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Civil society groups, bishops join Trillanes
« on: November 29, 2007, 03:03:41 PM »
Civil society groups, bishops join Trillanes


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MAKATI CITY, Philippines -- Civil society groups and bishops called for President Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo to resign and called on the people to come out and show support for Senator Antonio Trillanes IV.

Among them were Jimmy Regalario of the Kilusang Makabansang Ekonomiya, Father Robert Reyes, former University of the Philippines president Francisco Nemenzo, former Vice President Teofisto Guingona, Bishops Julius Labayen and Gaudencio Tobias.

Nemenzo called on the Filipinos to “carry on the fight.”

Regalario said his group was calling on those in the line of succession from Vice President Noli De Castro, Senate President Manuel Villar, Speaker Jose De Venecia to give way to Supreme Court Chief Justice Reynato Puno to head a caretaker government for one and a half years, during which a new Constitution would be drawn up.

“People ask me if this is another EDSA. I hope so...To our countrymen, instead of going abroad, it's time to come here...This administration has no moral ascendancy. It is corrupt to the bones. Pagod na kami [We are tired],” Reyes said.



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« Reply #1 on: November 29, 2007, 03:13:37 PM »
Is this going to be another military uprising or worst, coup de etat?   

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« Reply #2 on: November 29, 2007, 03:26:28 PM »
i think i wont grazz, it's another drama again, well se until 3:00pm ( maynila time ), pnp imposes deadlock for the actors.

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« Reply #3 on: November 29, 2007, 03:28:26 PM »
a coup de etat!!!!

and i love it. i voted for trillanes.


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« Reply #4 on: November 29, 2007, 03:35:16 PM »
Thanks, Brownman for informing us didto sa shoutbox.

What makes these guys, Trillanes and Lim, et al. who are under investigation for leading the Oakwood mutiny think that they can just walk out of the court and go to the street and ask for support!  Kapoy na bya pod ba, Brownman, they always claim that GMA has no moral ascendancy to lead our nation but who has?  Sila lugar naay moral ascendancy?  And then they want the SC to be the caretaker of the nation while they draft a new constitution!  Pastilan!  But I have trust that GMA and her administration can nip this yet another try to overthrow her administration!

Gisapot na hinuon ko imbis matulog nko!

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« Reply #5 on: November 29, 2007, 03:37:38 PM »
Really, Leo?  Does he has moral ascendancy to lead our nation? 

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« Reply #6 on: November 29, 2007, 03:41:54 PM »
he has. i should know. but moral you are talking about? those who are in higher position are more immoral than trillanes. i don't want to start a debate here.
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Trillanes remains defiant, says nothing will happen after 3 pm
A defiant Sen. Antonio Trillanes IV on Thursday afternoon dismissed the 3 p.m. deadline imposed by the Philippine National Police for him and Brig. Gen. Danilo Lim to surrender.

"Believe me, nothing will happen after three o'clock," Trillanes told reporters at the second floor lobby of the Manila Peninsula Hotel where the opposition senator, Lim and other supporters are holed up.

Trillanes also reiterated calls for Filipinos to support their cause and join in efforts to force President Gloria Macapagal Arroyo to step down, saying it is the moral responsibility of the people to oppose abuses committed by the administration.

The senator also asked the public to ignore "black propaganda" being directed against his group. - GMANews.TV

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« Reply #7 on: November 29, 2007, 03:49:26 PM »
Okay, Le.  I can not say, for a fact either that he has no moral ascendancy as he claimed GMA doesn't have but when are we going to stop having a new leader by going to the street?   

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« Reply #8 on: November 29, 2007, 04:01:18 PM »
it's the filipino culture... we started it in 1980s. in fact, other countries are doing it too because the streets are good place to voice out the sentiments of the people. we used into it... nothing's new in phil.

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« Reply #9 on: November 29, 2007, 04:03:40 PM »
Okay, Le.  I can not say, for a fact either that he has no moral ascendancy as he claimed GMA doesn't have but when are we going to stop having a new leader by going to the street?   

Exactly.

Let the new president be elected in the next presidential elections and not by some rag-tag people's movement. We must reclaim the legitimacy of Philippine democracy vis-a-vis the electoral process, not by a subvertist action, which will only weaken the world's perception of Philippine democracy. Government must be firm so that it will not be easily swooned by the whirlwind passions of the people. To do so would make government unstable and fragile.

