Marcos?
« Reply #93 on: November 25, 2008, 04:19:05 PM »
ang buot nako ipasabot Dong nga maglaum lang gihapon ta nga moabot ang panahon nga adunay mamahimong lider sa pinalangga tang nasod nga tinud-anay nga mosilbi sa katawhan. apan dili lang magsalig.

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Re: Does the Philippines need another Marcos?
« Reply #94 on: November 25, 2008, 04:30:32 PM »
dili lang ta magsalig.. we need to act.. (yataps, unsay akong buhaton, tabang) (magsugod kos among dajung)

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Re: Does the Philippines need another Marcos?
« Reply #95 on: November 25, 2008, 04:32:23 PM »
murag hanap mana nga pag laum sir lindz. pero ug mo ujon ka ni Jesus is Lord leader - eddie villanueva, kuan kono ni sija maoy moises sa pilipinas. hahahhahahahha!

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Re: Does the Philippines need another Marcos?
« Reply #96 on: November 25, 2008, 04:36:02 PM »

kana maoy akong gustong madungog. WE NEED ACTION! then sugdi Dong.

dili lang ta magsalig.. we need to act.. (yataps, unsay akong buhaton, tabang) (magsugod kos among dajung)

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Re: Does the Philippines need another Marcos?
« Reply #97 on: November 25, 2008, 04:47:44 PM »
nagsugod na ko sir lindy.. na koy gipangsumbong sa ombudsman, mga opisyales nga halang ug batikolon.. aw, gahapun jud, wa nas pwesto ang usa.. ang usa nakalusot.. ako pa tong gukdon.. hehehe

buwad: naa nay doctorate man siguro or masters degree si eddie villanueva in economics, sa UP pa na ha.. he is a good man, and a brilliant one at that.. di lang katoliko.. lahi man tan-aw mga katoliko sa mga born again preachers gud.. murag mga cholocoy..hehehe lol

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Re: Does the Philippines need another Marcos?
« Reply #98 on: November 25, 2008, 04:50:13 PM »
corrupt, mapahimudsanon, oportunista ahong tan-aw ning tawhana bay calls. nga mingon nga sija konoy messiah sa pagbangon sa pilipinas! hehehehe!

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Re: Does the Philippines need another Marcos?
« Reply #99 on: November 25, 2008, 04:56:10 PM »
mao ba? aw, irespeto tika ana bay.. lahi lahi jud tag opinion..
wa ko kabalo nga niingun diay na sijag sijay messiah sa pilipinas???
kung niingun sija ana, na, dili na sya corrupt, mapahimudsanon or oportunista. bu**** na na bay.. lol

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Re: Does the Philippines need another Marcos?
« Reply #100 on: November 28, 2008, 10:20:12 AM »
miabot na pod ning "mesiyas" ani.. didto ma nis pikas thread...gatabok-tabok oroy...lol

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Re: Does the Philippines need another Marcos?
« Reply #101 on: December 23, 2008, 03:48:13 PM »
matud pa nila. he had too much heaven in his mind

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Re: Does the Philippines need another Marcos?
« Reply #102 on: December 24, 2008, 09:06:51 PM »
miabot na pod ning "mesiyas" ani.. didto ma nis pikas thread...gatabok-tabok oroy...lol

Mao nay giingon sa mga tagawog nga bohol-ohol.

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Re: Does the Philippines need another Marcos?
« Reply #103 on: December 24, 2008, 09:15:42 PM »
Odd in that I find some of Marcos' tactics effective. His military policies were one of the best this country has ever seen. His military tactics not only crushed the MNLF in the war front, barraging most of them into submission. Leaving only remnants. Most of the Maoists NPA were routed, only making a presence after Marcos' deposition and following weak presidencies that did not uphold the same militaristic charisma as that of President Marcos.

Marcos was a vehement defender of Philippine Territoriality. Even so much as to consider the reconquest of Sabah, Malaysia.

Sometimes, just sometimes, a President needs to have a hard hand. Though I did not live to see Marcos in his prime, I cannot help but hold respect for his charisma and his efficacy in some aspects. An apologist, so to say.

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« Reply #104 on: December 24, 2008, 09:22:08 PM »
In addendum,

It is a flawed tactic to blame corruption onto President Marcos. Widespread corruption did not sprout from the foot that Marcos trodded, on the contrary, wide-spread corruption was already established in Manila decades even before Marcos came to power.

The country's politicians were already practicing vote-buying even before the years of Quezon and Roxas. And violent regionalism and political instability was made manifest years before Marcos took power in the presence of political gangs and thugs that forced individuals to vote, induced vote-buying as well as assassinations. Regionalism en et excellsis, so to say.

When Marcos took power, he did the unthinkable. He outlawed, by Presidential Decree, the presence of political gangs and thuggery. How did he do this? He increased the size of the Philippine Armed Forces and the role of the Constabulary. Federal Mandate took precedent. And Law and Order was made known.



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Re: Does the Philippines need another Marcos?
« Reply #105 on: December 24, 2008, 09:27:02 PM »
The senators and politicians who blame Marcos for corruption, are themselves guilty of their own verdict. Many of these senators in Manila served in Marcos' years. Many of such senators and congressmen who denounced Marcos during the People's Power Epoch were, hypocritically, the ones that collaborated with the henchmen of Marcos in his weaker term.

