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Into Your Heart => Love Talk => Topic started by: bonbonquest on June 27, 2008, 11:45:45 AM

Title: SO WHAT if you're BOTH MEN or BOTH WOMEN?
Post by: bonbonquest on June 27, 2008, 11:45:45 AM
Being raised in a heavily conservative Roman Catholic environment has certainly become a hindrance for homosexual couples...  Don't you think so, too?

Human as they are, members of the LGBT community are capable of genuine love that stretches miles beyond the typical perception of the general public.  They have the same basic needs that every other human being has.  And one of these is to love and be loved in return.

But why do the religious institutions have to smite these gay and lesbian couples when they're just going about their business loving each other?  They aren't harming anyone or anything!  Why does there have to be a predefined bracket for human love?  Why do they (religious institutions) feel that they are obliged to take control over what they perceive to be wrong?  Why can't they just swallow reality?  That they don't really have a say in these things!  That these things really do happen!  And that LOVE drives it as much as heterosexual couples--or possibly even more than them!

Furthermore, why do they insist that God despises these things when in fact they are the very institution telling us that God loves unconditionally?  What an outlook!

What do you think?
Title: Re: SO WHAT if you're BOTH MEN or BOTH WOMEN?
Post by: Bambi on June 27, 2008, 01:33:47 PM
welcome to TB bonbonquest!

To the above-subject....I have no problem with it. Have  good homosexual friends.  Every individual has the right path to follow and he/she can freely decide which/what kind of life he must have to live which makes him happy and satisfied. Live life without if and buts.....life is too short anyway.
Title: Re: SO WHAT if you're BOTH MEN or BOTH WOMEN?
Post by: bonbonquest on June 27, 2008, 02:50:22 PM

yeah!... exactly what I'm talking about... thanks sa response...

and thanks for the welcome...  ;D
Title: Re: SO WHAT if you're BOTH MEN or BOTH WOMEN?
Post by: mae_flor on June 27, 2008, 02:57:55 PM
welcome here Bonbon, i do agree with your idea..coz i have friends and relatives with that same feelings too..congrats ha!
Title: Re: SO WHAT if you're BOTH MEN or BOTH WOMEN?
Post by: bonbonquest on June 27, 2008, 03:13:33 PM

thanks for agreeing... it's not my idea, though... it's a shared feeling namo tanan sa community... the feeling has been around since time in memoriam bya... heheh!
Title: Re: SO WHAT if you're BOTH MEN or BOTH WOMEN?
Post by: Lorenzo on July 01, 2008, 08:12:48 AM
God loves unconditionally[/b]?  What an outlook!

What do you think?

Bonbon,

I stand quite moderately in this though I must admit that I will lean towards the conservative view. I have friends in college who are gay and lesbian, and I have developed a sense of respect and brotherly-love for them. I know one Filipino individual named JC who I've regarded as a 'kapatid'.

I respect humans, despite their sexual preferences, their race, ethnicity, political leaning. As human beings we are entitled to that basic right; and understanding of our multi-ethnicities, and different ways of life is key to symbiosis.

Though I respect the person, that does not mean that I condone and accept the 'ACT' of homosexuality.

It is taught to us through scripture as a grievous sin. There is a direct reference to this in scripture:

"You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination."

-Lev. 18:22

"Or do you not know that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, 10nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, shall inherit the kingdom of God."
-1 Cor. 6:9-10

"For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, 27and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error. 28And just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God any longer, God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do those things which are not proper."
-Rom. 1:26-28

Bonbon, God does love UNCONDITIONALLY. However, there are acts referred in scripture that are abominable sins in the eyes of our Lord. Pray tell me you do know the history of Sodom and Gomorahh? And the justice that was dealt on these two sister cities?

My view on this is that we should love and respect our fellow human beings. Either they be Christian or not, straight or not. The ACT of homosexuality is a sin. And like any other sin, should be repented. It is like any sins in the eyes of God. You are Catholic and a Christian. You should already know this.

This is just my view.
Title: Re: SO WHAT if you're BOTH MEN or BOTH WOMEN?
Post by: ms da binsi on July 01, 2008, 08:15:34 AM
Bon, i have no problem with that.

Dili ko mo tuo nga ang Ginoo dili mo dawat nimo sa langit kay ikaw mao na!

Ang akong gi tuohang GINOO is Love, way gipili, unconditional...


P.S.

Ang dili nako ma take kanang mo hala ug donkey kay di na kakita ug partner, lahi ra pod na!
Title: Re: SO WHAT if you're BOTH MEN or BOTH WOMEN?
Post by: Lorenzo on July 01, 2008, 08:28:44 AM
Excessive Lust is of the Devil. And such acts will lead to perdition. This is why we have instances of pedophelia, rape, and murder-rapes.

Uncontrolled, and tormented by rampaging Lust.




Title: Re: SO WHAT if you're BOTH MEN or BOTH WOMEN?
Post by: orChids on July 01, 2008, 08:30:00 AM
Wa jod koy problema.Bisan akong anak mabading pa,basta happy siya I will support him.
Ang importante para nako is to be me and live happily.Kung unsa siya it doesn't matter.
I love gays,and I have friends nga gays nga namiss nako.Musta na kaha sila?

Welcome sa TB Bon.
Title: Re: SO WHAT if you're BOTH MEN or BOTH WOMEN?
Post by: ms da binsi on July 01, 2008, 08:44:28 AM
Naa may straight people nga excessive ang ilang lust as in biagon na jud kaajo mang rape naman lang gani, plus tan-aw ug porn para mag self help or whatever, dili baja ang bajut dautan ba. There are many bajut nga usa ra jud ilang partner, naniguwang naman lang gani sila. Its just so happen nga dili nila ma take ang opposite sex.
Title: Re: SO WHAT if you're BOTH MEN or BOTH WOMEN?
Post by: Lorenzo on July 01, 2008, 08:52:28 AM
Yes, you are very right, 'te.

Carnal lust is a sin that any human being commits. Christian or not. Gay or straight.

In my faith, it is taught that the act of Homosexuality is a sin, however, just because one is homosexual does not mean that that individual is lesser in the eyes of God. Salvation has been secured through the death of Christ Jesus on the Cross. His death on the cross has conquered the power of Satan on Earth. Yes, homosexuality is an abominable sin in scripture, but so is murder, theft, drunkard-ways, pride, anger, jealousy etc.

The point is, we are all sinful and imperfect in the eyes of the Father.

But salvation is guaranteed to us. If we believe in the Christ, In His Father, the miracles of Jesus, the teachings of scripture and the innate need to repent our sins.

This is what is meant by the UNCONDITIONAL love of our God. That he even looks past the MULTITUDE of Sins.

As it is said,

"The LORD is slow to anger and abundant in lovingkindness, forgiving iniquity and transgression; but He will by no means clear the guilty, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and the fourth generations."
-Numbers 14:18
Title: Re: SO WHAT if you're BOTH MEN or BOTH WOMEN?
Post by: orChids on July 01, 2008, 08:53:02 AM
Korek dear.Wa man na tuyu-a nila nga mabajot pod.Akong inanak kay nabajot jod siya,I knew it when he was just 6 years old kay lahi na iyang lihok,now he's 14.Excited na hinoon ko nga maghimo ug parlor para niya.Oy malibre na jod ko ug pa beauty.
I have a wonderful time with my gay friends,mga si-aw man sila.Kanang mga lust nga giingon depende na sa tawo na.Dunay mga dagkong tawo kunuhay nga mga hangol sa sex nga mang rape naman gani mao nay di dawaton sa katilingban.
Title: Re: SO WHAT if you're BOTH MEN or BOTH WOMEN?
Post by: ms da binsi on July 01, 2008, 08:57:24 AM
Now i will give you a situation, My best gay friend was very religious, (my bible study buddy and room mate) and yes he confided me nga he tried not to be gay pero dili jud nija mahimo. He is very generous and support all the churches kay ma datung man lagi sha and i know he is sincere when he gives. For me he is almost a perfect person except his being a gay.

Now i was thinking sa ijang ka buotan, do you think God wont allow him to heaven if he dies? I dont believe so. If it does then i dont want  go to heaven too...
Title: Re: SO WHAT if you're BOTH MEN or BOTH WOMEN?
Post by: ms da binsi on July 01, 2008, 08:58:36 AM



Korek jud ka Aya dear.
Title: Re: SO WHAT if you're BOTH MEN or BOTH WOMEN?
Post by: Lorenzo on July 01, 2008, 09:02:45 AM

That is his own cross that he bears, 'te.

From the way you portray your friend, he seems like a very godly individual. My point here is that everyone sins. I sin, you sin, everyone in this world sins. No one is exempt. Despite the 'act' of homosexuality being a sin in Scripture, I believe that the Lord looks past our sins if we have strong faith. If we LOVE truly and absolutely. And recognize our own sins.

Remember, even the Lord took in Cornelius, a former Roman pagan who had faith in Christ.

