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Pacquiao's mom blames change of 'religion' for loss
« on: December 09, 2012, 05:37:18 PM »
By Ira Pedrasa, ABS-CBNnews.com

Posted at 12/09/2012 3:45 PM | Updated as of 12/09/2012 3:45 PM

Dionesia Pacquiao would always lock herself up in her room before her son, Manny, faces a big fight.

Her fervor probably influenced the Pacman’s “rituals” at the ring before the start of the match.

Some of those rituals were absent during his latest match, where he lost to Mexican fighter Juan Manuel Marquez, even if Mommy D -- as she is fondly called -- did her usual routine.

After hearing the loss, she went out of her prayer room and cried in anguish, even blaming the boxer’s change in religion that led to the loss.

In an interview with dzMM later, a seemingly more relaxed Mommy D said: “Okay lang, tanggap na namin. Wala ako kaba sa umpisa, natanggap ko na ang pagkatalo.”

She said it will only be Manny who can answer the real reason behind the loss. Still, “sa aking side, gusto ko, huwag nyang iwan ang sign of the cross. 'Yun ang nakayaman sa kanya noon,” she said.

In a traditional Catholic country, speculations still abound as to what religion the boxing superstar is exercising now. Pacquiao said he did not change religions, but only sought a re-energized Christianity.

This newly found faith supposedly turned him around, with his vices such as gambling supposedly now a thing of the past.

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Manny has even allegedly asked his mother to join him in his Christian path.

Also in a dzMM interview, boxing analyst Ronnie Nathanielsz noted the boxer’s rituals brought a deeper meaning to his every fight.

“In the past, he put the rosary around his neck and prayed solemnly in one corner,” he pointed out.

The rosary was absent on Sunday (local time), however.

While such rituals may be a superstition to some, analyst Ed Tolentino said: “Ang sa akin: May nawawala ba? Lahat naman ng atleta, may ganyan e…may mga bagay-bagay na ayaw nating i-disrupt.”

He cited that Pancho Villa always had his “voodoo green” shorts while Michael Jordan was always wearing his North Carolina uniform. Efren “Bata” Reyes never took a bath whenever he wins a match.

Nathanielsz added Pacquiao’s turning back on those previous rituals is “difficult, especially in a [Catholic] environment in the Philippines.”

Straying from the path While he could not deny the strategy and strength of Marquez, Nathanielsz said Pacquiao “strayed a little from his path…Maybe, God only knows. This is a lesson to him.”

For Mommy D, it could be a sign that his son should already hang up his boxing gloves for good.

“Kung ako lang magdedesisyon, gusto ko na magpahinga na sya. Kung gusto nya as politician, dun na lang sya magserbisyo,” he said.

She also sought to console Filipinos from the heartbreak.

“Huwag na kayo masyado mabigo. Ako na nanay, tanggap ko na. Sana matanggap na ng fans…Ang Panginoon ang nag-uutos na huminto na sya,” she said.

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Re: Pacquiao's mom blames change of 'religion' for loss
« Reply #1 on: December 09, 2012, 05:41:02 PM »
" CHANGING RELIGION,, DESPITE LOSS,, STILL PROUD OF PACMAN. HE DOESN'T NEED TO PROVE ANYTHING NOW. HE'S ALREADY A CHAMP EVER SINCE."

IDOL MANNY BALIK NYA TAG PANARI HA!!   

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Re: Pacquiao's mom blames change of 'religion' for loss
« Reply #2 on: December 09, 2012, 06:09:45 PM »
....pangchix og billiard kay sukad ni undang ka aning mga bisyoha pildi ka sa imong mga away

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Re: Pacquiao's mom blames change of 'religion' for loss
« Reply #3 on: December 09, 2012, 06:21:04 PM »
Lest we forget, the point is as follows:


Nevermind the result of Manny Pacquiao vs. Juan Manuel Marquez 4; both sides will walk away happy. After all, their contracts ensure they'll be doing so with millions.

And in Pacquiao's case, it could be up to $30 million.

The fight, won by Marquez on a sixth-round KO, took place at MGM Grand Garden in Nevada and was expected to draw a heavy pay-per-view audience.

Pacquiao's contract with the Nevada Athletic Commission for this fight is $8.595 million. Marquez's contract is quite a bit smaller, but he's still taking away a guaranteed $3 million.

