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Collapse of US Car Companies
« on: December 19, 2008, 06:36:30 AM »
President Bush will not allow a "disorderly collapse" of the US car industry, the White House has said.

Spokeswoman Dana Perino said the president was nearing a conclusion on how to provide the carmakers with financial assistance.

She said a disorderly collapse of the Big Three was "not an option", though she ruled out any bail-out on Thursday.

A $14bn (£9.4bn) rescue failed in the Senate last week, raising fears of job cuts and a possible industry collapse.

In a statement to reporters, Ms Perino said: "We're nearing a conclusion, we're narrowing options, I just don't have anything for you today."

The Big Three US carmakers are waiting for the US government to find a way to help the struggling car industry.

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Re: Collapse of US Car Companies
« Reply #1 on: December 19, 2008, 06:57:06 AM »
Mike, di ba ang "bail-out" usa sa pinaka bag-o nga word sa Webster's Disctionary. Kung imong tan-awon last year, it was not there.

Nakalimot ko dis-a nako to nabasahi, basin sa yahoo news.

Ang meaning ani is to give assistance or guarantee. Nagamit ni frequently nga word tungod sa US economic recession karong tuiga.

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Re: Collapse of US Car Companies
« Reply #2 on: December 19, 2008, 10:52:14 AM »
Macky,

The word "bail out" has been in existence. It just gained more popularity in the aftermath of US financial trouble.

This year, the Oxford Dictionary Committee (or was it Webster?) voted bailout as the "Word of the Year". I think that's the info you got from Yahoo News.

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Re: Collapse of US Car Companies
« Reply #3 on: December 19, 2008, 01:46:49 PM »
ang meaning daw ana "pautang" sa binisaya pa 5/6!

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Re: Collapse of US Car Companies
« Reply #4 on: December 19, 2008, 05:00:19 PM »
its long in the making because of their business practices and strategies which gone sour .....
common nga word ang bail out sa mga fisherman aron dili malunod ila sakayan..


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Re: Collapse of US Car Companies
« Reply #5 on: December 19, 2008, 05:41:34 PM »
Hayahay ra ning mga tawhana dagko kaayo ug bunos ug sweldo ila mga CEO unya nganong wa may kwarta.Asa raman diay tong ila gipanghambug nga profit sale.Nangabunkrupt ni sila kay padagkuay man ug sweldo nga ila trabaho lingkod lingkod ra unya katong mao nuoy nagwork menus.Dapat unta ning mga big CEO way bunos.Tan awa ang japanese car company ngano segi man lagi ug saka ila profit naa ra jud ni sa pagdinaa aning mga tibaghak.Here the modern parable
A Japanese company (Toyota) and an American company (Ford) decided to have
a canoe race on the Missouri River. Both teams practiced long and hard to
reach their peak performance before the race.
On the big day, the Japanese won by a mile. The Americans, very
discouraged and depressed, decided to investigate the reason for the
crushing defeat. A management team made up of senior management was
formed to investigate and recommend
appropriate action. Their conclusion was the Japanese had 8 people rowing
and 1 person steering, while the American team had 8 people steering and
1 person rowing. Feeling a deeper study was in order, American management
hired a consulting company and paid them a large amount of money for a
second opinion. They advised, of course, that too many people were
steering the boat, while not enough people were rowing.

Not sure of how to utilize that information, but wanting to prevent
another loss to the Japanese, the rowing team's management structure was
totally reorganized to 4 steering supervisors, 3 area steering
superintendents, and 1 assistant superintendent steering manager. They
also implemented a new performance system that would give the 1 person
rowing the boat greater incentive to work harder. It was called the
'Rowing Team Quality First Program,' with meetings, dinners, and free pens
for the rower. There was discussion of getting new paddles, canoes, and
other equipment, extra vacation days for practices and bonuses.
The next year the Japanese won by two miles.
Humiliated, the American management laid off the rower for poor
performance, halted development of a new canoe, sold the paddles, and
canceled all capital investments for new equipment. The money saved was
distributed to the Senior Executives as bonuses and the next year's
racing team was out-sourced to India.
Sadly, The End.

