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hubag bohol · « **Reply #40 on:** October 27, 2010, 11:42:09 AM »

Great poets care not what the critics say, but what the heart speaks.

Alleluia!

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #41 on:** October 27, 2010, 11:43:40 AM »

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hubag bohol · « **Reply #42 on:** October 27, 2010, 11:49:13 AM »

Of course I did, my response was in the answer.

You did? Hmm, but perhaps your answer was in the response?

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islander · « **Reply #43 on:** October 27, 2010, 11:50:56 AM »

on bob dylan and his music:

dylan himself had declared that heâ€™s a poet first and a musician second, to which sam leith (a london-based literary editor and columnist) disagrees, pointing out that dylan's own declaration argues against his conclusion. dylan, says leith, is a genius of a songwriter but not a poet.

what blurs the thin line between poetry and song is their close kinship. both are founded on language, and both use rhythms.

leith is saying that dylan is a musician who writes the lyrics of his songs with poetic effect, but he's not a poet. writing with poetic effect is writing with the same imaginative and intense qualities of poems. it is not the same as writing a poem.

poems should also be experienced visually on a page, unlike music, which is only for the sense of hearing. poems therefore supply their own music and have a degree of intricacy and meaning that music cannot accommodate, leith says. songs and music meanwhile have the characteristic rhythmic shifts that a string of words, like poems or lyrics, cannot provide.

the formal differences between poetry and song, the two rhythmic and foremost mediums of language, must therefore be given careful consideration. promoting dylanâ€™s lyrics as poetry sells them short, and sells poetry short, leith declares. one can say though that dylanâ€™s lyrics are songs written by a genius of a songwriter who also composed the music for his lyrics.

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hubag bohol · « **Reply #44 on:** October 27, 2010, 11:54:03 AM »

what blurs the thin line between poetry and song is their close kinship. both are founded on language, and both use rhythms.

Hmm, what about poetry and doggerel?

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #45 on:** October 27, 2010, 11:54:21 AM »

You did? Hmm, but perhaps your answer was in the response?

hehe, its all relative, kind sir.

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islander · « **Reply #46 on:** October 27, 2010, 11:55:04 AM »

Isles, but of course. As always, your input and your message is well appreciated. An exchange of thoughts, an exchange in appreciation of poetry, and poets (even the not so good; the beginners).

That said, I still encourage the poets out there (the good, and what some would say, 'the bad') to continue to share their written thoughts.

Great poets care not what the critics say, but what the heart speaks.

sadly, the heart of critics can hear keenly while those that don't bother to listen at all may as well be deaf. but yes, anyone can share their thoughts. they just shouldn't pass those written thoughts off as poems or themselves as poets.

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #47 on:** October 27, 2010, 11:57:40 AM »

Written thoughts that follows a stanza,
a form, and a bit of rhyme, can be a poem.

Thanks for sharing your view, Isles.

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #48 on:** October 27, 2010, 12:01:09 PM »

Milton once said,

"Rhyme," he says, and says truly, "is no necessary adjunct of true poetry." But, perhaps, of poetry, as a mental operation, metre or music is no necessary adjunct: it is, however, by the music of metre that poetry has been discriminated in all languages; and, in languages melodiously constructed with a due proportion of long and short syllables, metre is sufficient. But one language cannot communicate its rules to another."

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islander · « **Reply #49 on:** October 27, 2010, 12:18:17 PM »

Hmm, what about poetry and doggerel?

tempting to think of a breed of a dog crossed with a squirrel.

doggerel is that inferior and trivial verse, way below a poem. i mean, it should not even be compared to a poem if one can help it. but heavens, even doggerels are not to be trifled with if we aim for comic effect.

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hubag bohol · « **Reply #50 on:** October 27, 2010, 12:24:10 PM »

sadly, the heart of critics can hear keenly while those that don't bother to listen at all may as well be deaf. but yes, anyone can share their thoughts. just don't pass those written thoughts off as poems or yourselves as poets.

This reminds me of what a critic once said after reading the works of a pretentious "poet": "You have the right to produce this stuff, but you don't have the right to rob me of my time."

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islander · « **Reply #51 on:** October 27, 2010, 01:02:10 PM »

Written thoughts that follows a stanza,
a form, and a bit of rhyme, can be a poem.

Thanks for sharing your view, Isles.

not necessarily. i'm afraid my take on poetry is not as loose as yours. modern poetry has done away with rhymes, for starters. i must say though that i know a real poem when a see one as i can tell a real cat from a stuffed toy.

thanks for your views too!

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hubag bohol · « **Reply #52 on:** October 27, 2010, 01:10:37 PM »

tempting to think of a breed of a dog crossed with a squirrel.

Here she is...

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islander · « **Reply #53 on:** October 27, 2010, 01:13:30 PM »

Written thoughts that follows a stanza,
a form, and a bit of rhyme, can be a poem.

Thanks for sharing your view, Isles.

(may i refer you back to reply no. 20, dated 26 october, a few tb pages back.)

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islander · « **Reply #54 on:** October 27, 2010, 01:14:38 PM »

Here she is...

your pronoun, bai hubag, your pronoun. he's a he.

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hubag bohol · « **Reply #55 on:** October 27, 2010, 01:20:09 PM »

doggerel is that inferior and trivial verse, way below a poem. i mean, it should not even be compared to a poem if one can help it. but heavens, even doggerels are not to be trifled with if we aim for comic effect.

He he, ang nakaparat, kon ang intensyon seryoso pero ang resulta kataw-anan...

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hubag bohol · « **Reply #56 on:** October 27, 2010, 04:54:06 PM »

The Bad Poetry Seminar

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/h2g2/A577118
http://www.verybadpoetry.com/
http://homepages.wmich.edu/~cooneys/poems/bad/index.html
http://www.suite101.com/article.cfm/performance_poetry/103616

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