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Re: Market Value for Registered Nurses in the Philippines
« Reply #40 on: August 08, 2008, 10:26:35 PM »
ngano man diay na sya? anything notably wrong about him? hihi!
i don't him personally. wala sad ko kita ana nya. akong migo maoy nagsulti nako nga grabe ka chickboy ning maestroha. iyang uyab nga under aning tawhana hapit jud mada. lagota lagi sa akong migo. ambot naa pa ba kaha na siya diha ron ug ulitawo pa ba. wala naman sad mi nagkita sa akong migo kay nagminyo naman sila atong iyang uyab.

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Re: Market Value for Registered Nurses in the Philippines
« Reply #41 on: August 09, 2008, 12:55:58 PM »
no comment na lang ko,heehehhe!

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Re: Market Value for Registered Nurses in the Philippines
« Reply #42 on: August 09, 2008, 08:58:13 PM »
this thread has turned into a discussion about Rey Villas. that's quite weird. hahahaha!

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Re: Market Value for Registered Nurses in the Philippines
« Reply #43 on: August 09, 2008, 09:35:50 PM »
this thread has turned into a discussion about Rey Villas. that's quite weird. hahahaha!

not really! it was just a mention and that's why i didn't comment na para dili mafocus sa iya since dili baya tawn sya member diri.

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Re: Market Value for Registered Nurses in the Philippines
« Reply #44 on: August 09, 2008, 10:31:47 PM »
namuot ko ni Bol-anon nga Cebuano kay she thought i was studying nursing at BigFoot......
this is my name:

Vincent Henrie Lee Yu, RN

hahahahahah!

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Re: Market Value for Registered Nurses in the Philippines
« Reply #45 on: August 09, 2008, 10:33:23 PM »
this thread has turned into a discussion about Rey Villas. that's quite weird. hahahaha!


Who started it?

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Re: Market Value for Registered Nurses in the Philippines
« Reply #46 on: August 09, 2008, 10:44:38 PM »

Who started it?

my Raymond Villas was a different one from the one at HNU. but if we're going to include him. it would ultimately be bonbonquest who started it. hahahhahaha!

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Re: Market Value for Registered Nurses in the Philippines
« Reply #47 on: August 09, 2008, 11:24:04 PM »
hahahhahhahhah

ma shu-ang ko ninyo oi!

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Re: Market Value for Registered Nurses in the Philippines
« Reply #48 on: August 11, 2008, 03:20:57 AM »
The nursing profession here in the United States is still in massive demand; the only reason why there has been an considerable decease in importation of Filipino nurses from the Philippines is due to the increased immigration laws the country has implemented due to the unchecked illegal immigration as well as a response to America's war on terrorism. Not only has immigration to the United States been taxing to the Filipino, but to every single nationality (Chinese, Taiwanese, Japanese, French, Canadian, British, Rusisan, etc).

Additionally, many more American citizens are picking up nursing as a profession. So, naturally, Americans will endorse a protectionist policy regarding foreign nurses vs. American-trained American nurses. Understand?

The question of quality of training and excellence of schooling in the Philippines is not of any concern. Sure there are great schools that produce excellent Filipino nurses, my mother is one who graduated from C.I.M and is a head ICU/OR nurse. But she, as many nurses are a product of the early 90's brain drain. When the immigration laws were more laxed. The same cannot be said in the 21st century. The point is, why import nurses from abroad when one can train American nurses; and this is a recent fact.

More and more Americans are going into nursing due to community college courses.

Naturally one would get their BSN/RN degree, which is a 4 year degree or 5 year depending on the university or private college. However, here in the United States there is what we call an LPN or RN/AD program. In order to get one's LPN licentiate, it only requires 1 year of community college course. To get their RN/AD, its only 2 years.

However, just because there is a lack of demand on nursing right now does not mean that it will be impressed continually. The current nurses are aging and will be needing replacement; it is already estimated in the journal of new england medicine that by 2015 and 2020, the United States will need an additional 1-2 million nurses to fill in its ranks due to the aging baby-boomer population.

By right of economical supply and demand, there will be an eventual importation of foreign nurses; Filipino nurses being highly  regarded. In the hospital where my mother works, a major health system, she is the D.O.N for ICU. And another Filipina nurse is the director of ER/CCU.

It cannot be denied that Filipinos have a significant role in American health systems. I know, as a medical student and one who has rotated and done internships in Cleveland Health Clinic, Georgetown University Medical Center, Maryland University School of Medicine Health Systems, etc. I see this in my own eyes. Who runs the ICUs, the CCUs, the ERs, the PCUs. It is the Filipino.

Eventually, demand on Filipino nurses will open up again. And it is a worthy and noble profession.

