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Market Value for Registered Nurses in the Philippines
« on: August 04, 2008, 05:21:04 PM »
MARKET VALUE....???

Maka-taas ba diay na og market value na'ng ma-RN sa Pilipinas?  According to UNESCO and UN-ILO (International Labor Organization) joint research statistics, the Northern American and European Union demand for nurses have plummeted to staggering depths over the last 2 years.  [I can't reveal the statistics yet since they have not yet been published by the main offices.]

It has plummeted in a manner so devastating such that even American and European nurses are having a difficulty finding jobs in their own countries.  And did you know that to be an RN in those countries, you only need 2 years in university studies?  And bogbog-sarado mo diri sa Pilipinas og 4 years (even 5 years in some schools).

So karon, ang nahitabo sa mga nurses nila mismo: ni-proceed og human health development courses, science courses, or medical technology. And after that, ni-venture sila into research jobs for pharmaceutical companies, stem cell research and such. Others, ningsulod og medical schools to become doctors.

Believe me. The real figures are classified information as of the moment but the entire situation is not new information.  This entire "Philippine nurse-overload" fiasco has been predicted by UNESCO as early as two years ago when the demand was at its peak.  And the prediction was published in UN newsletters. Tell all of your friends. Pag-call center na lang mo ui or what have you nga maka-earn mo, just as long as it's an adequate and honest source of income.  Business Process Outsourcing, business ventures, agricultural ventures, engineering, law... These are viable sources of income for Filipinos.  And you're better off here with these kinds of jobs.  Kung manggawas hinuon mo, daghan kaayong mag-salig ninyo with the notion that you've been picking up dollars like Sweeney Todd has been getting customers in his barber shop for Mrs. Lovett to turn into meat pies.

Maayo pa nang naa mo diri and they could see how you work.  And then when opportunities arise, go flee the country for good.  Leave the negative people behind.  They will only hold you back.  And if obliged man gani ka mopadala og money to your family, give them enough. Never give too much just to feed their caprice.  Mao na'y sakit sa mga Pinoy nga hambogiro kaayo nga naa'y kamag-anak sa gawas.  Wa sila ka-realize og unsa kalisod ilang kayod didto and they burn money as if they've been shaken off olive trees.  Give out of love so they could feel it.  And never allow them to take pride nga naa sila'y anak nga NURSE or CAREGIVER sa gawas sa nasod.  That's preposterous.  Be proud of yourself if you achieve such a feat but never allow others to take the pride elsewhere.  That's a dire misconception.  That would be false pride.  They should pray for you hinuon kay by sending you away as overseas NURSES or BLUE COLLAR WORKERS, they are subjecting your health to certain jeopardy.

I hope this will be an eye opener.

A little piece of advice from a UN volunteer worker for those who are in high school, those who are contemplating to shift to BSN, those professionals who are not satisfied with their jobs and want to proceed to BSN (most especially doctors who are planning to degrade their degrees):

DO NOT STUDY NURSING IF IT'S JUST BECAUSE YOU THINK IT WILL LAND YOU A GOOD JOB ABROAD.

IF CARING FOR PEOPLE IS YOUR PASSION, THEN GO STUDY NURSING.  BUT LET THAT BE THE REASON... NOT BECAUSE GI-PUGOS KA SA IMONG PAMILYA OR YOU FEEL FORCED BY THE SOCIAL BANDWAGON KAY "IN" SIYA NOWADAYS.  THAT'S AN ARCHAIC PERSPECTIVE.

WHAT WAS SEEN AS THE MOST PRACTICAL CAREER TWO YEARS AGO HAS BECOME THE MOST IMPRACTICAL IDEA OF TRANSCENDENCE FROM POVERTY. MAHAL PA ANG GASTOS, UNYA IN THE END, DI PA JUD KA KAKUHA OG TRABAHO! SUS GINOO KO! UNSAON NA LANG INTAWON...

DO WHAT YOU WANT TO DO WITH YOUR LIFE... INVOKE THAT SPARK OF CREATIVITY WITHIN YOU!

THIS ADVICE ALSO GOES FOR PARENTS WHO FORCE THEIR CHILDREN TO TAKE UP NURSING... YOU'RE KILLING THEM... LET THEM DO WHAT THEY WANT, FOR GOD'S SAKE... FOR THEIR OWN FUTURE'S SAKE! FOR THEIR LIVES' SAKE!

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Re: Market Value for Registered Nurses in the Philippines
« Reply #1 on: August 04, 2008, 05:31:23 PM »
In addition, many lawyers and fiscals have abandoned the law profession as they are now enrolled in nursing schools.

I had a bad experience in hospitals sa ato in which some nurses are just buying time with their hospital jobs as they wait for their visas. I saw male nurses in Cebu who smoked cigarette at the hospital.

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Re: Market Value for Registered Nurses in the Philippines
« Reply #2 on: August 04, 2008, 05:34:20 PM »
In addition, many lawyers and fiscals have abandoned the law profession as they are now enrolled in nursing schools.

I had a bad experience in hospitals sa ato in which some nurses are just buying time with their hospital jobs as they wait for their visas. I saw male nurses in Cebu who smoked cigarette at the hospital.

this situation has clearly gone overboard...

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Re: Market Value for Registered Nurses in the Philippines
« Reply #3 on: August 04, 2008, 05:49:47 PM »
"DO NOT STUDY NURSING IF IT'S JUST BECAUSE YOU THINK IT WILL LAND YOU A GOOD JOB ABROAD.

IF CARING FOR PEOPLE IS YOUR PASSION, THEN GO STUDY NURSING.  BUT LET THAT BE THE REASON... NOT BECAUSE GI-PUGOS KA SA IMONG PAMILYA OR YOU FEEL FORCED BY THE SOCIAL BANDWAGON KAY "IN" SIYA NOWADAYS.  THAT'S AN ARCHAIC PERSPECTIVE.

WHAT WAS SEEN AS THE MOST PRACTICAL CAREER TWO YEARS AGO HAS BECOME THE MOST IMPRACTICAL IDEA OF TRANSCENDENCE FROM POVERTY.

DO WHAT YOU WANT TO DO WITH YOUR LIFE... INVOKE THAT SPARK OF CREATIVITY WITHIN YOU!

THIS ADVICE ALSO GOES FOR PARENTS WHO FORCE THEIR CHILDREN TO TAKE UP NURSING... YOU'RE KILLING THEM... LET THEM DO WHAT THEY WANT, FOR GOD'S SAKE... FOR THEIR OWN FUTURE'S SAKE! FOR THEIR LIVES' SAKE"

Mao jod.

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Re: Market Value for Registered Nurses in the Philippines
« Reply #4 on: August 04, 2008, 05:57:26 PM »
I wrote that and started this thread because I feel so devastated as a friend for my friends who are now registered nurses but then aren't able to move forward because they can't get jobs anywhere.  This quandary owes to the fact that there just aren't enough jobs for them anymore. It really makes me sad.

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Re: Market Value for Registered Nurses in the Philippines
« Reply #5 on: August 04, 2008, 10:05:26 PM »
I agree with you here. Nurse gani ko but I opt to work here in the Philippines. My country needs me. non-full-time nurse lang ko. dalikyat pod skwela kunohay sa BigFoot. imbis ang uban nanggi.nursing, ako nurse na daan nya ni-ambak og film! weeeee!

Mabuhay ang Pilipinas! wahehehe!

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Re: Market Value for Registered Nurses in the Philippines
« Reply #6 on: August 04, 2008, 10:13:49 PM »
Nursing is the most indemand profession 5 years back that many doctors studied nursing as a stepping stone for going to the US. But as per Mr. Bennelyn, Japanese hospitals are now employing Indonesian nurses. Other countries are now employing Chinese and Malaysian nurses as cheap alternative. Nursing in these countries are a two year course compared to 5 years standard. I considered them as fake nurses.

With cheap competition, we will end up being a country of "nurses without doctors" instead of "doctors without borders".

With the growing population of senior citizens, these so called fake nurses are now utilized as caregivers or midwives. They are a big threat to our genuine nurses. Our nurses should not accept such jobs which are humiliating to thier sacred profession.

