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« Reply #60 on: March 30, 2008, 05:45:38 AM »
tanggala at your own risk...for what purpose ba naa tay moderator dire? di ba para anang mga situations like that?
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« Reply #61 on: March 30, 2008, 05:49:27 AM »



I was only thinking pero it looks okay man! 

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« Reply #62 on: March 30, 2008, 05:50:34 AM »
Nope, I removed it.  It was so disrespectful. 
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« Reply #63 on: March 30, 2008, 05:51:41 AM »
aw wala na diay?

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« Reply #64 on: March 30, 2008, 05:52:22 AM »

aha! loyalist jud lage diay ka ni ate glow ha!


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« Reply #66 on: March 30, 2008, 07:09:50 AM »
hahahahha!

Huy para walay samok akoy mo lansar sunod Election!

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« Reply #67 on: March 30, 2008, 07:16:11 AM »
bwa- ha ha ha common sense lang yon, Mostly sa mga tao sa Pilipinas, naghulat lang nga taga-an ug bugas sa atong gobyerno, naghulat nga ma barato ug balik ang mga paliton mga tapulan. Bisan pa siguro ug si George Bush ang ma Presidente sa Phil. dili na mabarato ug balik ang mga paliton.


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« Reply #68 on: March 30, 2008, 07:18:20 AM »
korek Ash, ning mahal man gani kaajo ang GAS diri nga naa tay daghang datung, sa Pinas pa nga daghang bayronon?

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« Reply #69 on: March 30, 2008, 07:28:43 AM »
I must disagree with some of the consensus in here. The country, overall, is progressing under the administration of Arroyo. You cannot place all the blame on the President for the rampant corruption that happens on the provincial level, it is a phenomenon that was already in place before our time. Corruption was already in place even before the rise of Marcos; where warlordry as well as corruption and rampant political killings took place.

President Arroyo is the best leader that this country needs right now. Who can do a better job? Don't tell me FPJ would have done a better job, the man was not even educated in political science aside from having been friends with Erap and high profile actor-politicians.

Let me tell you about President Arroyo, this woman attended her undergraduate year in Georgetown University's Walsh School of Foreign Service and was a classmate with President Bill Clinton. She consistently achieved Dean's List in Georgetown, exemplifying her intelligence and work ethic despite being surrounded by male colleagues.  She then attended Assumption College and graduated magna cum laude. Then pursued her master's degree in economics at Ateneo University, then her Ph.D in economics at the University of the Philippines. All those who hate her know how smart she is, she is an economist and her policy for this country is nothing but for gradual economic prosperity. What we suffer now will bear fruit in future generations; this is just how economics works.

This woman, is not only intelligent but resound in her policies. More so than any of her counterparts in Manila. She knows how to work the system we have, and unfortunately the system in the Philippines is a corrupt system, you know this and as well as I and the international community knows this.

What has she done for the country?

She has brought economic stability to the country, a surging economy of 7% GNP growth, a rising middle class, brought jobs to the country and made us an IT regional hub, has increased the US-RP relationship in the war against terror, has promoted provincial projects. Countless more. Sorry, but I am not so quick to turn my back on a President that has brought some sort of stability to this country after years of massive corruption, a falling economy, a weak peso, and a terrorist problem in the south. My respects for her in holding her own ground after the mutineers of 2004, of the widespread poor protests. The poor of Manila do not speak for all of the Philippines. What about the rising middle class in the provinces? What about the fact that she has brought more jobs to the Filipino than any other president in the fact? The unemployment rate has decreased under her term, the peso is rising against the dollar and other foreign currencies, we are on a verge of an economic boom.

And now they complain? The passions of a certain group of people SHOULD NOT dictate the politics and welfare of the ENTIRE Republic of the Philippines. Never! Never!

This country needs Arroyo. She has brought progress to this country, on a general scale. And God forbid we have another debilitating revolution that will plunge us into another economic pit. I pray that the President have a clear conscience in guiding this nation, that he strengthens her in this trying of times. That she rises above her accusers, and continue to be a blessing for our country. History will judge her positively for this. I am sure of it. 
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« Reply #70 on: March 30, 2008, 07:39:49 AM »
Insoy Good point and I'm second demotion.

