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« Reply #40 on: July 01, 2008, 01:42:52 pm »
yeah..if posible refrain from swearing and attacking the writer. Lets stick to the topic.

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« Reply #41 on: July 01, 2008, 01:47:00 pm »
Have lots of fun, and have a safe trip Ms A.

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« Reply #42 on: July 01, 2008, 03:51:05 pm »
everybody is entitled to his or her opinion but be responsible enough not to step into someone's foot.

thank you for this... my mistake, I admit... but when people start stepping on my feet and making a mockery of the things i stand for... my ego just won't budge...

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« Reply #43 on: July 01, 2008, 03:57:01 pm »
Cool lang Bon,basta welcome ka sa TB and welcome as one of my new friend.
Mag-enjoy ta sa atong payag online. :D

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« Reply #44 on: July 01, 2008, 04:07:18 pm »
Cool lang Bon,basta welcome ka sa TB and welcome as one of my new friend.
Mag-enjoy ta sa atong payag online. :D

thanks, Orchids... senxa na lang sa mga mabut-han sa kanyon... I've shaken biggows so i could certainly take down that low-life... hehehe!

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« Reply #45 on: July 01, 2008, 04:50:33 pm »
On May 28, 2008 Boholano Bishop Leonardo Medroso said that marriage is only for man and woman. I hope everyone there in Bohol had read his pastoral message.

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« Reply #46 on: July 01, 2008, 06:14:48 pm »
On May 28, 2008 Boholano Bishop Leonardo Medroso said that marriage is only for man and woman. I hope everyone there in Bohol had read his pastoral message.

Amazing!  Well, whoever says such, I wouldn't care.  Let the pope say it.  I would listen but that doesn't mean I would believe him.
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« Reply #47 on: July 01, 2008, 06:46:02 pm »
good,bon. you're getting cooler now.

your ted is very handsome. ;D

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« Reply #48 on: July 01, 2008, 06:59:22 pm »
On May 28, 2008 Boholano Bishop Leonardo Medroso said that marriage is only for man and woman. I hope everyone there in Bohol had read his pastoral message.

Wowboholphilippines!

Katholiko baya pod ko sukad sa ahong pagbunyag and I never forget to praise our Almighty God but I feel sorry that His earth personnel are most considered as the sinners. Daghan baya pod nga cases nga mga Pare nag  sex abused ug mga bata.  Dili napod maihap ang mga maid ug kusinera nga gipabuntisan ug mga Pare. I went out disco dancing with Priest in my young days.....they are human but I kept myself free from those temptations.  I had 2 gfs  who had 2 Priest lovers.  Maayo pa siguro sa atong tinouhan nga Katoliko nga ila na lang itugot nga magminyo usab ang mga Pari kay sa dina gjod madala ug "lo-lo".  We are just all human baja with strong sexual desires dili man pwede nga i-singgot ang sperm cells.
Here in Europe....gays, lesbians are free to enter into martrimonial stage of life but of course not in Church kay basin ug modog-dog ug mokilat "linti-an unya" whahahahaha ;D Forgive me.

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« Reply #49 on: July 01, 2008, 07:42:49 pm »
 no one can make decisions for us, we can live our lives whatever we want, yet remember the principle of volitional responsibility, we are the product of our own decisions.
i have no religion but i believe in GOD. if you may pls read 2Corinthians 5:10 and Romans 14:12 :)

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« Reply #50 on: July 01, 2008, 09:17:11 pm »
good,bon. you're getting cooler now.

your ted is very handsome. ;D

thank you... It's not that hard for me to be cool...
yakang-yaka... but naa lang jud ko'y mga "push button" nga inevitable nga makapasapot nako kung mapindotan... hehehe!

and thanks, yes... he really is... and he's 5 years older than me... he's 23... hehehe!

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« Reply #51 on: July 01, 2008, 09:19:50 pm »
no one can make decisions for us, we can live our lives whatever we want, yet remember the principle of volitional responsibility, we are the product of our own decisions.
i have no religion but i believe in GOD. if you may pls read 2Corinthians 5:10 and Romans 14:12 :)

i appreciate this... thanks, Lee...

and i'll look those verses up... thanks for sharing...

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« Reply #53 on: July 01, 2008, 09:22:11 pm »
Wowboholphilippines!