But that's just the beginning. The eventual purse for both fighters could be much, much larger.

This event was broadcast on HBO pay-per-view and was projected to garner over one million buys. The last Pacquiao-Marquez fight earned 1.3 million buys.

Pacquiao is perhaps the biggest draw in the sport, and the views reflect that.

A large chunk of Pacquiao's sum will come from his upside of the pay-per-view sales. And if it does well, Pacquiao will earn multiple millions from HBO.

Add that to his potential earning from the international broadcast of the fight and Pacquiao is easily projected to clear the $25-million barrier. Marquez is also expected to receive a significant sum from pay-per-view sales.

Top Rank boxing, the company that promoted this fight, expects it to do even better than the last edition of this bout. According to Top Rank's president Todd duBoef, Pacquiao's popularity hasn't lessened since his loss to Timothy Bradley; if anything it’s increased.  -- http://bleacherreport.com/

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Re: Pacquiao's mom blames change of 'religion' for loss
« Reply #4 on: December 09, 2012, 06:42:01 PM »

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Re: Pacquiao's mom blames change of 'religion' for loss
« Reply #5 on: December 09, 2012, 07:05:04 PM »
aw bahalag peldi basta daug..

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Re: Pacquiao's mom blames change of 'religion' for loss
« Reply #7 on: December 10, 2012, 11:01:45 AM »
Nganong mibalhin og relihiyon?: Mommy D
Ni Rolando R. Morallo
Sunday, December 9, 2012


SI Dionisia Pacquiao, nailang Mommy D nga inahan ni Manny Pacquiao, niluwat og mga bug-at nga pulong bahin sa bag-ong tinuhoan nga gisudlan sa iyang anak.

Gisaysay ni Mommy nga naumol ang iyang anak ngadto sa pagka kampiyon sa iyang pagka Romano Katoliko.

“Ang nakapag-champion sa anak ko, ang dati niyang relihiyon na pinanggalingan niya,” matod ni Mommy D nga nahinabi sa GMA News TV pipila ka gutlo human sa kapildihan ni Manny kagahapon.

Subli nga gipamaha­yag ni Dionisia nag dili na siya uyon nga moaway pa og balik ang iyang anak.

“Sabihin ko kay (Top Rank CEO ug Pacquiao promoter) Bob Arum, stop na. Hindi hayop ang anak ko; tao siya. Ayoko na. Ang trabaho niya focus nalang sa pulitika. Iwanan nalang niya ang pag-boxing,” dason sa masuk-anong inahan.

Dihang gipangutana sa GMA News kon ang iyang anak nagsunod na ba sa iyang mga tambag, nibuto ang kasuko sa inahan batok sa mga pastor nga nagpalibot kang Manny.

“Makinig man. May sikreto na itong anak ko kasi makulit ang mga pastor talaga sa kanya. Hindi ako matakot kahit sino pa sila, harapin ko sila.

Magulo ang mga pastor dito sa bahay ni Manny. Magulo. Bakit kunin niya ang anak ko eh tahimik siya? Yan ang nakapagchampion sa anak ko, ang dati niyang relihiyon na pinanggalingan niya,” dugang sa inahan.

Si Dionisia nipabuhagay sa iyang pagsupak bahin sa pagbiya ni Manny sa pagka Romano Katoliko.

“Sinabi ko na wag kayo maglipat. Jinky, wag kayong maglipat,” dugang sa inahan.

Usa sa giyawyagan ni Mommy D mao si Pastor Jeric Soriano, spiritual adviser ni Manny,
gikan sa Alabang New Life Christian Center sa Muntinlupa.

Makita na kini kanu­nay sa mga pagbansay ni Manny, diin si Manny nakita usab nga nitambong sa ordinasyon sa pastor niadtong Enero.

Daghan nang kamatikod nga wala na mangu­ros si Manny ug wala na usab magsul-ob sa iyang rosaryohan nga sa sayong bahin sa iyang karera, kini ang iyang kanunay himuon labi na sa iyang mga away.

Giasoy ni Mommy D sa radyo ug telebisyon nga milagro alang kaniya ang pagkabuhi ni Manny dihang nasakit ug himat­yon sa edad nga dos anyos.