Its all about Faith.
Title: Re: SO WHAT if you're BOTH MEN or BOTH WOMEN?
Post by: ms da binsi on July 01, 2008, 09:04:45 AM
Tinuod jud Dodong, he is the kindest and nicest gay person i have ever met, honest, sorry mga gay friends, wala ni dapig-dapig, but he is to me like a saint pero bajut lang jud sha...
Title: Re: SO WHAT if you're BOTH MEN or BOTH WOMEN?
Post by: ms da binsi on July 01, 2008, 09:13:30 AM
daghan man gi punish ang Ginoo sa una, dili lang man sodom ang gomorra, even then ang lust nag katibulaag dili lang kabajutan! naa man na sa history ang mga lustful acts nga ginabuhat sa straight people.

i really dont know nga ug bajud na ang hisgutan lust dayun ang naa sa huna huna2x sa mga tawo. Para nako ang mga bajut sa una nagka halab-halab ug laki kay gina did-an sila. so mo grab jud sila sa oppurtunity when theres a chance, mao nga mamiga jud sila ug maajo. Pero ug ang bible gihimo pa na karong panahona, i think dili na na sha sala para sa Ginoo.

OT: nag jama jama daw ko ingon akong banana! ahahhahah My husband is a very Catholic Polish Native Indian American! wa sha say about bajut! zipped sha oi!
Title: Re: SO WHAT if you're BOTH MEN or BOTH WOMEN?
Post by: Lorenzo on July 01, 2008, 09:16:05 AM
I'll tell you something 'te.

I have a very good friend in college who is Filipino. His name is JC; and has been my good friend since I was a freshman in college. We are so good friends that we call each other 'Kapatid' or 'Pare'.

He is a very devout Catholic, 'te. When we had Catholic Mass in the college chapel, I would always go to mass with Bryan, Don and JC. All 4 of us would go to dinner first at 6PM then to mass at 7:30 PM.

I believe that though JC's acts of homosexuality is a SIN. But is no more different to the sins that I and many individuals of faith are guilty of. But I know through conversations with JC and several other students of faith that we have been touched by the power of the Holy Spirit's grace.

For if we had not been, then why would we be compelled to come to church on a weekly basis? Why would we be singing his praises in mass and confessing our sins? Right?

In my belief, it is important for ALL of us to recognize our faults. and all OUR sins.


This is the UNCONDITIONAL LOVE of our Lord our God. :)
Title: Re: SO WHAT if you're BOTH MEN or BOTH WOMEN?
Post by: bonbonquest on July 01, 2008, 10:04:59 AM
"You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination." [/i]
-Lev. 18:22

"Or do you not know that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, 10nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, shall inherit the kingdom of God."
-1 Cor. 6:9-10

"For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, 27and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error. 28And just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God any longer, God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do those things which are not proper."
-Rom. 1:26-28

Bonbon, God does love UNCONDITIONALLY. However, there are acts referred in scripture that are abominable sins in the eyes of our Lord. Pray tell me you do know the history of Sodom and Gomorahh? And the justice that was dealt on these two sister cities?

My view on this is that we should love and respect our fellow human beings. Either they be Christian or not, straight or not. The ACT of homosexuality is a sin. And like any other sin, should be repented. It is like any sins in the eyes of God. You are Catholic and a Christian. You should already know this.

This is just my view.


Ok, I respect your view.  But I do not necessarily believe it.  I will not argue with you either unless you argue using your OWN opinion system not using words from the bible.
Title: Re: SO WHAT if you're BOTH MEN or BOTH WOMEN?
Post by: bonbonquest on July 01, 2008, 10:06:58 AM

Belle, this is precisely what I was trying to say... The God i believe in loves everyone unconditionally regardless or whatever or whoever we are...
Title: Re: SO WHAT if you're BOTH MEN or BOTH WOMEN?
Post by: bonbonquest on July 01, 2008, 10:20:16 AM
Lorenzo, do you know why the terms AD and BC are now obsolete?

Well, in case you don't, here's the reason:  It's because not everyone in this world is Christian and not everyone believes in the bible.

You can't shut down anyone's personal beliefs just because he/she doesn't conform to yours.  I'm gay and I don't give a damn what the Roman Catholic church (or any other institution) says about it.  I do "things" and I don't give a F**K what any bishop or priest or rabbi or imam or monk or nun or yogi or the Bible or Q'uran or Kabbalah or Bhagavad Gita says about the things my partner and I do.

Don't get me wrong, I do have a religion.  However, I will not talk about it here because I do not intend on making its teachings part of my defense scheme.

And do remember, we only have one God no matter what our religion is.
Title: Re: SO WHAT if you're BOTH MEN or BOTH WOMEN?
Post by: slackware on July 01, 2008, 12:30:26 PM
pasagdi na sila bonbon kay di na sila makasabot kay di man gud silay hingtungdan.
Title: Re: SO WHAT if you're BOTH MEN or BOTH WOMEN?
Post by: bol-anon_ko on July 01, 2008, 01:14:07 PM
na unsa man tong isa ka topic.. na dli naman ma replyan.. ahahha. imbis na insert ta ug joke joke joke arun dli mainit mga tawu.. nisamot man ug bukal nuon....


murag championship sa 5 cock derby tong mga last pages sa thread..

knsa man ay INILOG kinsa pod ay BIYA..


naay mo lugro? ahahahahha..  kalma lang mo oi.. ang mga pus-on ninyu.. aw puso diay...


c
Title: Re: SO WHAT if you're BOTH MEN or BOTH WOMEN?
Post by: ms da binsi on July 01, 2008, 01:17:01 PM
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Jez kadto nga thread murag tabloid pwerteng daghanang guest viewers! hahahhahha
Title: Re: SO WHAT if you're BOTH MEN or BOTH WOMEN?
Post by: mae_flor on July 01, 2008, 01:20:42 PM
ug na sinehan pa dako na kaayo ug kita kay perte man daghana ug nanan.aw hahahahaha
Title: Re: SO WHAT if you're BOTH MEN or BOTH WOMEN?
Post by: ms da binsi on July 01, 2008, 01:21:12 PM
tinuod jud na Mae. hahahha
Title: Re: SO WHAT if you're BOTH MEN or BOTH WOMEN?
Post by: bol-anon_ko on July 01, 2008, 01:21:45 PM
ahaha maayu nta ug gihimo nalang tong buwangan..

ahahah modawat ko ug lugro.. ahahahah..

Belle.. .. unsa gani to tambal magbasa tae.. atay ani da... hapit naman gud.. ho hoyyyy
Title: Re: SO WHAT if you're BOTH MEN or BOTH WOMEN?
Post by: ms da binsi on July 01, 2008, 01:23:37 PM
KAOPECTATE!

hahahhahahahhah

Jez, duha na mo ni Banana naho!

ing ana sad sha!

basta ayaw kaon ug fatty foods ug mo larga ka, mga carbs lang bahala nalang nang calories basta dili mo grabe!

once a day ra man tingali to na, tan awa lang kay over the counter ra man na...
Title: Re: SO WHAT if you're BOTH MEN or BOTH WOMEN?
Post by: grazie7y on July 01, 2008, 01:23:39 PM
pwede naman ma replyan Jez. 
Title: Re: SO WHAT if you're BOTH MEN or BOTH WOMEN?
Post by: mae_flor on July 01, 2008, 01:24:10 PM
biboha jod nang mga ingana nga topic..makalingaw para sa mga viewers pero ambot lang kaha kung unsa nay epekto sa mga hingtungdan
Title: Re: SO WHAT if you're BOTH MEN or BOTH WOMEN?
Post by: ms da binsi on July 01, 2008, 01:25:02 PM
di nalang ko mag tell ug unsay feeling kay ari na sad unja mag tiwas ug buwang!

naahhh!
Title: Re: SO WHAT if you're BOTH MEN or BOTH WOMEN?
Post by: mae_flor on July 01, 2008, 01:26:38 PM
hahahaha maajo pay mangatawa nalang ta oy kay para mahuwasan..unsa ba pud ning bisag igo ra ta mubasa nga maapektahan man pud ta ug gamay labi na ug naa tay gilabanan
Title: Re: SO WHAT if you're BOTH MEN or BOTH WOMEN?
Post by: ms da binsi on July 01, 2008, 01:27:42 PM
tinuod!

Title: Re: SO WHAT if you're BOTH MEN or BOTH WOMEN?
Post by: grazie7y on July 01, 2008, 01:28:54 PM
korek ka dyan, Mae.  Bahala lagi mag labok sila basta ang storyahan ang topic lang dili na mag gamit ug profanity kay ma tingkag atong dunggan ana!
Title: Re: SO WHAT if you're BOTH MEN or BOTH WOMEN?
Post by: asianfairy on July 01, 2008, 01:30:09 PM



God loves unconditionally[/b]?  What an outlook!