Katholiko baya pod ko sukad sa ahong pagbunyag and I never forget to praise our Almighty God but I feel sorry that His earth personnel are most considered as the sinners. Daghan baya pod nga cases nga mga Pare nag  sex abused ug mga bata.  Dili napod maihap ang mga maid ug kusinera nga gipabuntisan ug mga Pare. I went out disco dancing with Priest in my young days.....they are human but I kept myself free from those temptations.  I had 2 gfs  who had 2 Priest lovers.  Maayo pa siguro sa atong tinouhan nga Katoliko nga ila na lang itugot nga magminyo usab ang mga Pari kay sa dina gjod madala ug "lo-lo".  We are just all human baja with strong sexual desires dili man pwede nga i-singgot ang sperm cells.
Here in Europe....gays, lesbians are free to enter into martrimonial stage of life but of course not in Church kay basin ug modog-dog ug mokilat "linti-an unya" whahahahaha ;D Forgive me.




hahahha!

i love this comment  Bayat, and I hope all the priest in the world can read this too...

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« Reply #54 on: July 01, 2008, 09:32:19 pm »



hahahha!

i love this comment  Bayat, and I hope all the priest in the world can read this too...

Huhhhhhh,naka-ihi ko oy.Syalan man ni. ;D

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« Reply #55 on: July 02, 2008, 12:20:03 am »
Wowboholphilippines!

Katholiko baya pod ko sukad sa ahong pagbunyag and I never forget to praise our Almighty God but I feel sorry that His earth personnel are most considered as the sinners. Daghan baya pod nga cases nga mga Pare nag  sex abused ug mga bata.  Dili napod maihap ang mga maid ug kusinera nga gipabuntisan ug mga Pare. I went out disco dancing with Priest in my young days.....they are human but I kept myself free from those temptations.  I had 2 gfs  who had 2 Priest lovers.  Maayo pa siguro sa atong tinouhan nga Katoliko nga ila na lang itugot nga magminyo usab ang mga Pari kay sa dina gjod madala ug "lo-lo".  We are just all human baja with strong sexual desires dili man pwede nga i-singgot ang sperm cells.
Here in Europe....gays, lesbians are free to enter into martrimonial stage of life but of course not in Church kay basin ug modog-dog ug mokilat "linti-an unya" whahahahaha ;D Forgive me.

now this is what you call... "tinge of reality"... heheheh!

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« Reply #56 on: July 02, 2008, 05:38:18 am »
thank you... It's not that hard for me to be cool...
yakang-yaka... but naa lang jud ko'y mga "push button" nga inevitable nga makapasapot nako kung mapindotan... hehehe!

and thanks, yes... he really is... and he's 5 years older than me... he's 23... hehehe!

Saludo ug dako ahong respeto sa imong pagkamatinud-anon nga mibarog sa imong pagkatawo nga maoy gihatag sa atong Ginoo. I am sure that there are many gays who are "real coward" not outing themselves as what they are.  And that I will consider cheating and that could be a sin.

By the way, who is who in your  avatar? Both looks cute ug mga gwapos.

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« Reply #57 on: July 02, 2008, 06:22:03 am »
Saludo ug dako ahong respeto sa imong pagkamatinud-anon nga mibarog sa imong pagkatawo nga maoy gihatag sa atong Ginoo. I am sure that there are many gays who are "real coward" not outing themselves as what they are.  And that I will consider cheating and that could be a sin.

By the way, who is who in your  avatar? Both looks cute ug mga gwapos.


...mibarog sa imong pagkatawo nga maoy gihatag sa atong Ginoo.


That is really the best phrase i have ever read nga sa uban gihimong sala. Akong dili kasabtan sa ubang mga Ginoo nga gi create man kaha nila ang human being and other creature, unja ug naay mulfunctions ang ubang part sa brain, Ijang isalikway? murag di jud ko mo tuo anang ginooha na!

Yeah being not true to one's self is the number one lie and i considered it cheating before cheating to somone! Kay lagi sa atong kultura nga gina salikway ang mga bajut, i can forgive those who had cheated to themselves, kay i know how hard it is to hide one's own identity.

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« Reply #58 on: July 02, 2008, 11:03:05 am »
Lorenzo, do you know why the terms AD and BC are now obsolete?

Well, in case you don't, here's the reason:  It's because not everyone in this world is Christian and not everyone believes in the bible.

You can't shut down anyone's personal beliefs just because he/she doesn't conform to yours.  I'm gay and I don't give a damn what the Roman Catholic church (or any other institution) says about it.  I do "things" and I don't give a F**K what any bishop or priest or rabbi or imam or monk or nun or yogi or the Bible or Q'uran or Kabbalah or Bhagavad Gita says about the things my partner and I do.