Matod ni Mommy D, pwerte niyang ampo ug luhod sa Ginuo uban sa iyang debosyon sa Birhen Maria nga iyang gikonsiderar nga milagro nga nabuhi kini ug nahimo pang kampiyon bisan nag-inusara na lang nga nagbuhi sa pamilya.

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Re: Pacquiao's mom blames change of 'religion' for loss
« Reply #8 on: December 10, 2012, 11:04:59 AM »
Dihang gipangutana sa GMA News kon ang iyang anak nagsunod na ba sa iyang mga tambag, nibuto ang kasuko sa inahan batok sa mga pastor nga nagpalibot kang Manny.

“Makinig man. May sikreto na itong anak ko kasi makulit ang mga pastor talaga sa kanya. Hindi ako matakot kahit sino pa sila, harapin ko sila.

Magulo ang mga pastor dito sa bahay ni Manny. Magulo. Bakit kunin niya ang anak ko eh tahimik siya? Yan ang nakapagchampion sa anak ko, ang dati niyang relihiyon na pinanggalingan niya,” dugang sa inahan.

Si Dionisia nipabuhagay sa iyang pagsupak bahin sa pagbiya ni Manny sa pagka Romano Katoliko.

:P

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Re: Pacquiao's mom blames change of 'religion' for loss
« Reply #9 on: December 10, 2012, 09:58:35 PM »
aw bahalag peldi basta daug..

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Re: Pacquiao's mom blames change of 'religion' for loss
« Reply #10 on: December 10, 2012, 10:43:09 PM »
He cited that Pancho Villa always had his “voodoo green” shorts while Michael Jordan was always wearing his North Carolina uniform. Efren “Bata” Reyes never took a bath whenever he wins a match.

aaarrrgh!  what's a boxer to do if he took all these 3 "good luck charms"?

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Re: Pacquiao's mom blames change of 'religion' for loss
« Reply #11 on: December 10, 2012, 10:44:43 PM »
hey, he's simply not up to it in this particular fight.  sometimes, the runner stumbles.

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Re: Pacquiao's mom blames change of 'religion' for loss
« Reply #12 on: December 10, 2012, 10:56:31 PM »
CBCP: Pacquiao defeat not 'God's vengeance'

By Kim Arveen Patria
Yahoo! Southeast Asia Newsroom
10 December 2012

Manny Pacquiao's defeat to Juan Manuel Marquez may have been partly caused by his change in religious beliefs, but the knockout was "self-inflicted" and not an act of a "vengeful God," an official of the Catholic Bishops' Conference of the Philippines said.

"God himself does not inflict pain on anybody. Whatever pain we encounter is the effect of the evil in us," said Francis Lucas, executive secretary of CBCP's Episcopal Commission on Social Communications and Mass Media.

"Our God is not a vengeful God but a God of love," he told Yahoo! Southeast Asia in a phone interview.

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Re: Pacquiao's mom blames change of 'religion' for loss
« Reply #13 on: December 10, 2012, 10:58:59 PM »
Retired Lingayen Archbishop Oscar Cruz concurred, adding in a separate phone interview that although he respects "the pious thoughts, it is very difficult to validate such assertions."

He meanwhile urged the Filipino public to "respect Manny's beliefs."

"Although he is a born-again Christian, I have been told that he does not have any vice at hindi nagsusugal kaya mabuhay siya (and does not gamble so good for him)," Cruz said.

Lucas did not discount the possibility, however, that Manny's abandonment of his devotion to the rosary and other doctrines of the Catholic faith may have impacted the boxing legend's performance.

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Re: Pacquiao's mom blames change of 'religion' for loss
« Reply #14 on: December 10, 2012, 10:59:35 PM »
"If you are devoted to something and you suddenly let go of that devotion, it entails a shaking of the psyche," Lucas said.

"It was a lucky punch, so they claim, still, there must have been something amiss in Manny which disabled him from dodging it," the priest added.

This, as he noted that Manny "does not do what he used to do," including openly wearing a rosary right before fights, and the breaking of such habit coincided with a "losing streak."

The same observation has been espoused by sports commentators and netizens hours after Pacquiao bowed down to Marquez Sunday.

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Re: Pacquiao's mom blames change of 'religion' for loss
« Reply #15 on: December 10, 2012, 11:00:56 PM »
Even the athlete-turned-politician's mother scolded him on public television for no longer wearing the rosary as he used to while entering the boxing ring.

