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Title: "Filipino" vs. "Boholano/Cebuano/etc..."
Post by: smiffytheninja on November 26, 2008, 01:52:53 AM
So I was clicking through my YouTube videos when I realized there was someone on one of my videos that was stirring a debate whether "Filipinos" is the correct term for associating all people who were born & raised in the Philippines. What sparked my curiosity the most was the fact that this guy was claiming he was a "Cebuano" as opposed to a "Filipino" due to personal conflicts he had with his government.

So, out of curiousity ... what would you consider yourself to be? A Filipino, a Cebuano/or person from whatever specific town/barrio, or both?

Title: Re: "Filipino" vs. "Boholano/Cebuano/etc..."
Post by: Lorenzo on November 26, 2008, 05:15:17 AM
I consider myself an American first. An American of Filipino decent.
Title: Re: "Filipino" vs. "Boholano/Cebuano/etc..."
Post by: lindy on November 26, 2008, 06:25:45 AM
ako bisan unsaon pag bali bali ug tuwad Bol anon jud.
Title: Re: "Filipino" vs. "Boholano/Cebuano/etc..."
Post by: Moyhua on November 26, 2008, 10:51:11 AM
Ako, bisdak jud. Cogtonganon-Bol-anon!
Title: Re: "Filipino" vs. "Boholano/Cebuano/etc..."
Post by: TOPAC on November 26, 2008, 12:36:00 PM
depende kung asa ko:

kung na ko sa bohol, VALENCIANHON ko..
kung na kos cebu/manila/basta outside bohol, BOL-ANON ko..
kung na kos london/hongkong/new york/basta outside philippines, PINOY ko..
Title: Re: "Filipino" vs. "Boholano/Cebuano/etc..."
Post by: bol-anon nga cebuano on November 27, 2008, 12:15:49 AM
ako:

kung naa sa bohol - bol-anon
kung naa sa cebu - cebuano
kung gawas sa cebu ug bohol pero naa ra sa pilipinas - bisaya
pero kung naa sa gawas - pure pinoy pareha ni calle.
Title: Re: "Filipino" vs. "Boholano/Cebuano/etc..."
Post by: glacier_71 on November 27, 2008, 12:20:13 PM
unya og mukuha ni siyag passport, mo-file og mga documento, unsa may ibutang sa iyang nationality, "Cebuano"? gara-gara...
Title: Re: "Filipino" vs. "Boholano/Cebuano/etc..."
Post by: TOPAC on November 27, 2008, 12:34:09 PM
sa cebu man gud, they seemed to despise the tagalogs.. mao proud to be cebuano jud na sila..

medjo presko man gud ang mga tagalog kung muadto sa cebu or bisan asa basta province.. may superiority complex ka nga..

mao nga they want to be distinguish from the tagalogs..

sa passport, aw, Filipino gud glacier..hehehe
Title: Re: "Filipino" vs. "Boholano/Cebuano/etc..."
Post by: slackware on November 27, 2008, 07:40:15 PM
ambot ning taga cebu kun imo sugo-on papalit ug patis, tuyo may paliton! hehehehehe. kataw-an lang sa mga tagalog
Title: Re: "Filipino" vs. "Boholano/Cebuano/etc..."
Post by: A Layman on November 27, 2008, 09:38:30 PM
Ako? Siyempre Boholano ko bisag asa dapita. Pero sa passport 'Filipino'.
Title: Re: "Filipino" vs. "Boholano/Cebuano/etc..."
Post by: bol-anon nga cebuano on November 27, 2008, 11:16:31 PM
natural nga filipino ang naa sa passport kay mao man na ang atong nationality.
Title: Re: "Filipino" vs. "Boholano/Cebuano/etc..."
Post by: A Layman on November 28, 2008, 08:02:06 AM
Bitaw! Kay dili ka man tagaan ug passport nga Cebuano o di ba Boholano. Kon pwede lang ang akong pili-on syempre Boholano pa gihapon.
Title: Re: "Filipino" vs. "Boholano/Cebuano/etc..."
Post by: TOPAC on November 28, 2008, 08:48:53 AM
tinoud na slackware... maglalis tawon mi sa akong mga classmate kay patis lagi kuno ng SILVER SWAN.. ang patis sa cebu kay ilang tawagun ug Rufina..

