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Re: Market Value for Registered Nurses in the Philippines
« Reply #80 on: August 28, 2008, 12:11:19 AM »
heroes if you will not encounter any legal issues in the country where are working. but if you will be in jail, government will not help if your families will not plead for your release. there are so many jailed OFW's for various reasons in the middle east and in malaysia  but the government are having hard time helping them out of jail. some of them are jailed because their employers just like them to be in jail.

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Re: Market Value for Registered Nurses in the Philippines
« Reply #81 on: August 28, 2008, 08:14:29 PM »
na hala.  ato na lang binisay-on.  heroes nga wala tujo-a 8) 8) 8).  pero kanang mga nars nga nia pa dinhi ngita pud na sila ug greener pasture oi kay ang dinhi mga brown na mga pastures hehehe...  kinsa may nag choose to stay dinhi sa pinas nga nars.  kinsaaaahhhh :-[ :-[ :-[ 

bols, kanang mga napreso diha nga mga ofw nga gipapresso lang sa ilang amo bisan walay sala, mao na mga true heroes.  matyr..... :-\ :-\ :-\

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« Reply #82 on: August 28, 2008, 10:16:35 PM »
na hala.  ato na lang binisay-on.  heroes nga wala tujo-a 8) 8) 8).  pero kanang mga nars nga nia pa dinhi ngita pud na sila ug greener pasture oi kay ang dinhi mga brown na mga pastures hehehe...  kinsa may nag choose to stay dinhi sa pinas nga nars.  kinsaaaahhhh :-[ :-[ :-[ 

bols, kanang mga napreso diha nga mga ofw nga gipapresso lang sa ilang amo bisan walay sala, mao na mga true heroes.  matyr..... :-\ :-\ :-\
mao bitaw akong point. tungod sa gobyerno nato nanglakaw na sila kay wala lagi igong trabaho ngari. kung naa man galing gamay ra ug sweldo labina ug magpamaid lang ka. naa bitaw gitawag nilang hero si angelo dela cruz kadtong nakidnap sa iraq, unsa may nahimo ato niya. nidako ang atay sa animal, nag abusar. gihatagan ug trabaho sa gobyerno, naghubog hubog while work hours pa. napapha na nuon. giingnan nga dili moadto sa iraq kay peligro, niadto jud di nakidnap. nangayo ug tabang sa gobyerno. ang gobyerno sad nga gipanguluhan ni GMA pakitang tao sad ni give in. gi withdraw ang peace keepers sa iraq bugti sa kagawasan ni dela cruz. ang resulta, gi withdraw sad sa US and ilang pending military aid sa pinas alang sa modernization sa AFP. ang resulta nagsige nalang ug pang crash ang mga helicopters ug airplanes sa pinas. kay lagi ang pinas di ka afford kung walay aid sa ubang nasud kay gipangkurakot sa mga namunuan. labi pa tong naa sa mga ahensiya sa gobyerno ug sa mga LGU's. karon dako kaayo ug damage ang niresulta tungod sa lang usa ka tawo nga gahi ug ulo. nya wala lang panumbalinga ang sakripisyo sa mga tawo nga nitabang niya. nya giusikan lang sa tabaghak.
daghan pa ra ba ron ang gahi ug ulo nga ganahan moadto sa kuyaw nga lugar aron manimpad. pwera lang nangadto sa mga lugar nga safe. ang kaning atong mga nurse ngari kadaghanan nangandoy nga mogawas aron modaku ang kita. kahibaw man sila nga gamay ra jud ilang kitaon kung ani sila sa pinas lang. ug dili lang kay mga nurse lang. hasta tong ubang mga professionals sama sa engineers, architects ug IT professionals kay inilog ni sila sa gawas labi pa didto sa singapore ug canada. bisan ako, ganahan ko nga moadto sa gawas aron sad makatilaw ug gamayng kaharuhay akong pamilya. pero gi defer lang sa nako sa pagkakaron kay medyo kaya pa nako ug sa akong asawa ang among gastuhan diri bisan naay panahon nga makatilaw ug jud ug kahagip-ot. pero kalooy sa dios, kalampos lang gihapon. usa sa akong kamingawan ang akong mga anak nga medyo close kaayo nako ug usa pa medyo gagmay pa. wala pa kaayoy mga buot ug di pa jud kasabot kung ugaling molakaw ko. magsige man gani ug pangita nako kanang mobyahe ko ug tagsa ngadto sa duha ka semana kung mawala. sa telepono ra mi magkastorya.
ambot lang jud aning atong pamuyo diri sa pinas. usahay makaingon ko nga ang uban ra sad natong mga kaigsoonan ang nakaingon nganong ing ana ang ila gidangatan. kamo nalay sabot ana. 

