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Corruption in RP? Blame the Church
« on: December 18, 2008, 10:16:53 PM »
By Delon Porcalla

 The Catholic Church can blame the government for massive corruption in the country, but this in itself is a testament on how miserably it has failed to shepherd its flock, a senior lawmaker pointed out yesterday.

Isabela Rep. Rodolfo “Rodito” Albano III said perceptions of the Philippines being the most corrupt in Asia and second most corrupt in the world only show that priests failed in their mission to lead people in the right direction.

“We were the only Catholic country in Asia for 400 years. Please ask the bishops why we are the most corrupt nation. That should answer everything,” he said. About 85 percent of the 85 million Filipinos are Catholics.

As far as Manila Rep. Bienvenido Abante is concerned, corruption is not just limited to the government bureaucracy and some parts of the business sector because even religious entities such as the church and several other groups have the same problems.

The Baptist bishop-turned-lawmaker urged Catholic Bishops’ Conference of the Philippines (CBCP) president Angel Lagdameo, also the Archbishop of Jaro, Iloilo, to look in his own backyard first before pointing an accusing finger at anyone.

“That should be his (Lagdameo’s) first concern (address corruption and human right abuses in the Church). Anyway, the people he accuses of corruption and human rights abuses are also members of his church,” Abante pointed out.

“Every nation has its own human rights violations, our country has the history of it since time immemorial. Even the US is not spared from that. What we must do is to be vigilant and check the abuses or corruption both in the government and business sectors,” he said.

Abante is pastor and bishop of the Bible Believers League for Morality and Democracy.

Northern Samar Rep. Paul Daza, for his part, urged everyone to be “constructive rather than destructive in our efforts to improve our society.”

“We need to work together for economic progress to improve the plight of our poor brothers and sisters,” Daza said.

“The Philippines can shine during these times of global crisis by having more political stability and good governance to help our domestic businesses and encourage foreign companies and investors to come to the Philippines,” he said.

Bayan Muna Rep. Satur Ocampo said the public should support Lagdameo’s position by making President Arroyo accountable on the celebration of the 60th anniversary of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.

“Archbishop Lagdameo has aptly stated the sense of shame and embarrassment that the Arroyo government must bear and which the people must denounce and call GMA to account for,” said the deputy minority leader, former spokesman for the left-wing National Democratic Front.

“Human rights is definitely an area where the country could use improvement, not only in the area of civil and political rights but also in the realm of economic and social rights,” Aurora Rep. Juan Edgardo Angara said.



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Re: Corruption in RP? Blame the Church
« Reply #1 on: December 18, 2008, 10:48:13 PM »
Magsinumbagay na lang mo diha. Ngano man diay Katoliko ra bay corrupt? Wa bay Protestanteng corrupt? Jama jama ra man mo diha! Pwe!

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« Reply #2 on: December 18, 2008, 11:13:52 PM »
korek ka Mr. Alyman daghan pa na silang corrupt di lang makit an kay
gapahipi hipi lang.

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Re: Corruption in RP? Blame the Church
« Reply #3 on: December 18, 2008, 11:16:28 PM »
korek!


A'lie, nagbanaw na na imong luwa diha!

hahahhahahha

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« Reply #4 on: December 22, 2008, 02:22:25 AM »
Magsinumbagay na lang mo diha. Ngano man diay Katoliko ra bay corrupt? Wa bay Protestanteng corrupt? Jama jama ra man mo diha! Pwe!

aprob kaayo ko ana layman...hapit lang ko maigo sa pag-pwe nimo hehehe....peace, joke lang.

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« Reply #5 on: December 24, 2008, 09:37:03 PM »
'Sensya ka na lang Glace. Sorry, wa pa ra ba ko mag sipilyo.

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« Reply #6 on: December 24, 2008, 09:49:00 PM »
Politicians blaming the church for government's own inadequacy?

Pathetic!

Accept and take responsibility where it is due.

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« Reply #7 on: January 07, 2009, 08:48:49 AM »
'Sensya ka na lang Glace. Sorry, wa pa ra ba ko mag sipilyo.

ok ra, lay. nakalihay man sab ko...