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« Reply #71 on: March 30, 2008, 07:41:01 AM »
Truly, I mean this, the fault needs to be placed on the hypocrites in the Senate and in the Congress. One day they bow before our President when she addresses the nation, the next day they are quick to stab her on the back if a group of uneducated, biased, unemployed people decide to protest.

Most of these protesters do not even understand politics, nor do they understand the difficulties of managing a government that is EXTREMELY  corrupt as that of the Philippines. People complain about how Arroyo is too severe, too strict, too this, too that. What would they want? A president that is soft and deny the fact that we do have political corruption, that the country is in war with communists and muslim extremist? If it were only so easy, dear friends. This is why idealogues don't run nations, they teach; realists and leaders, like Arroyo, run nations. She has to do what she has to do. Can they not see through their eyes that on the general scale, the country is progressing?

I grow so tired of people that complain day and night, even with progress, they still complain. Do they expect bread and butter to be handed to their face and coke and sprite to be fed to their mouths as well? Sorry! The people need to understand that our country is a third world nation, and those that are responsible for most of this wide spread corruption is not the Arroyo administration, but the devious senators, congressmen that take large chunks of pork barelling. Dare I even say that the president is innocent? Nay! Of course she isn't as she has to play the games of politics in order to PROPERLY work our corrupt government that runs in such a system. If she does not, the country will not work.

Do you understand? Its a concept of 'the chicken and the egg' so to say. Only the song that should be sung is "who is corrupt, the president or the entire congress?" Understand?



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Dodong unsaon naman na ron nga di naman gani sha pwede mangalawat, aber? so meaning ang mga tawo raba sa atoa mo tuo raba ug mga pari ug Bishops kay sa politiko? Sus mao jud na akong ingon ni Tiya Gracia nga ang mga tawo gani ug naay mo lead nga istrikto dili ganahan kay di sila ka palagaylay. Karon kay mahimutang naman sad na nga mailisan na si Ate Glow? Kay gi buling bulingan naman sha? Im for Ate Glow baya pero ang nakaapan ang atong mga tawo dili cooperative.

Unsaon naman lang ning among suliran, Kuya Eddie?

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« Reply #73 on: March 30, 2008, 09:41:34 AM »
Ate,

The problem stems to the influence of the Catholic Church in politics. I am against religious interaction in politics, either it be direct or indirect. There must be a clear line that separates both groups, as so long as this establishment continues to operate this way, it will stay the same in the future. Though I am against total secularization of the Philippines, as I do believe that it is important that we retain our christian roots and morality, I do believe that there needs to be laws in place that controls church influence.

For one, Bishop Cruz's interference in a political arena is an example of a clergyma's dereliction to religious duties. His motives are already questionable. I have no qualms with Catholic Doctrine nor am I lambasting the Catholic Church, I just personally believe that there needs to be a separation of both church and state.

Lastly, the main problem in the Philippines is the passions of the people. I am not saying that government becomes completely deaf to the cries of the people, but however government needs to stick to policy and decisions that will benefit the people, not a crowd of individuals with an agenda (protesters).

Take for example the United States, the Congress is targetted by dozens of protesters everyday due to policies on healthcare, military, immigration, taxes, job outsourcing, sexual rights, gender rights, etc. You name it, you find it. However, one notices that in the United States, the government's job is to preserve and protect the sanctity of the Constitution and to maintain the course that our forefathers implemented since the creation of this American Republic almost 3 centuries ago. The passions of the people, though they may go against traditional laws, will change all the time. If government adopts a position to support every single protest, then this country would be plagued with instability and laws that wouldn't be followed due to any protesting of ammendments etc. The administration in power's job is to observe the people, and make decisions for the good of the people, not just the demands of an assembled few (protesters).

The fate of our Republic, to which over 91,000,000 citizens live in, must not be dictated by several thousand protesters. Our citizens elected politicians, educated in the theories of law and economics, to faithfully operate the helms of the nation; NOT a mob of protesters.


