Author Topic: Computerized Election mas grabe ka hinay compare sa manual voting (Read 6830 times)

PR0CESS0R · « **on:** May 10, 2010, 04:10:30 PM »

Sus! pwerting sayoha nako nibutar 6:30 A.M. gihatagan ko ug priority number 2, kabalo mo unsa orasa ko naka butar? 8:45 A.M.

Mas maayo pa siguro wala nalang gi computerized, wala jud hinungdan ilang pag change to computerized. Mas maayo pa manual voting sauna kay dili ra kaabot ug 3 minutes, human na dayon kag butar.

Mga maestra sad nga gi assign, walay alamag unsay buhaton. Wala ma orient ug tarong hangtod nga daghan kaayo mga elector nga "INVALID" voting. Pwerting daghana nagyawyaw kay maayo pa daw wala nalang usba ang sauna nga pamaagi.

Share mo unsay na experienced ninyo during 2010 Computerized Election.

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Happy · « **Reply #1 on:** May 10, 2010, 05:12:27 PM »

Na, imbes madali, nadugay diay noon.

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alycxs · « **Reply #2 on:** May 10, 2010, 05:29:47 PM »

there's a first for everything...unfortunately this is the first. hahay mengox...pangape nalang oi, nahuman naman.

wonder unsay buhat sa akong banggiitan nga manghod....

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jig37504 · « **Reply #3 on:** May 10, 2010, 05:53:50 PM »

thanks for starting this. i was thinking of this since it is a "first". i admit not reading through news articles about this, too lazy

so yes, i am curious as to how it goes. i suspect many would be complaining. i've read the national news and there are already glitches and angry moments from the voters.

on the other hand, what was the main reason for automating this election? as for us here in the UK, we are still doing it manually. i voted through postal ballot for convenience. election here is very quick as voting ends 10 pm last May 6 and the earliest result was 1 am May 7. results are sent right away to BBC which amazes me with all the high tech gadgets used.

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kalamay de bohol · « **Reply #4 on:** May 10, 2010, 06:00:43 PM »

Sus! pwerting sayoha nako nibutar 6:30 A.M. gihatagan ko ug priority number 2, kabalo mo unsa orasa ko naka butar? 8:45 A.M.

Mas maayo pa siguro wala nalang gi computerized, wala jud hinungdan ilang pag change to computerized. Mas maayo pa manual voting sauna kay dili ra kaabot ug 3 minutes, human na dayon kag butar.

Mga maestra sad nga gi assign, walay alamag unsay buhaton. Wala ma orient ug tarong hangtod nga daghan kaayo mga elector nga "INVALID" voting. Pwerting daghana nagyawyaw kay maayo pa daw wala nalang usba ang sauna nga pamaagi.

Share mo unsay na experienced ninyo during 2010 Computerized Election.

ang counting ra jud intawn ang madali ug kahuman pero ang proceso sa pagbotar, kinadugayan...maayo pa ka bay kay 8:45, ako 6:45 midung sa amu precinct pero 10 o'clock na ko nakabotar...hehehe, pero cge lang mada ra ug smyl, first tym pa man pod...ok ra man nang gi automated ang election pero we need more time para mapolished ang pagboto...wa lang jud to matarong ug plano tanan kay kulang sa panahon...

ang ako lng gika guolan is kadtong mga tiguwang nga perteng hulat....luoy tan awon...

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jorgeanna · « **Reply #5 on:** May 10, 2010, 06:06:38 PM »

comments from from friends sa written sa FB accounts nila:

the waiting was more than 2 hours, the process was less than 5 minutes. good that the PCOS machine was kind!

I was so frustrated today when I found out that my name was not in the list of voters in the designated precinct. I went home feeling down as I was not able to exercise my right to vote.

waited in line from 7:45 a.m. until 1:30 p.m. and finished the voting process in less than 5 minutes. A small sacrifice for a better nation.

It's 9:20 am and my number is 290. Number called is 65. I think I will have a long day at the voting precint...

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jig37504 · « **Reply #6 on:** May 10, 2010, 06:06:39 PM »

sakto jud kalamay, the planning was a bit dismal i gather from news. on the other, ang importante nakabotar ka. peaceful ba sa injuha? asa diay ka mibutar?

i just hope lessons will be learnt after this election kung mao na man jud kaha niy buhaton kada election na.

