Author Topic: Does the Philippines Need Another Marcos? (Read 18645 times)

Lorenzo · « **on:** November 04, 2008, 01:53:10 PM »

Do you think that the Philippines, in the present circumstance, is in need of another Marcosian dictator?

Provide your reasoning and your defense.

Engage~

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hofelina · « **Reply #1 on:** November 04, 2008, 03:44:35 PM »

This is a very provoking question Ondoy Bran, of course we don´t need another devil. What we need is a figure comparable to Lee Kuan Yew of Singapore who governed the country to economic prosperity with his iron hand and discipline. This country is a melting pot, speaking in different languages is worth emulating. We need leaders with dignity and moral values.

ps
People pls don´t forget that 5 billion US dollars was not accounted, this was a part of the money the government of Japan gave us for the Japan reparation pay ( Marcos regime). This could have given us an excellent financial resources for infrastructures and other economic developments.

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buwadsanga · « **Reply #2 on:** November 04, 2008, 04:24:21 PM »

i agree with hofe.
what we need here now in the midst of immorality, corruption deception and lies is a - MESIAH!

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slackware · « **Reply #3 on:** November 04, 2008, 11:30:33 PM »

we need another marcos but not another emilda and some old cronies.

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swakee · « **Reply #4 on:** November 05, 2008, 12:32:55 AM »

Hell NO Marcosss!!!!

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #5 on:** November 05, 2008, 05:27:59 AM »

The Philippines needs a strong man. I am not saying that he needs to be identical to Marcos, but definiately has to have the good qualities of Marcos; but definitely one that will not cower in fear as a result of people power movements, will not back down to the threats and jihadist sentiments of islamofascist muslims. One that will lead by example and not just by words and empty promises.

This leader, this individual must be a strong man, one that will not be afraid to strengthen the power of the military and reverse the edicts made by Corazon Aquino in weakening the military.

This man must not only be a man of promise, but a man of great oratory skills. To be able to rally the people under a common cause.

One that resembles the character and the ability of the then-young President Marcos.

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TOPAC · « **Reply #6 on:** November 05, 2008, 08:29:19 AM »

we need someone who has the political will of lee kuan yew, the charisma of mahatma gandhi and the vision of mandela... lito osmena was a big loss in national politics.. he may not be as good as the three, but alas, he's much much better than any of our incumbent public officials..

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A Layman · « **Reply #7 on:** November 05, 2008, 08:33:15 AM »

It is not surprising why we Filipinos are dreaming of a mesiah (term from buwadsanga) to assume the stewardship of our country for a better future. Who's not? Amidst the seeming hopelessness we feel nowadays! I agree Marcos was a stong leader if not of Imelda and the cronies. We enjoyed better days during his reign than now. He started shaping up needed infrastructures, national electrification, widespread agricultural programs, strengthening of manpower resources, and wholesome international relationship. He figured out to be strong, but he was rendered efiminate and inutile by the majic wand of his imedific wife who caught him in bed with a famous hollywood star. Kaya sabi ni Imelda sa kanya, "My wish is my command!"

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #8 on:** November 05, 2008, 03:08:09 PM »

Marcos was a great political animal. He is hailed by many American Political Science College Professors as being a 'Perfect Politician'.

Under his administration, he nailed the coffin lid on the MILF and the MNLF as a major threat. In his administration, we saw widepsread growth of agricultural projects, in his administration, there was a silence of the once-pronounced widepsread regional warlordry from province to province.

It was during the Marcosian administration, that the Philippine Armed Forces was at its Zenith.

The Philippine Army swelled at over 250,000 in its ranks; the Philippine Navy and Philippine Air Force was the best of the best in the region and even China dared not to provoke the Philippine Air Force (which then boasted the F-8 and the F-5 Tiger IIs) during the Vietnam era.

Marcos' only enemy was time. And Age. In his later years, he became weak and subjected to the eventual abuses of his political cronies.

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TOPAC · « **Reply #9 on:** November 05, 2008, 03:36:43 PM »

enzo, marcos had another enemy.. imelda..

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A Layman · « **Reply #10 on:** November 05, 2008, 03:44:35 PM »

Calle... you are right but just let us give Enzo the benefit of the doubt. I guess he was still not around during the Marcosian era. Let us see how Enzo interprets history drawn out from many sources. Could it be twisted come the next generations?

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LanggamTamsi2 · « **Reply #11 on:** November 05, 2008, 03:47:45 PM »

my mouth is sealed, got nothing to say.