Government must be firm, resolute, thick-skinned. And make action against all seditious actions that will undermine the economic, political, military and national progress of the Republic of the Philippines. I for one do not recognize the legitimacy of Trillanes--nor any former de-facto military officer who mutinied the Armed Forces of the Philippines--and showed complete dereliction of duty to the allegiance of the state, and the Armed Forces that he was sworn to protect.

That is my firm view on this matter.

Lets all get back to business!

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« Reply #10 on: November 29, 2007, 04:06:48 PM »
well i also voted  for trillanes hes a smart guy, you can view live at ANC channel, tensions were high at the moment as marines and swat teams with apc's are visible at the area.

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« Reply #12 on: November 29, 2007, 04:15:16 PM »
a few minutes ago, the group of trillanes rejected the 3:00pm deadline to vacate the manila pen at makati, negotiations on progress.


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« Reply #13 on: November 29, 2007, 04:23:09 PM »
it's the filipino culture... we started it in 1980s. in fact, other countries are doing it too because the streets are good place to voice out the sentiments of the people. we used into it... nothing's new in phil.

The problem with constant revolution and the manner of these revolutionary protests is that the 'masses' that they claim to represent are composed of uneducated, desperate minds, little or few of the Filipino intelligentsia actually take part in these 'protests'. On the contrary, these protesters are members of the slum, squatters who have no idea of the complex processes of political science, national growth, nation building, retaining and developing political relations with foreign states vis a vis economic trade, military partnership, energy purchase. These protesters are garnered to the streets and are influenced by the unstable passions of the 'mass' phenomena--and take part in it for the thrill--as can be documented in the French Revolution. Government must maintain its firm resolve to fight and hold its ground even if the passions of the people rise and fall. If government is expected to capitulate to any protesting crowd, then the entire country would be doomed--perpetual instability would be manifested. The reality of the situation is that not one government can satisfy everyone; even in more progressive nation states such as the United States. Does the US give in to people's protest immediately? Of course not. If any ill act is committed, it would be addressed by the federal grand jury, the federal courts, and make its way to the ears of the United States Supreme Court--and if changes are necessary--will be implemented. From there, the legislative and executive will make proper actions. The Philippine Government needs to reiterate such stances; where the Law of the Land must make precedence. This is why there are rebellions occurring in the country---by the NPA in the north and by the islamofascists in the south--because even our own political processes is hampered by insurrectionists in the Manila heartland. I say to the government: Be Firm! Uphold the Law and Punish those who commit seditious acts against the Republic!

The 1986 Edsa revolutionary people power is understandable, however these constant occurrences are weakening the world's view on Philippine democracy. Its time for the country to prove to the region and the world that it means business and is not some ludicrous perpetual Sick Man of Asia. No. We are a fiery people with noble and resilient dreams for national growth. However, there are proper means to channel those concerns---investment in the intelligentsia and active legislative installments. GMA was placed on the presidency due to the inadequacy and corruption of the Estrada administration. For sure the Arroyo administration isn't free from corruption, however, here administration has seen so many leaps and bounds for the progress of the country by any President to hold office since the fall of the Strong Man Marcos. The country's economy is surging at a phenomenal 7.5% gdp growth, growing and rising remittances from OFWs; continuing growth in HDI (human developmental index) as the Arroyo administration invests in national and local infrastructure, intensifying pressure in the peace process in the south as well as continuing the AFP's hunt for terrorism, increased and re-kindled American-Philippine military/economic alliance. All of these are just a sample of the contributions and achievements of this administration that these protesters are calling 'illegitimate'.

No! Trillanes is illegitimate! He is a mutineer! Do you know the punishment of mutiny is in the United States? Court Martial, prison time, and even execution via a firing squad. However, in the Philippines, men like that are elected to legislative positions. Absolutely unthinkable. What does that say about our country to the world community when our society rewards the crimes of few individuals by placing them in a political pedestal? And now being asked to join the spearhead to depose a legitimate and fully functioning and stable Presidency that is of the GMA administration? Absurd, in my opinion.

President Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo comes from a distinguished background that precedes her. She not only is the daughter of the former President of the Philippines, but was educated in the prestigious Georgetown University in her undergrad and was a classmate of former President William (Bill) Clinton, before proceeding to law school and politics in the Philippines. What does Trillanes have to answer the vast experience and political clout of Arroyo? Nothing, besides his total dereliction of duty in the military--worthy of the firing squad.