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kalamay de bohol · « **Reply #7 on:** May 10, 2010, 06:06:56 PM »

thanks for starting this. i was thinking of this since it is a "first". i admit not reading through news articles about this, too lazy

so yes, i am curious as to how it goes. i suspect many would be complaining. i've read the national news and there are already glitches and angry moments from the voters.

on the other hand, what was the main reason for automating this election? as for us here in the UK, we are still doing it manually. i voted through postal ballot for convenience. election here is very quick as voting ends 10 pm last May 6 and the earliest result was 1 am May 7. results are sent right away to BBC which amazes me with all the high tech gadgets used.

gi automate atong election bay jig aron mapaspas ang counting...para nako there is nothing wrong with the automation, mas nindot jud unta ang bag ong paagi kung naa pa jud tah saktong panahon para iplano unsaun pag manage sa maong paagi...all we need is a little more time, nasayo ra man gud ug paimplement ang automation nya wa bitaw matarong ug plano...

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jig37504 · « **Reply #8 on:** May 10, 2010, 06:15:12 PM »

gi automate atong election bay jig aron mapaspas ang counting...para nako there is nothing wrong with the automation, mas nindot jud unta ang bag ong paagi kung naa pa jud tah saktong panahon para iplano unsaun pag manage sa maong paagi...all we need is a little more time, nasayo ra man gud ug paimplement ang automation nya wa bitaw matarong ug plano...

fair enough. sakto diay tuod, ang dakong complaint sa atong previous elections mao ang kadugay sa resulta. pero sa planning, morag bagsak man ang grado sa comelec (o sige, barely passing na lang) kay wa hunahunaa pag-ayo ang proseso unya morag they leave til late to test it. resulta? kaguliyang. pero sige na lang, ang ako lang vigilant lang mo diha sa mga opportunistic unya nga mga tawo. as i said earlier, lessons should be learnt and implemented in the next elections.

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kalamay de bohol · « **Reply #9 on:** May 10, 2010, 06:15:45 PM »

comments from from friends sa written sa FB accounts nila:

the waiting was more than 2 hours, the process was less than 5 minutes. good that the PCOS machine was kind!

I was so frustrated today when I found out that my name was not in the list of voters in the designated precinct. I went home feeling down as I was not able to exercise my right to vote.

waited in line from 7:45 a.m. until 1:30 p.m. and finished the voting process in less than 5 minutes. A small sacrifice for a better nation.

It's 9:20 am and my number is 290. Number called is 65. I think I will have a long day at the voting precint...

those people who waited long hours just to cast their votes are the true Pilipinos, sacrificing their time and efforts for the good of our nation, pero kadtong mga wala mobotar kay gihaguan ug pila2x...mao to'y mga tawng way pakialam sa atong nasod...

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jorgeanna · « **Reply #10 on:** May 10, 2010, 06:17:54 PM »

those people who waited long hours just to cast their votes are the true Pilipinos, sacrificing their time and efforts for the good of our nation, pero kadtong mga wala mobotar kay gihaguan ug pila2x...mao to'y mga tawng way pakialam sa atong nasod...

sa walay bakak, usa nako sa mu-walk out tungod kay pila ka hours ka magtindog og huwat sa turn nmo.. i need to have patience kay wala ko ana hehehe

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kalamay de bohol · « **Reply #11 on:** May 10, 2010, 06:21:35 PM »

fair enough. sakto diay tuod, ang dakong complaint sa atong previous elections mao ang kadugay sa resulta. pero sa planning, morag bagsak man ang grado sa comelec (o sige, barely passing na lang) kay wa hunahunaa pag-ayo ang proseso unya morag they leave til late to test it. resulta? kaguliyang. pero sige na lang, ang ako lang vigilant lang mo diha sa mga opportunistic unya nga mga tawo. as i said earlier, lessons should be learnt and implemented in the next elections.

sa atong nagkadakong population, we can't rely forever on manual voting...sakto ka bay jig, let's take it a lesson na lang and improve it on the next election day...ang importante lang is nakita na jud nato unsa kamahal sa mga bol anon ang atong lalawigan kay nisakripisyo gyud sila ug pila para lang makabotar...

let's look at the bright side na lang... for my dear boholano's, ok lang nang maghulat ta ug pila ka hours kung ang baylo pod is pila ka tuig nga kalambuan sa bohol atong matagamtaman...