Don't get me wrong, I do have a religion.  However, I will not talk about it here because I do not intend on making its teachings part of my defense scheme.

And do remember, we only have one God no matter what our religion is.

Bonbon, I understand your point of view on this matter, but try to retort to other people's opinions without having to use profane words, please. Notice that I did not use such words to you or anyone in this thread. Let us discuss like civil human beings. Intellectuals with mutual respects on each other's persona.

My views, Bon, are affixed and I will not change my views to fit into anyone's box or any idealogue. Like yourself, lol.

I am a religious man, and I will even dare to say that my morals and ethos are based on my religion and my own faith. Through which is based on religious Christian, specifically of Roman Catholic, scripture. Now , I would like to tell you that though religion has a large influence in my views on social as well as personal topics, I make my own interpretation and my own judgment accordingly.

Its called social conservatism, Bon. I hold quite traditionalist views on social aspects; and I can guarantee you that I am not the only one in here with such views, in the United States, in the Philippines and in the world.

Concerning your bringing up of the use of BC/AD, on the contrary, secular society uses the term BCE/CE (before common era/ common era). But many still use the BC/AD setting. It depends on the individual.

And lastly, you bring about an interesting point at how you 'dont care' about the view of others, which I am lightly paraphrasing from your retort. However, even if you say that, it still will not mitigate the fact that over 1.2 billion Catholics and an additional 500 million protestant christians, an additional 1.1 billion muslims still hold rather conservative feelings on this topic.

I will end this remark with a personal absolution. It is in my personal opinion, that the act of homosexuality is a SIN. It is a sin as noted in scripture. Old testament and New testament. And it will vary on different individual's view on salvation and acceptance of this act. We do not know if whether the Lord accepts this or not, we can only hope that the Lord is accepting of it and looks past this sin. But I can tell you this, that it is told clearly in Genesis, in Leviticus and in Col that this said act IS a sin.

Many will think that such thinking is derelict, but to think and ignore its message, which comes from The Holy Bible itself in not only the Catholic version but through many protestant versions, is ignoring and choosing to pick and choose what part of the bible one can use.

Bon, the act of homosexuality is a SIN.

And looking at it in a biological stand point, as a scientist, is violation of natural law. The point of sentient beings is to reproduce and replicate their genetic codes. XY genome will mix with XX genome. You cannot mix XX with XX or XY with XY. And in the words of Ate Belle, she is right. Homosexuality IS manifested because of neurological degeneracy. There is enzymatic abnormalities.

So, in actuality, the 'abomination' that is said in Holy Scripture bears TRUE forebearance IN that even science proves the 'abnormality' of Homosexuality. In the view of the scientific--organismal point of view.

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« Reply #59 on: July 02, 2008, 11:06:41 am »
On May 28, 2008 Boholano Bishop Leonardo Medroso said that marriage is only for man and woman. I hope everyone there in Bohol had read his pastoral message.

The message that His Eminence, Bishop Leonardo Medroso ushers truth in what the bishops and the Holy Orders reiterate.

Even in the United States, there is varying verbatum on the aspect of marriage.

Many Americans view that there should be equal rights for homosexuals on a political point of view. Equal benefits for them; given civil unions.

But the topic of 'marriage' has remained a very sensitive topic. It still relegates to the concept of man and woman. Not man-man or woman-woman.



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« Reply #60 on: July 02, 2008, 11:17:00 am »
There are many neuroscientists and neurobiologists that have studied homosexuality. Many view it as a species-based inhibitory effect.

Meaning, it is a genetic manifest that was ingrained in certain invididuals in certain populations as a way to mitigate population growth.

In a natural point of view, organisms are supposed to have checks and balances. It is part of the Malthusian concept that the given resources in the planet are linearly affixed, and human population growth is alinear. Growth is also alinear. Meaning that there will definitely be a time when humans will outgrow the given resources.

We see this in nature that whenever there is a limited resources for a given animal population, as a result, females will produce more destructive enzymes during their gestation period; increases in fetal deaths, instances of animalic cannabilism as well as predation increases.

Humans by right violate natural law because we have already developed science which have combated diseases, plagues, and viruses that evolved as a way to destroy populations and limit human populatory growth and presence. Humans have developed technology that can solve physiological diseases in the cardic, neural, endocrinal systems etc. There is no 'natural' predator for humans as humans are the apex predatory species. There is no limiting reactant to keep population growth in check.