What do you think?
Title: Re: SO WHAT if you're BOTH MEN or BOTH WOMEN?
Post by: mae_flor on July 01, 2008, 01:31:17 PM
exactly...Let There Be Peace On Earth
Title: Re: SO WHAT if you're BOTH MEN or BOTH WOMEN?
Post by: bol-anon_ko on July 01, 2008, 01:31:38 PM
alryt dri tiwason ang ROUND 2 sa buwang..

sponsored by TUBOl Village

dli man gud unta mainit kun ang isig ka isa kamao lang mo respeto pod sa opinion sa uban.. what i would suggest is before they hit the POST button they better preview there statements first and ponder over it a million times...

everybody is entitled to his or her opinion but be responsible enough not to step into someone's foot.
Title: Re: SO WHAT if you're BOTH MEN or BOTH WOMEN?
Post by: dine_22 on July 01, 2008, 01:32:00 PM
te kinsa hingtungdan d i?  ;D hehehehe sambat lang ko wla ko ka gets.toinks...sensya na..hehehehe

 
Title: Re: SO WHAT if you're BOTH MEN or BOTH WOMEN?
Post by: asianfairy on July 01, 2008, 01:34:12 PM
Katawa ko nimo ani B.

Sakto gyod ka uy....

Naay daghang di gay pero mga maldito..mangraped.. etc..


Title: Re: SO WHAT if you're BOTH MEN or BOTH WOMEN?
Post by: grazie7y on July 01, 2008, 01:34:15 PM

Well said, Jez.
Title: Re: SO WHAT if you're BOTH MEN or BOTH WOMEN?
Post by: asianfairy on July 01, 2008, 01:42:52 PM
yeah..if posible refrain from swearing and attacking the writer. Lets stick to the topic.

hala mohawa sako kay manglakaw mi.. basin mabiyaan ko anis panon kay nalingaw dires TB.

To my uyab in TB. I love you and miss you!!

Cheers mga miga ug migo.!!


Title: Re: SO WHAT if you're BOTH MEN or BOTH WOMEN?
Post by: Glen on July 01, 2008, 01:47:00 PM
Have lots of fun, and have a safe trip Ms A.
Title: Re: SO WHAT if you're BOTH MEN or BOTH WOMEN?
Post by: bonbonquest on July 01, 2008, 03:51:05 PM

thank you for this... my mistake, I admit... but when people start stepping on my feet and making a mockery of the things i stand for... my ego just won't budge...
Title: Re: SO WHAT if you're BOTH MEN or BOTH WOMEN?
Post by: orChids on July 01, 2008, 03:57:01 PM
Cool lang Bon,basta welcome ka sa TB and welcome as one of my new friend.
Mag-enjoy ta sa atong payag online. :D
Title: Re: SO WHAT if you're BOTH MEN or BOTH WOMEN?
Post by: bonbonquest on July 01, 2008, 04:07:18 PM

thanks, Orchids... senxa na lang sa mga mabut-han sa kanyon... I've shaken biggows so i could certainly take down that low-life... hehehe!
Title: Re: SO WHAT if you're BOTH MEN or BOTH WOMEN?
Post by: wowboholphilippines on July 01, 2008, 04:50:33 PM
On May 28, 2008 Boholano Bishop Leonardo Medroso said that marriage is only for man and woman. I hope everyone there in Bohol had read his pastoral message.
Title: Re: SO WHAT if you're BOTH MEN or BOTH WOMEN?
Post by: bonbonquest on July 01, 2008, 06:14:48 PM

Amazing!  Well, whoever says such, I wouldn't care.  Let the pope say it.  I would listen but that doesn't mean I would believe him.
;D

Good luck with life, WBP!
Title: Re: SO WHAT if you're BOTH MEN or BOTH WOMEN?
Post by: lumine on July 01, 2008, 06:46:02 PM
good,bon. you're getting cooler now.

your ted is very handsome. ;D
Title: Re: SO WHAT if you're BOTH MEN or BOTH WOMEN?
Post by: Bambi on July 01, 2008, 06:59:22 PM

Wowboholphilippines!

Katholiko baya pod ko sukad sa ahong pagbunyag and I never forget to praise our Almighty God but I feel sorry that His earth personnel are most considered as the sinners. Daghan baya pod nga cases nga mga Pare nag  sex abused ug mga bata.  Dili napod maihap ang mga maid ug kusinera nga gipabuntisan ug mga Pare. I went out disco dancing with Priest in my young days.....they are human but I kept myself free from those temptations.  I had 2 gfs  who had 2 Priest lovers.  Maayo pa siguro sa atong tinouhan nga Katoliko nga ila na lang itugot nga magminyo usab ang mga Pari kay sa dina gjod madala ug "lo-lo".  We are just all human baja with strong sexual desires dili man pwede nga i-singgot ang sperm cells.
Here in Europe....gays, lesbians are free to enter into martrimonial stage of life but of course not in Church kay basin ug modog-dog ug mokilat "linti-an unya" whahahahaha ;D Forgive me.
Title: Re: SO WHAT if you're BOTH MEN or BOTH WOMEN?
Post by: simplylee on July 01, 2008, 07:42:49 PM
 no one can make decisions for us, we can live our lives whatever we want, yet remember the principle of volitional responsibility, we are the product of our own decisions.
i have no religion but i believe in GOD. if you may pls read 2Corinthians 5:10 and Romans 14:12 :)
Title: Re: SO WHAT if you're BOTH MEN or BOTH WOMEN?
Post by: bonbonquest on July 01, 2008, 09:17:11 PM

thank you... It's not that hard for me to be cool...
yakang-yaka... but naa lang jud ko'y mga "push button" nga inevitable nga makapasapot nako kung mapindotan... hehehe!

and thanks, yes... he really is... and he's 5 years older than me... he's 23... hehehe!
Title: Re: SO WHAT if you're BOTH MEN or BOTH WOMEN?
Post by: bonbonquest on July 01, 2008, 09:19:50 PM

i appreciate this... thanks, Lee...

and i'll look those verses up... thanks for sharing...
Title: Re: SO WHAT if you're BOTH MEN or BOTH WOMEN?
Post by: simplylee on July 01, 2008, 09:20:50 PM
yw :)
Title: Re: SO WHAT if you're BOTH MEN or BOTH WOMEN?
Post by: ms da binsi on July 01, 2008, 09:22:11 PM




hahahha!

i love this comment  Bayat, and I hope all the priest in the world can read this too...
Title: Re: SO WHAT if you're BOTH MEN or BOTH WOMEN?
Post by: orChids on July 01, 2008, 09:32:19 PM

Huhhhhhh,naka-ihi ko oy.Syalan man ni. ;D
Title: Re: SO WHAT if you're BOTH MEN or BOTH WOMEN?
Post by: bonbonquest on July 02, 2008, 12:20:03 AM

now this is what you call... "tinge of reality"... heheheh!
Title: Re: SO WHAT if you're BOTH MEN or BOTH WOMEN?
Post by: Bambi on July 02, 2008, 05:38:18 AM

Saludo ug dako ahong respeto sa imong pagkamatinud-anon nga mibarog sa imong pagkatawo nga maoy gihatag sa atong Ginoo. I am sure that there are many gays who are "real coward" not outing themselves as what they are.  And that I will consider cheating and that could be a sin.

By the way, who is who in your  avatar? Both looks cute ug mga gwapos.
Title: Re: SO WHAT if you're BOTH MEN or BOTH WOMEN?
Post by: ms da binsi on July 02, 2008, 06:22:03 AM


...mibarog sa imong pagkatawo nga maoy gihatag sa atong Ginoo.


That is really the best phrase i have ever read nga sa uban gihimong sala. Akong dili kasabtan sa ubang mga Ginoo nga gi create man kaha nila ang human being and other creature, unja ug naay mulfunctions ang ubang part sa brain, Ijang isalikway? murag di jud ko mo tuo anang ginooha na!

Yeah being not true to one's self is the number one lie and i considered it cheating before cheating to somone! Kay lagi sa atong kultura nga gina salikway ang mga bajut, i can forgive those who had cheated to themselves, kay i know how hard it is to hide one's own identity.

Apir Bayat!
Title: Re: SO WHAT if you're BOTH MEN or BOTH WOMEN?
Post by: Lorenzo on July 02, 2008, 11:03:05 AM
we only have one God[/b] no matter what our religion is.

Bonbon, I understand your point of view on this matter, but try to retort to other people's opinions without having to use profane words, please. Notice that I did not use such words to you or anyone in this thread. Let us discuss like civil human beings. Intellectuals with mutual respects on each other's persona.

My views, Bon, are affixed and I will not change my views to fit into anyone's box or any idealogue. Like yourself, lol.

I am a religious man, and I will even dare to say that my morals and ethos are based on my religion and my own faith. Through which is based on religious Christian, specifically of Roman Catholic, scripture. Now , I would like to tell you that though religion has a large influence in my views on social as well as personal topics, I make my own interpretation and my own judgment accordingly.

Its called social conservatism, Bon. I hold quite traditionalist views on social aspects; and I can guarantee you that I am not the only one in here with such views, in the United States, in the Philippines and in the world.

Concerning your bringing up of the use of BC/AD, on the contrary, secular society uses the term BCE/CE (before common era/ common era). But many still use the BC/AD setting. It depends on the individual.

And lastly, you bring about an interesting point at how you 'dont care' about the view of others, which I am lightly paraphrasing from your retort. However, even if you say that, it still will not mitigate the fact that over 1.2 billion Catholics and an additional 500 million protestant christians, an additional 1.1 billion muslims still hold rather conservative feelings on this topic.