I remembered the famous expression when I was in college: "Agay nars"

In any case, you should not force your children to take up courses which are against thier passion. It is like a forced marriage.

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Re: Market Value for Registered Nurses in the Philippines
« Reply #7 on: August 04, 2008, 10:20:50 PM »
" you should not force your children to take up courses which are against thier passion. It is like a forced marriage."

Thumbs up!

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Re: Market Value for Registered Nurses in the Philippines
« Reply #8 on: August 04, 2008, 10:23:42 PM »
Bon, everything you said is true!

very true!

I wish ma post nimo na imong article sa mga magazine or any reading resources sa Pinas!

para mana sabut ang mga Pinoy!

P.S. ako na i paste sa akong BLOG!

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Re: Market Value for Registered Nurses in the Philippines
« Reply #9 on: August 04, 2008, 10:24:35 PM »
Other countries are now employing Chinese and Malaysian nurses as cheap alternative. Nursing in these countries are a two year course compared to 5 years standard. I considered them as fake nurses.

dili pod fake uy. In the US, it's two years baya gihapon. I should know. I've lived there before.  And they do as well in exams as those who took it as a bachelor's degree.

bytheway, about that "agay nars" expression, that's funny! it's a running joke where I work. that expression still exists nowadays.

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Re: Market Value for Registered Nurses in the Philippines
« Reply #10 on: August 04, 2008, 10:26:38 PM »
Nursing is the most indemand profession 5 years back that many doctors studied nursing as a stepping stone for going to the US. But as per Mr. Bennelyn, Japanese hospitals are now employing Indonesian nurses. Other countries are now employing Chinese and Malaysian nurses as cheap alternative. Nursing in these countries are a two year course compared to 5 years standard. I considered them as fake nurses.

With cheap competition, we will end up being a country of "nurses without doctors" instead of "doctors without borders".

With the growing population of senior citizens, these so called fake nurses are now utilized as caregivers or midwives. They are a big threat to our genuine nurses. Our nurses should not accept such jobs which are humiliating to thier sacred profession.

I remembered the famous expression when I was in college: "Agay nars"

In any case, you should not force your children to take up courses which are against thier passion. It is like a forced marriage.

Well, competition will always opt for a cheaper alternative. That's one of the adversities causing our downfall. But we can't force them to pick our nurses.  So, the problem still remains.

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« Reply #11 on: August 04, 2008, 10:29:04 PM »
Bon, everything you said is true!

very true!

I wish ma post nimo na imong article sa mga magazine or any reading resources sa Pinas!

para mana sabut ang mga Pinoy!

P.S. ako na i paste sa akong BLOG!

Thanks for agreeing, Belle... Yes, I'll have this published... add that to my list of concerns.. heheh!... awareness is important jud!... sakto ka...

sure!.. by all means... thanks for posting... heheh!...

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« Reply #12 on: August 04, 2008, 10:33:26 PM »
I agree with you here. Nurse gani ko but I opt to work here in the Philippines. My country needs me. non-full-time nurse lang ko. dalikyat pod skwela kunohay sa BigFoot. imbis ang uban nanggi.nursing, ako nurse na daan nya ni-ambak og film! weeeee!

Mabuhay ang Pilipinas! wahehehe!

pa-unique pud ka ha... you're among the few whom I know of nga nurses daan nga ni-proceed og other line discipline... apart, of course, from those who proceeded to medicine... heheh!

bigfoot pa jud!!... what imo specialization?... I have friends there...

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Re: Market Value for Registered Nurses in the Philippines
« Reply #13 on: August 04, 2008, 10:33:57 PM »
Nursing is the most indemand profession 5 years back that many doctors studied nursing as a stepping stone for going to the US. But as per Mr. Bennelyn, Japanese hospitals are now employing Indonesian nurses. Other countries are now employing Chinese and Malaysian nurses as cheap alternative. Nursing in these countries are a two year course compared to 5 years standard. I considered them as fake nurses.


Macky ang Nursing Proprer is only 2 years with all the clinical studies (hands on)...

ang ngaka dugay sa Nursing is the pre requisite mao nang mga English 101 to i dont remember...

ang naka lahi sa 2 year courses kay ila ra gi require ang high school nga pre requisites...

mao nga they still can be called a Nurse pero taman ra sila sa floor (like taking care or giving meds) sa patiends

those two year courses nga Nurse have limited responsibilities, yes they can inject patiends meds but...

They are not allowed to do some delicated needle work like drawing blood and inserting and giving Intavienous meds...

dili sad na sila pwede mahimong DON's, kanang mo lead sa stations...

pero they are NUrses jud tinuod, dili fake... ;D ;D ;D

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Re: Market Value for Registered Nurses in the Philippines
« Reply #14 on: August 04, 2008, 10:37:27 PM »
Nursing is the most indemand profession 5 years back that many doctors studied nursing as a stepping stone for going to the US. But as per Mr. Bennelyn, Japanese hospitals are now employing Indonesian nurses. Other countries are now employing Chinese and Malaysian nurses as cheap alternative. Nursing in these countries are a two year course compared to 5 years standard. I considered them as fake nurses.


Macky ang Nursing Proprer is only 2 years with all the clinical studies (hands on)...

ang ngaka dugay sa Nursing is the pre requisite mao nang mga English 101 to i dont remember...

ang naka lahi sa 2 year courses kay ila ra gi require ang high school nga pre requisites...

mao nga they still can be called a Nurse pero taman ra sila sa floor (like taking care or giving meds) sa patiends

those two year courses nga Nurse have limited responsibilities, yes they can inject patiends meds but...

They are not allowed to do some delicated needle work like drawing blood and inserting and giving Intavienous meds...

dili sad na sila pwede mahimong DON's, kanang mo lead sa stations...

pero they are NUrses jud tinuod, dili fake... ;D ;D ;D

exactly! maluoy lang pod ta anang tawhon intawon og fake. makahilak man pod ta ana og lemon juice... hihihi......

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Re: Market Value for Registered Nurses in the Philippines
« Reply #15 on: August 04, 2008, 10:38:35 PM »
ka halang ba ! hahahhahahhahha

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« Reply #16 on: August 04, 2008, 10:40:00 PM »
pa-unique pud ka ha... you're among the few whom I know of nga nurses daan nga ni-proceed og other line discipline... apart, of course, from those who proceeded to medicine... heheh!

bigfoot pa jud!!... what imo specialization?... I have friends there...

video graphics editing and film directing ako specialization. really, you hav friends here? specifically who? maybe kaila ko nila.

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« Reply #17 on: August 04, 2008, 10:43:16 PM »
exactly! maluoy lang pod ta anang tawhon intawon og fake. makahilak man pod ta ana og lemon juice... hihihi......

hahahah!... buang2x man ka, vins! hahahahah!... of all the things... halang jud, Belle...

by the way, duha akong friends dinha.. Ketchieliene Dacuya and Raymond Villas.. ring any bells?

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« Reply #18 on: August 04, 2008, 11:28:02 PM »
nursing graduates are no longer accepted sa call centers..

HR noticed naman gud nga himuon rang palipas oras ang call center..

they don't know every AWOL or resignation from a 2 month palang nga agent/trainee costs millions!

i got sad nga dili na sila dawaton.. dili lalim maging nurse..

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« Reply #19 on: August 04, 2008, 11:49:35 PM »
Vinsent, ask Bon bon, he might know somebody about directing. Also ask Ligiah of Tubag Bohol. Her father is a stage actor. I like your fun loving attitude.

So, balik sa topic, mas sophisticated atong mga nurses kay completo sila sa mga sciences including Chemistry. Classmate ang mga Engineering ug Nursing for 4 semesters sa Chemistry. Mao nga magkadayon kasagaran ang Engineering ug Nursing.

Sa US, mao nga 2 years ra ang nursing kay naa na man ila Grade 7 ug Grade 8.

