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Re: Archbishop refuses to give communion to GMA, first family
« Reply #40 on: March 30, 2008, 12:37:16 am »
Aguy picturi Dear dayun i post sa thread nga collections!

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« Reply #41 on: March 30, 2008, 12:50:41 am »
Lingayen-Dagupan Archbishop Oscar Cruz vowed yesterday not to give holy communion to President Arroyo, members of her family, and other known “sinners” in the country.

Cruz told the Newsmakers Forum held every Wednesday at the Crowne Plaza in Mandaluyong City that he will encourage the Catholic Church leadership, specifically the Catholic Bishops’ Conference of the Philippines (CBCP), not to allow any publicly known sinners like Mrs. Arroyo and members of the First Family to receive communion.

“A publicly known sinner and a good number of them receiving communion in public, I think it is a scandal. I would not give communion to people whom I know as a public sinner. No,” Cruz said when asked if he will give communion to the Arroyos.

Cruz said it pains him very much to see Mrs. Arroyo and the other publicly known sinners ostensibly going to Church every time the Arroyo government is being dragged in controversy, and receiving communion in public.

“In our moral theology, that is a principle. If one gives communion to sinners the Church is scandalized,” Cruz said.

Cruz also admitted that the CBCP is divided over the clamor for Mrs. Arroyo to resign because of monetary considerations.

He said at least eight bishops, including himself, are calling for Mrs. Arroyo to resign because they believe that the Arroyo government has no moral ascendancy to govern because of the rampant corruption involving ranking government officials.

Cruz said that there are also seven bishops who are supporting Mrs. Arroyo, while the majority of the 92 bishops nationwide are neutral.

He said the call of the CBCP for Mrs. Arroyo to allow Commission on Higher Education chairman Romulo Neri to testify before the Senate, abolish Executive Order 464 and to allow the other officials who have knowledge about the national broadband network (NBN) deal to reveal what they know about the scandal, can still change.

“The CBCP’s pronouncement is stagnant and static in terms of socio-economic issues. It can change. How could you just remain silent, quiet and stand still after you say the government is morally corrupt and morally bankrupt? It is not a political but a moral duty of the priests. I looked at that as a moral dimension. Once the politicians are already above the Ten Commandments, I will keep quiet. If politicians are exempted from the Ten Commandments, I will keep quiet. But if politicians are still bound by the Ten Commandments, I will continue to speak. The Church is the soul of the nation,” Cruz said.

Cruz said God is always in favor of those who follow the Ten Commandments.

source: (STAR) By Jose Rodel Clapano

Kini nga pare or Arcbishop. labaw sad ni nga makakasala. unta kung duol man sya sa gino-o i ampo nya nga matarong na ang administration dili kay mo judge sya , Kinsa man sya nga mo judge nga kitang tanan mga makasala man ma pare ka ug ma butakal. Uhm I'm catholic pero what he did is not rigth.

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« Reply #42 on: March 30, 2008, 12:53:44 am »
hala ang heart nato john
take good care of it, he, he

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Re: Archbishop refuses to give communion to GMA, first family
« Reply #43 on: March 30, 2008, 12:54:20 am »
hala ang heart nato john
take good care of it, he, he




Hahaha Yet i was about to say that too!



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Re: Archbishop refuses to give communion to GMA, first family
« Reply #44 on: March 30, 2008, 12:57:25 am »
hala ang heart nato john
take good care of it, he, he

mao bitaw Ms Bell ako lang guipakatawa si
john kay seryoso cja karun.



Hahaha Yet i was about to say that too!



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Re: Archbishop refuses to give communion to GMA, first family
« Reply #45 on: March 30, 2008, 01:01:44 am »
We are all sinners. Bow.

John: didto baya ko Duluth last week. Gipangita tika, nag tago tago man ka.



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Re: Archbishop refuses to give communion to GMA, first family
« Reply #46 on: March 30, 2008, 02:20:56 am »
Pagkalingawa nko basa injong mga posts karong buntaga oi!  Sus, sayuha ba ni nang mata si Bella ug Ethyl na kadlawon naman unta ni nangatulog! hahaha

Thyl, lami bitaw tong San Pedro lechon manok sa Cagayan ba unya pati tong ilang liempo.   ;D

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Re: Archbishop refuses to give communion to GMA, first family
« Reply #47 on: March 30, 2008, 05:10:31 am »
From the Gospel of Jesus Christ (King James Version). Reality Check for the Archbishop.

Two men went up to the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector.
The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, "God, I thank You that I am not like other men - extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this tax collector. I fast twice a week; I give tithes of all that I possess."

And the tax collector, standing afar off, would not so much as raise his eyes to heaven, but beat his breast, saying, "God, be merciful to me a sinner!"