Here's something else to think about: Ford has spent the last thirty years
moving all its factories out of the US, claiming they can't make money
paying American wages.

TOYOTA has spent the last thirty years building more than a dozen plants
inside the US.

The last quarter's results:
TOYOTA makes 4 billion in profits while Ford racked up 9 billion in
losses.

Ford folks are still scratching their heads.

IF THIS WEREN'T TRUE, IT MIGHT BE FUNNY.



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Re: Collapse of US Car Companies
« Reply #6 on: December 19, 2008, 10:37:33 PM »
I sent this article to some of my Yahoo buddy list, but to some whom i dont have email address, take time to read....


Below is an editorial written this morning concerning the current situation in Washington with the Big Three Domestic Automakers.  I couldn't have said it better myself.  This Ford dealer is from Pittsburgh.  Please take the time to read. Forward to whomever it might make a difference.



Editor:
As I watched the coverage of the fate of the U.S. auto industry, one alarming and frustrating fact hits me right between the eyes. The fate of our nation's economic survival is in the hands of some congressmen who are completely out of touch and act without knowledge of an industry that affects almost every person in our nation. The same lack of knowledge is shared with many journalists whom are irresponsible when influencing the opinion of millions of viewers.

Sen. Richard Shelby of Alabama has doomed the industry, calling it a dinosaur. No Mr. Shelby, you are the dinosaur, with ideas stuck in the '70s, '80s and '90s. You and the uninformed journalist and senators that hold onto myths that are not relevant in today's world.

When you say that the Big Three build vehicles nobody wants to buy, you must have overlooked that GM outsold Toyota by about 1.2 million vehicles in the U.S. and Ford outsold Honda by 850,000 and Nissan by 1.2 million in the U.S. GM was the world's No. 1 automaker beating Toyota by 3,000 units.

When you claim inferior quality comes from the Big Three, did you realize that Chevy makes the Malibu and Ford makes the Fusion that were both rated over the Camry and Accord by J.D. Power independent survey on initial quality? Did you bother to read the Consumer Report that rated Ford on par with good Japanese automakers.

Did you realize Big Three's gas guzzlers include the 33 mpg Malibu that beats the Accord. And for '09 Ford introduces the Hybrid Fusion whose 39 mpg is the best midsize, beating the Camry Hybrid. Ford's Focus beats the Corolla and Chevy's Cobalt beats the Civic.

When you ask how many times are we going to bail them out you must be referring to 1980. The only Big Three bailout was Chrysler, who paid back $1 billion, plus interest. GM and Ford have never received government aid.

When you criticize the Big Three for building so many pickups, surely you've noticed the attempts Toyota and Nissan have made spending billions to try to get a piece of that pie. Perhaps it bothers you that for 31 straight years Ford's F-Series has been the best selling vehicle. Ford and GM have dominated this market and when you see the new '09 F-150 you'll agree this won't change soon.

Did you realize that both GM and Ford offer more hybrid models than Nissan or Honda. Between 2005 and 2007, Ford alone has invested more than $22 billion in research and development of technologies such as Eco Boost, flex fuel, clean diesel, hybrids, plug in hybrids and hydrogen cars.

It's 2008 and the quality of the vehicles coming out of Detroit are once again the best in the world.
Perhaps Sen. Shelby isn't really that blind. Maybe he realizes the quality shift to American. Maybe it's the fact that his state of Alabama has given so much to land factories from Honda, Hyundai and Mercedes Benz that he is more concerned about their continued growth than he is about the people of our country. Sen. Shelby's disdain for "government subsidies" is very hypocritical. In the early '90s he was the driving force behind a $253 million incentive package to Mercedes. Plus, Alabama agreed to purchase 2,500 vehicles from Mercedes. While the bridge loan the Big Three is requesting will be paid back, Alabama's $180,000-plus per job was pure incentive. Sen. Shelby, not only are you out of touch, you are a self-serving hypocrite, who is prepared to ruin our nation because of lack of knowledge and lack of due diligence in making your opinions and decisions.