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« Reply #20 on: August 06, 2008, 11:11:28 AM »
hahahah!... buang2x man ka, vins! hahahahah!... of all the things... halang jud, Belle...

by the way, duha akong friends dinha.. Ketchieliene Dacuya and Raymond Villas.. ring any bells?

exactly! ikaw kuno ingon og fake. mohilak jud ko no. huhuhu!....... hahahah!...
omigod! i know Raymond. klasmeyt mi sa repertory....... what a small word! he's gay man, bonbon. he tried to hit on me before even in front of my girl. waaaaaaa! magmeet mi unya at class. manlibak mi nimo. ahyahahah!!


nursing graduates are no longer accepted sa call centers..

HR noticed naman gud nga himuon rang palipas oras ang call center..

they don't know every AWOL or resignation from a 2 month palang nga agent/trainee costs millions!

i got sad nga dili na sila dawaton.. dili lalim maging nurse..

yah. mao gyud. tama ka. prejudiced na man gud ang mga BPO nga mu-AWOL ang mga nurses nila once they get jobs. daghan na kaayong bad experiences sila with regards to nurses.

it's not easy being me, no! i even tried to apply sa PS and TeleTech before but they declined my application just because of the three letters (BSN). awch!

by the way, how would I address you in a single-syllable manner?

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Re: Market Value for Registered Nurses in the Philippines
« Reply #21 on: August 06, 2008, 12:03:54 PM »
Vinsent, ask Bon bon, he might know somebody about directing. Also ask Ligiah of Tubag Bohol. Her father is a stage actor. I like your fun loving attitude.

So, balik sa topic, mas sophisticated atong mga nurses kay completo sila sa mga sciences including Chemistry. Classmate ang mga Engineering ug Nursing for 4 semesters sa Chemistry. Mao nga magkadayon kasagaran ang Engineering ug Nursing.

Sa US, mao nga 2 years ra ang nursing kay naa na man ila Grade 7 ug Grade 8.

ask Bonbon? unsa man diay na siya gyud? would he have such connections? and I could see sa iyang avatar nga chika kaayo sila ni Bea Zobel. laysho ang bu**** ay! ok, I'll ask Ligiah once I find her on the registry. hehehe....... wow, fun-loving diay gyud ha. thanks. "igot" would be a more appropriate term. that's what everyone at work uses to describe cute little me. hihi!

yeah, the prolonged preliminary studies period does explain the 2-year course in nursing....... oh well, things are way different here...... sakto jud na, my girlfriend is an engineer pud.......

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Re: Market Value for Registered Nurses in the Philippines
« Reply #22 on: August 06, 2008, 12:30:22 PM »
nursing graduates are no longer accepted sa call centers..

HR noticed naman gud nga himuon rang palipas oras ang call center..

they don't know every AWOL or resignation from a 2 month palang nga agent/trainee costs millions!

i got sad nga dili na sila dawaton.. dili lalim maging nurse..

yah. mao gyud. tama ka. prejudiced na man gud ang mga BPO nga mu-AWOL ang mga nurses nila once they get jobs. daghan na kaayong bad experiences sila with regards to nurses.

it's not easy being me, no! i even tried to apply sa PS and TeleTech before but they declined my application just because of the three letters (BSN). awch!

by the way, how would I address you in a single-syllable manner?

need I say more?.. this is a very poignant fiasco jud!.. they're finding it hard to seek employment apart from medical related jobs because of the AWOL prejudice they have been branded with... and most of them bya kay dili jud passion nga mag-nurse.. nangapugos lang tungod sa diktar sa ilang parents... and mao'y gidangat nga di na hinuon sila kakita og trabaho...

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« Reply #23 on: August 06, 2008, 12:35:09 PM »
kusog hiring nurses sa middle east

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« Reply #24 on: August 06, 2008, 12:36:23 PM »
Bon, naigo jud ko ana! sus suko akong anak nako, 3rd year na sha ning undang jud na, tua na sa call center!

Ingon si banana pasagdi lang kay bata pa kaajo, 19 pa gud sha ug mo graduate sha!

Dayun ang mga hospitals di sad mo dawat ana ka bata nga nurse diri sa Merika!

I suggested nija nga mag filming para maka work diri, di sad! barriotic kaajo! bahala sha oi!

ang filming maka work jud diri bisan ginagmay pero very descent kaajo sa hollywood,

bisan unsa nga nationality, ang film industry modawat jud basta creative lang ka...

mao nga i let her go oi! lagut unta ko but you gave me an idea dear! it is bad! ingon akong amiga taga bukid daw ko! hahaha

it was my fault, ga usik usik lang ko ug datung! after that,

sija nay bahala sa ija kaugalingon when she feel like coming to the states kay mag student loan nalang sha!



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« Reply #25 on: August 06, 2008, 12:40:09 PM »
exactly! ikaw kuno ingon og fake. mohilak jud ko no. huhuhu!....... hahahah!...
omigod! i know Raymond. klasmeyt mi sa repertory....... what a small word! he's gay man, bonbon. he tried to hit on me before even in front of my girl. waaaaaaa! magmeet mi unya at class. manlibak mi nimo. ahyahahah!!

Small freakin' world, indeed!... he's got an amazing voice,,, mesmerizing jud!... you'd fall into a trance when you hear him sing... di ba?.. I know he's gay.. we had a thingy-thing-thing before.. hehe!.. but that was way back.. over a year ago, I guess... heheheh! crybaby pud na siya uih!... grabe!.. but he's really good... reaaaallyy good!... in singing bah!... heheH!...

sige gow!... libaka jud ko! haha!

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« Reply #26 on: August 06, 2008, 12:53:33 PM »
Bon, naigo jud ko ana! sus suko akong anak nako, 3rd year na sha ning undang jud na, tua na sa call center!

Ingon si banana pasagdi lang kay bata pa kaajo, 19 pa gud sha ug mo graduate sha!

Dayun ang mga hospitals di sad mo dawat ana ka bata nga nurse diri sa Merika!

I suggested nija nga mag filming para maka work diri, di sad! barriotic kaajo! bahala sha oi!

ang filming maka work jud diri bisan ginagmay pero very descent kaajo sa hollywood,

bisan unsa nga nationality, ang film industry modawat jud basta creative lang ka...

mao nga i let her go oi! lagut unta ko but you gave me an idea dear! it is bad! ingon akong amiga taga bukid daw ko! hahaha

it was my fault, ga usik usik lang ko ug datung! after that,

sija nay bahala sa ija kaugalingon when she feel like coming to the states kay mag student loan nalang sha!



hahahah!... well, we could all learn from our mistakes...

the film industry is great!... I should know... I used to work with the SU-KMC at my former university... but it really takes heart... di jud mu-succeed if wala sa kasing2x.. if wala'y passion... you have to love it to have it!.. heheh!

bitaw uih... if getting a student loan is a viable solution for her, then gow!.. not all times are easy... hehehe~!.. oki ra nah...

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« Reply #27 on: August 06, 2008, 01:04:12 PM »
Small freakin' world, indeed!... he's got an amazing voice,,, mesmerizing jud!... you'd fall into a trance when you hear him sing... di ba?.. I know he's gay.. we had a thingy-thing-thing before.. hehe!.. but that was way back.. over a year ago, I guess... heheheh! crybaby pud na siya uih!... grabe!.. but he's really good... reaaaallyy good!... in singing bah!... heheH!...

sige gow!... libaka jud ko! haha!

whoash!....... di na man ka ma-reach Bon uy! naka-ilan ka na ba? yes, I love his voic too! he's like an angel when he sings...... ala-David Archuleta..... heavenly! bwahahaha! crybaby indeed! napa-iyak ko na yun! hmmmmm...... really good in singing but sa singing lang ba???... bwahahahah!

libakon gyud ka namo....... I'll ask him about your escapades!

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« Reply #28 on: August 06, 2008, 02:01:45 PM »
whoash!....... di na man ka ma-reach Bon uy! naka-ilan ka na ba? yes, I love his voic too! he's like an angel when he sings...... ala-David Archuleta..... heavenly! bwahahaha! crybaby indeed! napa-iyak ko na yun! hmmmmm...... really good in singing but sa singing lang ba???... bwahahahah!

libakon gyud ka namo....... I'll ask him about your escapades!

naka-ilan na ako? hmmm.. I don't keep track.. nyahaha!... bitaw, Vins! he really does sound like David A.. OMG!.. I can remember that time when I attended his brother's wedding and he sang.. grabe.. very clear voice.. idol niya si Lea Salonga bya.. pareha mi... yeee!

of course he's good in some other things... I don't have to blurt it out here.. you know nah.. hehehe!.. but that was just before ha... you made him cry?.. how? why? sige, libaka jud ko ninyo...