ang ilang "gikutasan" pud kay gikapoy.. liman ka gikan mi nangaon niya gabaklay balik sa school, pag-abot sa room gikutasan na kuno sila.. tsk tsk stk
Title: Re: "Filipino" vs. "Boholano/Cebuano/etc..."
Post by: glacier_71 on November 28, 2008, 11:57:36 AM

lol. bitaw, kasabot man ta ana...pero di man mga tagalog ra ang "Filipino"....haskang hambuga jud ning atong mga silinga oy...
Title: Re: "Filipino" vs. "Boholano/Cebuano/etc..."
Post by: Lorenzo on November 28, 2008, 12:01:16 PM
Its very different for us Filipinos who grew up in the 'states. When we go about our ordinary daily lives, if people incline about one's ethnicity, I usually just say 'Filipino'. Then if the individual asking asks, "So you speak, Tagalog?", then I would infer, "Bisaya" then lecture him about the different languages.

It is only when people incline for further information, does one really need to divulge specifics.

That or if I'm hanging around amongst other Filipinos, then do I say that I'm Bisaya or speak Bisaya.

Depends on the situation, depends on the person I'm talking to.
Title: Re: "Filipino" vs. "Boholano/Cebuano/etc..."
Post by: slackware on November 28, 2008, 04:35:27 PM

naa pay lain... sa cebuano ang term na buto kay para man sa babae pero sa bohol ang term na buto kay sa mga lalaki man! hehehehehe
Title: Re: "Filipino" vs. "Boholano/Cebuano/etc..."
Post by: TOPAC on November 28, 2008, 06:04:46 PM
yea right, slackware!!! hehehe wa pud na sila kasabot ug "palamoot"

kabalo ka magtagalog enzo?
Title: Re: "Filipino" vs. "Boholano/Cebuano/etc..."
Post by: bol-anon nga cebuano on November 28, 2008, 10:41:39 PM
ang mga cebuano wala kahibaw unsa nang banha kay sa cebu ang term ana saba.
Title: Re: "Filipino" vs. "Boholano/Cebuano/etc..."
Post by: slackware on November 28, 2008, 10:46:06 PM
mas broad pa diay ang vocabolary sa mga boholano kay sa mga cebuano?
Title: Re: "Filipino" vs. "Boholano/Cebuano/etc..."
Post by: bol-anon nga cebuano on November 28, 2008, 10:48:32 PM
dili na siya broad brod. lain lain lang ta ug terminologies sa pinulungang bisaya pero sa ngadto ngadto magkasinabot ra man na ba. daghan man gud dialects ang mga bisaya. sama sa ilonggo, cebuano, waray, bol-anon, naa pay binisaya sa mindanao nga lahi sad ug mga terms.