After 9/11, the Detroit Three and Harley Davidson gave $40 million-plus emergency vehicles to the recovery efforts. What was given to the 9/11 relief effort by the Asian and European Auto Manufactures? $0 Nada. Zip!

We live in a world of free trade, world economy and we have not been able to produce products as cost efficiently. While the governments of other auto producing nations subsidize their automakers, our government may be ready to force its demise. While our automakers have paid union wages, benefits and legacy debt, our Asian competitors employ cheap la bor. We are at an extreme disadvantage in production cost. Although many UAW concessions begin in 2010, many lawmakers think it's not enough.

Some point the blame to corporate management. I would like to speak of Ford Motor Co. The company has streamlined by reducing our workforce by 51,000 since 2005, closing 17 plants and cutting expenses. Product and future product is excellent and the company is focused on one Ford. This is a company poised for success. Ford product quality and corporate management have improved light years since the nightmare of Jacques Nasser. Thank you Alan Mulally and the best auto company management team in the business.

The financial collapse caused by the secondary mortgage fiasco and the greed of Wall Street has led to a $700 billion bailout of the industry that created the problem. AIG spent nearly $1 million on three company excursions to lavish resorts and hunting destinations. Paulson is saying no to $250 billion foreclosure relief and the whole thing is a mess. So when the Big Three ask for 4 percent of that of the $700 billion, $25 billion to save the country's largest industry, there is obviously oppositions. But does it make sense to reward the culprits of the problem with $700 billion unconditionally, and ignore the victims?

As a Ford dealer, I feel our portion of the $25 billion will never be touched and is not necessary. Fo rd currently has $29 billion of liquidity. However, the effect of a bankruptcy by GM will hurt the suppliers we all do business with. A Chapter 11 bankruptcy by any manufacture would cost retirees their health care and retirements. Chances are GM would recover from Chapter 11 with a better business plan with much less expense. So who foots the bill if GM or all three go Chapter 11? All that extra health care, unemployment, loss of tax base and some forgiven debt goes back to the taxpayer, us. With no chance of repayment, this would be much worse than a loan with the intent of repayment.

So while it is debatable whether a loan or Chapter 11 is better for the Big Three, a $25 billion loan is definitely better for the taxpayers and the economy of our country.

So I'll end where I began on the quality of the products of Detroit. Before you, Mr. or Ms. Journalist continue to misinform the American public and turn them against one of the great industries that helped build this nation, I must ask you one question. Before you, Mr. or Madam Congressman vote to end health care and retirement benefits for 1 million retirees, eliminate 2.5 million of our nation's jobs, lose the technology that will lead us in the future and create an economic disaster including hundreds of billions of tax dollars lost, I ask this question not in the rhetorical sense. I ask it in the sincere, literal way. Can you tell me, have you driven a Ford lately?

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Re: Collapse of US Car Companies
« Reply #7 on: December 19, 2008, 11:33:39 PM »
Bailout approved: Automakers to get $17.4B

 AP – President George W. Bush makes comments on the auto industry, Friday, Dec. 19, 2008, in the Roosevelt … WASHINGTON – Citing danger to the national economy, the Bush administration approved an emergency bailout of the U.S. auto industry Friday, offering $17.4 billion in rescue loans in exchange for concessions from the deeply troubled carmakers and their workers.

The government will have the option of becoming a stockholder in the companies, much as it has with major banks, in effect partially nationalizing the industry.

At the same time, Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson said Congress should release the second $350 billion from the financial rescue fund that it approved in October to bail out huge financial institutions. Tapping the fund for the auto industry basically exhausts the first half of the $700 billion total, he said.

President Bush said, "Allowing the auto companies to collapse is not a responsible course of action." Bankruptcy, he said, would deal "an unacceptably painful blow to hardworking Americans" across the economy.