HOWEVER, there have been articles written by neuroscientists and neurobiologists that homosexuality is degeneric condition that was designed on a species' level to inhibit female-male mating. And therefore would decrease human population. Since the act leads to self-induced populatory destruction.

In an organismal-populatory view, it is self-destructive. And if left unchecked will lead to species-wide deterioration.

One can say that what scripture teaches holds rather STRONG links to scientific proofs.

One can, even dare to say that there is parallel to scriptural teachings and scientific fact.


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« Reply #61 on: July 02, 2008, 01:54:33 pm »
Saludo ug dako ahong respeto sa imong pagkamatinud-anon nga mibarog sa imong pagkatawo nga maoy gihatag sa atong Ginoo. I am sure that there are many gays who are "real coward" not outing themselves as what they are.  And that I will consider cheating and that could be a sin.

By the way, who is who in your  avatar? Both looks cute ug mga gwapos.

hahahaha!  i like the idea that "not coming out" instead, is the sin rather than coming out!... awesome!... i'm gonna advocate that... hahaha!..

anyway, the one on the left is me and the one on the right is may baby Teddy bear nga niwang... hehehe!

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« Reply #62 on: July 02, 2008, 02:36:43 pm »
Bonbon, I understand your point of view on this matter, but try to retort to other people's opinions without having to use profane words, please. Notice that I did not use such words to you or anyone in this thread. Let us discuss like civil human beings. Intellectuals with mutual respects on each other's persona.

My views, Bon, are affixed and I will not change my views to fit into anyone's box or any idealogue. Like yourself, lol.

I am a religious man, and I will even dare to say that my morals and ethos are based on my religion and my own faith. Through which is based on religious Christian, specifically of Roman Catholic, scripture. Now , I would like to tell you that though religion has a large influence in my views on social as well as personal topics, I make my own interpretation and my own judgment accordingly.

Its called social conservatism, Bon. I hold quite traditionalist views on social aspects; and I can guarantee you that I am not the only one in here with such views, in the United States, in the Philippines and in the world.

Concerning your bringing up of the use of BC/AD, on the contrary, secular society uses the term BCE/CE (before common era/ common era). But many still use the BC/AD setting. It depends on the individual.

And lastly, you bring about an interesting point at how you 'dont care' about the view of others, which I am lightly paraphrasing from your retort. However, even if you say that, it still will not mitigate the fact that over 1.2 billion Catholics and an additional 500 million protestant christians, an additional 1.1 billion muslims still hold rather conservative feelings on this topic.

I will end this remark with a personal absolution. It is in my personal opinion, that the act of homosexuality is a SIN. It is a sin as noted in scripture. Old testament and New testament. And it will vary on different individual's view on salvation and acceptance of this act. We do not know if whether the Lord accepts this or not, we can only hope that the Lord is accepting of it and looks past this sin. But I can tell you this, that it is told clearly in Genesis, in Leviticus and in Col that this said act IS a sin.

Many will think that such thinking is derelict, but to think and ignore its message, which comes from The Holy Bible itself in not only the Catholic version but through many protestant versions, is ignoring and choosing to pick and choose what part of the bible one can use.

Bon, the act of homosexuality is a SIN.

And looking at it in a biological stand point, as a scientist, is violation of natural law. The point of sentient beings is to reproduce and replicate their genetic codes. XY genome will mix with XX genome. You cannot mix XX with XX or XY with XY. And in the words of Ate Belle, she is right. Homosexuality IS manifested because of neurological degeneracy. There is enzymatic abnormalities.

So, in actuality, the 'abomination' that is said in Holy Scripture bears TRUE forebearance IN that even science proves the 'abnormality' of Homosexuality. In the view of the scientific--organismal point of view.

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The message that His Eminence, Bishop Leonardo Medroso ushers truth in what the bishops and the Holy Orders reiterate.

Even in the United States, there is varying verbatum on the aspect of marriage.

Many Americans view that there should be equal rights for homosexuals on a political point of view. Equal benefits for them; given civil unions.

But the topic of 'marriage' has remained a very sensitive topic. It still relegates to the concept of man and woman. Not man-man or woman-woman.



So that's what you think.

I've said it before and I will say it again: I don't care what you say, Lorenzo.  I have a mind of my own and so do you.  I have my own line of thinking that has been influenced by generations of great thinkers and I'm not about to bow down to any other ideologies obviously lesser than that.