Padayon Bol anon sa atong kalambuan...hehehe

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fdaray · « **Reply #12 on:** May 10, 2010, 06:53:49 PM »

I entered my precinct 9:30 and get a priority number. At 10:20, I entered again and cast my vote. Finally, I get out from the precinct at 10:25. It takes 5 minutes in voting .In our precinct, I observed that the BEI members were systematic in the way they managed the First Automated Election. It takes time for some voters to shade especially older folks with poor eye sight. This is one of the cause of slow turn out.

Hoping we can improve better next time.

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jig37504 · « **Reply #13 on:** May 10, 2010, 07:05:34 PM »

I entered my precinct 9:30 and get a priority number. At 10:20, I entered again and cast my vote. Finally, I get out from the precinct at 10:25. It takes 5 minutes in voting .In our precinct, I observed that the BEI members were systematic in the way they managed the First Automated Election. It takes time for some voters to shade especially older folks with poor eye sight. This is one of the cause of slow turn out.

Hoping we can improve better next time.

kudos sir fdaray. morag maayo pagka-himo diay diha sa inyo ang eleksyon.

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PR0CESS0R · « **Reply #14 on:** May 10, 2010, 08:35:38 PM »

Ni suggest bitaw jud ko sa mga facilitator ganina kay gi prioritized and mga senior citizen nya maoy makalangan ug maayo sa voting kay dugay man tawn lagi maka shade nya kurog na tawn ang kamot.

Mao akong gi ingnan nga mas maayo e separate ug booth/chair aron bisan unsa orasa sila mahuman dili malangan ang uban. Almost 2 hours gud ko naghulat sa mga senior citizen kay daghan sad kaayo problema sa ilang pag shade labi na mo lapas or mahugaw ang papel e-reject sa machine. Halos mga senior citizen nga akong nasundan "INVALID". Wala man jud tawn nila (facilitator) tabangi aron madali ug kahuman. Nagpanakla tawn ang mga tiguwang kay wala ka butar sila.

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jig37504 · « **Reply #15 on:** May 10, 2010, 09:28:04 PM »

processor, wa diay ni sunda sa mga BEI http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/breakingnews/nation/view/20100510-269205/BEIs-reminded-on-priority-to-disabled-elderly-pregnant-voters

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PR0CESS0R · « **Reply #16 on:** May 10, 2010, 09:55:06 PM »

Mao jud na ang dakong pangutana...

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glacier_71 · « **Reply #17 on:** May 10, 2010, 11:42:01 PM »

Generally peaceful man diay ang eleksyon. Maayo.

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kan-ogong · « **Reply #18 on:** May 11, 2010, 12:00:05 AM »

mga SANO unsa na balita diha sa atua. sa gobernador ba. asa naman si kalamay ha wala pa man mag apil apil dere.

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jig37504 · « **Reply #19 on:** May 11, 2010, 12:04:35 AM »

mga SANO unsa na balita diha sa atua. sa gobernador ba. asa naman si kalamay ha wala pa man mag apil apil dere.

sa gma news tv eleksyon 2010 website, chatto is ahead. my candidate montano is currently third with a respectable no. of votes.

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kalamay de bohol · « **Reply #20 on:** May 11, 2010, 12:08:10 AM »

mga SANO unsa na balita diha sa atua. sa gobernador ba. asa naman si kalamay ha wala pa man mag apil apil dere.

leading si chatto bay...busy pa ko research kung kinsa leading mao dugay ko ngpost...pero leading Chatto as of now katulo ra montano...

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kan-ogong · « **Reply #21 on:** May 11, 2010, 12:10:33 AM »

salamat mga Sano OK ra Chatto basta di lang si Herrera

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boholtruth · « **Reply #22 on:** May 11, 2010, 12:14:50 AM »

noh...mas dali man jud cya, kay mas dali man jud na2 mahibal an ug kinsa ang makadaug kay electronics gani, 2morow mabal an na gani n2 ang result sa national kung kinsa ang mudaog unlike sauna nga maabutan pa ug pila ka semana usa pa mahibal an...na man joy advantages og disadvantages...dle naka mag mano mano ug ha2d sa balota kay automatically cya cya ma4rwrd sa comelec sa provincial ug sa national mao nay naka advantage pero ang dis advantages lang niya dugay ta nahuman ug botar, patience lang gud pod........