One official said $13.4 billion of the money would be available this month and next, $9.4 billion for General Motors Corp. and $4 billion for Chrysler LLC. Both companies have said they soon might be unable to pay their bills without federal help. Ford Motor Co. has said it does not need immediate help.

Bush's plan is designed to keep the auto industry running in the short term, passing the longer-range problem on to the incoming administration of President-elect Barack Obama.

Bush said the rescue package demanded concessions similar to those outlined in a bailout plan that was approved by the House but rejected by the Senate a week ago. It would give the automakers three months to come up with restructuring plans to become viable companies.

If they fail to produce a plan by March 31, the automakers will be required to repay the loans, which they would find very difficult.

"The time to make hard decisions to become viable is now, or the only option will be bankruptcy," Bush said. "The automakers and unions must understand what is at stake and make hard decisions necessary to reform."

He said the companies' workers should agree to wage and work rules that are competitive with foreign automakers by the end of next year.

And he called for elimination of a "jobs bank" program — negotiated by the United Auto Workers and the companies — under which laid-off workers receive unemployment benefits and supplemental pay from their companies for 48 weeks. If they remain laid off beyond that, they move to a jobs bank in which the company provides about 95% of their pay and benefits. Until the most recent contract, people could remain in the jobs bank for years. Early this month, the UAW agreed to suspend the program.

Under terms of the loan, GM and Chrysler must provide the government with stock warrants giving it the option to buy GM and Chrysler stock at a specific price.

In addition, the automakers would be required to agree to limits on executive pay and eliminate some perks such as corporate jets.

Paulson said that with the help for the carmakers, the government will have allocated the first half of the largest government bailout program in history.

He said he was confident that the Treasury Department, Federal Reserve and Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. have the resources to address a significant market crisis if one should occur before Congress approves the use of the second half of the rescue fund.

Paulson said he would discuss the process with congressional leaders and Obama's transition team "in the near future."

The White House package is the lifeline desperately sought by U.S. automakers, who warned they were running out of money as the economy fell deeper into recession, car loans became scarce and consumers stopped shopping for cars.

The carmakers have announced extended holiday shutdowns. Chrysler is closing all 30 of its North American manufacturing plants for four weeks because of slumping sales; Ford will shut 10 North American assembly plants for an extra week in January, and General Motors will temporarily close 20 factories — many for the entire month of January — to cut vehicle production.

Bush said the auto manufactures have faced serious challenges for many years: burdensome costs, a shrinking share of the market and plunging profits. "In recent months, the global financial crisis has made these challenges even more severe," he said.

The president said that on the one hand, the government has a responsibility not to undermine the private enterprise system, yet on the other hand, it must safeguard the broader health and stability of the U.S. economy.

"If we were to allow the free market to take its course now, it would almost certainly lead to disorderly bankruptcy and liquidation for the automakers," he said.

"Under ordinary economic circumstances, I would say this is the price that failed companies must pay," the president said. "And I would not favor intervening to prevent the automakers from going out of business. But these are not ordinary circumstances.

"In the midst of a financial crisis and a recession, allowing the U.S. auto industry to collapse is not a responsible course of action."

Chrysler CEO Bob Nardelli thanked the administration for its help.

In a statement Friday morning, Nardelli said the initial injection of capital will help the company get through its cash crisis and help eventually return to profitability. He said Chrysler was committed to meeting the conditions set by Bush in exchange for the money.

Ford President and CEO Alan Mulally said his company would not seek the short-term financial assistance but predicted the aid would stabilize the industry.

"The U.S. auto industry is highly interdependent, and a failure of one of our competitors would have a ripple effect that could jeopardize millions of jobs and further damage the already weakened U.S. economy," Mulally said.

General Motors said the short-term loans would help preserve jobs and "lead to a leaner, stronger General Motors."

"We know we have much work in front of us to accomplish our plan. It is our intention to continue to be transparent as we execute our plan, and we will provide regular updates on our progress," the automaker said.