I think as much as I read.  When I read the works Freud, Piaget, Kohlberg, Erikson, the holy Bible, the Kabbalah, Q'uran, Bhagavad Gita, or anything else, I use my head.  My brain isn't a sponge, you know.  I do know how to think--very well, in fact.  I've read about all those things you mentioned in your rant and I've pondered on them.  I'm not the kind of person who only recognizes a single-perspective.  I do consider the other side but your arguments are just not as strong as mine is founded, so I trashed them.

Yes, I do read the Christian bible.  It's among the most insightful books I've ever come across but I don't necessarily believe everything.  If you do, then that's your choice, Lorenzo.  Don't bombard me with them because I really don't care.  Nothing you say will influence me in any substantial manner.  I don't even know who you are.  If I did, it wouldn't matter either way because, much like you with your advocacy, I keep a firm stand with mine and I don't budge for absolutely anyone below my "standards of intelligence".

Your scientific statement on this issue is not useful.  First and foremost because I already know about that.  Second is because we (my partner and I) have abandoned thoughts of reproduction among ourselves.  We are men, alright? We ARE men.  We are aware that it's never going to happen between us.

And telling me that I'm abnormal does not really provoke me intensely.  I know that my genes were designed this way by the biological course of nature.  And who do you Christians say is responsible for this?  God, right?  And does your perspective of God consider to be a sin what makes two people (even of the same sex) happy?  Especially if this happiness is sealed with genuine love?

You say that homosexuality is a sin and your basis of this is the holy bible.  Well, let your basis be your basis.  My basis is mine as well.

I'm not close-minded, though.  I am as dynamic as all human beings normally are.  But given that you are deliberately calling me an "abomination," I would say that you are as "banal" and "feeble" as your shallow-founded arguments.

Keep them coming, Lorenzo.  I would never care.  You are wasting your time trying to tell me things that I am completely aware about.  The fact is that I don't really care... at all.

Let us end this argument, Lorenzo.  Please stop trying to convince me that homosexuality is a sin and that it is an abominable thing.  Nothing you say or do will convince me of this because in my eyes, you are nobody.  I do not recognize you in any significant way.  I do not regard you any more than how I regard every candle vendor at St. Joseph's Cathedral (whom I respect as human beings, by the way), any mendicant at the port of Tagbilaran City or any cashier at BQ or ICM.  To me, you are no one so don't try imposing on me.

Thank you.  Have a nice life.


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« Reply #63 on: July 02, 2008, 06:13:12 pm »
hala, taas naman diay ni nga thread.

anyway, be cool gentlemen.

in bohol, two women were wed in panglao, bohol. sila pa to kinaunhan. wala pay two men.. (hopefully naa na sila si __).

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« Reply #64 on: July 02, 2008, 07:08:35 pm »
hala, taas naman diay ni nga thread.

anyway, be cool gentlemen.

in bohol, two women were wed in panglao, bohol. sila pa to kinaunhan. wala pay two men.. (hopefully naa na sila si __).

dis-a ka nanggikat el mundo? hala sugod nag panintal aw pamintal diha.

I love to have b***t as a best friend. I have one sa Bohol.  Had tried with men basta in the long run gusto gjod ning mga lalaki mo-i*** nimo bisan unsa pa mo ka closed friends. Long live the Bayots! :-*

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« Reply #65 on: July 02, 2008, 09:00:46 pm »
Aw basta may mailagay,talagang may mapaglagyan.No? ;D

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« Reply #66 on: July 02, 2008, 09:04:33 pm »
hala, taas naman diay ni nga thread.

anyway, be cool gentlemen.

in bohol, two women were wed in panglao, bohol. sila pa to kinaunhan. wala pay two men.. (hopefully naa na sila si __).

Oh... I am cool, Leo.  As in sublimating... exhaling ice vapor...
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« Reply #67 on: July 02, 2008, 09:50:43 pm »


Hello All,

There were a lot of threads / exposures on this topic in the past. And all I could say are the following:

1.  Being human, be it heterosexuals or homosexuals, we are sinners... and since God is forgiving.. and when the sinners repent... there is heaven.

2.  reflecting the bible....I was an ex-seminarian and I've encountered phrases like this " the value of sin changes ... as time changes..."

3.  in this dynamic world especially in corporate,  we are not talking anymore about gender..., sexual preferences, we are talking about performance.... quality performance per se.

4.  look on our surroundings... the achievers do not belong only to the straights...either men or women or anybody would be great if they are determined to be so.