I will end this remark with a personal absolution. It is in my personal opinion, that the act of homosexuality is a SIN. It is a sin as noted in scripture. Old testament and New testament. And it will vary on different individual's view on salvation and acceptance of this act. We do not know if whether the Lord accepts this or not, we can only hope that the Lord is accepting of it and looks past this sin. But I can tell you this, that it is told clearly in Genesis, in Leviticus and in Col that this said act IS a sin.

Many will think that such thinking is derelict, but to think and ignore its message, which comes from The Holy Bible itself in not only the Catholic version but through many protestant versions, is ignoring and choosing to pick and choose what part of the bible one can use.

Bon, the act of homosexuality is a SIN.

And looking at it in a biological stand point, as a scientist, is violation of natural law. The point of sentient beings is to reproduce and replicate their genetic codes. XY genome will mix with XX genome. You cannot mix XX with XX or XY with XY. And in the words of Ate Belle, she is right. Homosexuality IS manifested because of neurological degeneracy. There is enzymatic abnormalities.

So, in actuality, the 'abomination' that is said in Holy Scripture bears TRUE forebearance IN that even science proves the 'abnormality' of Homosexuality. In the view of the scientific--organismal point of view.

Cheers,
Bran Lorenzo

Title: Re: SO WHAT if you're BOTH MEN or BOTH WOMEN?
Post by: Lorenzo on July 02, 2008, 11:06:41 AM

The message that His Eminence, Bishop Leonardo Medroso ushers truth in what the bishops and the Holy Orders reiterate.

Even in the United States, there is varying verbatum on the aspect of marriage.

Many Americans view that there should be equal rights for homosexuals on a political point of view. Equal benefits for them; given civil unions.

But the topic of 'marriage' has remained a very sensitive topic. It still relegates to the concept of man and woman. Not man-man or woman-woman.

Title: Re: SO WHAT if you're BOTH MEN or BOTH WOMEN?
Post by: Lorenzo on July 02, 2008, 11:17:00 AM
There are many neuroscientists and neurobiologists that have studied homosexuality. Many view it as a species-based inhibitory effect.

Meaning, it is a genetic manifest that was ingrained in certain invididuals in certain populations as a way to mitigate population growth.

In a natural point of view, organisms are supposed to have checks and balances. It is part of the Malthusian concept that the given resources in the planet are linearly affixed, and human population growth is alinear. Growth is also alinear. Meaning that there will definitely be a time when humans will outgrow the given resources.

We see this in nature that whenever there is a limited resources for a given animal population, as a result, females will produce more destructive enzymes during their gestation period; increases in fetal deaths, instances of animalic cannabilism as well as predation increases.

Humans by right violate natural law because we have already developed science which have combated diseases, plagues, and viruses that evolved as a way to destroy populations and limit human populatory growth and presence. Humans have developed technology that can solve physiological diseases in the cardic, neural, endocrinal systems etc. There is no 'natural' predator for humans as humans are the apex predatory species. There is no limiting reactant to keep population growth in check.


HOWEVER, there have been articles written by neuroscientists and neurobiologists that homosexuality is degeneric condition that was designed on a species' level to inhibit female-male mating. And therefore would decrease human population. Since the act leads to self-induced populatory destruction.

In an organismal-populatory view, it is self-destructive. And if left unchecked will lead to species-wide deterioration.

One can say that what scripture teaches holds rather STRONG links to scientific proofs.

One can, even dare to say that there is parallel to scriptural teachings and scientific fact.


Of Course,
Bran Lorenzo
Title: Re: SO WHAT if you're BOTH MEN or BOTH WOMEN?
Post by: bonbonquest on July 02, 2008, 01:54:33 PM

hahahaha!  i like the idea that "not coming out" instead, is the sin rather than coming out!... awesome!... i'm gonna advocate that... hahaha!..

anyway, the one on the left is me and the one on the right is may baby Teddy bear nga niwang... hehehe!
Title: Re: SO WHAT if you're BOTH MEN or BOTH WOMEN?
Post by: bonbonquest on July 02, 2008, 02:36:43 PM


So that's what you think.

I've said it before and I will say it again: I don't care what you say, Lorenzo.  I have a mind of my own and so do you.  I have my own line of thinking that has been influenced by generations of great thinkers and I'm not about to bow down to any other ideologies obviously lesser than that.

I think as much as I read.  When I read the works Freud, Piaget, Kohlberg, Erikson, the holy Bible, the Kabbalah, Q'uran, Bhagavad Gita, or anything else, I use my head.  My brain isn't a sponge, you know.  I do know how to think--very well, in fact.  I've read about all those things you mentioned in your rant and I've pondered on them.  I'm not the kind of person who only recognizes a single-perspective.  I do consider the other side but your arguments are just not as strong as mine is founded, so I trashed them.

Yes, I do read the Christian bible.  It's among the most insightful books I've ever come across but I don't necessarily believe everything.  If you do, then that's your choice, Lorenzo.  Don't bombard me with them because I really don't care.  Nothing you say will influence me in any substantial manner.  I don't even know who you are.  If I did, it wouldn't matter either way because, much like you with your advocacy, I keep a firm stand with mine and I don't budge for absolutely anyone below my "standards of intelligence".

Your scientific statement on this issue is not useful.  First and foremost because I already know about that.  Second is because we (my partner and I) have abandoned thoughts of reproduction among ourselves.  We are men, alright? We ARE men.  We are aware that it's never going to happen between us.

And telling me that I'm abnormal does not really provoke me intensely.  I know that my genes were designed this way by the biological course of nature.  And who do you Christians say is responsible for this?  God, right?  And does your perspective of God consider to be a sin what makes two people (even of the same sex) happy?  Especially if this happiness is sealed with genuine love?

You say that homosexuality is a sin and your basis of this is the holy bible.  Well, let your basis be your basis.  My basis is mine as well.

I'm not close-minded, though.  I am as dynamic as all human beings normally are.  But given that you are deliberately calling me an "abomination," I would say that you are as "banal" and "feeble" as your shallow-founded arguments.

Keep them coming, Lorenzo.  I would never care.  You are wasting your time trying to tell me things that I am completely aware about.  The fact is that I don't really care... at all.

Let us end this argument, Lorenzo.  Please stop trying to convince me that homosexuality is a sin and that it is an abominable thing.  Nothing you say or do will convince me of this because in my eyes, you are nobody.  I do not recognize you in any significant way.  I do not regard you any more than how I regard every candle vendor at St. Joseph's Cathedral (whom I respect as human beings, by the way), any mendicant at the port of Tagbilaran City or any cashier at BQ or ICM.  To me, you are no one so don't try imposing on me.

Thank you.  Have a nice life.


Ludwig
Title: Re: SO WHAT if you're BOTH MEN or BOTH WOMEN?
Post by: udtohan on July 02, 2008, 06:13:12 PM
hala, taas naman diay ni nga thread.

anyway, be cool gentlemen.

in bohol, two women were wed in panglao, bohol. sila pa to kinaunhan. wala pay two men.. (hopefully naa na sila si __).
Title: Re: SO WHAT if you're BOTH MEN or BOTH WOMEN?
Post by: Bambi on July 02, 2008, 07:08:35 PM

dis-a ka nanggikat el mundo? hala sugod nag panintal aw pamintal diha.

I love to have b***t as a best friend. I have one sa Bohol.  Had tried with men basta in the long run gusto gjod ning mga lalaki mo-i*** nimo bisan unsa pa mo ka closed friends. Long live the Bayots! :-*

Bayat.......apil ug aviva diha!
Title: Re: SO WHAT if you're BOTH MEN or BOTH WOMEN?
Post by: orChids on July 02, 2008, 09:00:46 PM
Aw basta may mailagay,talagang may mapaglagyan.No? ;D
Title: Re: SO WHAT if you're BOTH MEN or BOTH WOMEN?
Post by: bonbonquest on July 02, 2008, 09:04:33 PM

Oh... I am cool, Leo.  As in sublimating... exhaling ice vapor...
Yes, I am cool... nyeheheheh!
;D

...Loving the imaginary action here... hahahah!
Title: Re: SO WHAT if you're BOTH MEN or BOTH WOMEN?
Post by: junayag on July 02, 2008, 09:50:43 PM


Hello All,

There were a lot of threads / exposures on this topic in the past. And all I could say are the following:

1.  Being human, be it heterosexuals or homosexuals, we are sinners... and since God is forgiving.. and when the sinners repent... there is heaven.

2.  reflecting the bible....I was an ex-seminarian and I've encountered phrases like this " the value of sin changes ... as time changes..."

3.  in this dynamic world especially in corporate,  we are not talking anymore about gender..., sexual preferences, we are talking about performance.... quality performance per se.

4.  look on our surroundings... the achievers do not belong only to the straights...either men or women or anybody would be great if they are determined to be so.

More to come, more to share....

Title: Re: SO WHAT if you're BOTH MEN or BOTH WOMEN?
Post by: ms da binsi on July 02, 2008, 10:47:44 PM





Bayat diha baja nag gikan ang atong usernames, as in b***t nga Baje!

wahahhahahahha

now people know nganong we both called ourselves Bayat!