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Re: Collapse of US Car Companies
« Reply #8 on: December 19, 2008, 11:43:40 PM »
finally!!!

honest Ray nia baja diri sa among state ang big 3!
and yeah daghan kaajo factories diri sa among state, most money that circulate here is from the auto making industries and farming...

ug maka numdom mo sa recession in 1937 nga naapektohan ang tibuok kalibutan? naapektohan sad ang automakers adtong panahona, but they were able to come up with solutions and did great from that on.

so mao karon sa nahitabo, i am very optimistic nga we could come up a good solution too para mobalik ang ekonomiya sa Auto industries...

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« Reply #9 on: December 20, 2008, 06:30:04 AM »
Siguro mo agree na ang uban nga state nga i-modify ang mga cars like in California nga puede nimo ipa low profile ang sakyanan or butangan nimo ug mga spoilers & hydraulic Jacks & subwoofers. Maayo ni nga paagi para ma utilize ang mga daan nga sakyanan para dili na mopalit ug bag-o.

Pareha ba sa reality show nga "Pimp my Ride".

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Re: Collapse of US Car Companies
« Reply #10 on: December 20, 2008, 06:59:04 AM »
hahaha!

Naa na daw silay gibuhat nga HYBRID Mackz, ingon ang migo ni banana nga nag work sa GM.

Mogawas daw na sha sa 2010, battery daw ug gasolina, pero ug sa mga side street ra ka moo drive (daw) most likely ug sa mga downtown ra ka mag drive ang pinaka kusog nga speed is only 40 ang uban nga streets kay 25 kasagaran so battery daw ang ma consume sa makina. So kada establishments diri (daw) butangan ug outlet para mo charge ka sa battery. In that sense kay ang gasolina di naman kaajo magamit, murag ma hinay sad ang negos ni Abdullah ana so most likely, maka balhin na ka ana diri sa among continent!!!

o di va???

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« Reply #11 on: December 20, 2008, 07:09:20 AM »
Actually Bella, daghan nga gi sirad-an nga mga oil wells dire sa Saudi. Ang hari mismo ang nagpasira.

Ang iyang reason simple lang. Para mo artificial shortage ug mo balik pag mahal ang Gasolina.

Mga tikasan gyud ning mga tawhana. Pero di bale, naa na may daghang bio fuel nga na imbento.

Basin ang trend sa 2009 dili na pod uso ang kotse. Basin uso na pod ang bisekleta.

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« Reply #12 on: December 20, 2008, 07:17:27 AM »
korek kitay maka una Macky! hahahaha

abi nimo Macks daghan naman bio fuel diri, kana gani imong wine nga gikan sa sugar mao man sad na ilang ginahimo ug fuel diri... btw, lahi lagi among sugar diri kay murag singkamas gitanom dili taas preha sa tobo (cane)...

anyhow,  kana diay gasolina Mackz, naa diay na silay mga murag buaya (mugna sa mga republican) nga mga negosyante... mura ba ug isda sa Bohol ng anaay mopalit dayun paliton sa mga retailer... mao nay gisibya diri lately. Mao nga maka buot sila sa presyo, it is the Buaya's who controlled the price nga mga SANGGA nilang Bush ug Cheney ug uban pa.

Karon kay si Barry kay di man ana mo sugot...mag kotkot man daw mi ug amoa diri ug mag himo daw sad mi ug daghang windmills para koryente...

si Abdullah di pa na ma pordoy pero mahinay jud ang ija negos...

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« Reply #13 on: December 21, 2008, 01:30:39 AM »
japanese cars are known for their realibility. that's why i buy from them, not from those big 3's. besides, most of the japs cars retain more value than their US counterparts...

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« Reply #14 on: December 21, 2008, 02:08:42 AM »
That is what you thought...most asians in cali are driving asian cars that includes me but when you go out farther to the east then you can see more american cars on the road...i only realized it lately when we roam around most in the mid and east part of the country...

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« Reply #15 on: December 21, 2008, 03:55:25 AM »
really...i didn't know that. and, basing on my own observation here,  many people still love their big trucks and SUVs, like what US Big 3 have produced. and in part, i surmise, it has also to do with loyalty to US products.

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