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« Reply #8 on: January 07, 2009, 08:52:15 AM »
Maayo gani kay nilihay ka...Mora ra bag dunay nilugpot nga hukaw!!!

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Re: Corruption in RP? Blame the Church
« Reply #9 on: January 09, 2009, 02:01:02 PM »
We have the best constitutions, the best laws because we have the best legislators before,  but not now.  the only thing that does not work well are the realities of our present time:

A) There is a separate interpretation of our law for the rich, the famous, the infuential and powerful;
B) There is a separate interpretation of our law for the poor, the unknown,, and the helpless.

Alisin ang lumang piring sa babaeng simbolo ng Batas. Baka, there is still hope to reform our society.  Let the ax falls to one who violates the law, whoever he is.

To recall President Ramon Magsaysay, before his death he said this famous words:

" I WILL SEND MY OWN FATHER TO JAIL IF HE BREAKS THE LAW."





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Re: Corruption in RP? Blame the Church
« Reply #10 on: January 09, 2009, 02:14:59 PM »
The church is ever preaching for good values based on Christian ethics and practices. These values are relatively accepted by everyone, believer or non-believers. The church for now has done their share of desiminating the gospels helpful in the value formation of an individual, though there was nowhere found that they tried to impose their teachings for an individual to believe in. Relatively, the church teachings depends on the person who have it, either one has to use them for good, or the other one uses them as guise to hook others for some evil motives as most of the politicians now are doing. (Churchmen are not exempted from this). Then, why blame the church for the existing corrupt practices of the government? Too bad for the modern day Pharisees!

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« Reply #11 on: January 10, 2009, 02:16:08 PM »
Well said, Layman. Well Said!

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« Reply #12 on: January 12, 2009, 04:14:05 PM »
Corruption is a manifestation of a decaying moral value. Ug kana nga moral degradation makit-an nato bisan asa nga suok sa kalibutan. ug kay ang Pinoy, di man jud magpa-uwahi lagi, mao na nga kita maoy pinaka-.

We tend to point an accusing finger at each other forgetting that in the process, three fingers point in our direction. It's not only the state, it's not only the church. we all are. Mas klaro lang ang corruption diha sa gobyerno kay mao man na ang kanunay ma-highlight sa atong mga television, broadsheets, radio, etc. labi na kay we claim to be part of the institution. That is, in the spirit of "pagpakabana", we cry "foul" to these wrong doings. But aren't we part of the corrupt system.

If the mission of changing the system is a far cry, then let's do our share in our own little ways. "...it is better to light just one little candle... than curse the dark..."

Let's make today a brand new day. Let's start by knowing where we are....

ikaw empleyado - ang bondpaper ba nga imo gipagamit sa imong anak alang sa ilang project gikan ba sa supply sa imong opisina?

ikaw office driver or office chief - gigamit ba nimo ang service vehicle sa opisina paghatud-kuha nila sa imo mga anak sa school?

ikaw pulis - gigamit ba nimo ang imong position o chapa aron makakuka lag libre nga pasahe sa barko, bus o jeep?

ikaw garbage collector - wa ba nimo pabori pagkuha ang basura sa balay nga kanunay mohatag nimo og "tip"?

ikaw caminero (kamanero, etc. ) - motungha ba ka sa imong pwesto sa insaktong oras bisan walay foreman nga nagbantay?

ikaw negosyante - wa ba nimo tibhongi og tubig ang suka o tuba nga imong baligya aron madaghan?

ikaw panday - dretso-dretso ba ang imong pagpamanday, ug di na ka maglangan pagpasumangil baid-baid sa gabas ug tigib?

Ikaw tricycle driver, mihatag ba ka sa sukli nga singko sentavos sa imong pasahero?

ikaw botante - nidawat ba ka sa pila ka pesos nga bugti sa imong boto... sa way paglantaw unsa ang bugti sa umaabot?

ug kanang computer nga imong gigamit diha, di ba sa opisina man na, unja oras pa jud sa tingtrabaho nga gibayran ta?

and if you answer "yes" to any one of these questions... either we are already corrupt, or are prone to corruption.... so we need to re-align our lives a little...

Start na ta...