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A Layman · « **Reply #12 on:** November 05, 2008, 03:54:29 PM »

Hoi Langgam mora man ka ug gihustage. Sige ayaw ug undang apil ka gihapon. Ma mis ka jod namo. Gusto mo kantahan una kita? Hmmmmm...musik maestro!!!

Inday kururutsi, may Langgam Tamsi
Unsay balhibo, asul ug berde
Ajaw hingkalimti, ang barrio dinhi
Daghang dalaga, daghang dalaga
Ikaw ray gwapa.

sige na Please!!!

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TOPAC · « **Reply #13 on:** November 05, 2008, 04:13:23 PM »

ok layman. sorry enzo. kinsa kaha ato pwede mabutang diha... daghan unta siguro pwede pero way winnability..

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A Layman · « **Reply #14 on:** November 05, 2008, 04:33:25 PM »

Huwaton sa nato ug kinsa ang molansar. Then take the odd man out. Here's my projection: sugdan ko na ha?

1. Manny Villar-

Pro: A successful real estate tycon, wealthy and knowlegeable in diversified economics. Shaped up image from rags to reaches, master in business game planning ang queing, a seemingly attractive candidate that could infuse some buffer in our economic policies to prevent our local economy from the effects of an impending international economic melt down.

Con: Good in stragizing govenment infrastructure programs beneficial to his line of business. He is the brain of constructing major thoroughfares to dicongest the traffic in Metro Manila, Daang Hari, C-6, Manila East road, to name a few. These roads traverse his vast real estate properties and open best opputunities to develop his business. All these foregoing projects are funded by the peoples money. Unsay imong ikasulti niya? Oppurtunist, di ba?

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buwadsanga · « **Reply #15 on:** November 05, 2008, 04:41:28 PM »

gawas pa ana, duna koy finance friend nga nag trabajo ni villar. ingon sija nga daghang bangko mihilak ni villar kay nag declare syag bankrupt sa usa ka kompanya nya! pero ang ubang kompanya daghag kwarta! ijang gibalhin ang kwarta

TOSO - mao niy saktong description sa psyche ni villar

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A Layman · « **Reply #16 on:** November 05, 2008, 05:02:30 PM »

Manny was so familiar to me when I worked out for the approval by the DPWH of the proposed plan and design of San Pedro Exit in SLEX. We met in several meetings all at his expense. He was then a congressman that time. Bungga jod! Because of his utmost interest in making such a big project realized, he committed to extend some share of the funding because realizing this project means a lot for his business, a plus marketing factor for his mid-end subdivision located right after the proposed exit. That was in the late nineties. Until now that commitment is nowhere found, only to find out that that particular project is already included in the modernization project of SLEX. Another oppurtunist in the making!

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hofelina · « **Reply #17 on:** November 05, 2008, 06:19:29 PM »

to Calle,

your definition of a future leader in our country is quite utopic, if ever there is one, he/she wonÂ´t live long. Filipinos are belligerent. Tipokon kana dayon!

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slackware · « **Reply #18 on:** November 05, 2008, 10:30:21 PM »

This comment was chosen by Yahoo as the Best Answer why Bayani Fernando is the next President of the Philippines

There are so many presidentiables today: Noli de Castro, Bayani Fernando, Manny Villar, Mar Roxas, Ping Lacson, Loren Legarda, Dick Gordon, Erap Estrada. But who is really the best next president? Is Bayani Fernando the better alternative?

We say yes....please allow us to explain...

1. BF is a good man. He was a sacristan as a young boy and was an Outstanding Boy Scout. He is the only boy in the family and is pampered with enough love so, he will return this love to our people.

2. BF is well bred and nationalistic. He can sing. His name, and name of his sisters (Mayumi, Ligaya) are all native. He named his only child Tala.

3. BF is pro poor. He gave homes to 11, 000 squatters. Recovered the sidewalks for poor people to pass. He exact discipline to rich and poor alike, so that the poor will equalize with the rich. Fix the house of poor people in Metro Guwapo. Provided low cost hostel to poor provincianos who are in Manila in the Port Area.

4. BF is not corrupt. Before he joined politics, he is already super rich with his companies constructing tall buildings in Makati. One lot owner who sold her lot to MMDA for a water pump anti - flood project in Tondo, Grace Dyjamco, said that what BF only requested from her is for her to take good care of the squatters inside their lot - pay them - before the deal was on.