A nurse can easily make $150,000 a year if he or she wanted to. A Nurse anesthetist can easily make $350,000 a year.
Its a practical profession and it is one that litigates support in congress. It's essential.

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Re: Market Value for Registered Nurses in the Philippines
« Reply #49 on: August 11, 2008, 03:30:03 AM »
dili pod fake uy. In the US, it's two years baya gihapon. I should know. I've lived there before.  And they do as well in exams as those who took it as a bachelor's degree.

bytheway, about that "agay nars" expression, that's funny! it's a running joke where I work. that expression still exists nowadays.

Actually, he does have a point. It is preferred if you have your MSN/RN or BSN/RN as it would qualify you to work in administration as well as to proceed in further graduate studies. It is a prerequisite before one goes into a CRNA course (certified registered nurse anesthetist) or a CRNP (certified registered nurse practitioner) masters course that one must have their BSN/RN degree. If one only has their RN/AD, one must go back to class to complete their BSN in order to further one's position.

Let's say one person wants to get his doctoral degree in nursing (D.Nsc) (doctor in nursing science) or DNP (doctorate in nurse practitioner) one needs to have the BSN/RN degree first to even qualify for these courses.

In some medical floors such as ICU (intensive care unit), OR, they prefer if one has an BSN/RN.

But one thing is clear tho; Medical students love nurses. Why? because nurses help us out when we are in rotations. Nurses teach us the ropes; how to chart things, how to evaluate patients. They are an invaluable source of information and are the work horses of the medical profession.

Either one has their BSN/RN, MSN/RN, or just RN/AD; one thing is clear; they are nurses and have earned the respect that they so deserve.

Everything else is just bureaucratic bullshittt. :)

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Re: Market Value for Registered Nurses in the Philippines
« Reply #50 on: August 11, 2008, 06:56:11 AM »
If ever naay nurses nga dili deserving maging nurse, they are the other type.

The one who took BSN with a mindset to get rich. and kana lang jud ila aim.

ex: at the SM mall sa escalator incident. Of course it caused commotion and behind my friend were nursing students (kay they were in uniform), DEspite sa mga naglisud nga med assistant on helping the boy, one of them  said "Aysus! mao ra diay ni kay naay  napi-it! Abi man to nakog artista!! Tara na uy" Like huh?! Tabang kuno mo!

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Re: Market Value for Registered Nurses in the Philippines
« Reply #51 on: August 11, 2008, 12:16:18 PM »
wala uroy sila naulaw,kiams, knowing they were in uniforms.

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Re: Market Value for Registered Nurses in the Philippines
« Reply #52 on: August 11, 2008, 11:12:44 PM »
mga parents naman ron ang magbuot sa ilang anak nga pakuhaan ug nursing sa college aron maka abroad. ako lang ig-agaw, nikuha ug nautical kay mag seaman. gipa shift sa akong uncle sa nursing aron maka migrate sa US or canada. nindot man unta pud ang seaman pero ang rason sa akong uncle kung walay barko kasakyan estambay, maypa nursing kay pwede sa mga ospital ug call center kung dili pa kapasar sa CGFNS or NCLEX. naa ron graduating na intawn ang bata.

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« Reply #53 on: August 11, 2008, 11:58:54 PM »
dili na dawaton mga BSN grads sa call centers..

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Re: Market Value for Registered Nurses in the Philippines
« Reply #54 on: August 12, 2008, 12:30:07 AM »
Bem,

Aren't there even any hospitals and clinics to take in the Filipino nurses who unable to go abroad still?

For me, it's all about waiting. When God wills it to be one's time, then it will be so. I have one cousin who graduated Nursing from UP a couple of years ago. She waited for about a year and a half and was finally given a position in the UK. I have another cousin who graduated and is right now waiting for her paper work to allow her to migrate here to NJ to work in a hospital up north jersey. She's been waiting for 2 years pero it is finally manifesting.

They key ani is to wait and have faith. Ing ani man jud ang mga immigration process. It doesn't take days or weeks. It takes several months and years even.

Key to this is being delikado and patient. Just like what you have to be when you are working in the hospital system here in the U.S.A.


To all aspiring nurses and nursing students, have faith! It will come in time.

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Re: Market Value for Registered Nurses in the Philippines
« Reply #55 on: August 12, 2008, 12:58:22 AM »
there are. but it's like 8 hrs shift bana? with 20 plus patients for the day and ang imo net allowance is naa ra mga P1500.. luoy lage..

im talking about the bsn grads nga dili kaau ganahan sa course ha

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Re: Market Value for Registered Nurses in the Philippines
« Reply #56 on: August 12, 2008, 02:33:23 PM »

Everything else is just bureaucratic bullshittt. :)

I'm a huge fan of this expression, Lorenzo...
Ultimately, it all boils down to that... hahaha!