More to come, more to share....



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« Reply #68 on: July 02, 2008, 10:47:44 pm »
dis-a ka nanggikat el mundo? hala sugod nag panintal aw pamintal diha.

I love to have b***t as a best friend. I have one sa Bohol.  Had tried with men basta in the long run gusto gjod ning mga lalaki mo-i*** nimo bisan unsa pa mo ka closed friends. Long live the Bayots! :-*

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« Reply #69 on: July 02, 2008, 10:53:34 pm »
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« Reply #70 on: July 03, 2008, 03:17:46 am »
So that's what you think.

I've said it before and I will say it again: I don't care what you say, Lorenzo.  I have a mind of my own and so do you.  I have my own line of thinking that has been influenced by generations of great thinkers and I'm not about to bow down to any other ideologies obviously lesser than that.

I think as much as I read.  When I read the works Freud, Piaget, Kohlberg, Erikson, the holy Bible, the Kabbalah, Q'uran, Bhagavad Gita, or anything else, I use my head.  My brain isn't a sponge, you know.  I do know how to think--very well, in fact.  I've read about all those things you mentioned in your rant and I've pondered on them.  I'm not the kind of person who only recognizes a single-perspective.  I do consider the other side but your arguments are just not as strong as mine is founded, so I trashed them.

Yes, I do read the Christian bible.  It's among the most insightful books I've ever come across but I don't necessarily believe everything.  If you do, then that's your choice, Lorenzo.  Don't bombard me with them because I really don't care.  Nothing you say will influence me in any substantial manner.  I don't even know who you are.  If I did, it wouldn't matter either way because, much like you with your advocacy, I keep a firm stand with mine and I don't budge for absolutely anyone below my "standards of intelligence".

Your scientific statement on this issue is not useful.  First and foremost because I already know about that.  Second is because we (my partner and I) have abandoned thoughts of reproduction among ourselves.  We are men, alright? We ARE men.  We are aware that it's never going to happen between us.

And telling me that I'm abnormal does not really provoke me intensely.  I know that my genes were designed this way by the biological course of nature.  And who do you Christians say is responsible for this?  God, right?  And does your perspective of God consider to be a sin what makes two people (even of the same sex) happy?  Especially if this happiness is sealed with genuine love?

You say that homosexuality is a sin and your basis of this is the holy bible.  Well, let your basis be your basis.  My basis is mine as well.

I'm not close-minded, though.  I am as dynamic as all human beings normally are.  But given that you are deliberately calling me an "abomination," I would say that you are as "banal" and "feeble" as your shallow-founded arguments.

Keep them coming, Lorenzo.  I would never care.  You are wasting your time trying to tell me things that I am completely aware about.  The fact is that I don't really care... at all.

Let us end this argument, Lorenzo.  Please stop trying to convince me that homosexuality is a sin and that it is an abominable thing.  Nothing you say or do will convince me of this because in my eyes, you are nobody.  I do not recognize you in any significant way.  I do not regard you any more than how I regard every candle vendor at St. Joseph's Cathedral (whom I respect as human beings, by the way), any mendicant at the port of Tagbilaran City or any cashier at BQ or ICM.  To me, you are no one so don't try imposing on me.

Thank you.  Have a nice life.


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Don't take it personally, Bon. It seems to me that you tend to take things too personally. It is just my own point of view.

Lets not let differences in opinions inhibit dialogue.

It is natural to disagree on things; as no one can change a person's views. Same as you will not change mine and vice versa. :)

We may have differences, but it shouldn't be a reason for us to linger in malcontent for each other. Right?

Welcome to Tubag Bohol! Where minds come and talk and learn from each other.


Colloquially,
Bran Lorenzo


PS. Unlike you, Bon, I don't regard you as a cashier at a mall, or a candle seller, or a port worker. I view you as an equal and a human being. 

All Glory and Praise to the Lord.

Even if you don't respect me Bon, and even if you harbor ill feelings, I will not reiterate the same feelings. I wish you a good life, and a sound mind. :)

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« Reply #71 on: July 03, 2008, 03:24:15 am »
Lets get back to topic. Please.


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« Reply #72 on: July 03, 2008, 06:25:57 am »
Lets get back to topic. Please.


Hello Pare! Kumusta?

I have always respected your point of view since from the start knowing you here in TB.  I've been reading the hot discussions in this interesting thread but some biblical citations makes me confused.