Peeps, mas Bajut pa ming duha ni Bambi pero baje lang mi!

Apir Bayat!


Viva Las Gwapas!
Title: Re: SO WHAT if you're BOTH MEN or BOTH WOMEN?
Post by: slackware on July 02, 2008, 10:53:34 PM
ok kaayo na mga bisexuals kay strike anywhere! can fit in to any hole! ahahahahahhahaha!
Title: Re: SO WHAT if you're BOTH MEN or BOTH WOMEN?
Post by: Lorenzo on July 03, 2008, 03:17:46 AM

Don't take it personally, Bon. It seems to me that you tend to take things too personally. It is just my own point of view.

Lets not let differences in opinions inhibit dialogue.

It is natural to disagree on things; as no one can change a person's views. Same as you will not change mine and vice versa. :)

We may have differences, but it shouldn't be a reason for us to linger in malcontent for each other. Right?

Welcome to Tubag Bohol! Where minds come and talk and learn from each other.


Colloquially,
Bran Lorenzo


PS. Unlike you, Bon, I don't regard you as a cashier at a mall, or a candle seller, or a port worker. I view you as an equal and a human being. 

All Glory and Praise to the Lord.

Even if you don't respect me Bon, and even if you harbor ill feelings, I will not reiterate the same feelings. I wish you a good life, and a sound mind. :)

Peace be with you.
Title: Re: SO WHAT if you're BOTH MEN or BOTH WOMEN?
Post by: Lorenzo on July 03, 2008, 03:24:15 AM
Lets get back to topic. Please.
Title: Re: SO WHAT if you're BOTH MEN or BOTH WOMEN?
Post by: Bambi on July 03, 2008, 06:25:57 AM

Hello Pare! Kumusta?

I have always respected your point of view since from the start knowing you here in TB.  I've been reading the hot discussions in this interesting thread but some biblical citations makes me confused.

I have a question to you since you are a bible expert.  I had read in one of your comments that phrase: "The act of homosexuality is a SIN! Would you be kind enough to elaborate and explain clearly WHY IT IS CONSIDERED AS A SIN in which connection?  I am interested to know this. Thanks.

As I understand: GOD created us equal and he ordered us... "Go to the World and multiply" (As what the Pinoys considered obedient enough).  As to my poor understanding: Since the homosexuals have no possibility to multipy..... are they sinners? Due to this reasons that they could never follow what God said? If our Almighty God loves us all whom he molded.... Why and into what basics he will neglect some (Bayots) of his own creatures?  Sorry dear God!...Is this not an art of cheating from our Lord?  ???

In my own opinion....mas sala pang dako ang siging panganak ug daghan unya way ika-pakaon kay sa mga boutan nga  b***t (dili pod tanan ..like we heteros)  nga mang-adopt ug mga gisalikway nga pobreng bata gikan sa mga ginikanan nga masunoron sa sugo sa Diyos.

Pare....what I think there are other mortal sins which need more our attention rather than telling someone who couragely outing himself  at the age of 18 who more or less only need our respect as a person.  And I am happy to have him here....let TB Family be more colorful!

We welcome all from different categories as soon as they are called human, right?

Peace all be with you! 
Title: Re: SO WHAT if you're BOTH MEN or BOTH WOMEN?
Post by: Brownman on July 03, 2008, 06:45:23 AM
We have freedom of choice, i think everyone deserves to be happy regardless of what
gender they are.
Title: Re: SO WHAT if you're BOTH MEN or BOTH WOMEN?
Post by: Lorenzo on July 03, 2008, 07:33:22 AM

Pare Bambi,

As much as I read the Bible, I would not say that I am an expert of the Holy Bible. Many of the passages within it still puzzle me as well as titillates the mind. I am a lover of inter-dialogue between theologians in their personal interpretation of biblical passages. Either it be in the Evangelical viewpoint, the Catholic viewpoint or the Orthodox viewpoint. I, like many others, am just a simple beginner in biblical study. One which has been very rewarding, I will admit.

My post regarding homosexuality in biblical passage was not meant to cause tension, but to infer the religious viewpoint on the matter. It is one thing that many of us look into because one cannot deny that many of us look towards scripture for moral understanding, teachings and answers. And I was providing the religious discourse. Since it was Bonbon, himself, who asked in his post in this thread.

Case in point,

God loves unconditionally[/b]?  What an outlook!

What do you think?

And as you see, Bonbon was the one who asked the question. 'What do we think'. Wowboholphilippines provided a response, and bonbon responded quite negatively with unecessary profane remarks. It was an honest and simple retort.

I responded because it is within my own heart that compelled me to answer. Bonbon asked a sincere question and looking for other view points. I provided the specific biblical passage that specifically relegates the said topic.

I provided my view point, and provided a primary source to support the view point. It was responded by Bonbon's rather 'hostile' remarks that were unnecessary. And the things that I pointed out in previous posts regarding the neurological condition is fact.

However, instead of just accepting and acquiescing the opinion of others, which he asked for in the first place. He responded quite nefariously after reading something that does not conform to his ideology. Whatsoever it may be.

To me, that is very bad debate tactic and very mundane dialogue etiquette. There is no need to use profane words to convey a point. One can still argue and debate civilly. At least that way it motivates and instills a camaraderie in debate. Instead we see the antithesis.

Pareng Bambi, it is written in scripture that the act of homosexuality is a sin. In the catholic version of the bible, the presbyterian, the king james version, the new american version, the methodist version, etc.

The Bible consistently tells us that homosexual activity is a sin (Genesis 19:1-13; Leviticus 18:22; Romans 1:26-27; 1 Corinthians 6:9). However, the Bible does not describe homosexuality as a “greater” sin than any other. All sin is offensive to God. Homosexuality is just one of the many things listed in 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 that will keep a person from the kingdom of God. According to the Bible, God’s forgiveness is just as available to a homosexual as it is to an adulterer, idol worshipper, murderer, thief, etc. God also promises the strength for victory over sin, including homosexuality, to all those who will believe in Jesus Christ for their salvation (1 Corinthians 6:11; 2 Corinthians 5:17).

I invite you Pare to read the verses that I mentioned, and meditate on its teachings.

Note that I am merely answering the religious question that Bonbon asked. He asked and it was given.


It was an honest question, which he asked for. And was already, by the nature of the question, religiously based.


Title: Re: SO WHAT if you're BOTH MEN or BOTH WOMEN?
Post by: Lorenzo on July 03, 2008, 07:40:35 AM
Pareng Bambi,

By no means am I against individuals who are gay, lesbian, bisexual, transgender. Absolutely Not! I have some friends who are gay. We are all equally human, equally loved by God. All of us are sinners. We all sin, either it be in malcontent, anger, jealousy, pride, swearing, homosexual acts, stealing, conniving, blasphemy, etc.

There is a saying that goes “Hate the sin, but love the sinner,” and that applies to homosexuals as well.   

Do I believe that there is salvation for homosexuals? Of course! Do I believe that the Lord our God looks at homosexuals any less? Of course not! Our God is a loving God. He forgives even the multitudes of sins.

That does not mitigate the fact that it is written in scripture that the act of homosexuality is a sin.
Title: Re: SO WHAT if you're BOTH MEN or BOTH WOMEN?
Post by: kiamoy on July 03, 2008, 08:11:46 AM

mupatak jud sa takilya te no basta ang topic interesting kaayu!!
Title: Re: SO WHAT if you're BOTH MEN or BOTH WOMEN?
Post by: udtohan on July 03, 2008, 09:47:28 AM
maskin gamay pa na nga sin, sin lang gihapon. to the eyes of God who is Justice, Righteous, sin is a sin.
Title: Re: SO WHAT if you're BOTH MEN or BOTH WOMEN?
Post by: udtohan on July 03, 2008, 09:51:30 AM
this world is full of negativity...

Be simple. Allow no man to judge you, not even yourself, for you cannot judge God.

Do not allow the unfounded belief in demons to block your communion with God.

God does not create the adversities in life. By your own choice they exist to aid in your perfection.

God allows each person the opportunity for perfection, whether you need one life or a hundred lives to reach your level of perfection.

believes that God is all loving. To be consistent with this love, we must have a means to correct our errors. For the path to God is harsh and varied, and we will stumble along the way. An all loving God will account for such weakness and assist in making us whole. God is Justice and Righteous so God will correct us in our mistakes.

Title: Re: SO WHAT if you're BOTH MEN or BOTH WOMEN?
Post by: Lorenzo on July 03, 2008, 10:10:47 AM

I am overtaken by tears in reading this post, Leo. So very true, my dear friend. So very true.


Amen, Amen, I say Amen unto you.

All Glory and Praise to the Throne of the Most High! Who is Love. Whose graces and mercies are infinite.

Amen!
Title: Re: SO WHAT if you're BOTH MEN or BOTH WOMEN?
Post by: bonbonquest on July 03, 2008, 01:23:23 PM

Behold, a sensible response.  Thanks, Bambi!  This relaxed my head.