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Re: Market Value for Registered Nurses in the Philippines
« Reply #83 on: August 29, 2008, 01:58:37 AM »
bols,  ka sad story ba sad nimo oi. mabuhi rA guihapon ta bisan naa ta diri sa pinas.  just think of the positive side. hehehe... ato ning panglibasugan,  dili kay modagan lang sa layong dapit kay mangita ug kaharuhay sa kinabuhi.... you are a true family man...hehehe bilib ko nimo kay wala jud nimo gisakripisyo ang imong familia sa mga material things dinhi sa kalibutan. achecheche...  :P :P :P

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Re: Market Value for Registered Nurses in the Philippines
« Reply #84 on: August 29, 2008, 04:44:11 AM »

Halos tanan sa mga tao dinhi sa Pilipinas gusto manglarga sa gawas, nurses included.  They didn't choose to stay.  They stayed because they lack the experience or lack of papers or failing to pass the state exam.  or not making the right connections,  etc,etc, etc.  They are force to "do charity or donating services" while waiting for the right time kay wala na may mahimo.

OFW?  Accidental heroes!  Lets face it.  Nanggawas na sila not because for the love of country  but for the love of the family nga mahatagan ug maayong kinabuhi.  Immigrants?  Nisamot.  Nanglayas na dire sa pilipinas kay wala na kasabot sa atong panggobyerno.

So parehas ra ning mga nurse dinhi nga mga nabilin.  Mga accidental heroes. hehehe :D :D :D

Natural ra man ni, windgate, for a person to leave the home country in search for better land and better opportunities. Here in the United States, the caucasian whites came here because their ancestors were immigrants from countries such as Italy, Ireland, Germany, France, Serbia, Russia, Poland, Spain, Portugal, Norway, Sweden, Austria, Croatia etc.

And most of them that came to the United States in the early 18th century, during the late 19th century and even in the early 20th century (which came in massive waves) were of the poor class in Europe. This is even well documented in American History and even in the plaque in the Statue of Liberty that even says,

"Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed, to me:
I lift my lamp beside the golden door."


This statement, which is engraved in the Statue of Liberty, symbolizes the idea of the American Dream. All people, of different ethnic origins, different races, come to this country in search of a better life for their children, their families and for themselves.

It is this concept that builds and continues to saturate the American Dream!

And we, Filipinos, that come to the United States as immigrants are but a stratification, a layer that constitutes the AMERICAN IDENTITY. We do not see ourselves as traitors or 'Heroes of the Philippines'.

No, our parents swear the Oath of Allegiance to the United States, that makes us, their children, automatic citizens of the United States, we relinquish our Filipino citizen. And become AMERICAN.

This is true for other Asian ethnicities that come and naturalize in the United States. Be it Filipino, Chinese, Indian, Pakistani, Japanese, Vietnamese etc.



It is not 'abandonment' as many would say it. It is, in my opinion and in the opinions of many American Immigrants and decedents of Immigrants, Human Nature.



