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« on: June 27, 2008, 11:45:45 AM »
Being raised in a heavily conservative Roman Catholic environment has certainly become a hindrance for homosexual couples...  Don't you think so, too?

Human as they are, members of the LGBT community are capable of genuine love that stretches miles beyond the typical perception of the general public.  They have the same basic needs that every other human being has.  And one of these is to love and be loved in return.

But why do the religious institutions have to smite these gay and lesbian couples when they're just going about their business loving each other?  They aren't harming anyone or anything!  Why does there have to be a predefined bracket for human love?  Why do they (religious institutions) feel that they are obliged to take control over what they perceive to be wrong?  Why can't they just swallow reality?  That they don't really have a say in these things!  That these things really do happen!  And that LOVE drives it as much as heterosexual couples--or possibly even more than them!

Furthermore, why do they insist that God despises these things when in fact they are the very institution telling us that God loves unconditionally?  What an outlook!

What do you think?

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« Reply #1 on: June 27, 2008, 01:33:47 PM »
welcome to TB bonbonquest!

To the above-subject....I have no problem with it. Have  good homosexual friends.  Every individual has the right path to follow and he/she can freely decide which/what kind of life he must have to live which makes him happy and satisfied. Live life without if and buts.....life is too short anyway.


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« Reply #2 on: June 27, 2008, 02:50:22 PM »

yeah!... exactly what I'm talking about... thanks sa response...

and thanks for the welcome...  ;D

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« Reply #3 on: June 27, 2008, 02:57:55 PM »
welcome here Bonbon, i do agree with your idea..coz i have friends and relatives with that same feelings too..congrats ha!

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« Reply #4 on: June 27, 2008, 03:13:33 PM »

thanks for agreeing... it's not my idea, though... it's a shared feeling namo tanan sa community... the feeling has been around since time in memoriam bya... heheh!


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« Reply #5 on: July 01, 2008, 08:12:48 AM »
God loves unconditionally[/b]?  What an outlook!

What do you think?

Bonbon,

I stand quite moderately in this though I must admit that I will lean towards the conservative view. I have friends in college who are gay and lesbian, and I have developed a sense of respect and brotherly-love for them. I know one Filipino individual named JC who I've regarded as a 'kapatid'.

I respect humans, despite their sexual preferences, their race, ethnicity, political leaning. As human beings we are entitled to that basic right; and understanding of our multi-ethnicities, and different ways of life is key to symbiosis.

Though I respect the person, that does not mean that I condone and accept the 'ACT' of homosexuality.

It is taught to us through scripture as a grievous sin. There is a direct reference to this in scripture:

"You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination."

-Lev. 18:22

"Or do you not know that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, 10nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, shall inherit the kingdom of God."
-1 Cor. 6:9-10

"For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, 27and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error. 28And just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God any longer, God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do those things which are not proper."
-Rom. 1:26-28

Bonbon, God does love UNCONDITIONALLY. However, there are acts referred in scripture that are abominable sins in the eyes of our Lord. Pray tell me you do know the history of Sodom and Gomorahh? And the justice that was dealt on these two sister cities?

My view on this is that we should love and respect our fellow human beings. Either they be Christian or not, straight or not. The ACT of homosexuality is a sin. And like any other sin, should be repented. It is like any sins in the eyes of God. You are Catholic and a Christian. You should already know this.

This is just my view.
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« Reply #6 on: July 01, 2008, 08:15:34 AM »
Bon, i have no problem with that.

Dili ko mo tuo nga ang Ginoo dili mo dawat nimo sa langit kay ikaw mao na!

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« Reply #7 on: July 01, 2008, 08:28:44 AM »
Excessive Lust is of the Devil. And such acts will lead to perdition. This is why we have instances of pedophelia, rape, and murder-rapes.

Uncontrolled, and tormented by rampaging Lust.






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« Reply #8 on: July 01, 2008, 08:30:00 AM »
Wa jod koy problema.Bisan akong anak mabading pa,basta happy siya I will support him.
Ang importante para nako is to be me and live happily.Kung unsa siya it doesn't matter.
I love gays,and I have friends nga gays nga namiss nako.Musta na kaha sila?

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« Reply #9 on: July 01, 2008, 08:44:28 AM »
Naa may straight people nga excessive ang ilang lust as in biagon na jud kaajo mang rape naman lang gani, plus tan-aw ug porn para mag self help or whatever, dili baja ang bajut dautan ba. There are many bajut nga usa ra jud ilang partner, naniguwang naman lang gani sila. Its just so happen nga dili nila ma take ang opposite sex.

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« Reply #10 on: July 01, 2008, 08:52:28 AM »
Yes, you are very right, 'te.

Carnal lust is a sin that any human being commits. Christian or not. Gay or straight.

In my faith, it is taught that the act of Homosexuality is a sin, however, just because one is homosexual does not mean that that individual is lesser in the eyes of God. Salvation has been secured through the death of Christ Jesus on the Cross. His death on the cross has conquered the power of Satan on Earth. Yes, homosexuality is an abominable sin in scripture, but so is murder, theft, drunkard-ways, pride, anger, jealousy etc.

The point is, we are all sinful and imperfect in the eyes of the Father.

But salvation is guaranteed to us. If we believe in the Christ, In His Father, the miracles of Jesus, the teachings of scripture and the innate need to repent our sins.