I have a question to you since you are a bible expert.  I had read in one of your comments that phrase: "The act of homosexuality is a SIN! Would you be kind enough to elaborate and explain clearly WHY IT IS CONSIDERED AS A SIN in which connection?  I am interested to know this. Thanks.

As I understand: GOD created us equal and he ordered us... "Go to the World and multiply" (As what the Pinoys considered obedient enough).  As to my poor understanding: Since the homosexuals have no possibility to multipy..... are they sinners? Due to this reasons that they could never follow what God said? If our Almighty God loves us all whom he molded.... Why and into what basics he will neglect some (Bayots) of his own creatures?  Sorry dear God!...Is this not an art of cheating from our Lord?  ???

In my own opinion....mas sala pang dako ang siging panganak ug daghan unya way ika-pakaon kay sa mga boutan nga  b***t (dili pod tanan ..like we heteros)  nga mang-adopt ug mga gisalikway nga pobreng bata gikan sa mga ginikanan nga masunoron sa sugo sa Diyos.

Pare....what I think there are other mortal sins which need more our attention rather than telling someone who couragely outing himself  at the age of 18 who more or less only need our respect as a person.  And I am happy to have him here....let TB Family be more colorful!

We welcome all from different categories as soon as they are called human, right?

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« Reply #73 on: July 03, 2008, 06:45:23 am »
We have freedom of choice, i think everyone deserves to be happy regardless of what
gender they are.

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« Reply #74 on: July 03, 2008, 07:33:22 am »
Hello Pare! Kumusta?

I have always respected your point of view since from the start knowing you here in TB.  I've been reading the hot discussions in this interesting thread but some biblical citations makes me confused.

I have a question to you since you are a bible expert.  I had read in one of your comments that phrase: "The act of homosexuality is a SIN! Would you be kind enough to elaborate and explain clearly WHY IT IS CONSIDERED AS A SIN in which connection?  I am interested to know this. Thanks.

As I understand: GOD created us equal and he ordered us... "Go to the World and multiply" (As what the Pinoys considered obedient enough).  As to my poor understanding: Since the homosexuals have no possibility to multipy..... are they sinners? Due to this reasons that they could never follow what God said? If our Almighty God loves us all whom he molded.... Why and into what basics he will neglect some (Bayots) of his own creatures?  Sorry dear God!...Is this not an art of cheating from our Lord?  ???

In my own opinion....mas sala pang dako ang siging panganak ug daghan unya way ika-pakaon kay sa mga boutan nga  b***t (dili pod tanan ..like we heteros)  nga mang-adopt ug mga gisalikway nga pobreng bata gikan sa mga ginikanan nga masunoron sa sugo sa Diyos.

Pare....what I think there are other mortal sins which need more our attention rather than telling someone who couragely outing himself  at the age of 18 who more or less only need our respect as a person.  And I am happy to have him here....let TB Family be more colorful!

We welcome all from different categories as soon as they are called human, right?

Peace all be with you! 

Pare Bambi,

As much as I read the Bible, I would not say that I am an expert of the Holy Bible. Many of the passages within it still puzzle me as well as titillates the mind. I am a lover of inter-dialogue between theologians in their personal interpretation of biblical passages. Either it be in the Evangelical viewpoint, the Catholic viewpoint or the Orthodox viewpoint. I, like many others, am just a simple beginner in biblical study. One which has been very rewarding, I will admit.

My post regarding homosexuality in biblical passage was not meant to cause tension, but to infer the religious viewpoint on the matter. It is one thing that many of us look into because one cannot deny that many of us look towards scripture for moral understanding, teachings and answers. And I was providing the religious discourse. Since it was Bonbon, himself, who asked in his post in this thread.

Case in point,


But why do the religious institutions have to smite these gay and lesbian couples when they're just going about their business loving each other?  They aren't harming anyone or anything!  Why does there have to be a predefined bracket for human love?  Why do they (religious institutions) feel that they are obliged to take control over what they perceive to be wrong?  Why can't they just swallow reality?  That they don't really have a say in these things!  That these things really do happen!  And that LOVE drives it as much as heterosexual couples--or possibly even more than them!

Furthermore, why do they insist that God despises these things when in fact they are the very institution telling us that God loves unconditionally?  What an outlook!

What do you think?

And as you see, Bonbon was the one who asked the question. 'What do we think'. Wowboholphilippines provided a response, and bonbon responded quite negatively with unecessary profane remarks. It was an honest and simple retort.