Anyway, it's people like Lorenzo and WBP who initiate chaos in this world between liberal and traditional choices.  They just couldn't swallow reality and it saddens me.  They feel compelled to preach to the world whatever fuss their heads contain--unrelenting at that, in fact.  To people like myself, it would be a matter to be ignored but for some, it's the very thing that creates repression and pretension.  That's not good!  No aspect of pretension is positive in any sense.

Thanks mucho, again, Bambi.
Title: Re: SO WHAT if you're BOTH MEN or BOTH WOMEN?
Post by: mae_flor on July 03, 2008, 01:36:45 PM
this is quite absolute and direct, i just love this post and i do hope that this may help us improve our perceptions..."If you have built your life on Jesus Christ and His teaching, you will stand when the storms of life hit. If you are not merely a hearer but a doer of  His Word, you will endure. The true Christian is the one who has built his or her life on the right foundation and will stand the test of life".
Title: Re: SO WHAT if you're BOTH MEN or BOTH WOMEN?
Post by: grazie7y on July 03, 2008, 02:24:33 PM

I totally agree with you, Dong!  Hate the sinner but not the sinner.  And by the way, we all are sinners.  I may not gay but it doesn't mean I am less of a sinner than a gay person.  But it's just reality.  We can't possibly sugarcoat that.  It is a sin as much as it is a sin to steal or to covet somebody else's wife or husband, to lie, to sexually molest kids, etc. 


Absolutely right.  Just because other sin is heavier doesn't make other sinful acts nota sin.  But I'd say, it's between you and God.  You are not answerable to us as much as we are not answerable to you.  And since we are having a discussion here, we are all entitled to our own opinion without badmouthing others who happen to have different take on the issue at hand.  We got to respect that without losing composure.   

When Maring ms da binsi visited me here, I was introduced by her two good friends who were gays.  They both were so so smart and intellectual. I really respect them. We got into a discussion with one of the two gays.  We didn't even ask her what and how she felt about this whole gay relationship thingie but she was so forthright in declaring that she believed that the sexual act is a sin.

I have two very best friends who are gays: a man wishing to be a woman and a woman wishing to be a man.  They are happy people and I never had dull moments with them.  I love them very much! We got into discussion about this issue and they share their views.  They realized that they are not "normal" in the common perception.  But they have to live with that and they accept themselves as much as we accept them.

I just have to share this one story.  One of our friends got pregnant and her boyfriend didn't want to own up his responsibility.  My friend did the unthinkable!  She had her baby aborted!  When my male gay friend learned about it, he was so sad.  He talked to me and other lady friend.  She said that should this happen to anyone of us, to tell him and he would marry us.  We were all ready to laugh out loud because he is gay as gay can be but we realized he was darn serious!  Oh, I just loved that man!

Title: Re: SO WHAT if you're BOTH MEN or BOTH WOMEN?
Post by: ms da binsi on July 03, 2008, 07:50:13 PM
See? ma bajut ug ma dili preha ra jud.

Sus nindto naman sad ibalik diha oi!

unsa kaha tong duha Tiya magpakasal ba o dili, pero ug dili apil ang Naturalization dili man jud sila pakasal.

anyhow, ug magpakasal sila magkita na sad ta, for sure, kay mo anha man ko!

weeehey!
Title: Re: SO WHAT if you're BOTH MEN or BOTH WOMEN?
Post by: grazie7y on July 03, 2008, 10:03:20 PM
Ali na ba adto ta ilang Gera and Ann!  Ganahan jud bya ko nila.  It took a while for me to get comfortable with Ann but once she started talking and opening up, I realized she was as nice as Gera!  Hoy pastilan mabasahan ni nila dire ha basin masuko gi istaring sila!

Speaking of gay, what do you think of Newsom?  Ga declare na jud diay sya na gay sya ba?  He is so wapo and young.  Only 41 and people are speculating that he is running for gov.
Title: Re: SO WHAT if you're BOTH MEN or BOTH WOMEN?
Post by: ms da binsi on July 03, 2008, 10:08:59 PM
Sa una ra na sha nag rampa sa Castro Tiya, pwerte man jud na shang bajuta! he was aleady known as bajut before he ran and won the mayoralty election sa San Francisco.

sus hurot2x na ang mga gwapo kay naggawas naman sila sa ilang lungga!

maajo nalang naa na tay mga laki kay ang mga bag-ong tubo nga mga dalagita karon, nihit na ang laki! hahaha

sori mga girls...
Title: Re: SO WHAT if you're BOTH MEN or BOTH WOMEN?
Post by: grazie7y on July 03, 2008, 10:12:59 PM
Seryos, crush baja na nako sya kay smart kaayo. kumbaga, intellectually stimulating! :D  Di ba, shortly after na sya mayor, nagbulag sya sa ijang wife na taga media then last year, na sakspan sya na iyang gi kabs ang wife sa iyang long time supporter.  And then much later, declare na sya na bajut.  Whew!  Rampa jud baja sya sa Gay Parade last or two weeks ago! 
Title: Re: SO WHAT if you're BOTH MEN or BOTH WOMEN?
Post by: ms da binsi on July 03, 2008, 10:14:00 PM
pastilan jud!
Title: Re: SO WHAT if you're BOTH MEN or BOTH WOMEN?
Post by: kiamoy on July 03, 2008, 11:15:53 PM
nobody can make you feel inferior without your consent.


relax. steady lang taco ;)
Title: Re: SO WHAT if you're BOTH MEN or BOTH WOMEN?
Post by: grazie7y on July 04, 2008, 12:17:54 AM
korek ka dyan, bem!  be comfortable with what you are. :)
Title: Re: SO WHAT if you're BOTH MEN or BOTH WOMEN?
Post by: bonbonquest on July 04, 2008, 01:30:57 AM
I love this thread...

I have no regrets, whatsoever, starting it...

weeeeee!... go on... go on...

mura'g McDonald's bah... "I'm lovin' it!"... heheheh!
Title: Re: SO WHAT if you're BOTH MEN or BOTH WOMEN?
Post by: grazie7y on July 04, 2008, 03:17:22 AM
This is actually a nice thread, Ludwig.  This has elicited reactions from both sides of the coins and  it's always nice to know varying points of view.  Let's just not take things personally because that could discourage other people to express their own ideas and opinions lest they would get the brunt of tantrums.  I know there are some people who are still not comfortable to discuss this issue kay mahadlok maka offend sa mga tawo but there's really nothing wrong in just having friendly discussion.

So thank you for starting this thread, a daring and emotionally provocative topic, if I may dare to say so.   :)
Title: Re: SO WHAT if you're BOTH MEN or BOTH WOMEN?
Post by: Bambi on July 04, 2008, 06:36:07 AM
There is a saying that goes “Hate the sin, but love the sinner,” and that applies to homosexuals as well.   Our God is a loving God. He forgives even the multitudes of sins.
Pare,
I know that you are not only intelligent one but you are also a distinguished young man with dignity. That phrase above.written might be dedicated to  me, bonbon and the rest in TB members  who are sinners (except to those who are sacred and holy)...na-a ba diha? :-\

Okey Pare thank you very much for the comprehensive explanation towards my inquiries....so that means- the whole discussion between  the parties concerned were just an outcome of misinterpretation and/or over reactions. I hope this will be cleared then.
We  must always  put in mind that we are not GOD to denunciate others life.  bonbonquest is happy of his life what our GOD had given..so, let us be happy with him.  Certainly, there are other TB members who are concealed of his natural identity. Perphaps, this thread is the start of personal exposure among those who are hiding themselves.

FYI...I'm not reading the bible. Do you think if I will start to scan the pages it will make me a good Christian? I am afraid that it will make me confused at all... and isn't that it is oftentimes interpreted?  How would I know the exact  truth and meaning from it origin  of that holy book? There are citations that feared me to stop existing....forbidden things.  My younger sister is super intelligent, attending  that successive bible study, she is a Chapel President, everyday attending Holy mass pero ug mangasaba na gani maoy gamiton ang mga panghadlok nga nasulat sa bibliya".  ???  And besides...."hugaw kuno ang dugo sa baboy...dili ipakaon.  Pastilan Pare paborito naho ang dugo-dugo ug specialista kung moluto ana....hangtod ang mga Germans kusog mokaon bisan wa kaila. Sus....I committed mortal sin kalingaw. :-\
Title: Re: SO WHAT if you're BOTH MEN or BOTH WOMEN?
Post by: Lorenzo on July 04, 2008, 10:19:42 AM

haha, Pareng Bambi,

Thank you for pointing out a very very important concept. The need to 'relax' and be 'cool' and 'calm' when discussing. Perhaps you did not mean to do it, but you indirectly reminded me of this. I know that I can get a bit serious in debate, especially on a topic that I find very mentally and intellectually stimulating. Specially this thread. :)

Pare, I too fit in the category of sinners. So you and I are partners in crime, so to say, LoL! There is no way that I am innocent of sin. No one is exempt jud 'te, and there is no one in this world who is completely and totally 'free' of sin and purely holy beside GOD.

You are right jud.

Sinning is part of being human, ing ana man jud na, pero it is our ability to rise above our sins and take responsibility of our sins that makes us good, jud, in regards to religious life.

And Pare you are right, we are all made because of God. We are because of him, and he gives all of us our own crosses to bear. Diba?