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« Reply #29 on: August 06, 2008, 04:12:16 PM »
naka-ilan na ako? hmmm.. I don't keep track.. nyahaha!... bitaw, Vins! he really does sound like David A.. OMG!.. I can remember that time when I attended his brother's wedding and he sang.. grabe.. very clear voice.. idol niya si Lea Salonga bya.. pareha mi... yeee!

of course he's good in some other things... I don't have to blurt it out here.. you know nah.. hehehe!.. but that was just before ha... you made him cry?.. how? why? sige, libaka jud ko ninyo...

crap! you forgot how many you've had? you must've had a lot, man! di mareach da!
and oh my gohhhhd! i LOVE Lea Salonga! s***! pareha na ta tulo... weeeeeeee!.......

I thought so. and about that why-and-how-i-made-him-cry thingy, long story. sa text na lang if you give me your number. please?????????

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« Reply #30 on: August 06, 2008, 06:19:33 PM »
vins, raymond villas is rey ba? is he the villas who is a PE teacher in HNU?

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« Reply #31 on: August 07, 2008, 02:05:37 AM »
need I say more?.. this is a very poignant fiasco jud!.. they're finding it hard to seek employment apart from medical related jobs because of the AWOL prejudice they have been branded with... and most of them bya kay dili jud passion nga mag-nurse.. nangapugos lang tungod sa diktar sa ilang parents... and mao'y gidangat nga di na hinuon sila kakita og trabaho...

mao jud.. samot na ang uban nga ga nursing lang to grant their parent's wish or parent's childhood frustration.. wew`

@vinsent. lage! ako gane perme ko pangutan-on if i still have plans to review for the CPA board.. i had a hard time explaining  jud sa HR nga i won't anymore... call me kiams

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« Reply #32 on: August 07, 2008, 09:39:31 AM »
mao jud.. samot na ang uban nga ga nursing lang to grant their parent's wish or parent's childhood frustration.. wew`

@vinsent. lage! ako gane perme ko pangutan-on if i still have plans to review for the CPA board.. i had a hard time explaining  jud sa HR nga i won't anymore... call me kiams

mang-intrude ko sa imong message para kay Vins ha... Accountancy grad diay ka, Kiams?... heheh!.. karon pa ko dah!

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« Reply #33 on: August 08, 2008, 12:10:33 AM »
vins, raymond villas is rey ba? is he the villas who is a PE teacher in HNU?
that PE teacher villas? i know him. i can't say anything.

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« Reply #34 on: August 08, 2008, 09:21:10 AM »
vins, raymond villas is rey ba? is he the villas who is a PE teacher in HNU?

I don't know of any Rey Villas nga teacher sa HNU. but ang Raymond nga akong na-ilhan is from Angeles, Pampanga. and he's only 21, i don't think nakawork sya dha sa Bohol.

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« Reply #35 on: August 08, 2008, 09:21:34 AM »
that PE teacher villas? i know him. i can't say anything.

ngano man diay na sya? anything notably wrong about him? hihi!

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« Reply #36 on: August 08, 2008, 06:53:31 PM »
I don't know of any Rey Villas nga teacher sa HNU. but ang Raymond nga akong na-ilhan is from Angeles, Pampanga. and he's only 21, i don't think nakawork sya dha sa Bohol.

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« Reply #37 on: August 08, 2008, 09:28:08 PM »
vins, raymond villas is rey ba? is he the villas who is a PE teacher in HNU?

hala... kaila ko ani pud nga Rey Villas... HNU ko b4!... ngano man diay ni siya?

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« Reply #38 on: August 08, 2008, 09:40:50 PM »
hala... kaila ko ani pud nga Rey Villas... HNU ko b4!... ngano man diay ni siya?

he is a friend,hehehe! we used to bump each other at CNU grounds when i was still taking my masters.wala naman gud koy contact niya.

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« Reply #39 on: August 08, 2008, 10:09:40 PM »
he is a friend,hehehe! we used to bump each other at CNU grounds when i was still taking my masters.wala naman gud koy contact niya.

ahhhh. okay... kana bya siya kay libakon sa akong mga classmates before and I really don't know why... especially sa akong mga classmates nga naa sa PEP squad... pero di ko apil ha.. wa man gud ko kaayo kaila niya...

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« Reply #40 on: August 08, 2008, 10:26:35 PM »
ngano man diay na sya? anything notably wrong about him? hihi!
i don't him personally. wala sad ko kita ana nya. akong migo maoy nagsulti nako nga grabe ka chickboy ning maestroha. iyang uyab nga under aning tawhana hapit jud mada. lagota lagi sa akong migo. ambot naa pa ba kaha na siya diha ron ug ulitawo pa ba. wala naman sad mi nagkita sa akong migo kay nagminyo naman sila atong iyang uyab.

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« Reply #41 on: August 09, 2008, 12:55:58 PM »
no comment na lang ko,heehehhe!

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« Reply #42 on: August 09, 2008, 08:58:13 PM »
this thread has turned into a discussion about Rey Villas. that's quite weird. hahahaha!

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« Reply #43 on: August 09, 2008, 09:35:50 PM »
this thread has turned into a discussion about Rey Villas. that's quite weird. hahahaha!

not really! it was just a mention and that's why i didn't comment na para dili mafocus sa iya since dili baya tawn sya member diri.

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« Reply #44 on: August 09, 2008, 10:31:47 PM »
namuot ko ni Bol-anon nga Cebuano kay she thought i was studying nursing at BigFoot......
this is my name:

Vincent Henrie Lee Yu, RN

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« Reply #45 on: August 09, 2008, 10:33:23 PM »
this thread has turned into a discussion about Rey Villas. that's quite weird. hahahaha!


Who started it?

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« Reply #46 on: August 09, 2008, 10:44:38 PM »

Who started it?

my Raymond Villas was a different one from the one at HNU. but if we're going to include him. it would ultimately be bonbonquest who started it. hahahhahaha!

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« Reply #47 on: August 09, 2008, 11:24:04 PM »
hahahhahhahhah

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« Reply #48 on: August 11, 2008, 03:20:57 AM »
The nursing profession here in the United States is still in massive demand; the only reason why there has been an considerable decease in importation of Filipino nurses from the Philippines is due to the increased immigration laws the country has implemented due to the unchecked illegal immigration as well as a response to America's war on terrorism. Not only has immigration to the United States been taxing to the Filipino, but to every single nationality (Chinese, Taiwanese, Japanese, French, Canadian, British, Rusisan, etc).

Additionally, many more American citizens are picking up nursing as a profession. So, naturally, Americans will endorse a protectionist policy regarding foreign nurses vs. American-trained American nurses. Understand?

The question of quality of training and excellence of schooling in the Philippines is not of any concern. Sure there are great schools that produce excellent Filipino nurses, my mother is one who graduated from C.I.M and is a head ICU/OR nurse. But she, as many nurses are a product of the early 90's brain drain. When the immigration laws were more laxed. The same cannot be said in the 21st century. The point is, why import nurses from abroad when one can train American nurses; and this is a recent fact.

More and more Americans are going into nursing due to community college courses.

Naturally one would get their BSN/RN degree, which is a 4 year degree or 5 year depending on the university or private college. However, here in the United States there is what we call an LPN or RN/AD program. In order to get one's LPN licentiate, it only requires 1 year of community college course. To get their RN/AD, its only 2 years.

However, just because there is a lack of demand on nursing right now does not mean that it will be impressed continually. The current nurses are aging and will be needing replacement; it is already estimated in the journal of new england medicine that by 2015 and 2020, the United States will need an additional 1-2 million nurses to fill in its ranks due to the aging baby-boomer population.

By right of economical supply and demand, there will be an eventual importation of foreign nurses; Filipino nurses being highly  regarded. In the hospital where my mother works, a major health system, she is the D.O.N for ICU. And another Filipina nurse is the director of ER/CCU.