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Re: Market Value for Registered Nurses in the Philippines
« Reply #85 on: August 29, 2008, 09:02:24 AM »
mao bitaw akong point. tungod sa gobyerno nato nanglakaw na sila kay wala lagi igong trabaho ngari. kung naa man galing gamay ra ug sweldo labina ug magpamaid lang ka. naa bitaw gitawag nilang hero si angelo dela cruz kadtong nakidnap sa iraq, unsa may nahimo ato niya. nidako ang atay sa animal, nag abusar. gihatagan ug trabaho sa gobyerno, naghubog hubog while work hours pa. napapha na nuon. giingnan nga dili moadto sa iraq kay peligro, niadto jud di nakidnap. nangayo ug tabang sa gobyerno. ang gobyerno sad nga gipanguluhan ni GMA pakitang tao sad ni give in. gi withdraw ang peace keepers sa iraq bugti sa kagawasan ni dela cruz. ang resulta, gi withdraw sad sa US and ilang pending military aid sa pinas alang sa modernization sa AFP. ang resulta nagsige nalang ug pang crash ang mga helicopters ug airplanes sa pinas. kay lagi ang pinas di ka afford kung walay aid sa ubang nasud kay gipangkurakot sa mga namunuan. labi pa tong naa sa mga ahensiya sa gobyerno ug sa mga LGU's. karon dako kaayo ug damage ang niresulta tungod sa lang usa ka tawo nga gahi ug ulo. nya wala lang panumbalinga ang sakripisyo sa mga tawo nga nitabang niya. nya giusikan lang sa tabaghak.
daghan pa ra ba ron ang gahi ug ulo nga ganahan moadto sa kuyaw nga lugar aron manimpad. pwera lang nangadto sa mga lugar nga safe. ang kaning atong mga nurse ngari kadaghanan nangandoy nga mogawas aron modaku ang kita. kahibaw man sila nga gamay ra jud ilang kitaon kung ani sila sa pinas lang. ug dili lang kay mga nurse lang. hasta tong ubang mga professionals sama sa engineers, architects ug IT professionals kay inilog ni sila sa gawas labi pa didto sa singapore ug canada. bisan ako, ganahan ko nga moadto sa gawas aron sad makatilaw ug gamayng kaharuhay akong pamilya. pero gi defer lang sa nako sa pagkakaron kay medyo kaya pa nako ug sa akong asawa ang among gastuhan diri bisan naay panahon nga makatilaw ug jud ug kahagip-ot. pero kalooy sa dios, kalampos lang gihapon. usa sa akong kamingawan ang akong mga anak nga medyo close kaayo nako ug usa pa medyo gagmay pa. wala pa kaayoy mga buot ug di pa jud kasabot kung ugaling molakaw ko. magsige man gani ug pangita nako kanang mobyahe ko ug tagsa ngadto sa duha ka semana kung mawala. sa telepono ra mi magkastorya.
ambot lang jud aning atong pamuyo diri sa pinas. usahay makaingon ko nga ang uban ra sad natong mga kaigsoonan ang nakaingon nganong ing ana ang ila gidangatan. kamo nalay sabot ana. 

Maayo kanang imong gi buhat bay. Mas nag kinahanglan ang imong mga anak nga naa ka sa ilang kiliran samtang gamay pa sila. Maayo kay wala ka magpatental sa abroad. Siguro kung naa sa hipnong edad na sila ug makasabot na nga mo biya ka para sa ilang edukasyon, like mag college na, mao na siguro nang panahona nga mo abroad ka na. Pero kung imong palamboon ang imong kwarta sugod karon, mo multiply siguro na ug pila ka tuig. Ug hinaut unta nga malamposon ka para may ikagasto ka na sa college nila ug dili na ka mangabroad. Ang importante sa atoa nga self sustainability ug dili ka pataka ug gasto sa mga butang nga luxury.

Ang imong gibuhat karon, imong gi build ang imong greatest wealth nga mao ang imong mga anak.