5. BF Gets things Done. Remember before he was the MMDA chairman - traffic was worse, garbage are everywhere..now its all fixed. As a president,he can fix our poverty problem, corruption problem, electoral problem,...he has a way of doing things and its working.You can see results at once.

6. BF is Brave and Heroic. As a young businessman during EDSA Revolution, he sent his construction equipments to EDSA to block the pro-Marcos tanks and protect the people. Colorum buses are protected by Generals..he impounded them, never afraid of the bullets of the general..BF is a type of leader who can die for his people.

7. BF is not social climber. Although he is a super rich person, and married to Mayor Marides Fernando from an old rich family (daughter of industrialist Meneleo Carlos), he loves to mingle with hardworking professionals and his jokes are authentic Marikina masa jokes with original Marikina accent. He maintains his clean and honest way of living. He does not crave for the company of the rich and the powerful.

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A Layman · « **Reply #19 on:** November 05, 2008, 11:22:54 PM »

Slacks, just correct me if I'm wrong. Those comments are part of his metro paguapo. What about the negative side of his. Ang condition ni Bayani, ug dili gani kono siya makadaog sa Celebrity duets, di siya molansar pagka presidente. Sa pagkanta lang magulo na ang mga u-turns niya kaya hindi pa rin niya masolve ang traffic. Traffic pa lang yon. Lalo na siguro ug ang problema traficking na!

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #20 on:** November 06, 2008, 02:43:26 AM »

Calle... you are right but just let us give Enzo the benefit of the doubt. I guess he was still not around during the Marcosian era. Let us see how Enzo interprets history drawn out from many sources. Could it be twisted come the next generations?

Layman, and Calle,

You two have your points, but there have been papers and thesis projects written on Marcos that portray his duality; his ability to strengthen the nation, yet at the same time to exact emergency powers if necessary.

Call me a traditionalist, but this country will not be ruled under a weak presidency.

This country is marred by regionalist tendencies and disputes since the inception of the First Republic. Was not our very own Andres Bonificio silenced by Aguinaldo? Power, in the end, is what decides the course of the nation.

Idealism, excessive idealism will never work; even Rizal's own utopic idea of a Pan-Filipiniana did not come true. Had Rizal been rusurrected from the grave to see the current state of affairs of his own beloved Filipinas, it would have been enough to send him back to the grave.

Marcos, was what we needed during that time period. Though, I will admit that his policies were not perfect or shy from mistakes, it was necessary for the given epoch.

Whoever comes to the office of President in the Republic of the Philippines, must have the following tenents covered in order to succeed:

1. Backing of the United States
2. Financial changes and loans to continue infrastructural projects
3. Find a way to mitigate the corruption in government.

Though, I am quite leery in this problem being cured in the near distant future. This problem has been a paralytic problem for the Filipinos since the inception of even the 1st Republic.

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #21 on:** November 06, 2008, 03:05:31 AM »

The power and the responsibility of the President of the Republic does not come at a small price. The burdens, entitled to the position, are paramount and will correlate the individual to the complaints of the people, the politicians, and to military brass.

As the President, one has to sacrifice some ideals and goods in order to acquire and to meet the common good; on a broad basis.

Governing is not free from mistakes; and the decisions one makes as a Leader is not easy, that is why we have elections to elect individuals who will make decisions For Us, the people.

For us to compare Marcos with the standards of the present is in itself out of place. Marcos was a leader during the time of Iron Rule, during the time of the Cold War. Where dictatorships was common, for the good of the free-world. During the time of Marcos, most of the world was ruled by dictators; the Middle East, neighbouring South East Asian countries and South and Central America.

It was the current political phenomenon at the time.

The concept of stability and peace through order. As compared to the alternative, Red Communism, which, according to our own standards and the standards of the United States (then a major strategic ally; as well as today), was borderline blasphemy.

That is why Marcos was good and served his purpose for that particular phase and epoch of Philippine History. Was he free from mistakes? Of course not. But one thing is clear, the country was stable during his presidency. There was no concept of Islamofascism that rocked the entire country or threats of separatists as today.

Why? Because the Philippine Armed Forces, under the Marcosian Administration, was the largest in South East Asia. Any threats to his power and threats to the stability of the entire Republic was crushed outright.

People have to understand that during the time of Marcos, the Philippine Armed Forces was world-renowned. Marcos years was the Golden Years of the AFP.