It cannot be denied that Filipinos have a significant role in American health systems. I know, as a medical student and one who has rotated and done internships in Cleveland Health Clinic, Georgetown University Medical Center, Maryland University School of Medicine Health Systems, etc. I see this in my own eyes. Who runs the ICUs, the CCUs, the ERs, the PCUs. It is the Filipino.

Eventually, demand on Filipino nurses will open up again. And it is a worthy and noble profession.

A nurse can easily make $150,000 a year if he or she wanted to. A Nurse anesthetist can easily make $350,000 a year.
Its a practical profession and it is one that litigates support in congress. It's essential.

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« Reply #49 on: August 11, 2008, 03:30:03 AM »
dili pod fake uy. In the US, it's two years baya gihapon. I should know. I've lived there before.  And they do as well in exams as those who took it as a bachelor's degree.

bytheway, about that "agay nars" expression, that's funny! it's a running joke where I work. that expression still exists nowadays.

Actually, he does have a point. It is preferred if you have your MSN/RN or BSN/RN as it would qualify you to work in administration as well as to proceed in further graduate studies. It is a prerequisite before one goes into a CRNA course (certified registered nurse anesthetist) or a CRNP (certified registered nurse practitioner) masters course that one must have their BSN/RN degree. If one only has their RN/AD, one must go back to class to complete their BSN in order to further one's position.

Let's say one person wants to get his doctoral degree in nursing (D.Nsc) (doctor in nursing science) or DNP (doctorate in nurse practitioner) one needs to have the BSN/RN degree first to even qualify for these courses.

In some medical floors such as ICU (intensive care unit), OR, they prefer if one has an BSN/RN.

But one thing is clear tho; Medical students love nurses. Why? because nurses help us out when we are in rotations. Nurses teach us the ropes; how to chart things, how to evaluate patients. They are an invaluable source of information and are the work horses of the medical profession.

Either one has their BSN/RN, MSN/RN, or just RN/AD; one thing is clear; they are nurses and have earned the respect that they so deserve.

Everything else is just bureaucratic bullshittt. :)

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« Reply #50 on: August 11, 2008, 06:56:11 AM »
If ever naay nurses nga dili deserving maging nurse, they are the other type.

The one who took BSN with a mindset to get rich. and kana lang jud ila aim.

ex: at the SM mall sa escalator incident. Of course it caused commotion and behind my friend were nursing students (kay they were in uniform), DEspite sa mga naglisud nga med assistant on helping the boy, one of them  said "Aysus! mao ra diay ni kay naay  napi-it! Abi man to nakog artista!! Tara na uy" Like huh?! Tabang kuno mo!

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« Reply #51 on: August 11, 2008, 12:16:18 PM »
wala uroy sila naulaw,kiams, knowing they were in uniforms.

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« Reply #52 on: August 11, 2008, 11:12:44 PM »
mga parents naman ron ang magbuot sa ilang anak nga pakuhaan ug nursing sa college aron maka abroad. ako lang ig-agaw, nikuha ug nautical kay mag seaman. gipa shift sa akong uncle sa nursing aron maka migrate sa US or canada. nindot man unta pud ang seaman pero ang rason sa akong uncle kung walay barko kasakyan estambay, maypa nursing kay pwede sa mga ospital ug call center kung dili pa kapasar sa CGFNS or NCLEX. naa ron graduating na intawn ang bata.

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« Reply #53 on: August 11, 2008, 11:58:54 PM »
dili na dawaton mga BSN grads sa call centers..

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« Reply #54 on: August 12, 2008, 12:30:07 AM »
Bem,

Aren't there even any hospitals and clinics to take in the Filipino nurses who unable to go abroad still?

For me, it's all about waiting. When God wills it to be one's time, then it will be so. I have one cousin who graduated Nursing from UP a couple of years ago. She waited for about a year and a half and was finally given a position in the UK. I have another cousin who graduated and is right now waiting for her paper work to allow her to migrate here to NJ to work in a hospital up north jersey. She's been waiting for 2 years pero it is finally manifesting.

They key ani is to wait and have faith. Ing ani man jud ang mga immigration process. It doesn't take days or weeks. It takes several months and years even.

Key to this is being delikado and patient. Just like what you have to be when you are working in the hospital system here in the U.S.A.


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« Reply #55 on: August 12, 2008, 12:58:22 AM »
there are. but it's like 8 hrs shift bana? with 20 plus patients for the day and ang imo net allowance is naa ra mga P1500.. luoy lage..

im talking about the bsn grads nga dili kaau ganahan sa course ha

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« Reply #56 on: August 12, 2008, 02:33:23 PM »

Everything else is just bureaucratic bullshittt. :)

I'm a huge fan of this expression, Lorenzo...
Ultimately, it all boils down to that... hahaha!

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« Reply #57 on: August 12, 2008, 02:35:29 PM »
dili na dawaton mga BSN grads sa call centers..

naa ko'y friend nga nadawat sa Convergys... hahahah!... but she's not an RN... a BSN grad, nonetheless...

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« Reply #58 on: August 12, 2008, 11:36:37 PM »
dili na dawaton mga BSN grads sa call centers..
dawaton siguro oi. akong mga silingan call center man work taghuwat sa result sa ilang NCLEX, Board or CGFNS.

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« Reply #59 on: August 13, 2008, 09:44:58 AM »
dawaton siguro oi. akong mga silingan call center man work taghuwat sa result sa ilang NCLEX, Board or CGFNS.

naa'y mga call centers nga modawat gihapon but naa lang jud uban nga mga arte!... hahahahah!

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« Reply #60 on: August 14, 2008, 12:52:43 AM »
laysho man kunohay ang mga nars. labi pa nang gikan sa SWU, CDU ug Velez. ambot lang walay katupong sa kaarte.

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« Reply #61 on: August 14, 2008, 01:57:07 AM »
when cya nadawat? kay two months ago mani nagsugod nga d na madawat

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« Reply #62 on: August 14, 2008, 02:15:01 AM »
Bem, 8 hour shifts are typical shifts.

The hospital where I did my summer internship in, Virtua West Jersey Health Systems, had nursing students completing their clinical rotations. I managed to talk to some of them and it is common for first year nurses to work 12-16 hour shifts over here. Depends where one is relegated at.

If one is working in Med Surg (medical surgical), you'll see alot of patients even up to 15-20 patients per nurse. If you're working in Telemetry Unit, its even common to care for 20+ pts. Depends on how many nurses are on duty that shift.
However if one is placed in more intensive units such as ICU, CCU, ER, OR, PCU, PACU etc, then you'll be caring for 4 or less patients. In particular, the floor where my mother works at is in ICU where there are no Nurse's aids allowed; the nurse-to-patient interaction is direct. So it's common to have 1 or 2 patients per nurse. Then again, this depends on how many nurses were on duty that particular shift/day/night.


I agree with you that the nursing field is a very demanding one. Any medical field, by right, will be demanding and taxing on the individual; mentally as well as physically. As we are not dealing with financial funds, not with reparing television sets, directing shows, writing papers, etc. In medicine/nursing, you are dealing with the life of an individual.

If you loose a life, you cannot just replace it or refund it. That makes this professional field a league of its own.

As what the floor director told the nursing students, "If you can't take the heat. Get out of the kitchen."

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« Reply #63 on: August 14, 2008, 07:13:22 AM »
when cya nadawat? kay two months ago mani nagsugod nga d na madawat

last month xa nadawat, actually... and I was even surprised... rejoice2x gud intawon ang kagwang kay ga-tuo nga di na jud xa ka-land og trabaho nga disente diri.. hahaha!

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« Reply #64 on: August 14, 2008, 07:35:09 AM »
haha as usual..naa rapud na kung gin unsa ug tubag ang HR , :)

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« Reply #65 on: August 14, 2008, 11:38:22 AM »
Quick question,

What is the salary range of nurses in the Philippines. Its within the 15-20k range diba?


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« Reply #66 on: August 21, 2008, 10:10:36 PM »
Quick question,

What is the salary range of nurses in the Philippines. Its within the 15-20k range diba?

entry level nurse doesn't receive that amount.only mid-level nurses such as staff nurses or supervisors. that's why many of them prefer to go abroad than stick in the country.