Good point of view, Ate Belle.

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« Reply #74 on: March 30, 2008, 11:19:08 AM »
hala naunsa naman ni nga thread oi :(

Mao na lagi ni akong giingon ba nga Religion ang Politics are topics that I wanted to skip as much as I can. I didn't help myself lang gyud mao na naka post ko dayon right from the very beginning of this thread.

Mao rana akong masulti.


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« Reply #75 on: March 30, 2008, 11:40:15 AM »

do you really believe in all these stuffs? i mean theres no doubt she is brilliantly intelligent thats why cheating the presidential election is one of her best strategy. how can you say she's the best best leader the country needs right now when you are living and enjoying most of your life the american way? you dont have any idea how the common filipino suffered under her administration. ask the palengke vendors if the so called 7% rise of GNP has made a difference in their lives? your statistics are all wrong!

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« Reply #76 on: March 30, 2008, 11:54:30 AM »
My relatives live in the Philippines, in Bohol to be specific. I have an uncle who is the Postmaster for Valencia, uncles who work abroad as Engineers and give back to their relatives in the Philippines (Bohol, Pampanga), I have cousins who live in Bohol, and I have aunts in the government, and one aunt who is the Assistant Provincial Director of Bohol.

Talks with them in the phone and with my cousins and uncles have been about how the country is prospering, changes are happening in the Philippines. What you may claim to be regression is seen as progress and positive changes by others.

Additionally, so what if I am in the United States? Do I not have a say on my own beloved homeland? Was I not born in Bohol and raised in the Bisayan way of life? Do I not speak Bol-anon as you do? Do you consider me any less for being overseas and raised in the American Way of life?

Additionally, Marjun, my statistics are from economists in the Philippines and economic think tanks in the United States and abroad.


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« Reply #77 on: March 30, 2008, 12:19:12 PM »
yup! you have wealthy relatives like you! how wud they understand the real score? statistics are only based on the incomes of the few rich businessmen. if you only have a chance to talk to the mountain and village people, they wud say diffirent statistics based on actual


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« Reply #78 on: March 30, 2008, 12:50:53 PM »
I have so many relatives in Bohol.  They are so poor but they were like that when Marcos was the president.  Actually, they didn't know they are poor because that's the life they grow up with.  They go fishing, sell their catch, drink tuba and the would do exactly the same the next day and all these years.  We were much poorer then but we worked so hard.  Our parents couldn't afford to send us to high school and college but we persevered.  We wanted to change the course of our life.  We are not rich now, in fact we still consider ourselves as poor because there are times we can't send our sick to the hospital because we don't have money but we are much better now because of hard work, determination and perseverance and not because we expected the previous presidents of the Philippines and GMA to change the course of our lives.  The masang Pilipino or the tenderas are being used by the politicians as icon of poverty.  These people are working hard to earn a living.  Life is tough but we know that already.  And no one has the right to tell me I don't know how it is to be poor because we have been the poorest of poors.

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« Reply #79 on: March 30, 2008, 01:21:30 PM »
Growing up helping my lola with her drugstore, I've sold a lot of drugs to men from the different barrios nga modayo sa poblacion every Sunday para mamuwang. They spend all their money to buy drugs for their manok para makadaug kuno. A lot of these men also have a fondness for tuba and tabako. And then they complain about their miserable lives. I've told them, if you think your life is miserable, why don't you do something about it? They always reply with, "unsaon man day, dinhi ra gyud kutob akong makab-ot, sa kapobrehon ra gyud ko taman".

It is not a person's fault that he is born poor. However, if he doesn't like being poor, he has it within himself to change his fate. In that case, if he dies poor, that is his fault.

Makalagot ning mga tawo nga mag sige ug reklamo sa ilang ka pobrehon unya mga tapulan, wala'y mga ambisyon. Imbes maningkamot mahaw-as sa kapobrehon, mag bisyo na hinuon...inom tuba, mag tabako, mag sugal...wala'y kuarta ipalit pagkaon unya naay kuarta para sa mga bisyo.

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