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« Reply #86 on: August 29, 2008, 11:43:43 PM »
nag andam na nuon mi para sa ilang educational plan. wala mi mokuha anang sama sa CAP o unsa pa diha. amo kay bank account nga para nila.

kani man gud akong mga anak. malingaw ra ni sila kung magduduwa na. pero inig uli sa balay mangita jud na nako. actually naay 3 ka pending offer nako para sa gawas, india, saudi ug singapore. puros maayo ang offer. akong misis sugot ra kaayo kung molakaw ko kay para ra sa among kaayohan. akong gihunahuna pud nga mingaw baya. akong plano singapore nalang siguro kay medyo duol ug barato ang plete. akong nahibaw-an PHP7k ra back & forth ang plete and it's only 3 hours ang byahe. dili kaayo layo nya barato ang plete. basin pwede ko makauli one in a month bisan 2 days lang.

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Re: Market Value for Registered Nurses in the Philippines
« Reply #87 on: September 01, 2008, 05:55:06 PM »
This is just totally catastrophic. Thank you kaayo, Bon, for giving me that information.

The government has no one else to blame for the migration of nurses and physicians abroad but themselves for the magnanimous medical situation in the Philippines.

For me, I see nothing wrong with nursing students going abroad to find a job; they follow economic law. Supply and Demand.

There is alot of supply of Filipino nurses; there is little demand in the Philippines due to the saturation of the source; but there is quite a high demand for the said source in the West and Middle East. So naturally and logically, mo follow pood ang mga Filipino medical professionals sa flow.

Until the government can increase the standard of living/pay grade of atong mga nurses and physicians; they cannot expect to reduce the immigration of said professionals abroad. Les the demand of said sources decreases due to global economic hardships, immigration laws, and/or a growing saturation of said source in the importing countries.



yeah.. sakto jud ni nga statement... and very well said... there is no viable solution to prevent the so-called "brain drain" phenomenon sa atong country because the government itself is culpable......

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« Reply #88 on: September 01, 2008, 05:57:43 PM »

Halos tanan sa mga tao dinhi sa Pilipinas gusto manglarga sa gawas, nurses included.  They didn't choose to stay.  They stayed because they lack the experience or lack of papers or failing to pass the state exam.  or not making the right connections,  etc,etc, etc.  They are force to "do charity or donating services" while waiting for the right time kay wala na may mahimo.

OFW?  Accidental heroes!  Lets face it.  Nanggawas na sila not because for the love of country  but for the love of the family nga mahatagan ug maayong kinabuhi.  Immigrants?  Nisamot.  Nanglayas na dire sa pilipinas kay wala na kasabot sa atong panggobyerno.

So parehas ra ning mga nurse dinhi nga mga nabilin.  Mga accidental heroes. hehehe :D :D :D

this hits the spot, windgate... woooh!... and I find myself tugging the rope towards this path... just not as a nurse... heheheh!

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Re: Market Value for Registered Nurses in the Philippines
« Reply #89 on: September 01, 2008, 11:26:27 PM »
yeah.. sakto jud ni nga statement... and very well said... there is no viable solution to prevent the so-called "brain drain" phenomenon sa atong country because the government itself is culpable......

just think of the positive side.  kanang mga gikan sa gawas inig-pamakasyon ana nila dinhi kay manudlo man pod na sila sa ilang mga nabal-an didto sa gawas nga mga new technologies... so it's "brain gained" ....hehehehe  or they'll do an outreach program sama adtong akong nakita sa usa ka thread dinhi nga nagpakaon sa mga bata sa elementary school... ginagmay nga butang pero yayay!!!

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Re: Market Value for Registered Nurses in the Philippines
« Reply #90 on: September 02, 2008, 09:32:51 AM »
The success of Filipinos abroad should be natural pride for all Filipinos in the home country. I mean, to see your fellow countrymen succeed as practicing attorneys, professional engineers, medical care providers, business folk etc abroad should be something that should be seen as a positive.