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« Reply #67 on: August 21, 2008, 10:33:44 PM »
gamay ra ko ug pay no. I only get a net of roughly 8 per month. This is quite harsh considering that I'm a nurse. The salaries here are inhumane, seriously.

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« Reply #68 on: August 22, 2008, 12:09:30 AM »
gamay ra ko ug pay no. I only get a net of roughly 8 per month. This is quite harsh considering that I'm a nurse. The salaries here are inhumane, seriously.

Huh as small as this 8tau / month?? wow its nearly your monthly allowance during you study that course excluding your tuition fees :(

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« Reply #69 on: August 22, 2008, 04:10:15 PM »
A net of 8k a month? They should seriously repair the medical situation in the Philippines. Increasing the salary of our nurses would be incentive to keep more nurses in the country.



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« Reply #70 on: August 22, 2008, 10:28:27 PM »
A net of 8k a month? They should seriously repair the medical situation in the Philippines. Increasing the salary of our nurses would be incentive to keep more nurses in the country.


that would mean increase in hospital fees pare.

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« Reply #71 on: August 23, 2008, 01:38:33 AM »
Dili pood diay mo offer ang government sa subsidies sa hospitals?



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« Reply #72 on: August 24, 2008, 10:15:56 PM »
Dili pood diay mo offer ang government sa subsidies sa hospitals?



I know, for a fact, that the Philippine government does not do that.
Luoy lagi, Bran.  I really feel bad for our nurses kay mura'g gi-undermine ilang work ba.  Di baya jud lalim magnurse.

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« Reply #73 on: August 25, 2008, 09:45:09 AM »
Dili jud tawon lalim Bon, kana lang Pharmacology pwerteng lisura! ngek jud!

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« Reply #74 on: August 25, 2008, 11:39:32 PM »
maglisod man gani ang gobyerno pag maintain sa ilang mga hospitals how much more ang pagsubsidized sa sweldo sa mga nurses.

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« Reply #75 on: August 25, 2008, 11:51:42 PM »
This is just totally catastrophic. Thank you kaayo, Bon, for giving me that information.

The government has no one else to blame for the migration of nurses and physicians abroad but themselves for the magnanimous medical situation in the Philippines.

For me, I see nothing wrong with nursing students going abroad to find a job; they follow economic law. Supply and Demand.

There is alot of supply of Filipino nurses; there is little demand in the Philippines due to the saturation of the source; but there is quite a high demand for the said source in the West and Middle East. So naturally and logically, mo follow pood ang mga Filipino medical professionals sa flow.

Until the government can increase the standard of living/pay grade of atong mga nurses and physicians; they cannot expect to reduce the immigration of said professionals abroad. Les the demand of said sources decreases due to global economic hardships, immigration laws, and/or a growing saturation of said source in the importing countries.



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« Reply #76 on: August 27, 2008, 12:15:58 AM »
So we can say that nurses who are stationed in the Philippines are sort of doing charity. They are not earning, but donating services.

Since they choose to stay, knowing thier loss; they can be of equal stand to thier overseas counterparts who are called heroes.

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« Reply #77 on: August 27, 2008, 12:00:28 PM »
So we can say that nurses who are stationed in the Philippines are sort of doing charity. They are not earning, but donating services.

Since they choose to stay, knowing thier loss; they can be of equal stand to thier overseas counterparts who are called heroes.

Exactly, Macks!

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« Reply #78 on: August 27, 2008, 03:30:12 PM »

So we can say that nurses who are stationed in the Philippines are sort of doing charity. They are not earning, but donating services.

Since they choose to stay, knowing thier loss; they can be of equal stand to thier overseas counterparts who are called heroes.


Exactly, Macks!




Halos tanan sa mga tao dinhi sa Pilipinas gusto manglarga sa gawas, nurses included.  They didn't choose to stay.  They stayed because they lack the experience or lack of papers or failing to pass the state exam.  or not making the right connections,  etc,etc, etc.  They are force to "do charity or donating services" while waiting for the right time kay wala na may mahimo.

OFW?  Accidental heroes!  Lets face it.  Nanggawas na sila not because for the love of country  but for the love of the family nga mahatagan ug maayong kinabuhi.  Immigrants?  Nisamot.  Nanglayas na dire sa pilipinas kay wala na kasabot sa atong panggobyerno.

So parehas ra ning mga nurse dinhi nga mga nabilin.  Mga accidental heroes. hehehe :D :D :D

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« Reply #79 on: August 27, 2008, 08:04:56 PM »
Mao ni ang big reality, labi na sa panahon karon nga crisis ang Pilipinas. So most of our professionals are aiming to migrate or work in foreign countries. It is but normal for a person to go for the best, ride the wagon to greener pasture. I must admit, I am one. Hehehe.

But unfortunately some Imigrants/OFWs find their status as poor in their new country or just 2nd class citizens and sometimes discriminated. Even the ones with professional degrees find themselves in humiliating jobs. Going abroad for the first time is like playing Russian roulette, uncertain. Most are suffering from loneliness and there is a constant desire of going home/joining their loved ones.

Regarding love of country, maybe you mean love of government. One may hate the government but still love his country. Since OFW’s prime goal is to improve the living condition of his family, it is already considered love of country, since family is the basic unit of our society.

Heroes: It is the will and courage that makes one a hero and not the result of an endevour. So there is no such thing as accidental heroes.

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« Reply #80 on: August 28, 2008, 12:11:19 AM »
heroes if you will not encounter any legal issues in the country where are working. but if you will be in jail, government will not help if your families will not plead for your release. there are so many jailed OFW's for various reasons in the middle east and in malaysia  but the government are having hard time helping them out of jail. some of them are jailed because their employers just like them to be in jail.

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« Reply #81 on: August 28, 2008, 08:14:29 PM »
na hala.  ato na lang binisay-on.  heroes nga wala tujo-a 8) 8) 8).  pero kanang mga nars nga nia pa dinhi ngita pud na sila ug greener pasture oi kay ang dinhi mga brown na mga pastures hehehe...  kinsa may nag choose to stay dinhi sa pinas nga nars.  kinsaaaahhhh :-[ :-[ :-[ 

bols, kanang mga napreso diha nga mga ofw nga gipapresso lang sa ilang amo bisan walay sala, mao na mga true heroes.  matyr..... :-\ :-\ :-\

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Re: Market Value for Registered Nurses in the Philippines
« Reply #82 on: August 28, 2008, 10:16:35 PM »
na hala.  ato na lang binisay-on.  heroes nga wala tujo-a 8) 8) 8).  pero kanang mga nars nga nia pa dinhi ngita pud na sila ug greener pasture oi kay ang dinhi mga brown na mga pastures hehehe...  kinsa may nag choose to stay dinhi sa pinas nga nars.  kinsaaaahhhh :-[ :-[ :-[ 