This is what is meant by the UNCONDITIONAL love of our God. That he even looks past the MULTITUDE of Sins.

As it is said,

"The LORD is slow to anger and abundant in lovingkindness, forgiving iniquity and transgression; but He will by no means clear the guilty, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and the fourth generations."
-Numbers 14:18

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« Reply #11 on: July 01, 2008, 08:53:02 AM »
Korek dear.Wa man na tuyu-a nila nga mabajot pod.Akong inanak kay nabajot jod siya,I knew it when he was just 6 years old kay lahi na iyang lihok,now he's 14.Excited na hinoon ko nga maghimo ug parlor para niya.Oy malibre na jod ko ug pa beauty.
I have a wonderful time with my gay friends,mga si-aw man sila.Kanang mga lust nga giingon depende na sa tawo na.Dunay mga dagkong tawo kunuhay nga mga hangol sa sex nga mang rape naman gani mao nay di dawaton sa katilingban.


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« Reply #12 on: July 01, 2008, 08:57:24 AM »
Now i will give you a situation, My best gay friend was very religious, (my bible study buddy and room mate) and yes he confided me nga he tried not to be gay pero dili jud nija mahimo. He is very generous and support all the churches kay ma datung man lagi sha and i know he is sincere when he gives. For me he is almost a perfect person except his being a gay.

Now i was thinking sa ijang ka buotan, do you think God wont allow him to heaven if he dies? I dont believe so. If it does then i dont want  go to heaven too...

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« Reply #13 on: July 01, 2008, 08:58:36 AM »



Korek jud ka Aya dear.

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« Reply #14 on: July 01, 2008, 09:02:45 AM »

That is his own cross that he bears, 'te.

From the way you portray your friend, he seems like a very godly individual. My point here is that everyone sins. I sin, you sin, everyone in this world sins. No one is exempt. Despite the 'act' of homosexuality being a sin in Scripture, I believe that the Lord looks past our sins if we have strong faith. If we LOVE truly and absolutely. And recognize our own sins.

Remember, even the Lord took in Cornelius, a former Roman pagan who had faith in Christ.

Its all about Faith.


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« Reply #15 on: July 01, 2008, 09:04:45 AM »
Tinuod jud Dodong, he is the kindest and nicest gay person i have ever met, honest, sorry mga gay friends, wala ni dapig-dapig, but he is to me like a saint pero bajut lang jud sha...

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« Reply #16 on: July 01, 2008, 09:13:30 AM »
daghan man gi punish ang Ginoo sa una, dili lang man sodom ang gomorra, even then ang lust nag katibulaag dili lang kabajutan! naa man na sa history ang mga lustful acts nga ginabuhat sa straight people.

i really dont know nga ug bajud na ang hisgutan lust dayun ang naa sa huna huna2x sa mga tawo. Para nako ang mga bajut sa una nagka halab-halab ug laki kay gina did-an sila. so mo grab jud sila sa oppurtunity when theres a chance, mao nga mamiga jud sila ug maajo. Pero ug ang bible gihimo pa na karong panahona, i think dili na na sha sala para sa Ginoo.

OT: nag jama jama daw ko ingon akong banana! ahahhahah My husband is a very Catholic Polish Native Indian American! wa sha say about bajut! zipped sha oi!

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« Reply #17 on: July 01, 2008, 09:16:05 AM »
I'll tell you something 'te.

I have a very good friend in college who is Filipino. His name is JC; and has been my good friend since I was a freshman in college. We are so good friends that we call each other 'Kapatid' or 'Pare'.

He is a very devout Catholic, 'te. When we had Catholic Mass in the college chapel, I would always go to mass with Bryan, Don and JC. All 4 of us would go to dinner first at 6PM then to mass at 7:30 PM.

I believe that though JC's acts of homosexuality is a SIN. But is no more different to the sins that I and many individuals of faith are guilty of. But I know through conversations with JC and several other students of faith that we have been touched by the power of the Holy Spirit's grace.

For if we had not been, then why would we be compelled to come to church on a weekly basis? Why would we be singing his praises in mass and confessing our sins? Right?

In my belief, it is important for ALL of us to recognize our faults. and all OUR sins.


This is the UNCONDITIONAL LOVE of our Lord our God. :)


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« Reply #18 on: July 01, 2008, 10:04:59 AM »
"You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination." [/i]
-Lev. 18:22

"Or do you not know that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, 10nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, shall inherit the kingdom of God."
-1 Cor. 6:9-10

"For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, 27and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error. 28And just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God any longer, God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do those things which are not proper."
-Rom. 1:26-28

Bonbon, God does love UNCONDITIONALLY. However, there are acts referred in scripture that are abominable sins in the eyes of our Lord. Pray tell me you do know the history of Sodom and Gomorahh? And the justice that was dealt on these two sister cities?

My view on this is that we should love and respect our fellow human beings. Either they be Christian or not, straight or not. The ACT of homosexuality is a sin. And like any other sin, should be repented. It is like any sins in the eyes of God. You are Catholic and a Christian. You should already know this.

This is just my view.


Ok, I respect your view.  But I do not necessarily believe it.  I will not argue with you either unless you argue using your OWN opinion system not using words from the bible.

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« Reply #19 on: July 01, 2008, 10:06:58 AM »

Belle, this is precisely what I was trying to say... The God i believe in loves everyone unconditionally regardless or whatever or whoever we are...



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