mga example.
sa ilonggo ang sabot lahi sa meaning sa sabot sa cebuano/bol-anon.
sa waray ang sili lahi sa meaning sa sili sa cebuano/bol-anon.
Title: Re: "Filipino" vs. "Boholano/Cebuano/etc..."
Post by: slackware on November 28, 2008, 10:52:13 PM
closely realted ang dialect na boholano ug cebuano pero ang tagabohol makasabot sa lawon na cenebuano pero ang taga cebu dili kasabot sa lawom na binol-ano. wa man gani kaila ug tuyo ng mga cebu? katawa lang mga tagalog
Title: Re: "Filipino" vs. "Boholano/Cebuano/etc..."
Post by: ligiah on November 28, 2008, 11:19:59 PM
if Filipino is our nationality... ang atong tawag sa atong kaugalingon as opposed to other Filipinos (Bisaya, Ilonggo, Tagalog) is what could be termed as regionalism. we tend to specifically stick and associate ourselves with the specific places we come from, aside from claiming our nationality as Filipinos.
Title: Re: "Filipino" vs. "Boholano/Cebuano/etc..."
Post by: glacier_71 on November 29, 2008, 01:46:40 AM
mo-appreciate man gyud tas atong lumadnon nga pinulungan ug sa atong gigikanan...sama sa pagka-bol-anon. apan kung maantigo sad ta maminaw sa ubang
sinultihan, daghan sad tag makat-unan.
Title: Re: "Filipino" vs. "Boholano/Cebuano/etc..."
Post by: A Layman on November 29, 2008, 06:54:24 AM
Tinu-od kaajo na Glace. Kinahanglan jod nga ablihan ang atong mga ulo sa tanang butang nga bag o pa sa atung paminsar para makat unan ni nato ug magamit sa maayong hinungdan. Diha jod nakabintaha ang mga Boholano sa atong pagka resilient ug flexible. Mao nga bisag asa idunggo ang mga Bol-anon molampos gihapon.
Title: Re: "Filipino" vs. "Boholano/Cebuano/etc..."
Post by: Happy on December 04, 2008, 04:22:00 AM
Ngano kahang libugon paman na nila ang ilang utok oi nga bisan pag unsaon nato ug bali-balit-ad Filipino man jud paingon. Kay bisan asang dapita pa sa pilipinas gikan, bisan taga lasang pa, Filipino gihapon na.
Title: Re: "Filipino" vs. "Boholano/Cebuano/etc..."
Post by: A Layman on December 04, 2008, 09:13:34 AM
Ila man gong gipang usab ang mga pangan nato! Sama sa 'Filipino' ug 'Pilipino'. Ngano man nga ang 'P' gialisdan man ug 'F'? Sa atong alpabeto, walay litrang 'F', ngano man kahang wa man nila iapil kanang litraha? Nga unta nagamit man diay sad nato?
Title: Re: "Filipino" vs. "Boholano/Cebuano/etc..."
Post by: glacier_71 on December 04, 2008, 10:04:13 AM
Filipino? Pilipino? Tagalog?
What's the difference?
   

The basis for the Philippine national language is Tagalog, which had primarily been spoken only in Manila and the surrounding provinces when the Commonwealth constitution was drawn up in the early 1930s. That constitution provided for a national language, but did not specifically designate it as Tagalog because of objections raised by representatives from other parts of the country where Tagalog was not spoken. It merely stated that a national language acceptable to the entire populace (and ideally incorporating elements from the diverse languages spoken throughout the islands) would be a future goal. Tagalog, of course, by virtue of being the lingua franca of those who lived in or near the government capital, was the predominant candidate.

By the time work on a new constitution began in the early 1970s, more than half the Philippine citizenry was communicating in Tagalog on a regular basis. (Forty years earlier, it was barely 25 percent.) Spurred on by President Marcos and his dream of a "New Society," nationalist academics focused their efforts on developing a national language — Pilipino, by that time understood to be Tagalog de facto. Neologisms were introduced to enrich the vocabulary and replace words that were of foreign origin. A much-remembered example is "salumpuwit" (literally, "that to support the buttocks") for "chair" to replace the widely adopted, Spanish-derived "silya." Such efforts to nativize the Philippine national language were for naught, however, since words of English and Spanish origin had become an integral part of the language used in the everday and intellectual discourse of Filipinos.

This reality was finally reflected in the constitution composed during the Aquino presidency in the latter half of the 1980s. The national language was labeled Filipino to acknowledge and embrace the existence of and preference for many English- and Spanish-derived words. "Western" letters such as f, j, c, x and z — sounds of which were not indigenous to the islands before the arrival of the Spaniards and the Americans — were included in the official Filipino alphabet.

The aforementioned evolution of the Philippine national language is taught as part of the school curriculum in the Philippines, such that when you ask a Filipino what the national language of the country is, the response is "Filipino." In the same way that there are English (composition, literature...) classes in American elementary, secondary and tertiary schools to teach the national language of the United States, there are Filipino classes (not Tagalog classes; Filipino literature classes, not Tagalog literature classes) in Philippine schools.