Nay, I don't think so.

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« Reply #14 on: November 29, 2007, 04:38:02 PM »
i do agree with you sir lorenzo,we are all peace loving filipino citizen. There must be a ligimate elected officer as people will abide & respect the rule of law, not KUDETA.

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« Reply #15 on: November 29, 2007, 04:48:09 PM »
Please don't call me Sir, I am not of noble birth and do not take advantage of the masses. Just call me Lorenzo, Mr. Brownman.

Yes, I believe that we are all peace loving Filipinos who yearn to see the progress and advancement of our beloved Philippines. However, I am a realist and I totally abhor unnecessary coup de tats. I am totally admonished by the gravity of some Filipinos in the political sphere in Manila! Where do they have the right to even do this! This man, this Trillanes hasn't even functioned 1 year as a legislator and he's already part of a group that wants to oust our President? Where is the respect for the Chief? He wouldn't know because he's a mutineer. What does he know of 'duty' and 'following orders'? He would have himself enthroned as president and lead the entire country into ruin and reverse ALL the accomplishments the Arroyo Administration has procured in the last 6 years. Let us not be blind! Do not support this insurrectionist called Trillanes!



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« Reply #16 on: November 29, 2007, 04:57:16 PM »
Civil society groups, bishops join Trillanes


source:  inquirer.net

MAKATI CITY, Philippines -- Civil society groups and bishops called for President Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo to resign and called on the people to come out and show support for Senator Antonio Trillanes IV.

Among them were Jimmy Regalario of the Kilusang Makabansang Ekonomiya, Father Robert Reyes, former University of the Philippines president Francisco Nemenzo, former Vice President Teofisto Guingona, Bishops Julius Labayen and Gaudencio Tobias.

Nemenzo called on the Filipinos to “carry on the fight.”

Regalario said his group was calling on those in the line of succession from Vice President Noli De Castro, Senate President Manuel Villar, Speaker Jose De Venecia to give way to Supreme Court Chief Justice Reynato Puno to head a caretaker government for one and a half years, during which a new Constitution would be drawn up.

“People ask me if this is another EDSA. I hope so...To our countrymen, instead of going abroad, it's time to come here...This administration has no moral ascendancy. It is corrupt to the bones. Pagod na kami [We are tired],” Reyes said.



One thing. Separation of Church and State.

As much as I am a Catholic, I see no place for religion in the fields of politics--nor should religion influence politics. The bishops are in err to even make such declarations. Unethical and totally out of their spherical roles. Theologians, either they be catholic, protestant, muslim, jew etc, should remain in their tenements--in the church, mosque, or temple and not in political life.

This is one thing that the Philippines needs to challenge and change.



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« Reply #17 on: November 29, 2007, 04:59:27 PM »
you have some very good points but as surveys and peoples outcry GMA is no longer rating as good as before, many critics were rising up against our dear president, do hope the crisis will resolve sooner.

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« Reply #18 on: November 29, 2007, 05:07:40 PM »
I also hope that everything will be resolved peacefully. Back to business~

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« Reply #19 on: November 29, 2007, 06:01:37 PM »
it's almost done, trillanes and company will likely to surrender their cards latter, no casualties was reported except for the slight damage of manila pen main lobby, the drama is almost over!

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« Reply #20 on: November 30, 2007, 11:51:43 PM »
Thanks, Dong Enzo, Brownman and El Mundo for the points of view.  We may differ in our views but I am sure that we truly and deeply care of our dear Philippines.

I go for Senator Miriam Santiago's move to punish Trillanes accordingly.

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« Reply #21 on: December 01, 2007, 02:09:41 AM »
I am satisfied that government held its own ground. This is a political victory for the Government of the Philippines, and democracy. And I concur with what Ate Ging mentioned. Trillanes must be punished, he must be made an example of. The Law is the supreme judge of the land, and no one is free from its verdict. Not a president, a senator, a congressman, a general, and average citizen.

My praise goes to the Philippines!

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« Reply #22 on: December 01, 2007, 07:25:10 AM »
Na, wala na ta kabalo kung kinsa ang anagayan mamuno ani, kay otehrs will say, these people ar corrupt and, does it makes them good?