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« Reply #13 on: January 12, 2009, 04:25:39 PM »
Here's the blame game again! COME ON!

g***, it's so easy to blame the church!

But why not blame ourselves for doing nothing? For being cynical? For taking the can't-attitude? COME ON!

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« Reply #14 on: January 12, 2009, 09:19:42 PM »
Corruption is a manifestation of a decaying moral value. Ug kana nga moral degradation makit-an nato bisan asa nga suok sa kalibutan. ug kay ang Pinoy, di man jud magpa-uwahi lagi, mao na nga kita maoy pinaka-.

We tend to point an accusing finger at each other forgetting that in the process, three fingers point in our direction. It's not only the state, it's not only the church. we all are. Mas klaro lang ang corruption diha sa gobyerno kay mao man na ang kanunay ma-highlight sa atong mga television, broadsheets, radio, etc. labi na kay we claim to be part of the institution. That is, in the spirit of "pagpakabana", we cry "foul" to these wrong doings. But aren't we part of the corrupt system.

If the mission of changing the system is a far cry, then let's do our share in our own little ways. "...it is better to light just one little candle... than curse the dark..."

Let's make today a brand new day. Let's start by knowing where we are....

ikaw empleyado - ang bondpaper ba nga imo gipagamit sa imong anak alang sa ilang project gikan ba sa supply sa imong opisina?

ikaw office driver or office chief - gigamit ba nimo ang service vehicle sa opisina paghatud-kuha nila sa imo mga anak sa school?

ikaw pulis - gigamit ba nimo ang imong position o chapa aron makakuka lag libre nga pasahe sa barko, bus o jeep?

ikaw garbage collector - wa ba nimo pabori pagkuha ang basura sa balay nga kanunay mohatag nimo og "tip"?

ikaw caminero (kamanero, etc. ) - motungha ba ka sa imong pwesto sa insaktong oras bisan walay foreman nga nagbantay?

ikaw negosyante - wa ba nimo tibhongi og tubig ang suka o tuba nga imong baligya aron madaghan?

ikaw panday - dretso-dretso ba ang imong pagpamanday, ug di na ka maglangan pagpasumangil baid-baid sa gabas ug tigib?

Ikaw tricycle driver, mihatag ba ka sa sukli nga singko sentavos sa imong pasahero?

ikaw botante - nidawat ba ka sa pila ka pesos nga bugti sa imong boto... sa way paglantaw unsa ang bugti sa umaabot?

ug kanang computer nga imong gigamit diha, di ba sa opisina man na, unja oras pa jud sa tingtrabaho nga gibayran ta?

and if you answer "yes" to any one of these questions... either we are already corrupt, or are prone to corruption.... so we need to re-align our lives a little...

Start na ta...

maayong pamalandongan ni tamislat.

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« Reply #15 on: January 13, 2009, 08:45:41 AM »
ug kanang computer nga imong gigamit diha, di ba sa opisina man na, unja oras pa jud sa tingtrabaho nga gibayran ta?

Start na ta...

patay ko ini da. sige, muundang na ko sa tb kay wa man ko computer sa amo! LOL

bitaw! everyday, mag overstay ko sa office until 630 pm nga unta 430 ra mi taman. wa ko magclaim ug overtime. wa sad ko meal allowance ha.

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« Reply #16 on: January 13, 2009, 09:03:16 AM »
hahahha offsetting diay ni calle ba?  naay debit ug credit.   ;D

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« Reply #17 on: January 13, 2009, 12:35:50 PM »
The easiest thing in the world to do is to blame corruption on those institutions perceived to be primarily responsible for the morals of a society, namely, the churches and the schools. This attitude exaggerates the role of priests and teachers as determinants of the everyday conduct of individuals in the modern world. Why not blame the family instead, where one’s basic values are first learned? Or the mass media, which today command an ever-growing share of people’s time? Or, the leaders of government for failing to set an example of honorable conduct?

“We were the only Catholic country in Asia for 400 years. Please ask the bishops why we are the most corrupt nation. That should answer everything,” Rep. Rodolfo Albano III of Isabela province said in a glib retort to Archbishop Angel Lagdameo’s recent lament over the Philippines’ shameful reputation as the most corrupt nation in Asia.