bols, kanang mga napreso diha nga mga ofw nga gipapresso lang sa ilang amo bisan walay sala, mao na mga true heroes.  matyr..... :-\ :-\ :-\
mao bitaw akong point. tungod sa gobyerno nato nanglakaw na sila kay wala lagi igong trabaho ngari. kung naa man galing gamay ra ug sweldo labina ug magpamaid lang ka. naa bitaw gitawag nilang hero si angelo dela cruz kadtong nakidnap sa iraq, unsa may nahimo ato niya. nidako ang atay sa animal, nag abusar. gihatagan ug trabaho sa gobyerno, naghubog hubog while work hours pa. napapha na nuon. giingnan nga dili moadto sa iraq kay peligro, niadto jud di nakidnap. nangayo ug tabang sa gobyerno. ang gobyerno sad nga gipanguluhan ni GMA pakitang tao sad ni give in. gi withdraw ang peace keepers sa iraq bugti sa kagawasan ni dela cruz. ang resulta, gi withdraw sad sa US and ilang pending military aid sa pinas alang sa modernization sa AFP. ang resulta nagsige nalang ug pang crash ang mga helicopters ug airplanes sa pinas. kay lagi ang pinas di ka afford kung walay aid sa ubang nasud kay gipangkurakot sa mga namunuan. labi pa tong naa sa mga ahensiya sa gobyerno ug sa mga LGU's. karon dako kaayo ug damage ang niresulta tungod sa lang usa ka tawo nga gahi ug ulo. nya wala lang panumbalinga ang sakripisyo sa mga tawo nga nitabang niya. nya giusikan lang sa tabaghak.
daghan pa ra ba ron ang gahi ug ulo nga ganahan moadto sa kuyaw nga lugar aron manimpad. pwera lang nangadto sa mga lugar nga safe. ang kaning atong mga nurse ngari kadaghanan nangandoy nga mogawas aron modaku ang kita. kahibaw man sila nga gamay ra jud ilang kitaon kung ani sila sa pinas lang. ug dili lang kay mga nurse lang. hasta tong ubang mga professionals sama sa engineers, architects ug IT professionals kay inilog ni sila sa gawas labi pa didto sa singapore ug canada. bisan ako, ganahan ko nga moadto sa gawas aron sad makatilaw ug gamayng kaharuhay akong pamilya. pero gi defer lang sa nako sa pagkakaron kay medyo kaya pa nako ug sa akong asawa ang among gastuhan diri bisan naay panahon nga makatilaw ug jud ug kahagip-ot. pero kalooy sa dios, kalampos lang gihapon. usa sa akong kamingawan ang akong mga anak nga medyo close kaayo nako ug usa pa medyo gagmay pa. wala pa kaayoy mga buot ug di pa jud kasabot kung ugaling molakaw ko. magsige man gani ug pangita nako kanang mobyahe ko ug tagsa ngadto sa duha ka semana kung mawala. sa telepono ra mi magkastorya.
ambot lang jud aning atong pamuyo diri sa pinas. usahay makaingon ko nga ang uban ra sad natong mga kaigsoonan ang nakaingon nganong ing ana ang ila gidangatan. kamo nalay sabot ana. 

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Re: Market Value for Registered Nurses in the Philippines
« Reply #83 on: August 29, 2008, 01:58:37 AM »
bols,  ka sad story ba sad nimo oi. mabuhi rA guihapon ta bisan naa ta diri sa pinas.  just think of the positive side. hehehe... ato ning panglibasugan,  dili kay modagan lang sa layong dapit kay mangita ug kaharuhay sa kinabuhi.... you are a true family man...hehehe bilib ko nimo kay wala jud nimo gisakripisyo ang imong familia sa mga material things dinhi sa kalibutan. achecheche...  :P :P :P

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Re: Market Value for Registered Nurses in the Philippines
« Reply #84 on: August 29, 2008, 04:44:11 AM »

Halos tanan sa mga tao dinhi sa Pilipinas gusto manglarga sa gawas, nurses included.  They didn't choose to stay.  They stayed because they lack the experience or lack of papers or failing to pass the state exam.  or not making the right connections,  etc,etc, etc.  They are force to "do charity or donating services" while waiting for the right time kay wala na may mahimo.

OFW?  Accidental heroes!  Lets face it.  Nanggawas na sila not because for the love of country  but for the love of the family nga mahatagan ug maayong kinabuhi.  Immigrants?  Nisamot.  Nanglayas na dire sa pilipinas kay wala na kasabot sa atong panggobyerno.

So parehas ra ning mga nurse dinhi nga mga nabilin.  Mga accidental heroes. hehehe :D :D :D

Natural ra man ni, windgate, for a person to leave the home country in search for better land and better opportunities. Here in the United States, the caucasian whites came here because their ancestors were immigrants from countries such as Italy, Ireland, Germany, France, Serbia, Russia, Poland, Spain, Portugal, Norway, Sweden, Austria, Croatia etc.

And most of them that came to the United States in the early 18th century, during the late 19th century and even in the early 20th century (which came in massive waves) were of the poor class in Europe. This is even well documented in American History and even in the plaque in the Statue of Liberty that even says,

"Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed, to me:
I lift my lamp beside the golden door."


This statement, which is engraved in the Statue of Liberty, symbolizes the idea of the American Dream. All people, of different ethnic origins, different races, come to this country in search of a better life for their children, their families and for themselves.

It is this concept that builds and continues to saturate the American Dream!

And we, Filipinos, that come to the United States as immigrants are but a stratification, a layer that constitutes the AMERICAN IDENTITY. We do not see ourselves as traitors or 'Heroes of the Philippines'.

No, our parents swear the Oath of Allegiance to the United States, that makes us, their children, automatic citizens of the United States, we relinquish our Filipino citizen. And become AMERICAN.

This is true for other Asian ethnicities that come and naturalize in the United States. Be it Filipino, Chinese, Indian, Pakistani, Japanese, Vietnamese etc.



It is not 'abandonment' as many would say it. It is, in my opinion and in the opinions of many American Immigrants and decedents of Immigrants, Human Nature.



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Re: Market Value for Registered Nurses in the Philippines
« Reply #85 on: August 29, 2008, 09:02:24 AM »
mao bitaw akong point. tungod sa gobyerno nato nanglakaw na sila kay wala lagi igong trabaho ngari. kung naa man galing gamay ra ug sweldo labina ug magpamaid lang ka. naa bitaw gitawag nilang hero si angelo dela cruz kadtong nakidnap sa iraq, unsa may nahimo ato niya. nidako ang atay sa animal, nag abusar. gihatagan ug trabaho sa gobyerno, naghubog hubog while work hours pa. napapha na nuon. giingnan nga dili moadto sa iraq kay peligro, niadto jud di nakidnap. nangayo ug tabang sa gobyerno. ang gobyerno sad nga gipanguluhan ni GMA pakitang tao sad ni give in. gi withdraw ang peace keepers sa iraq bugti sa kagawasan ni dela cruz. ang resulta, gi withdraw sad sa US and ilang pending military aid sa pinas alang sa modernization sa AFP. ang resulta nagsige nalang ug pang crash ang mga helicopters ug airplanes sa pinas. kay lagi ang pinas di ka afford kung walay aid sa ubang nasud kay gipangkurakot sa mga namunuan. labi pa tong naa sa mga ahensiya sa gobyerno ug sa mga LGU's. karon dako kaayo ug damage ang niresulta tungod sa lang usa ka tawo nga gahi ug ulo. nya wala lang panumbalinga ang sakripisyo sa mga tawo nga nitabang niya. nya giusikan lang sa tabaghak.
daghan pa ra ba ron ang gahi ug ulo nga ganahan moadto sa kuyaw nga lugar aron manimpad. pwera lang nangadto sa mga lugar nga safe. ang kaning atong mga nurse ngari kadaghanan nangandoy nga mogawas aron modaku ang kita. kahibaw man sila nga gamay ra jud ilang kitaon kung ani sila sa pinas lang. ug dili lang kay mga nurse lang. hasta tong ubang mga professionals sama sa engineers, architects ug IT professionals kay inilog ni sila sa gawas labi pa didto sa singapore ug canada. bisan ako, ganahan ko nga moadto sa gawas aron sad makatilaw ug gamayng kaharuhay akong pamilya. pero gi defer lang sa nako sa pagkakaron kay medyo kaya pa nako ug sa akong asawa ang among gastuhan diri bisan naay panahon nga makatilaw ug jud ug kahagip-ot. pero kalooy sa dios, kalampos lang gihapon. usa sa akong kamingawan ang akong mga anak nga medyo close kaayo nako ug usa pa medyo gagmay pa. wala pa kaayoy mga buot ug di pa jud kasabot kung ugaling molakaw ko. magsige man gani ug pangita nako kanang mobyahe ko ug tagsa ngadto sa duha ka semana kung mawala. sa telepono ra mi magkastorya.
ambot lang jud aning atong pamuyo diri sa pinas. usahay makaingon ko nga ang uban ra sad natong mga kaigsoonan ang nakaingon nganong ing ana ang ila gidangatan. kamo nalay sabot ana. 