I responded because it is within my own heart that compelled me to answer. Bonbon asked a sincere question and looking for other view points. I provided the specific biblical passage that specifically relegates the said topic.

I provided my view point, and provided a primary source to support the view point. It was responded by Bonbon's rather 'hostile' remarks that were unnecessary. And the things that I pointed out in previous posts regarding the neurological condition is fact.

However, instead of just accepting and acquiescing the opinion of others, which he asked for in the first place. He responded quite nefariously after reading something that does not conform to his ideology. Whatsoever it may be.

To me, that is very bad debate tactic and very mundane dialogue etiquette. There is no need to use profane words to convey a point. One can still argue and debate civilly. At least that way it motivates and instills a camaraderie in debate. Instead we see the antithesis.

Pareng Bambi, it is written in scripture that the act of homosexuality is a sin. In the catholic version of the bible, the presbyterian, the king james version, the new american version, the methodist version, etc.

The Bible consistently tells us that homosexual activity is a sin (Genesis 19:1-13; Leviticus 18:22; Romans 1:26-27; 1 Corinthians 6:9). However, the Bible does not describe homosexuality as a “greater” sin than any other. All sin is offensive to God. Homosexuality is just one of the many things listed in 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 that will keep a person from the kingdom of God. According to the Bible, God’s forgiveness is just as available to a homosexual as it is to an adulterer, idol worshipper, murderer, thief, etc. God also promises the strength for victory over sin, including homosexuality, to all those who will believe in Jesus Christ for their salvation (1 Corinthians 6:11; 2 Corinthians 5:17).

I invite you Pare to read the verses that I mentioned, and meditate on its teachings.

Note that I am merely answering the religious question that Bonbon asked. He asked and it was given.


It was an honest question, which he asked for. And was already, by the nature of the question, religiously based.




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« Reply #75 on: July 03, 2008, 07:40:35 am »
Pareng Bambi,

By no means am I against individuals who are gay, lesbian, bisexual, transgender. Absolutely Not! I have some friends who are gay. We are all equally human, equally loved by God. All of us are sinners. We all sin, either it be in malcontent, anger, jealousy, pride, swearing, homosexual acts, stealing, conniving, blasphemy, etc.

There is a saying that goes “Hate the sin, but love the sinner,” and that applies to homosexuals as well.   

Do I believe that there is salvation for homosexuals? Of course! Do I believe that the Lord our God looks at homosexuals any less? Of course not! Our God is a loving God. He forgives even the multitudes of sins.

That does not mitigate the fact that it is written in scripture that the act of homosexuality is a sin.

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« Reply #76 on: July 03, 2008, 08:11:46 am »
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« Reply #77 on: July 03, 2008, 09:47:28 am »
maskin gamay pa na nga sin, sin lang gihapon. to the eyes of God who is Justice, Righteous, sin is a sin.

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« Reply #78 on: July 03, 2008, 09:51:30 am »
this world is full of negativity...

Be simple. Allow no man to judge you, not even yourself, for you cannot judge God.

Do not allow the unfounded belief in demons to block your communion with God.

God does not create the adversities in life. By your own choice they exist to aid in your perfection.

God allows each person the opportunity for perfection, whether you need one life or a hundred lives to reach your level of perfection.

believes that God is all loving. To be consistent with this love, we must have a means to correct our errors. For the path to God is harsh and varied, and we will stumble along the way. An all loving God will account for such weakness and assist in making us whole. God is Justice and Righteous so God will correct us in our mistakes.



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« Reply #79 on: July 03, 2008, 10:10:47 am »
this world is full of negativity...

Be simple. Allow no man to judge you, not even yourself, for you cannot judge God.

Do not allow the unfounded belief in demons to block your communion with God.

God does not create the adversities in life. By your own choice they exist to aid in your perfection.

God allows each person the opportunity for perfection, whether you need one life or a hundred lives to reach your level of perfection.

believes that God is all loving. To be consistent with this love, we must have a means to correct our errors. For the path to God is harsh and varied, and we will stumble along the way. An all loving God will account for such weakness and assist in making us whole. God is Justice and Righteous so God will correct us in our mistakes.



I am overtaken by tears in reading this post, Leo. So very true, my dear friend. So very true.

maskin gamay pa na nga sin, sin lang gihapon. to the eyes of God who is Justice, Righteous, sin is a sin.

Amen, Amen, I say Amen unto you.

All Glory and Praise to the Throne of the Most High! Who is Love. Whose graces and mercies are infinite.

Amen!

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