So what is the difference between Filipino and Tagalog? Think of Filipino as Tagalog Plus. Filipino is inclusive of the contributions of languages other than Tagalog. For instance, it is quite all right to say "diksyunaryo" (from the Spanish diccionario) in Filipino, whereas a Tagalog purist (or someone stuck in the "Pilipino" era) might insist on a native Tagalog word like "talatinigan." It is also more politically correct to refer to Filipino, not Tagalog, as the Philippine national language. For Filipinos from other parts of the country, Tagalog is not their first language; they learn to speak Filipino because it is constitutionally the national language and taught in schools.

In practical terms, most people, especially Filipinos overseas who have come to realize that foreigners favor "Tagalog" to refer to the Philippine national language, don't strictly differentiate among the words Filipino, Pilipino and Tagalog, and have learned to adapt to how Americans or Canadians perceive the meaning of each word. That is why when you go to a bookstore in North America, for example, you are more likely to find a "Tagalog (or Pilipino) dictionary" than a "Filipino dictionary."

Postscript: Philippino, Philipino and other such misspellings are unacceptable and are jarring to Filipino eyes. Remember: Filipino is the noun that refers to the Philippine national language and to the Philippine people (Filipinos); it is also an adjective to describe people, things and such from the Philippines (the other adjective being Philippine). The country itself is called the Philippines (currently the Republic of the Philippines; formerly, and actually still, the Philippine Islands) in English, Las Islas Filipinas or simply La/Las Filipinas in Spanish, and Pilipinas in Filipino (Tagalog).

Cultural Note: Although the word "Filipino" is acceptable in Filipino (the Philippine language), most Filipinos will still say Pilipino when referring to a Filipino person while speaking in Filipino/Tagalog.

For example: "Ako ay Pilipino." ("I am Filipino.")

Why? Primarily because a "p" sound is easier for a Filipino to pronounce than an "f" sound. In fact, even though the letters c, f, j, x, z, etc. have formally been included in the Philippine/Filipino alphabet, there is still an overwhelming tendency to transliterate foreign words into native pronunciation forms.

Examples: kompyuter, kwalipikasyon, okasyon, kendi, indibidwal, sipilis...
Title: Re: "Filipino" vs. "Boholano/Cebuano/etc..."
Post by: TOPAC on December 04, 2008, 10:11:46 AM
Filipino, Pilipino and Tagalog


By Ricardo Ma. Duran Nolasco
Philippine Daily Inquirer
First Posted 22:46:00 11/14/2008

(ahong gidelete ang opinion ni dr. nolasco kay basin makiha tag violation sa copyright, visit na lang mo sa inquirer or better yet, email your querries directly to the writer)

Dr. Nolasco (rnolasco_upmin@yahoo.com) is a board member of the Linguistic Society of the Philippines, a faculty member of the UP Department of Linguistics and the Foundation for Worldwide People Power’s adviser on Mother Language Education Initiatives.
Title: Re: "Filipino" vs. "Boholano/Cebuano/etc..."
Post by: A Layman on December 04, 2008, 10:37:59 AM
Kalain man sab paminawon kon atong gamiton ang litrang 'f' sa mga lokal nga pangestoryahanay. Sama sa, "Si Fedro ning katkat sa fangfang unya naholug ug na fiang ang iyang faa." Korni, di ba?
Title: Re: "Filipino" vs. "Boholano/Cebuano/etc..."
Post by: TOPAC on December 04, 2008, 10:41:24 AM
sa ilocos naa sila "f". sa ato wala jud
Title: Re: "Filipino" vs. "Boholano/Cebuano/etc..."
Post by: Moyhua on December 04, 2008, 11:04:48 AM
Nationality is Filipino.
Language is Filipino.
Title: Re: "Filipino" vs. "Boholano/Cebuano/etc..."
Post by: A Layman on December 04, 2008, 11:22:19 AM
Mao nay giingon nila nga dili kono dali magkasinabot ang Ilocano ug Boholano. Imposible kono silang himoong lifetime partners, sama sa kaminyoon. Tinood ba ni?
Title: Re: "Filipino" vs. "Boholano/Cebuano/etc..."
Post by: Moyhua on December 04, 2008, 11:26:11 AM
Mao ba. Why man?