Marcos' own flaw was Time. When he aged, he was susceptible to corruption by his own cabinet and the very congressmen and senators who were hailed as the 'Voice of the People.'



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« Reply #106 on: February 09, 2009, 11:53:01 PM »
we hate corruption just as much we hate Marcos' regime.
God forbid, may we never see his "shadow" again.


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« Reply #107 on: February 10, 2009, 06:43:29 PM »
Odd in that I find some of Marcos' tactics effective. His military policies were one of the best this country has ever seen. His military tactics not only crushed the MNLF in the war front, barraging most of them into submission. Leaving only remnants. Most of the Maoists NPA were routed, only making a presence after Marcos' deposition and following weak presidencies that did not uphold the same militaristic charisma as that of President Marcos.

Marcos was a vehement defender of Philippine Territoriality. Even so much as to consider the reconquest of Sabah, Malaysia.

Sometimes, just sometimes, a President needs to have a hard hand. Though I did not live to see Marcos in his prime, I cannot help but hold respect for his charisma and his efficacy in some aspects. An apologist, so to say.

i beg to disagree with some of the above quoted observations of dong enzo.

Foremost, it was at the time of Marcos that NPAs and CPP flourished because of his wanton disregard of human rights. the marcos era was the prime of student activism because of his policies that violates that very foundation of our persons and of our nation.

if my memory is still serves me right, the Huks, the NPAs predecessor, were already crushed (surrendered, i think, is more politically correct) at the time of President Quirino by then Secretary Ramon Magsaysay's intervention in the peace process.  It was Magsaysay's popularity among the masses thal led the Huks to leave the mountains.

Secondly, Marcos' misplaced sense of nationalism cost so many lives including that of the massacre of the men he trained to be sent to Sabbah.  I am not espousing the idea that only diplomatic missions could solve our Sabbah claims, but then, Marcos' policy was just totally wrong.  Had Marcos reflected much of his stance on Sabbah, the massacre could have been avoided. It was so haphazardly and negligently planned that its flaws were screaming wild in our history.

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Re: Does the Philippines need another Marcos?
« Reply #108 on: February 12, 2009, 05:36:00 PM »
Buyag man sab ka bay Calle! Kahibawo pa man lagi ka sa mga panghitabo kaniadto sa panahon ni Luis Taruc (patay na).

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Re: Does the Philippines Need Another Marcos?
« Reply #109 on: February 13, 2009, 05:51:25 AM »
Really, its hard to be a leader.

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« Reply #110 on: February 13, 2009, 06:10:05 AM »
Buyag man sab ka bay Calle! Kahibawo pa man lagi ka sa mga panghitabo kaniadto sa panahon ni Luis Taruc (patay na).

mas maguwang pa tingali ni si calle nimo, lay. lol

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« Reply #111 on: February 13, 2009, 08:18:52 AM »
Buyag man sab ka bay Calle! Kahibawo pa man lagi ka sa mga panghitabo kaniadto sa panahon ni Luis Taruc (patay na).
mas maguwang pa tingali ni si calle nimo, lay. lol

guwang na ko oi. growing old is mandatory but feeling old, i guess, is optional. LOL

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« Reply #112 on: February 13, 2009, 08:26:15 AM »
guwang na ko oi. growing old is mandatory but feeling old, i guess, is optional. LOL

niguwa na ang kalibre ni, calle. 45? 38? automatic? 357? old but walastic! lol.

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« Reply #113 on: February 13, 2009, 08:48:52 AM »
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« Reply #114 on: February 13, 2009, 12:46:14 PM »
It is said, "history repeats itself," gikan sa HUKs, NPA, MILF and ABUsayaf

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Re: Does the Philippines Need Another Marcos?
« Reply #115 on: February 13, 2009, 12:59:05 PM »
history doesn't repeat itself.

what happens today and in the future may have a semblance of the past but it is not history repeating itself. i already pointed this out in this forum.

history is history. past is past. let's learn from them, and let's move on.

we cannot blame history for what is happening today. blame it to ourselves.

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Re: Does the Philippines Need Another Marcos?
« Reply #116 on: February 13, 2009, 01:00:10 PM »
Artificial Intelligence is nothing in comparison to Natural Stupidity.

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Re: Does the Philippines Need Another Marcos?
« Reply #117 on: February 13, 2009, 01:01:32 PM »
tawa man ka bay? palag?

aw, o, mura ikaw ako nalecturan ana sa posting sa taas unya imu ko gikasab-an.

hahahahahaha

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Re: Does the Philippines Need Another Marcos?
« Reply #118 on: February 13, 2009, 01:04:27 PM »
tawa man ka bay? palag?

aw, o, mura ikaw ako nalecturan ana sa posting sa taas unya imu ko gikasab-an.

hahahahahaha

aper bay hahaha

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Re: Does the Philippines Need Another Marcos?
« Reply #119 on: February 13, 2009, 01:11:10 PM »
appear!!! LOL

allign pa!!!

(masuko ra ba tos mike basta daghan exclamation points)
(guilty ko mike pero ajaw baja ko i-banned diri)

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