So thank you pare, for pointing things out to me indirectly. And of course, I am more than happy to discuss with you.

PS. I too love baboy, so im as guilty as you are on eating the 'pig' hahahaha. Plus, who can deny the yumminess of lechon? and adobong humba? LOL!



Yours,
Title: Re: SO WHAT if you're BOTH MEN or BOTH WOMEN?
Post by: grazie7y on July 04, 2008, 10:40:26 AM
Dong, abodong humba?  :o That is sinfully good! ;D
Title: Re: SO WHAT if you're BOTH MEN or BOTH WOMEN?
Post by: Lorenzo on July 04, 2008, 10:43:35 AM
LOL!!

Sinfully good jud, 'te!

Anaaa! Na gutom na jud ko diri da!


'te!!!
Title: Re: SO WHAT if you're BOTH MEN or BOTH WOMEN?
Post by: bonbonquest on July 04, 2008, 12:43:14 PM
http://www.imeem.com/people/RrjD80/music/NJQG_mlH/avenue_q_if_you_were_gay/

open this... simple and stupid song... but it makes a lot of sense...

it's from the musical Avenue Q...
Title: Re: SO WHAT if you're BOTH MEN or BOTH WOMEN?
Post by: udtohan on July 04, 2008, 01:42:24 PM
hahaha nice. there was a musical show last june 17 at Carlos P. Romulo Auditorium in RCBC Tower Makati City Philippines to watch the farewell run of the Broadway hit musical “Avenue Q.”

(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3052/2586150765_c1cafa1c94_o.jpg)

last year, i loved the song "there's a fine fine lie between love and ..." it's wonderful.
Title: Re: SO WHAT if you're BOTH MEN or BOTH WOMEN?
Post by: bonbonquest on July 04, 2008, 01:59:53 PM

did you catch that show? i missed it... well, I didn't even know there was a show... hehehe! sayang ah!...

and about that song, "There's a Fine, Fine Line"... it's a nice song... makes a lot of sense, too... ang mga songs sa AQ kay binuang pero meaningful kaayo jud... as in!...
even the song "The Internet is for Porn"... heheheh!
Title: Re: SO WHAT if you're BOTH MEN or BOTH WOMEN?
Post by: Bambi on July 04, 2008, 06:46:44 PM

You are not only genius but much liberal too to accept the simple way how I understand things in more or less directions. I love you for that boy!
Let me share you this....
Bitaw Pare..maong dili gyod ko mobasa ug Bibliya kay makalibog ug samot unya basin ug mobalhin kog tino-uhan unya.
I often remembered short after I filed a divorced after 18 years of marriage, my younger sister who has lot of titles/degress: (She was always the No.1 since Elem- grades, High school   (Valedictorian....Ex Pres. Roxas schlorarship, 1 of the top ten in Nursing, graduated in Law but she did not take the Bar though my ex-Chief in PFO b4 was 100% that she will get it being her Law  Prof. as he told me (Atty Ucat from Valencia), she is Chemical Engr. license holder, she graduated BSE and at present  she is a Chief of 30 PNPs all men, she was assigned in Cotabato, long service in Bohol and Region !V, at present assigned somewhere in Leyte...she has that rank third from the highest). And she is too religious and a bit conservative but I love and respected her brillant ideas for she meant it good for me.  She is a strong POST IN THE WHOLE FAMILY. To make it short, on that time of my life crisis, she oftentimes mailed a very thick letters with "biblical long verses/ citations" for she was 100% that I had sinned, have sin committing "adultery". I had answered her in diplomatic way: "Pamisahi na lang ko diha kay dako mog gasto sa bayad sa mail" usahay abot god ug almost 1000 Pesos kay mora naman ug little package.  Pare....to tell you the truth it did takes for my Family to accept that  for then a big "tragedy" and now they are happy for me knowing that I deserved having my loving young husband. They all like and love him!  But for them...my first one remains as the original according to God's law.  I have a good friendly relationship with my Ex and his Family.  Their doors are still wide open for me anytime. And for this....I thank God for his blessings, given me this kind of life: God is good at all and even sinners are under his custodial care, isn't?
Title: Re: SO WHAT if you're BOTH MEN or BOTH WOMEN?
Post by: Bambi on July 04, 2008, 06:48:23 PM

This is funny and quite nice, thanks for posting bbquest.  How is love life?  Wish you  all the best!
Title: Re: SO WHAT if you're BOTH MEN or BOTH WOMEN?
Post by: ms da binsi on July 04, 2008, 07:58:33 PM



Bayat, live your life as it is. Live and enjoy to the fullest kay after this wala na.

Mobalik na ta sa yuta ug mahimo na tang carbon dioxide fertilizer...

ug kanang giignon nila nga spirit mao na na ang Carbon dioxide...

Mo recycle ra ta Bayat, mao nga siguro atong next life mao na kita ang mga tanom sa yuta.
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Post by: udtohan on July 04, 2008, 11:57:35 PM

i'd a cd on that but a friend borrowed it and sadly he didn't return it for a year na.... :(
Title: Re: SO WHAT if you're BOTH MEN or BOTH WOMEN?
Post by: Lorenzo on July 05, 2008, 02:50:12 AM

Pareng Bambi,

Mao jud, amiga, mao jud. No one is 'too bad' to recieve salvation and mercies sa Ginoo. An open heart, and a loving heart jud. Ingoon baya ahong amigo sa catholic bible study sa collegio nako this past semester that 'God Is Love. Whoever dwells in Love, the Lord dwells in him'.

Pare, we all make mistakes. We all make our trips and falls. I myself have had my own share of this during high school, and college. Pero you know what, it is our ability jud to learn from our mistakes and our faults that strengthens and builds our character.

I remember a phrase jud, Pare, that says, "To Err is Human, but to learn to forgive and accept your mistakes is Divine."




Your Pare,
Title: Re: SO WHAT if you're BOTH MEN or BOTH WOMEN?
Post by: VinSentYou on August 04, 2008, 10:18:03 PM
God loves unconditionally[/b]?  What an outlook!

What do you think?

wow! good point, kid! indeed, there is no predefined bracket for human love.
bravo!
I'm straight but I support this stand.

Di ka RC no? how old are you? are you one of these that you speak of?
Title: Re: SO WHAT if you're BOTH MEN or BOTH WOMEN?
Post by: bonbonquest on August 04, 2008, 10:48:29 PM

heheheh!... thanks, dude!...

I'm 18... and yes, I am one of these that I speak of... heheheh!...

what's RC, by the way??.. heheh!
Title: Re: SO WHAT if you're BOTH MEN or BOTH WOMEN?
Post by: VinSentYou on August 04, 2008, 10:51:06 PM

wow ha! 18 lang, out ka na! bilib ko da! naa na pod tingali ka uyab sa? kay relationship2 na man ni imo gihisgotan daani.

RC means Roman Catholic, by the way....... heheheh!
Title: Re: SO WHAT if you're BOTH MEN or BOTH WOMEN?
Post by: kiamoy on August 04, 2008, 11:20:13 PM
aysus pagka gwapo sa uyab ni ludwig!!

OT: huy ludwig..imishu!
Title: Re: SO WHAT if you're BOTH MEN or BOTH WOMEN?
Post by: bonbonquest on August 06, 2008, 12:32:49 PM

heheheh!... thanks, Kiams... well... what can I say?... I'm a lucky guy!... mishoo, too!...
Title: Re: SO WHAT if you're BOTH MEN or BOTH WOMEN?
Post by: ms da binsi on August 06, 2008, 12:42:57 PM
hala naa nay lavoo!

naa na sad mishoo!

hahhahahha
Title: Re: SO WHAT if you're BOTH MEN or BOTH WOMEN?
Post by: VinSentYou on August 06, 2008, 12:43:35 PM

kanang Ted?. mao na imong uyab?... OH my!.. he's so gwapo!... i checked out your pics on multiply....... shyet!.. makabayot man sad na uy!.. shyet! shyet!..

by the way, Ludwig diay imong name? I guess imong complete name nang imong web address.... hahahahaww!..
Title: Re: SO WHAT if you're BOTH MEN or BOTH WOMEN?
Post by: bonbonquest on August 06, 2008, 12:44:35 PM

OMG!... nabulok ko kadyot dah!.. hahahah!.. stupid of me... nope, I'm not RC... heheh!.. why ka ask? ikaw?
Title: Re: SO WHAT if you're BOTH MEN or BOTH WOMEN?
Post by: bonbonquest on August 06, 2008, 12:46:31 PM

hala! na-unsa na man ni?.. sure ka nga straight ka??... hahaha!.. feel lagi nako kay mura'g lahi ra... nyahahah!