The truth of the matter is that blaming the churches explains nothing. All over the modern world, the influence of churches has become more restricted. To the extent that they offer a sense of community, they may continue to be filled with church-goers. But, almost everywhere, churches have found themselves relinquishing their comprehensive hold on the lives of their members.

This is more than just a crisis of the churches. It signifies the universal decline of a generalized moral code that used to bind society together. Traditional morality has long taken a backseat to modern law. The voice of conscience can now hardly be heard above the counsel of legal technicians. Thus, nowadays it hardly matters anymore that something may be immoral; all that is important is that it can be shown to be not illegal.

This reality is a natural consequence of the growing differentiation of institutions in modern society. The boundaries between law and religion, between politics and the economy, and indeed between the public and the private, are constantly being negotiated in the nation’s basic law. This process is far from being smooth however. In societies like the Philippines, the transition to modernity has been particularly troubled. Our modern institutions have failed to operate properly because of the persistence of pre-modern values nurtured by gross social disparities. In the meantime, the old brakes on conduct are fading away faster than the new institutions could take hold in a rapidly changing society. The result of this is a kind of “pay-for-play” ethos that privileges the role of money and political power in the running of society.

Obviously, corruption is not a unique affliction of our society. Just as no moral system can prevent sinfulness, so also no legal system can totally stamp out criminality. And so it should come as no surprise that one of the most brazen instances of corruption involving a government official has recently erupted in the most modern society in the world—the United States of America. This is the case of Illinois Gov. Rod Blagojevich, who has been accused of, among other things, trying to sell to the highest bidder the US Senate seat recently vacated by President-elect Barack Obama.

The activities of Blagojevich, a Democrat, have been monitored by government investigators for the last five years. Using authorized wiretaps and listening devices, agents pieced together conversations that painted a picture of this corrupt official’s unethical practice. The Washington Post reports: “As agents sat rapt at their listening posts ... the governor said he would use three criteria in filling Obama’s seat: ‘Our legal situation, our personal situation, my political situation. This decision, like every other one, needs to be based upon that. Legal. Personal. Political.’”

This is a fascinating quote. It sums up in exactly three words—legal, personal, political—the principal coordinates of a modern public official’s circumstances. The legal tells him what he can and cannot do within the limits of the law. The personal tells him what he needs to do. The political tells him what connections and resources he can deploy or leverage in order to get what he wants. Strikingly absent is any reference to what is right or wrong, or what his conscience commands him to do.

Blagojevich may be crude and brazen, and, in the words of US Attorney Patrick Fitzgerald, he may indeed have “taken us to a truly new low,” but the Blagojevich attitude toward public office is not exceptional. Many think it is the norm. Jack Shafer, who writes for the online Slate magazine, believes so: “If Illinois Gov. Rod Blagojevich is immediately guilty of anything, it’s of making overt what other politicians make covert, and doing so while the wiretaps roll.” In short, what makes him different from the others is that he got caught.

This is not as cynical as it may sound—especially not in the context of Illinois politics. The governor that Blagojevich succeeded is himself in jail serving a six-year sentence for corruption. Therefore what is truly interesting about America is not that corruption has persisted, but that the corrupt do end up in jail.

For, if one looks at the matter more closely, it will be clear to anyone who cares to see that the cure for corruption in the modern world is not to be found in hortatory sermons, moral crusades, or congressional exposés, but in the dogged pursuit of evidence and the honest-to-goodness prosecution of crooks. Obviously, this is only possible if the justice system is not itself compromised.



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« Reply #18 on: January 13, 2009, 12:40:50 PM »
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« Reply #19 on: January 13, 2009, 12:55:05 PM »
hahahha offsetting diay ni calle ba?  naay debit ug credit.   ;D

tsk tsk tsk cpa diay ka grazie? debit credit man jud. na pud ko nahibaw-an, A=L+C! LOL

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« Reply #20 on: January 13, 2009, 02:09:00 PM »
Huy kataas sa basahon,

Pero ang akong nahinumdoman kanang corruption nag sugod na sa panahon nilang Ibarra sa El Felibusterismo? Mao bitaw to nga nahimong rebelde si Uncle Jose kay agi di na nija ma take ang deceit sa mga friars! Di ba nag sugod man na adtong panahona?