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boholtruth · « **Reply #23 on:** May 11, 2010, 12:15:17 AM »

noh...mas dali man jud cya, kay mas dali man jud na2 mahibal an ug kinsa ang makadaug kay electronics gani, 2morow mabal an na gani n2 ang result sa national kung kinsa ang mudaog unlike sauna nga maabutan pa ug pila ka semana usa pa mahibal an...na man joy advantages og disadvantages...dle naka mag mano mano ug ha2d sa balota kay automatically cya cya ma4rwrd sa comelec sa provincial ug sa national mao nay naka advantage pero ang dis advantages lang niya dugay ta nahuman ug botar, patience lang gud pod........

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chicogon · « **Reply #24 on:** May 11, 2010, 03:57:26 AM »

There's nothing new. Ingon ana naman sa una pa. Ni grabe lang samot siguro.

Tinuod computerized na ang voting, but that doesn't change the fact nga langan-langanon gehapon ang mga volunteers (I question the word volunteers kay sa tinuod "pugos" mani esp. sa mga titsers) nga nag bantay sa mga presinto.

I can't tell if it's lack of proper training, o basin puros lang mga sigurista or wala bay trust kay puro man lagi wa-is ning mga Pinoy. Or basin nag protect lang sila sa daghang abuso... hilabi na kay bisan ug election day na, di gehapon moundang og kinamangay sa ato.

They should have enacted a law prohibiting "kinamangay, pinalitay, hinolgaay" on Election Day. Leave people/voters alone on Election Day!!! But no we don't have such a law (correct me if I'm wrong). O basin naa pero wala ma implement (Pinoy style).

Lastly, dapat ila sweldohan o tagaan honorarium mga titsers o kadtong mga gepugos ug butang sa mga Electoral precincts kay di baya lalim ilang panahon gegahin away from home or family. Naa bay stipend? Just wondering...

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Raquelproud boholana · « **Reply #25 on:** May 11, 2010, 05:24:50 AM »

Firts time pa man gud ni maong hinay. I'm sure gikulbaan pud intawon ang mga senior citizen ani kay liman high tech na mao gakurog intawon ang uban nag shade.

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Mulligan · « **Reply #26 on:** May 11, 2010, 05:43:31 AM »

In every new system implementation, there is this so called birth pains experience. People tend to resist to change and acceptn new ideas and some like to live with the old paradigm. There is no such thing as absolute success of an every (IT) implementation but only a reasonable solution. The automation went generally fair except on the external processes that should have been ironed-out and should have been done with end-to-end testing weeks before the actual go-live. The grouping of precincts into clusters caused the bottleneck of the new voting process.

It's generally fair and I'm sure in the next election, areas that need improvement are already identified.

Kudos !!!

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Mulligan · « **Reply #27 on:** May 11, 2010, 05:47:49 AM »

Dagko ngisi ang mga titser Pader kay diri sa amo tag Ps4,500 man ila nadawat gahapon.

Unya lipay pud sila kay wala na mag buntag ug ehap. By 9 naka transmit na sa resulta sa manila.

...
Lastly, dapat ila sweldohan o tagaan honorarium mga titsers o kadtong mga gepugos ug butang sa mga Electoral precincts kay di baya lalim ilang panahon gegahin away from home or family. Naa bay stipend? Just wondering...

...

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chicogon · « **Reply #28 on:** May 11, 2010, 06:04:42 AM »

Dagko ngisi ang mga titser Pader kay diri sa amo tag Ps4,500 man ila nadawat gahapon.

Unya lipay pud sila kay wala na mag buntag ug ehap. By 9 naka transmit na sa resulta sa manila.

Kana maoy sakto!!! Thanks for the info...

Unya nganong ingon man sila dugay o langan ang pag botar? Kaayo ba ana remit/transmit na ang resulta sa Manila on the same day...

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chicogon · « **Reply #29 on:** May 11, 2010, 06:10:52 AM »

In every new system implementation, there is this so called birth pains experience. People tend to resist to change and acceptn new ideas and some like to live with the old paradigm. There is no such thing as absolute success of an every (IT) implementation but only a reasonable solution. The automation went generally fair except on the external processes that should have been ironed-out and should have been done with end-to-end testing weeks before the actual go-live. The grouping of precincts into clusters caused the bottleneck of the new voting process.