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Re: Market Value for Registered Nurses in the Philippines
« Reply #57 on: August 12, 2008, 02:35:29 PM »
dili na dawaton mga BSN grads sa call centers..

naa ko'y friend nga nadawat sa Convergys... hahahah!... but she's not an RN... a BSN grad, nonetheless...

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« Reply #58 on: August 12, 2008, 11:36:37 PM »
dili na dawaton mga BSN grads sa call centers..
dawaton siguro oi. akong mga silingan call center man work taghuwat sa result sa ilang NCLEX, Board or CGFNS.

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« Reply #59 on: August 13, 2008, 09:44:58 AM »
dawaton siguro oi. akong mga silingan call center man work taghuwat sa result sa ilang NCLEX, Board or CGFNS.

naa'y mga call centers nga modawat gihapon but naa lang jud uban nga mga arte!... hahahahah!

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Re: Market Value for Registered Nurses in the Philippines
« Reply #60 on: August 14, 2008, 12:52:43 AM »
laysho man kunohay ang mga nars. labi pa nang gikan sa SWU, CDU ug Velez. ambot lang walay katupong sa kaarte.

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« Reply #61 on: August 14, 2008, 01:57:07 AM »
when cya nadawat? kay two months ago mani nagsugod nga d na madawat

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« Reply #62 on: August 14, 2008, 02:15:01 AM »
Bem, 8 hour shifts are typical shifts.

The hospital where I did my summer internship in, Virtua West Jersey Health Systems, had nursing students completing their clinical rotations. I managed to talk to some of them and it is common for first year nurses to work 12-16 hour shifts over here. Depends where one is relegated at.

If one is working in Med Surg (medical surgical), you'll see alot of patients even up to 15-20 patients per nurse. If you're working in Telemetry Unit, its even common to care for 20+ pts. Depends on how many nurses are on duty that shift.
However if one is placed in more intensive units such as ICU, CCU, ER, OR, PCU, PACU etc, then you'll be caring for 4 or less patients. In particular, the floor where my mother works at is in ICU where there are no Nurse's aids allowed; the nurse-to-patient interaction is direct. So it's common to have 1 or 2 patients per nurse. Then again, this depends on how many nurses were on duty that particular shift/day/night.


I agree with you that the nursing field is a very demanding one. Any medical field, by right, will be demanding and taxing on the individual; mentally as well as physically. As we are not dealing with financial funds, not with reparing television sets, directing shows, writing papers, etc. In medicine/nursing, you are dealing with the life of an individual.

If you loose a life, you cannot just replace it or refund it. That makes this professional field a league of its own.

As what the floor director told the nursing students, "If you can't take the heat. Get out of the kitchen."

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« Reply #63 on: August 14, 2008, 07:13:22 AM »
when cya nadawat? kay two months ago mani nagsugod nga d na madawat

last month xa nadawat, actually... and I was even surprised... rejoice2x gud intawon ang kagwang kay ga-tuo nga di na jud xa ka-land og trabaho nga disente diri.. hahaha!

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« Reply #64 on: August 14, 2008, 07:35:09 AM »
haha as usual..naa rapud na kung gin unsa ug tubag ang HR , :)

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« Reply #65 on: August 14, 2008, 11:38:22 AM »
Quick question,

What is the salary range of nurses in the Philippines. Its within the 15-20k range diba?


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« Reply #66 on: August 21, 2008, 10:10:36 PM »
Quick question,

What is the salary range of nurses in the Philippines. Its within the 15-20k range diba?

entry level nurse doesn't receive that amount.only mid-level nurses such as staff nurses or supervisors. that's why many of them prefer to go abroad than stick in the country.

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« Reply #67 on: August 21, 2008, 10:33:44 PM »
gamay ra ko ug pay no. I only get a net of roughly 8 per month. This is quite harsh considering that I'm a nurse. The salaries here are inhumane, seriously.

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« Reply #68 on: August 22, 2008, 12:09:30 AM »
gamay ra ko ug pay no. I only get a net of roughly 8 per month. This is quite harsh considering that I'm a nurse. The salaries here are inhumane, seriously.

Huh as small as this 8tau / month?? wow its nearly your monthly allowance during you study that course excluding your tuition fees :(

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« Reply #69 on: August 22, 2008, 04:10:15 PM »
A net of 8k a month? They should seriously repair the medical situation in the Philippines. Increasing the salary of our nurses would be incentive to keep more nurses in the country.



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Re: Market Value for Registered Nurses in the Philippines
« Reply #70 on: August 22, 2008, 10:28:27 PM »
A net of 8k a month? They should seriously repair the medical situation in the Philippines. Increasing the salary of our nurses would be incentive to keep more nurses in the country.


that would mean increase in hospital fees pare.