As for Lucas, he said whatever God's message is in Pacquiao's loss is subject to personal interpretation.

Manny himself, he said, should discern its meaning.

"What I can say for my part is that if Manny has been receiving all the blessing when he was devoted to the Catholic faith, why did he not keep it?" Lucas said.

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Re: Pacquiao's mom blames change of 'religion' for loss
« Reply #16 on: December 10, 2012, 11:21:44 PM »
Dihang gipangutana sa GMA News kon ang iyang anak nagsunod na ba sa iyang mga tambag, nibuto ang kasuko sa inahan batok sa mga pastor nga nagpalibot kang Manny.

“Makinig man. May sikreto na itong anak ko kasi makulit ang mga pastor talaga sa kanya. Hindi ako matakot kahit sino pa sila, harapin ko sila.

Magulo ang mga pastor dito sa bahay ni Manny. Magulo. Bakit kunin niya ang anak ko eh tahimik siya? Yan ang nakapagchampion sa anak ko, ang dati niyang relihiyon na pinanggalingan niya,” dugang sa inahan.

Si Dionisia nipabuhagay sa iyang pagsupak bahin sa pagbiya ni Manny sa pagka Romano Katoliko.

“Sinabi ko na wag kayo maglipat. Jinky, wag kayong maglipat,” dugang sa inahan.

Usa sa giyawyagan ni Mommy D mao si Pastor Jeric Soriano, spiritual adviser ni Manny, gikan sa Alabang New Life Christian Center sa Muntinlupa.

Makita na kini kanu­nay sa mga pagbansay ni Manny, diin si Manny nakita usab nga nitambong sa ordinasyon sa pastor niadtong Enero.

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Re: Pacquiao's mom blames change of 'religion' for loss
« Reply #17 on: December 11, 2012, 05:48:52 AM »
Efren “Bata” Reyes never took a bath whenever he wins a match.

Sa iyang hitsura klaro nga permi siya kadaog... ;D

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« Reply #18 on: December 11, 2012, 10:29:59 AM »
Ang kapildihan ni Manny pagbuot sa Ginoo kay segi  naman og basa  Bible. Tag alas dose na matulog. Dili nato mabasol ang mga Pastors. It's the will of the Almighty God.  It's now time of his downfall 

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« Reply #19 on: December 11, 2012, 10:52:49 AM »
Sauna: Sa dihang manguros si Manny ug may rosaryohan nga isab-ay sa ijahang liog, ingon ang mga Protestante nga nakadaug kono tungod sa Demonyo.

Karon: Napildi sa dihang mibalhin ug relihiyon. Napildi kono na tungod sa pagtugot sa Guinoo.


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Re: Pacquiao's mom blames change of 'religion' for loss
« Reply #20 on: December 11, 2012, 11:02:35 AM »
si manny ra jud ang makasulti kung unsa ang plano sa Ginoo sa iyang kinabuhi. kinahanglan nga pamalandongan niya ug maayo ang mga panghitabo sa iyang kinabuhi karon.

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Re: Pacquiao's mom blames change of 'religion' for loss
« Reply #21 on: December 11, 2012, 11:05:58 AM »
sayang wala ko kita sa Pacquiao fight ug after the fight drama.... hehehehe

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« Reply #22 on: December 11, 2012, 12:09:00 PM »
Sauna: Sa dihang manguros si Manny ug may rosaryohan nga isab-ay sa ijahang liog, ingon ang mga Protestante nga nakadaug kono tungod sa Demonyo.

Karon: Napildi sa dihang mibalhin ug relihiyon. Napildi kono na tungod sa pagtugot sa Guinoo.

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« Reply #23 on: December 11, 2012, 12:24:54 PM »
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Re: Pacquiao's mom blames change of 'religion' for loss
« Reply #24 on: December 11, 2012, 12:46:49 PM »
kun ang religion ang himoong rason, mag-unsa na lang kung puro catholics ang nag-boxing?  moingon na pod nga mas catholic ang niadaog kay sa pildero?

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Re: Pacquiao's mom blames change of 'religion' for loss
« Reply #25 on: December 11, 2012, 12:48:18 PM »
mas motuo pa ko nga medyo minos ug preparasyon si pacquiao karon kay daghan siyag kuyog nga pastor kuno nga mag-bible studies pa late into the evenings.  kuwang ug tulog.  makuwang kog tulog, hapit ko di makaalsa ug frying pan.  aw, igo ra ta sa hakahaka because we will never know the truth.  what is real is that he was defeated, and he gave the best reason: marquez was good.