Hahayy kapoy baya oi, magwonder lang ta kung kanus-a mahuman.

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« Reply #23 on: December 01, 2007, 07:44:54 AM »
After Marcos was sent in exile to Hawaii, all succeding presidents were accused of being corrupt and all of them were threatened to be taken out from their presidency thru people power - even Cory who became president by virtue of being a wife of Ninoy Aquino.  She never wanted to be a president in the first place but we needed her for the smooth transition of an alleged corrupt Marcos era to a Cory-led Philippines.  And so she gave in to the clamor of the Masang Pilipino and yet, she wasn't exempted to that threat of being ousted thru "people power", her being one of the pillars of the original Edsa People Power.

Power corrupts people, that's just what it is and yet people wants to be in power. Whoever becomes president of our country is always going to be accused of being corrupt.  But the good thing about GMA, in all her shortcomings, she is tough and not easily toppled by this righteous  politicians who think they are morally upright than the others. 

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« Reply #24 on: December 01, 2007, 10:45:08 AM »
thanks also ms grazie of your very nice views, whatever it is, we'll just abide the law of state & God, anyway, the so called five star hotel rebel was charged again with rebellion before the court alongside with some media men, let's just see what happens next!

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« Reply #25 on: December 01, 2007, 11:08:08 AM »
well i also voted  for trillanes hes a smart guy, you can view live at ANC channel, tensions were high at the moment as marines and swat teams with apc's are visible at the area.
i don't like him in the sense that if he really cares about the welfare of the masses, why don't he cooperate in the present administration?  instead of creating coup de etat, why not do something that will help the common tao?  gausik usik raman na sija sa funds sa government, kana diay pagpada ug mga soldiers, police just to make them stop, di ba gasto man na?  yes, he has a brilliant mind, pero wa man nija gamita sa maajo.  nakadaog man jud na sija pagkasenador, naa ba na sija'y nahimo?  wa man ko kadungog, basin wa ko maupdated, pls. let me know.  pero klarong pagkaistorya, kadtong ijang gibuhat sa una sa oakwood mutiny para lang to makasakay sa popularity aron iboto sa mga tao.  pagarpar ng tawhana, wa ma lagi agi.  mocooperate lang unta na sila sa present administration, do the best that he can do.  anyway, dili man magdugay ang namunuan karon.  inigsunod election, pick the right one. 

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« Reply #26 on: December 01, 2007, 12:38:48 PM »
Sus, Amy, dugay na jud ko wa kadungog anang pulong na "pagarpar"!  Ato kanang idugang sa atong vocabulary here kauban adtong kukabildo, batakang balaud, etc.

Brownman, dapat jud madugang to sa ilang kaso kadtong ilang pagsamok-samok the other day.  Not only that, dapat ang Ethics Committee sa Senate should also form their own investigation kon unsa ang proper punishment according to rules of law - kon angayan ba sija na i-dismiss or at least suspenso sa Senado. Gi unsa kaha nila pag huna-huna na kon ilang mapa uproot si GMA, wala man gani sila'y klarong course of action.  Mao ba nay gahuna-huna sa atong nasud?

Wa man jud sila'y respeto sa court where they had hearing for their oakwood mutiny case unya nag walk out lang.  Basin tan aw nila losing na, adto na dayon sila sa street and hide under the skirts of their so-called Mamamayang Pilipino when in fact ila lang gi gamit ning mga pobreng Mamamayang Pilipino!

Amy, ang problema lang lagi sa atong nasud, mo ingon lagi ta pick the right one, pero unsaon man puro lang man pod pagarpar ilang pag yawyaw sa ilang flatform. 

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« Reply #27 on: December 01, 2007, 12:44:30 PM »
mao lagi Ms. Ging, mao jud na dakong problema.  isig ijahay man gud ug palabaw ba.  sa abot or kita na lang magdaog.  naa unta'y mobarog ba nga kana jud dili selfish, dili kaugalingong katagbawan ra'y gitan aw, kundi ang kadaghanan.  looy jud atong nasud.  daghan tawn manibat para lang makakita ug maajong kapanginabuhian sa laing mga nasud.

musta man ka Ms. Ging?  ganina ra ko ani ba, kami ni Ms. C2, Ms Bambs, Ms Belle

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