I don't like it how government in the country complains about the so called 'brain drain'.

If they don't like it, which many of them point out in video ads in ABS-CBN or GMA networks, then they should do something about it. Do less talking and more action. This is the very problem of some Filipinos, which truly and absolutely irritate me. They point out the flaws of other people, political constructs, group of peoples or status quo and expect the complete change of something; yet provide absolutely no logical answer to the said problem.

Sure there is a 'medical problem' in the Philippines; but unless one does something about the ground situation to curb the said phenomena that that problem will not solve itself (the problem being the immigration of Filipino workers).

You  know, as a medical student I notice that many of my fellow medical colleagues are of either Indian or Pakistani decent. And from talks with them it is common for Pakistani, Indian etc to go abroad after finishing their medical degree and finding jobs as physicians/nurses in the 'states, Canada or Europe and even in the Middle East. That, or many of them send their children to American medical schools (like where I attend) and expect their children to finish medicine and practice. And this is a common thing. Many strive in India to go abroad and to find success abroad. And the government of India, Pakistan etc actually encourage them to go abroad to champion the name of their country, and to make a contribution to the global medical system for the Better.

Additionally, there is, naturally of course, a logical economic incentive for this. Success abroad means success in the home country as it translates into remittances back to the home country and the positive image of the Indian/Pakistani in the medical spheres abroad as well as in technological spheres. I'm only making a specific case of medicine and the medical industry---you get the point.

So naturally, the Philippine government and its spheres, should, by all counts shouldn't even complain considering the OFWs or the so called 'Brain Drain' is the one that is responsible for sending back over $18 BILLION a year back to the country. The Philippine's version of the economic bubble lifeline.

My point and the point of many others: Why complain when, in all actuality, government and the people profit?

Politicians in this country are useless and do nothing. It is a failed system and a flawed system. I am totally conviced of this now. And unfortunatley it is up to the Filipino people to solve their own problems and fend for themselves.

This is the VERY REASON why Filipinos go abroad in the first place. Because government is unable to provide and to solve the economic crisis in the country.

We, as a country, cannot even solve the muslim extrimism in Mindanao and the claim to Sabah. Let alone can we expect them to 'solve' this brain drain situation. They repudiate the phenomona as negative to the country; but they revel in the economical remittances of the OFWs, which funds the programs government enacts by the power they play in paying taxes etc.

Hypocrisy.

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« Reply #91 on: October 04, 2008, 08:34:05 PM »
i am presently taking up nursing  here in usa. i am taking up associate degree in nursing(ADN) which is 2 years and 2 summers. the difference between adn and bsn is that bsn can hold a managerial position whereas adn can not. both can take the nclex and can become rn. high school graduates can enroll adn but as we know high school here in the us is equivalent to second year college in the philippines because you have to study until grade 12 before you graduate high school aside from that, one has to take prerequisite courses before you can be admitted to the program. nursing education  in us is more rigid because you have more  hands on experience aside from the fast paced  lecture. i came to the us as an exchange cultural teacher and taught middle school for 4 years but i burned out and decided to shift gears..

there are lots of jobs here for nurses...

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Re: Market Value for Registered Nurses in the Philippines
« Reply #92 on: October 05, 2008, 12:51:54 AM »
How to find a job if you are filippina and nurse educated? Any advice?

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Re: Market Value for Registered Nurses in the Philippines
« Reply #93 on: October 05, 2008, 05:24:06 PM »
Bonquest posting is a hot topic, nursing is for me a high profession. Medical nurses who came here in Germany are well respected.  It is still high in demand in England and the nearby island like Ireland.  One of the requisite is passing TOEFL ( Test on English as a Second language) The advantage in landing a job in England is that you can bring your family after a certain number of years. Israel seek highly qualified nurses, which means dedicated to their professions.

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