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Re: Pacquiao's mom blames change of 'religion' for loss
« Reply #26 on: December 12, 2012, 12:23:53 AM »
aaarrrgh!  what's a boxer to do if he took all these 3 "good luck charms"?
aaarrrgh!  what's a boxer to do if he took all these 3 "good luck charms"?

kung sa tari pa boynas gani ang akong gusiut nga t-shirt aw cge jud na nakog isuot ug balik2x kada adtog tarian bahalag daghang buling.. :P

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« Reply #27 on: December 12, 2012, 02:21:28 AM »
ang bOrit kUng mAuy mAgdagHan DyutaY ra....

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Re: Pacquiao's mom blames change of 'religion' for loss
« Reply #28 on: December 12, 2012, 02:24:16 AM »
si manny ra jud ang makasulti kung unsa ang plano sa Ginoo sa iyang kinabuhi. kinahanglan nga pamalandongan niya ug maayo ang mga panghitabo sa iyang kinabuhi karon.

kinahanglan ug landong ang kinabuhi ni pakyaw karon kay murag init ra.. ;)

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Re: Pacquiao's mom blames change of 'religion' for loss
« Reply #29 on: December 12, 2012, 04:29:47 AM »
Mag usab2x man jud ang panahon. Matod pa, mayweather2x, este, weather2x lang...

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Re: Pacquiao's mom blames change of 'religion' for loss
« Reply #30 on: December 12, 2012, 04:33:41 AM »
si manny ra jud ang makasulti kung unsa ang plano sa Ginoo sa iyang kinabuhi. kinahanglan nga pamalandongan niya ug maayo ang mga panghitabo sa iyang kinabuhi karon.

Mopadayon man kuno siyag away. After all, he truly loves the sport. And, the way I see it, why not, as long as it remains a money-making venture...

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Re: Pacquiao's mom blames change of 'religion' for loss
« Reply #31 on: December 12, 2012, 04:35:35 AM »
kun ang religion ang himoong rason, mag-unsa na lang kung puro catholics ang nag-boxing?  moingon na pod nga mas catholic ang niadaog kay sa pildero?

Bitaw. Change of religion? Change of wife kaha hinuon...  :P

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Re: Pacquiao's mom blames change of 'religion' for loss
« Reply #33 on: December 13, 2012, 12:35:34 PM »
Mag usab2x man jud ang panahon. Matod pa, mayweather2x, este, weather2x lang...

It's now the downfall of Pacquiao. It's time to retire from boxing.

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Re: Pacquiao's mom blames change of 'religion' for loss
« Reply #34 on: December 13, 2012, 02:56:40 PM »
we still proud of u Manny, basta kaya pa, fight lang gihapon.

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Re: Pacquiao's mom blames change of 'religion' for loss
« Reply #35 on: December 13, 2012, 06:46:48 PM »
changing religion is not the reason why he lost ... basig tiguwang na cya, basig kuwang sa practice, basig dha cyay gibati .... i dont believe in religion and luck as the reason for your success. it is always hard work!

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Re: Pacquiao's mom blames change of 'religion' for loss
« Reply #36 on: December 14, 2012, 10:47:06 PM »
changing religion is not the reason why he lost ... basig tiguwang na cya, basig kuwang sa practice, basig dha cyay gibati .... i dont believe in religion and luck as the reason for your success. it is always hard work!

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Re: Pacquiao's mom blames change of 'religion' for loss
« Reply #37 on: December 15, 2012, 02:21:31 AM »
changing religion is not the reason why he lost ... basig tiguwang na cya, basig kuwang sa practice, basig dha cyay gibati .... i dont believe in religion and luck as the reason for your success. it is always hard work!

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correct. He's doing too much as it is. He needs to refocus and ponder on what he wants to do in his life. He's doing too much.

I think his mother blaming his religious change is unnecessary and is more harmful to his son. She needs to comfort her son and provide a source of love and support (emotional) rather than putting the blame on a religious philosophy or what have you.

That is my view.

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Re: Pacquiao's mom blames change of 'religion' for loss
« Reply #38 on: December 17, 2012, 11:56:18 PM »
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