Maayo kanang imong gi buhat bay. Mas nag kinahanglan ang imong mga anak nga naa ka sa ilang kiliran samtang gamay pa sila. Maayo kay wala ka magpatental sa abroad. Siguro kung naa sa hipnong edad na sila ug makasabot na nga mo biya ka para sa ilang edukasyon, like mag college na, mao na siguro nang panahona nga mo abroad ka na. Pero kung imong palamboon ang imong kwarta sugod karon, mo multiply siguro na ug pila ka tuig. Ug hinaut unta nga malamposon ka para may ikagasto ka na sa college nila ug dili na ka mangabroad. Ang importante sa atoa nga self sustainability ug dili ka pataka ug gasto sa mga butang nga luxury.

Ang imong gibuhat karon, imong gi build ang imong greatest wealth nga mao ang imong mga anak.

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Re: Market Value for Registered Nurses in the Philippines
« Reply #86 on: August 29, 2008, 11:43:43 PM »
nag andam na nuon mi para sa ilang educational plan. wala mi mokuha anang sama sa CAP o unsa pa diha. amo kay bank account nga para nila.

kani man gud akong mga anak. malingaw ra ni sila kung magduduwa na. pero inig uli sa balay mangita jud na nako. actually naay 3 ka pending offer nako para sa gawas, india, saudi ug singapore. puros maayo ang offer. akong misis sugot ra kaayo kung molakaw ko kay para ra sa among kaayohan. akong gihunahuna pud nga mingaw baya. akong plano singapore nalang siguro kay medyo duol ug barato ang plete. akong nahibaw-an PHP7k ra back & forth ang plete and it's only 3 hours ang byahe. dili kaayo layo nya barato ang plete. basin pwede ko makauli one in a month bisan 2 days lang.

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Re: Market Value for Registered Nurses in the Philippines
« Reply #87 on: September 01, 2008, 05:55:06 PM »
This is just totally catastrophic. Thank you kaayo, Bon, for giving me that information.

The government has no one else to blame for the migration of nurses and physicians abroad but themselves for the magnanimous medical situation in the Philippines.

For me, I see nothing wrong with nursing students going abroad to find a job; they follow economic law. Supply and Demand.

There is alot of supply of Filipino nurses; there is little demand in the Philippines due to the saturation of the source; but there is quite a high demand for the said source in the West and Middle East. So naturally and logically, mo follow pood ang mga Filipino medical professionals sa flow.

Until the government can increase the standard of living/pay grade of atong mga nurses and physicians; they cannot expect to reduce the immigration of said professionals abroad. Les the demand of said sources decreases due to global economic hardships, immigration laws, and/or a growing saturation of said source in the importing countries.



yeah.. sakto jud ni nga statement... and very well said... there is no viable solution to prevent the so-called "brain drain" phenomenon sa atong country because the government itself is culpable......

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Re: Market Value for Registered Nurses in the Philippines
« Reply #88 on: September 01, 2008, 05:57:43 PM »

Halos tanan sa mga tao dinhi sa Pilipinas gusto manglarga sa gawas, nurses included.  They didn't choose to stay.  They stayed because they lack the experience or lack of papers or failing to pass the state exam.  or not making the right connections,  etc,etc, etc.  They are force to "do charity or donating services" while waiting for the right time kay wala na may mahimo.

OFW?  Accidental heroes!  Lets face it.  Nanggawas na sila not because for the love of country  but for the love of the family nga mahatagan ug maayong kinabuhi.  Immigrants?  Nisamot.  Nanglayas na dire sa pilipinas kay wala na kasabot sa atong panggobyerno.

So parehas ra ning mga nurse dinhi nga mga nabilin.  Mga accidental heroes. hehehe :D :D :D

this hits the spot, windgate... woooh!... and I find myself tugging the rope towards this path... just not as a nurse... heheheh!

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Re: Market Value for Registered Nurses in the Philippines
« Reply #89 on: September 01, 2008, 11:26:27 PM »
yeah.. sakto jud ni nga statement... and very well said... there is no viable solution to prevent the so-called "brain drain" phenomenon sa atong country because the government itself is culpable......

just think of the positive side.  kanang mga gikan sa gawas inig-pamakasyon ana nila dinhi kay manudlo man pod na sila sa ilang mga nabal-an didto sa gawas nga mga new technologies... so it's "brain gained" ....hehehehe  or they'll do an outreach program sama adtong akong nakita sa usa ka thread dinhi nga nagpakaon sa mga bata sa elementary school... ginagmay nga butang pero yayay!!!

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Re: Market Value for Registered Nurses in the Philippines
« Reply #90 on: September 02, 2008, 09:32:51 AM »
The success of Filipinos abroad should be natural pride for all Filipinos in the home country. I mean, to see your fellow countrymen succeed as practicing attorneys, professional engineers, medical care providers, business folk etc abroad should be something that should be seen as a positive.

I don't like it how government in the country complains about the so called 'brain drain'.

If they don't like it, which many of them point out in video ads in ABS-CBN or GMA networks, then they should do something about it. Do less talking and more action. This is the very problem of some Filipinos, which truly and absolutely irritate me. They point out the flaws of other people, political constructs, group of peoples or status quo and expect the complete change of something; yet provide absolutely no logical answer to the said problem.

Sure there is a 'medical problem' in the Philippines; but unless one does something about the ground situation to curb the said phenomena that that problem will not solve itself (the problem being the immigration of Filipino workers).

You  know, as a medical student I notice that many of my fellow medical colleagues are of either Indian or Pakistani decent. And from talks with them it is common for Pakistani, Indian etc to go abroad after finishing their medical degree and finding jobs as physicians/nurses in the 'states, Canada or Europe and even in the Middle East. That, or many of them send their children to American medical schools (like where I attend) and expect their children to finish medicine and practice. And this is a common thing. Many strive in India to go abroad and to find success abroad. And the government of India, Pakistan etc actually encourage them to go abroad to champion the name of their country, and to make a contribution to the global medical system for the Better.

Additionally, there is, naturally of course, a logical economic incentive for this. Success abroad means success in the home country as it translates into remittances back to the home country and the positive image of the Indian/Pakistani in the medical spheres abroad as well as in technological spheres. I'm only making a specific case of medicine and the medical industry---you get the point.

So naturally, the Philippine government and its spheres, should, by all counts shouldn't even complain considering the OFWs or the so called 'Brain Drain' is the one that is responsible for sending back over $18 BILLION a year back to the country. The Philippine's version of the economic bubble lifeline.

My point and the point of many others: Why complain when, in all actuality, government and the people profit?

Politicians in this country are useless and do nothing. It is a failed system and a flawed system. I am totally conviced of this now. And unfortunatley it is up to the Filipino people to solve their own problems and fend for themselves.

This is the VERY REASON why Filipinos go abroad in the first place. Because government is unable to provide and to solve the economic crisis in the country.

We, as a country, cannot even solve the muslim extrimism in Mindanao and the claim to Sabah. Let alone can we expect them to 'solve' this brain drain situation. They repudiate the phenomona as negative to the country; but they revel in the economical remittances of the OFWs, which funds the programs government enacts by the power they play in paying taxes etc.

Hypocrisy.

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« Reply #91 on: October 04, 2008, 08:34:05 PM »
i am presently taking up nursing  here in usa. i am taking up associate degree in nursing(ADN) which is 2 years and 2 summers. the difference between adn and bsn is that bsn can hold a managerial position whereas adn can not. both can take the nclex and can become rn. high school graduates can enroll adn but as we know high school here in the us is equivalent to second year college in the philippines because you have to study until grade 12 before you graduate high school aside from that, one has to take prerequisite courses before you can be admitted to the program. nursing education  in us is more rigid because you have more  hands on experience aside from the fast paced  lecture. i came to the us as an exchange cultural teacher and taught middle school for 4 years but i burned out and decided to shift gears..

there are lots of jobs here for nurses...

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« Reply #92 on: October 05, 2008, 12:51:54 AM »
How to find a job if you are filippina and nurse educated? Any advice?

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Re: Market Value for Registered Nurses in the Philippines
« Reply #93 on: October 05, 2008, 05:24:06 PM »
Bonquest posting is a hot topic, nursing is for me a high profession. Medical nurses who came here in Germany are well respected.  It is still high in demand in England and the nearby island like Ireland.  One of the requisite is passing TOEFL ( Test on English as a Second language) The advantage in landing a job in England is that you can bring your family after a certain number of years. Israel seek highly qualified nurses, which means dedicated to their professions.

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