It's generally fair and I'm sure in the next election, areas that need improvement are already identified.

Kudos !!!

I like that perspective... maka am-am pod adtong mga wala kaayo mahiluna, like some of my nieces nga ga muna-munag bagotbot sa ilang respective Facebook hahahaha. But I like what my other niece said in her twit: "I have high hopes for the Philippines. I will support whoever wins." That's the attitude!!!

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kalamay de bohol · « **Reply #30 on:** May 11, 2010, 06:46:05 AM »

Firts time pa man gud ni maong hinay. I'm sure gikulbaan pud intawon ang mga senior citizen ani kay liman high tech na mao gakurog intawon ang uban nag shade.

mao jud...

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alycxs · « **Reply #31 on:** May 11, 2010, 07:40:36 AM »

"I have high hopes for the Philippines. I will support whoever wins." That's the attitude!!!

Sometimes we are too forgiving...and sometimes, we don't give people a chance. Hopefully, kung kinsa man gani ang mga modaog, dili unta maglangay2 para dili mahurot ang chance. :-)

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bol-anon quo nyur! · « **Reply #32 on:** May 11, 2010, 07:50:52 AM »

Sometimes we are too forgiving...and sometimes, we don't give people a chance. Hopefully, kung kinsa man gani ang mga modaog, dili unta maglangay2 para dili mahurot ang chance. :-)

Lycxs, pila ba kunoy uwan-uwan sa Tagbi?

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chicogon · « **Reply #33 on:** May 11, 2010, 07:55:57 AM »

Lycxs, pila ba kunoy uwan-uwan sa Tagbi?

Ga EL NINO sa Tagbilaran bwahahaha!!!

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alycxs · « **Reply #34 on:** May 11, 2010, 08:17:13 AM »

Lycxs, pila ba kunoy uwan-uwan sa Tagbi?

Ang mga lider kuno ni Lim, gi issuehan ug debit card

Kang Veloso kuno P5,000

Wala pa ni confirm akong manghod ug pila gyud iyang nadawat, wala sad nako ma contact ron.

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kalamay de bohol · « **Reply #35 on:** May 11, 2010, 08:27:56 AM »

Ga EL NINO sa Tagbilaran bwahahaha!!!

way uso uwan2x sa tagbi dre'...Hulga2x maoy uso didto

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bol-anon quo nyur! · « **Reply #36 on:** May 11, 2010, 08:29:08 AM »

Ang mga lider kuno ni Lim, gi issuehan ug debit card

Kang Veloso kuno P5,000

Wala pa ni confirm akong manghod ug pila gyud iyang nadawat, wala sad nako ma contact ron.

Ah mao bah...WOW! daghana na diay sa El nenyo ron nuh! Aw, uwan-uwan diay!

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Chongki · « **Reply #37 on:** May 11, 2010, 09:09:58 AM »

php750 - veloso
php500 - lim

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alycxs · « **Reply #38 on:** May 11, 2010, 09:39:02 AM »

php750 - veloso
php500 - lim

as in nadawat nimo or dungog rapud ?

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Mulligan · « **Reply #39 on:** May 11, 2010, 10:17:57 AM »

Dugay gyud ang pag botar Padz kay sauna ang pag botar kada presinto man. Ang kada precinto dependi sa voters sa lugar, mo average ug 150 to 200 voters. Karon gi grupo ang mga precinto into clusters. 1 cluster consists of an average of 5 to 6 precinct depende sa lugar. So kon na belong ka sa usa ka clusters with 900+ voters, murag maghulat jud ka ug 3-1/2 hours kay usa raman ka PCOS machine ang gi deploy kada cluster. Naa priority number gahapon. Puro looy, botante ug mga maestra.

Ang pag basa sa filled-up ballot dali ra siguro mga seconds ra. Kana ug way problema sa gi deploy nga machine.

Dapat sa sunod dugangan unta ang mga PCOS machines kay mao may naka langan tungod sa taas nga linya.

Fore !

Kana maoy sakto!!! Thanks for the info...

Unya nganong ingon man sila dugay o langan ang pag botar? Kaayo ba ana remit/transmit na ang resulta sa Manila on the same day...

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