3 years married nako to my Ilocano hubby.

I will ask Lindy pod.
Title: Re: "Filipino" vs. "Boholano/Cebuano/etc..."
Post by: A Layman on December 04, 2008, 11:27:02 AM
Sige, pangutana ka sa uban ngano man lagi!
Title: Re: "Filipino" vs. "Boholano/Cebuano/etc..."
Post by: Moyhua on December 04, 2008, 11:32:53 AM
If you have faith and put Christ as the centre of your lives as husband and wife or father and mother, wla man cguro'y impossible.

I am thankful enough to my husband's family and relatives for being there as my second family and home. Depende cguro na kung unsay brought up pagka Ilocano.

Kung man unsa gani imo nahibaw-an about Ilocano and Boholano, feel free to share Layman.
Title: Re: "Filipino" vs. "Boholano/Cebuano/etc..."
Post by: A Layman on December 04, 2008, 12:17:43 PM
Angie, ikaw Boholana ug ang imong banana Ilokano. Pwede na basta ba nagkasinabot mong duha. Pero ang Boholano ug Ilokano di jod pwedeng mahimong magtiayon labi na diri sa Pinas.
Title: Re: "Filipino" vs. "Boholano/Cebuano/etc..."
Post by: TOPAC on December 04, 2008, 12:49:13 PM
ang boholano ug ilocano pareha ug origin. mao nay muexplain nganung ilado ang mga taga bohol ug ilocos as kuripot. boholanos are often referred to as "ilocanos of the south". kabantay mo sa bohol, way claro jud nga industry sa ato except sa agriculture and tourism pero left and right ang mga bangko sa cpg avenue.

mao siguro dili pwede mulangtod ang relationship sa boholano and ilocano kay basin ang mga anak puro malnourish kay wa nay kaon-kaon.hehehe lisud man ug both spouses puro tipid. dapat balanse siguro. opposites attract man daw. nya, ang ilocano ug boholana dili man opposites, so dili sila mag-attract..lol

N.B.: sa pagkakarun, the difference between old and new money sa bohol makita na. medjo gastador na ang mga bag-ong tubo, not knowing how much their forefathers sacrificed to send them to the best schools they know/can afford.
Title: Re: "Filipino" vs. "Boholano/Cebuano/etc..."
Post by: Moyhua on December 04, 2008, 01:00:45 PM
"mao siguro dili pwede mulangtod ang relationship sa boholano and ilocano kay basin ang mga anak puro malnourish kay wa nay kaon-kaon.hehehe lisud man ug both spouses puro tipid."


Kadtong mga Ilocano og Bol-anon nga mga gutom nga mag ti-ajon, ari lng mo sa among balay. Libre pagka-on.
Title: Re: "Filipino" vs. "Boholano/Cebuano/etc..."
Post by: A Layman on December 04, 2008, 01:46:55 PM
Angie, ang Boholana ug Ilokano pwede na sila mag minyo. Pero ang Boholano ug Ilokano dili jod pwede.
Title: Re: "Filipino" vs. "Boholano/Cebuano/etc..."
Post by: Moyhua on December 04, 2008, 01:51:56 PM
Gotcha!

You make me smile :) . Night,night Layman.
Title: Re: "Filipino" vs. "Boholano/Cebuano/etc..."
Post by: A Layman on December 04, 2008, 01:54:19 PM
Kuha na nimo, no? LOL
Title: Re: "Filipino" vs. "Boholano/Cebuano/etc..."
Post by: lindy on December 04, 2008, 03:27:06 PM

Bai, akong waswet kay Ilokana man pero wala man ko kakita ining inyong giingon. Kugihan man mag shopping.
Title: Re: "Filipino" vs. "Boholano/Cebuano/etc..."
Post by: A Layman on December 04, 2008, 03:45:54 PM
Bai sorry...ang imong asawa dili Ilokano, Ilokana na sya, di ba?
Title: Re: "Filipino" vs. "Boholano/Cebuano/etc..."
Post by: TOPAC on December 04, 2008, 04:55:09 PM
ahak sad nis layman! kabantay ko bay pero i thought general imu pagkagamit sa ilocano ug boholano...