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TOPAC · « **Reply #22 on:** November 06, 2008, 07:59:09 AM »

hofelina: yeah, kinda utopic.. it feels good to dream sometimes.. libre bitaw.. hehehe basin diay magka dilang anghel.. hahay

enzo: i know your an american mao imu approach when it comes to philippine policy is very pro-america. the US has its own selfish agenda everytime it extends its hand in the philippines. in the 1997 asian financial crisis, for example, US policy at that time was to let go of bleeding institutions.. pero karun, tan-awa unsa ila gihimu sa wall street? rescue dinhi, bailout didto.. a $700 billion dollar bailout package.. waah.. kung gipautang lang unta pud mi sa WB/IMF sa 1997..

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A Layman · « **Reply #23 on:** November 06, 2008, 08:37:41 AM »

Lorenzo is right in his perception of what a leader should be. He must possess strong leadership ability under a given time and situation. Meaning to say the helm of his stewardship is relative to the mode of the people, the economic situation, and the international relationship among nations. These three basic factors are what a national leader should be keen about, understand fully the macro and the micro sides of them, formulate action plans under varying scenarios and degree of priorities, and execute policies accordingly. Dictatorship becomes practical if and when, there is an impending divisiveness among his constituents. Thus, an iron hand is envisioned to establish unity among the people. However rude it is, the situation renders it necessary.

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TOPAC · « **Reply #24 on:** November 06, 2008, 10:03:06 AM »

hhmmmm other than the above observation i wrote, agree ko ni enzo..
allergic lang ko sa american philippine policy..hehehe

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A Layman · « **Reply #25 on:** November 06, 2008, 10:15:04 AM »

Parehas ta Calle. Hindi ako agree lahat how the Americans maneuvers underdeveloped countries for their self interest. They know when to generate war between small nations to commercialize and despose their almost obsolete arsenals in their junks yards. They offer and waggle financial aides, including military, just to ensure allegiance of these nations to America. Pero of course may kapalit yang lahat.

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slackware · « **Reply #26 on:** November 07, 2008, 01:11:28 AM »

O.T.
Nganong dakog mag utang ang america sa world bank?

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TOPAC · « **Reply #27 on:** November 07, 2008, 09:17:58 AM »

its costly to run an american style government.. its hard to go into details pero mao nay bottom point..

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buwadsanga · « **Reply #28 on:** November 07, 2008, 10:00:00 AM »

gumikan sa gyera siguro mao nga kapubrihon na ang america gumikan ni bush!

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TOPAC · « **Reply #29 on:** November 07, 2008, 10:11:37 AM »

buwad, i think america doesn't feel poor because of its debt.. it feels richer even more because of the "confidence" creditors have on the american economy.. daghan utang, daghan kwarta, daghang power, daghang magpautang.. libutlibut ra na sila..

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buwadsanga · « **Reply #30 on:** November 07, 2008, 10:12:41 AM »

mao banay economy of turning turning? hehehe!

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TOPAC · « **Reply #31 on:** November 07, 2008, 10:15:05 AM »

murag bag-o na buwad da.. wa ko kadungog ana diri.. biyobiyo siguro buwad.. business cycle.. credit cycle..

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buwadsanga · « **Reply #32 on:** November 07, 2008, 10:16:47 AM »

credit cycle for credit crunch man tingale na?

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TOPAC · « **Reply #33 on:** November 07, 2008, 10:39:29 AM »

mura siguro tingali..

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A Layman · « **Reply #34 on:** November 12, 2008, 03:08:56 PM »

Mao nay giingon nila nga ang ekonomiya sa America 'give and take'. Diri sa ato a laing systema sa ekonomiya ang gigamit. Puro 'give me' na lang wa nay 'give you'.

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #35 on:** November 12, 2008, 03:14:53 PM »

A Layman, that is unfortunate, truly.

Improvement, Improvement.

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TOPAC · « **Reply #36 on:** November 12, 2008, 03:20:04 PM »

nya ang politics GIvMIK puros..

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #37 on:** November 12, 2008, 03:33:04 PM »

All politicians promise something. In all times, in all places.

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A Layman · « **Reply #38 on:** November 12, 2008, 03:33:43 PM »

Enzo, Dong...gusto natong tanan improvement. Pero ang nangyari ang improvement toa ra nila nga ana a sa poder.

Kahibawo ka ba kon ngano nga ang Amerika ana a ang mga grasya?

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TOPAC · « **Reply #39 on:** November 12, 2008, 03:36:12 PM »

enzo, diri "promises are made to be broken"

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