Ludwig is part of my first name.. Ludwig Bon.. yes, that's my complete name sa akong web page.. heheh!
Title: Re: SO WHAT if you're BOTH MEN or BOTH WOMEN?
Post by: ms da binsi on August 06, 2008, 12:47:49 PM
bwahahahhhahha!

ako sad feel nako! ning bagting akong belles diri! hahahhaha
Title: Re: SO WHAT if you're BOTH MEN or BOTH WOMEN?
Post by: VinSentYou on August 06, 2008, 12:55:56 PM

aaaarrrrgggh!!!!!!... drop topic... bon, mangayo ko number nimo... if ok lang...;D
Title: Re: SO WHAT if you're BOTH MEN or BOTH WOMEN?
Post by: bonbonquest on August 06, 2008, 02:08:00 PM

that'd be fine but I can't seem to send you messages... since I can't view your profile... I don't know why... there seems to be something wrong with the technicalities sa TB... I don't know what... add me na lang sa friendster: bonbon_q_2121@yahoo.com

then send me a message there so I could give you my number... I can't give it out here sa forum...

by the way, ngano mangayo man ka number?
Title: Re: SO WHAT if you're BOTH MEN or BOTH WOMEN?
Post by: VinSentYou on August 06, 2008, 04:09:19 PM

nangayo gud so I could text you or call you. unsa pa man diay?. hihi! I heard you had connections to directors and all. other than that, I'd like to make friends. anything wrong with that?

btw, private man imo profile sa friendster. accept ko ha.
Title: Re: SO WHAT if you're BOTH MEN or BOTH WOMEN?
Post by: kiamoy on August 07, 2008, 02:43:09 AM
hahahah ..ako pud nataas ako pikas kilay..hmmm

basta i CC nalang ko sa text (hahaha) if manglaag mo nga daghan ta..haha

Title: Re: SO WHAT if you're BOTH MEN or BOTH WOMEN?
Post by: bonbonquest on August 07, 2008, 09:34:36 AM

Kana siya, naa na sija'y uyab nga girl... mao nga................... *you get the point*.. *insert grin*

If I'm there.. maybe makig-EB na si Vins.. hahah! hangout 'nya ta with whoever else naa dinha nga available... including my beau.. hahaha!
Title: Re: SO WHAT if you're BOTH MEN or BOTH WOMEN?
Post by: VinSentYou on August 07, 2008, 12:04:55 PM

you people are so mean. especially you, Bon! ayaw sad ko ibuking bah! laina man mo oy! da oy!...... nyehehehehe!

Bitaw, am in the process of spreading my wings. just have this teeny weeny problem!........
a human being whom God created with one of my swimmers...... and a girl who persistently denies what she sees no matter how unmasculine i try to act!!!!!! get the point?

Bon, she's not my girlfriend. she's just "the mother" and nothing more. believe me, lisod uy! gikapoy na ko. HELP!
Title: Re: SO WHAT if you're BOTH MEN or BOTH WOMEN?
Post by: kiamoy on August 09, 2008, 11:45:56 PM

oh well. gwapo imo beau :) hihihi
Title: Re: SO WHAT if you're BOTH MEN or BOTH WOMEN?
Post by: hazel on August 10, 2008, 02:28:43 AM

huh? spread your wings and fly.  ::)
Title: Re: SO WHAT if you're BOTH MEN or BOTH WOMEN?
Post by: ms da binsi on August 10, 2008, 02:32:14 AM


Vinsent, i welcome you with open arms!

Welcome to the club dear!

DONT HESITATE to spread your wings and fly freely like a bird!! let me know if you need batteries for your engines!
Title: Re: SO WHAT if you're BOTH MEN or BOTH WOMEN?
Post by: Bambi on August 11, 2008, 06:48:47 PM

VinSentYou welcome to the Club! Enjoy your stay here.
Title: Re: SO WHAT if you're BOTH MEN or BOTH WOMEN?
Post by: bonbonquest on August 12, 2008, 02:29:31 PM

balik2x jud ka sulti anah uih... hweheheh!
Title: Re: SO WHAT if you're BOTH MEN or BOTH WOMEN?
Post by: udtohan on August 12, 2008, 04:18:59 PM
show your true colors and spread love...
Title: Re: SO WHAT if you're BOTH MEN or BOTH WOMEN?
Post by: bol-anon nga cebuano on August 13, 2008, 12:19:58 AM
gays and lesbians adds color to this world. i have lesbian and gay friends who are professional in any sense specially on the way they behave. i think sexual things doesn't need to be discuss since it's too private and they are entitled to be happy. in my own honest opinion, accepting them is totally within cultural bounds. some communities and groups doesn't want them while some will embrace them. all religions have gay and lesbian followers except for one, islam. as what i've heard islam despise homosexuality that's why gays and lesbians from islam dominated countries specially in the middle east fled and moved to other places where are they are accepted.
for me, it's not a problem. i've known a lot of people who are homosexual by nature. they are priests, professors, pastors, nurses, doctors, engineers, basketball players and other sports personalities. i have homosexual relatives both young and old. as long as their demeanor will surely point who they are and they don't deny it plus they are not vulgar and indicent. some gays are so indicent, lewd and immoral in the sense that they are show off in public.
Title: Re: SO WHAT if you're BOTH MEN or BOTH WOMEN?
Post by: VinSentYou on August 21, 2008, 10:35:56 PM

how i wish it were that easy. i just wish.
Title: Re: SO WHAT if you're BOTH MEN or BOTH WOMEN?
Post by: VinSentYou on August 21, 2008, 10:38:29 PM

very well said. by the way, this forum layout has lots of technical bugs. what happened?
Title: Re: SO WHAT if you're BOTH MEN or BOTH WOMEN?
Post by: bol-anon nga cebuano on August 22, 2008, 10:17:02 PM
maybe because they migrated to a new server that's why TB was out for a couple of days.
hopefully they can correct it as soon as possible.
Title: Re: SO WHAT if you're BOTH MEN or BOTH WOMEN?
Post by: bonbonquest on August 24, 2008, 10:13:50 PM

hala.. mura'g na-igo ko ani bah... tsk.tsk,, hehehe!.. bitaw uih.. I miss my baby!
Title: Re: SO WHAT if you're BOTH MEN or BOTH WOMEN?
Post by: bol-anon nga cebuano on August 25, 2008, 11:36:38 PM
do RP clergies and laymen will accept same sex marriage? if ANG LADLAD won the party list election, that could have been their first priority. what do you think? are you in favor? for me, im against it. im an open minded person but im still within the bounds of morality.
Title: Re: SO WHAT if you're BOTH MEN or BOTH WOMEN?
Post by: grazie7y on August 26, 2008, 02:41:09 AM

Ray, I don't think same sex marriage is ever be accepted in RP or at least not in my lifetime but then again I could wrong, of course.  Even dire sa America, gina contest pa man ang pag allow sa same sex marriage in some cities.  I have gay and lesbian friends and I love them but I still believe that marriage is for a man and a woman.  Even my super gay friends think that way too.
Title: Re: SO WHAT if you're BOTH MEN or BOTH WOMEN?
Post by: Moyhua on August 26, 2008, 05:55:22 AM
hala [/i] ug donkey kay di na kakita ug partner, lahi ra pod na!

Hala ka ms dabinsi dha jud taga amo..ijara anay lagi nga baboy....pwera gaba sya..unya anak sa iyang parente iyang gi-rape...
Title: Re: SO WHAT if you're BOTH MEN or BOTH WOMEN?
Post by: bonbonquest on September 01, 2008, 05:47:25 PM

I'm in favor, of course... that's my stand... we all have our biases... and this is among mine... hehehe!
Title: Re: SO WHAT if you're BOTH MEN or BOTH WOMEN?
Post by: kiamoy on September 08, 2008, 02:36:06 AM
ironic:

in this world, people would rather see to men holding guns and killing each other rather than two men, holding hands and loving each other...
Title: Re: SO WHAT if you're BOTH MEN or BOTH WOMEN?
Post by: ms da binsi on September 08, 2008, 09:46:07 AM



OMG! he is pathological maniac!
Title: Re: SO WHAT if you're BOTH MEN or BOTH WOMEN?
Post by: grazie7y on September 08, 2008, 02:28:00 PM

that's sad, Bem, if our world has turned that way na they'd rather see men holding guns and killing each other than two men holding hands and loving each other.  I don't want to think that's actually what's happening na jud and I hope and pray that it will never happen.  Here especially in San Francisco, gay men holding each others' hands and displaying loving emotions are not new naman and acceptable na jud though i have to admit at first na bag-uhan ko.  But now, it doesn't bother me.  And as I said in previous posts, I have lots of gay friends, not just men but women as well. 
Title: Re: SO WHAT if you're BOTH MEN or BOTH WOMEN?
Post by: bol-anon nga cebuano on September 10, 2008, 12:20:17 AM
kiams, that's the most gayish saying i've ever heard and read. hehehehhe, peace...
anyway kidding aside, i do agree with you. but here in our country people doesn't traditionally see men or women cuddling or holding each other without us thinking that both of them are lovers. and being engaged with same sex is considered taboo here in our country, culturewise.
Title: Re: SO WHAT if you're BOTH MEN or BOTH WOMEN?
Post by: kiamoy on September 10, 2008, 12:26:04 AM
huy.. ang first nga "TO" ..

"two men holding guns" na dapat..anu bayan..dili nako ma modify..
Title: Re: SO WHAT if you're BOTH MEN or BOTH WOMEN?
Post by: mike laurence88 on May 22, 2009, 04:20:01 PM
respect the sexuality of each person
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