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« Reply #71 on: August 23, 2008, 01:38:33 AM »
Dili pood diay mo offer ang government sa subsidies sa hospitals?



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Re: Market Value for Registered Nurses in the Philippines
« Reply #72 on: August 24, 2008, 10:15:56 PM »
Dili pood diay mo offer ang government sa subsidies sa hospitals?



I know, for a fact, that the Philippine government does not do that.
Luoy lagi, Bran.  I really feel bad for our nurses kay mura'g gi-undermine ilang work ba.  Di baya jud lalim magnurse.

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Re: Market Value for Registered Nurses in the Philippines
« Reply #73 on: August 25, 2008, 09:45:09 AM »
Dili jud tawon lalim Bon, kana lang Pharmacology pwerteng lisura! ngek jud!

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Re: Market Value for Registered Nurses in the Philippines
« Reply #74 on: August 25, 2008, 11:39:32 PM »
maglisod man gani ang gobyerno pag maintain sa ilang mga hospitals how much more ang pagsubsidized sa sweldo sa mga nurses.

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Re: Market Value for Registered Nurses in the Philippines
« Reply #75 on: August 25, 2008, 11:51:42 PM »
This is just totally catastrophic. Thank you kaayo, Bon, for giving me that information.

The government has no one else to blame for the migration of nurses and physicians abroad but themselves for the magnanimous medical situation in the Philippines.

For me, I see nothing wrong with nursing students going abroad to find a job; they follow economic law. Supply and Demand.

There is alot of supply of Filipino nurses; there is little demand in the Philippines due to the saturation of the source; but there is quite a high demand for the said source in the West and Middle East. So naturally and logically, mo follow pood ang mga Filipino medical professionals sa flow.

Until the government can increase the standard of living/pay grade of atong mga nurses and physicians; they cannot expect to reduce the immigration of said professionals abroad. Les the demand of said sources decreases due to global economic hardships, immigration laws, and/or a growing saturation of said source in the importing countries.



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« Reply #76 on: August 27, 2008, 12:15:58 AM »
So we can say that nurses who are stationed in the Philippines are sort of doing charity. They are not earning, but donating services.

Since they choose to stay, knowing thier loss; they can be of equal stand to thier overseas counterparts who are called heroes.

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« Reply #77 on: August 27, 2008, 12:00:28 PM »
So we can say that nurses who are stationed in the Philippines are sort of doing charity. They are not earning, but donating services.

Since they choose to stay, knowing thier loss; they can be of equal stand to thier overseas counterparts who are called heroes.

Exactly, Macks!

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Re: Market Value for Registered Nurses in the Philippines
« Reply #78 on: August 27, 2008, 03:30:12 PM »

So we can say that nurses who are stationed in the Philippines are sort of doing charity. They are not earning, but donating services.

Since they choose to stay, knowing thier loss; they can be of equal stand to thier overseas counterparts who are called heroes.


Exactly, Macks!




Halos tanan sa mga tao dinhi sa Pilipinas gusto manglarga sa gawas, nurses included.  They didn't choose to stay.  They stayed because they lack the experience or lack of papers or failing to pass the state exam.  or not making the right connections,  etc,etc, etc.  They are force to "do charity or donating services" while waiting for the right time kay wala na may mahimo.

OFW?  Accidental heroes!  Lets face it.  Nanggawas na sila not because for the love of country  but for the love of the family nga mahatagan ug maayong kinabuhi.  Immigrants?  Nisamot.  Nanglayas na dire sa pilipinas kay wala na kasabot sa atong panggobyerno.

So parehas ra ning mga nurse dinhi nga mga nabilin.  Mga accidental heroes. hehehe :D :D :D

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« Reply #79 on: August 27, 2008, 08:04:56 PM »
Mao ni ang big reality, labi na sa panahon karon nga crisis ang Pilipinas. So most of our professionals are aiming to migrate or work in foreign countries. It is but normal for a person to go for the best, ride the wagon to greener pasture. I must admit, I am one. Hehehe.

But unfortunately some Imigrants/OFWs find their status as poor in their new country or just 2nd class citizens and sometimes discriminated. Even the ones with professional degrees find themselves in humiliating jobs. Going abroad for the first time is like playing Russian roulette, uncertain. Most are suffering from loneliness and there is a constant desire of going home/joining their loved ones.

Regarding love of country, maybe you mean love of government. One may hate the government but still love his country. Since OFW’s prime goal is to improve the living condition of his family, it is already considered love of country, since family is the basic unit of our society.

Heroes: It is the will and courage that makes one a hero and not the result of an endevour. So there is no such thing as accidental heroes.

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