sir lindy, no offense meant, basin mao na ang giingun nga difference sa old and new money..

old money: if you have it, hide it;
new money: if you have it, show it.
Title: Re: "Filipino" vs. "Boholano/Cebuano/etc..."
Post by: Lorenzo on December 04, 2008, 04:58:05 PM
Either you are Boholano, Maranao, Illocano, Illongo, Quezonian, Manilian etc.,

Beyond the arbitrary notion and human perception of regionalism, one thing is definite.
That we all share similar genetic traits, similar ethnic composition. Of the Malayan racial stock. One thing differentiates The Filipino from his Malayan brothers in Indonesia and Malaysia.

It is religion alone.

We are Christian, for the most part, and they, Muslim.

So, look beyond the regionalist tendencies that has plagued the mindset of our people, even before the arrival of the Spaniards.

Angie pointed it out perfectly,
"Nationality Filipino
 Language Filipino"

:)
Title: Re: "Filipino" vs. "Boholano/Cebuano/etc..."
Post by: lindy on December 04, 2008, 07:45:19 PM
Ambot unsa katinuod apan ang mga Ilokano daw didto sa Hawai kay dili man moangkon nga sila Filipino but they are Ilokano. Basin jaga jaga ra pod ning ila.
Title: Re: "Filipino" vs. "Boholano/Cebuano/etc..."
Post by: -<GEC348>- on December 04, 2008, 07:53:54 PM



I am a Boholano trapped in a Filipino citizenship  ;D


Title: Re: "Filipino" vs. "Boholano/Cebuano/etc..."
Post by: slackware on December 04, 2008, 09:13:27 PM

tinood jud na! based on my personal experience. wala moy idea kun unsa ang term na "Ilokanong Bato". kun naa pa lagi kuno expiration ang kwarta, perteng daghan jud kunio kwarta mo expire.
Title: Re: "Filipino" vs. "Boholano/Cebuano/etc..."
Post by: bol-anon nga cebuano on December 05, 2008, 06:25:32 AM
basin kaniadto ra nang batasana sa mga ilokano nga kuripot. pero murag tinuod jud si siguro kay kana lang daan si ex-gov chavit singson, known gud na nga dato ngari. pero nganong nagpalibre pa man siya ug plane ticket, hotel accommodation ug boxing ticket ni manny pacquiao? kay kuno amigo ug close sila. kadako anang kantidara nga nagasto ni pacquiao para lang niya kay sure jud nga dili na modawat ug economy si chavit, business class jud na sa plane, suite sa hotel (MGM grand) ug ringside ticket. niapil pa jud ug saka sa stage adtong pag final presscon bisan walay labot. tsk tsk tsk.
Title: Re: "Filipino" vs. "Boholano/Cebuano/etc..."
Post by: aira_galope on December 05, 2008, 09:10:19 AM

I consider myself.....(http://i31.tinypic.com/iyikc1.jpg)

simple question pinapagulo ntin, makababayan Filipino po tyo, being boholano,cebuano etc.... kung saan sa Pinas tyo nanggaling but ns Pinas tyo. kung ns ibang bansa tyo when they ask ...
what counrty are you from?
Philippines.
What is your citizenship?
Filipino.
and when they ask
Where in the philippines are you from?
and then we can say ...
we are from Bohol,Cebu,Mnl etc....(http://i26.tinypic.com/2l8e0si.jpg)
Title: Re: "Filipino" vs. "Boholano/Cebuano/etc..."
Post by: Moyhua on December 05, 2008, 10:31:13 AM

Korek jud ka Manong Lindy, magutom kung parehas tapulan.
Title: Re: "Filipino" vs. "Boholano/Cebuano/etc..."
Post by: Moyhua on December 05, 2008, 10:33:43 AM

Kay ang una konong Pinoy sa Hawaii kay Ilocano man. Mao proud jud cguro sila sa ilang lahing Ilocano/a.
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