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« Reply #21 on: January 13, 2009, 02:17:33 PM »
kinawat na naho mdb from a broadsheet. ako man to giapil ia name, nawa man pag paste na nako. anyway, the above article was written by Mr. Randy David, one of my favorite columnist in the Philippine Daily Inquirer along with Justice Isagani Cruz, Chief Justice Panganiban and Conrado de Quiros. Na pa diay si Michael Tan.

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« Reply #22 on: January 13, 2009, 02:36:03 PM »
I also like Mr. Randy David, calle.  Cool kaayo sya ba?  If mag report, you can't see in him na i sensationalize ang news. 

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« Reply #23 on: January 13, 2009, 05:34:25 PM »
sociologist man gud grazie mao kabalo mulugar.

mura syag soft spoken paminawn nga dili. hehe

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« Reply #24 on: January 14, 2009, 04:55:34 PM »
Miss Dabs, ang corruption sugod pa nila ni Adan ug Eba. Gi corrupt si Adan!

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« Reply #25 on: January 22, 2009, 12:29:42 AM »
corruption, pasanginlan ang simbahan (kono0
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« Reply #26 on: January 22, 2009, 08:20:58 AM »
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« Reply #27 on: January 23, 2009, 01:00:45 AM »
asuss.. let's blame ourselves. it's like instead of reporting it to DFA or proper authorities, nganu mubayad naman lang ta sa mga under the table systema sa airport? hmm...

mas dali man gud. really. you only whine on corruption kung ikaw biktima..

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« Reply #28 on: January 23, 2009, 03:48:39 AM »
mas sayon man lagi ning naay itunong sa tudlo, matud nila pa. mao na naay pasumanginlan.

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« Reply #29 on: January 23, 2009, 02:05:26 PM »
I think it is best to examine ourselves first, our methodologies, our own personal practices, our own faults BEFORE we blame and point the finger on others.

It's always easier to blame than to accept fault.

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« Reply #30 on: January 23, 2009, 02:28:08 PM »
mao jud. ingun bitaw sila, everytime we point a finger to someone, remember nga tulo usab ka tudlo ang nagpoint sa imuha.

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« Reply #31 on: January 23, 2009, 03:33:41 PM »
amen! as the saying goes " no body is perfect except si perfecto " we should always examine ourself first before giving comments to other's, basin naay buling sa atung nawung unya manaway ta sa uban, ulaw sad

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« Reply #32 on: January 23, 2009, 11:41:51 PM »
:) The Spirit of the Holy Spirit is in this thread. :)

Peace to all Filipinos, and To His One Church. And remember, not even the gates of Hell can touch the Church.

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« Reply #33 on: January 24, 2009, 02:15:08 AM »
amen! as the saying goes " no body is perfect except si perfecto " we should always examine ourself first before giving comments to other's, basin naay buling sa atung nawung unya manaway ta sa uban, ulaw sad

perfecto ra ba ngalan akong daddy..lol

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« Reply #34 on: January 26, 2009, 03:40:19 PM »
social ha, daddy-daddy man diay ning ungoya. LOL

haja haja nis glacier kay perfect man ug dad.

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« Reply #35 on: January 26, 2009, 04:44:59 PM »
they say practice makes perfect....
but no body is perect.....
so why practice...... hehehe
               
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« Reply #36 on: January 26, 2009, 06:35:37 PM »
Corruption is rampant in government offices. It is a practice by which a person uses his office or authority in pursuit of selfish interest to benefit his ownself and his nearest family. Where is the church there to blame?

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« Reply #37 on: January 27, 2009, 10:39:17 AM »
Corruption is rampant in government offices. It is a practice by which a person uses his office or authority in pursuit of selfish interest to benefit his ownself and his nearest family. Where is the church there to blame?

in our office, kunti lang.

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« Reply #38 on: January 27, 2009, 11:49:48 AM »
Kunti...kuntener Cal ang uban...LOL

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« Reply #39 on: January 27, 2009, 12:18:51 PM »
they say practice makes perfect....
but no body is perect.....
so why practice...... hehehe
               
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