(Jesus said:) I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other; for everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, and he who humbles himself will be exalted.

ate glow is worse than a tax collector and the Pharisee combined

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Re: Archbishop refuses to give communion to GMA, first family
« Reply #48 on: March 30, 2008, 05:13:16 am »
Pasalamat si ate glow wala siya gi excommunicate sa roman catholic church

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Re: Archbishop refuses to give communion to GMA, first family
« Reply #49 on: March 30, 2008, 05:16:34 am »
You cannot be excommunicated unless you commit a travesty that is beyond blasphemy. Excommunication is only for those who publicly denounce church teachings. What has she done that merits her excommunication? All politicians sin, every man, woman and child sins. We are born with sin.

This is all I'm going to say.

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Re: Archbishop refuses to give communion to GMA, first family
« Reply #50 on: March 30, 2008, 05:23:02 am »
We can not let our country to be ruled by a thief...its more than blasphemy when you caused the suffering of many people

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Re: Archbishop refuses to give communion to GMA, first family
« Reply #51 on: March 30, 2008, 05:31:15 am »
I agree with you, Dong!

I admit GMA is unpopular but there are always two sides of the coin.  I remember when GMA was still new in Malacanang after Erap was ousted, the workers were complaining because GMA was so serious in her job and she expected the workers to be serious too.  After she goes to church at 6 a.m. she was there working already.   She was no nonsense. She meant good for her country.  Yes, I don't think she did something to merit all this talk about excommunication.  That is so preposterous! 

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« Reply #52 on: March 30, 2008, 05:33:42 am »
maayo jud ninyo pagkabrainwash sa arroyo administration

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« Reply #53 on: March 30, 2008, 05:37:23 am »
I think I base my judgement on the Archbishop on assuming that he has solid evidence of Arroyo guilt.Thats why I said he is doing the right thing. If the Archbishop  base it on rumors it can be wrong because  you should make a judgement on matter like this base on proven fact.Let us hope that the Archbishop base his decision on the facts of the matter and not personaly disliking the Arroyo family.Dislike and or rumors about someone is not reason for excommunication.

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« Reply #54 on: March 30, 2008, 05:37:39 am »
We can not let our country to be ruled by a thief...its more than blasphemy when you caused the suffering of many people

When Erap stole the coffers of our country, he was tried and found guilty and convicted.  If GMA did that, the court of law will be the judge to that.  Not you or me.  Not the Archbishop. 

The sufferings of our people started from way back during Marcos and Imelda era.  Then Erap.  Did anybody talke about having these people excommunicated? Again, no one is saying GMA or me or anybody is worthy of God's forgiveness.  But we are forgiven.  And again, that is grace.

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« Reply #55 on: March 30, 2008, 05:38:37 am »
this is all i can say to the arroyo administration...

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« Reply #56 on: March 30, 2008, 05:39:42 am »
maayo jud ninyo pagkabrainwash sa arroyo administration

hahahah.  How is it being brainwashed by the Arroyo administration?  Sige, peace be with you, slackware!

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« Reply #57 on: March 30, 2008, 05:41:53 am »
We can not let our country to be ruled by a thief...its more than blasphemy when you caused the suffering of many people

When Erap stole the coffers of our country, he was tried and found guilty and convicted.  If GMA did that, the court of law will be the judge to that.  Not you or me.  Not the Archbishop. 

The sufferings of our people started from way back during Marcos and Imelda era.  Then Erap.  Did anybody talke about having these people excommunicated? Again, no one is saying GMA or me or anybody is worthy of God's forgiveness.  But we are forgiven.  And again, that is grace.

mas grabe ang sufferings karon sa time ni arroyo...

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« Reply #58 on: March 30, 2008, 05:42:51 am »
maayo jud ninyo pagkabrainwash sa arroyo administration

hahahah.  How is it being brainwashed by the Arroyo administration?  Sige, peace be with you, slackware!

it seems that you're a devoted loyalist of ate glow aka the 4'11" menace...

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« Reply #59 on: March 30, 2008, 05:43:21 am »
Taym ako raba mo moderate ani...

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« Reply #60 on: March 30, 2008, 05:45:38 am »
tanggala at your own risk...for what purpose ba naa tay moderator dire? di ba para anang mga situations like that?

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« Reply #61 on: March 30, 2008, 05:49:27 am »
tanggala at your own risk...for what purpose ba naa tay moderator dire? di ba para anang mga situations like that?



I was only thinking pero it looks okay man! 

kamot raman na sha!

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« Reply #62 on: March 30, 2008, 05:50:34 am »
Nope, I removed it.  It was so disrespectful. 

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« Reply #64 on: March 30, 2008, 05:52:22 am »
Nope, I removed it.  It was so disrespectful. 

aha! loyalist jud lage diay ka ni ate glow ha!

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« Reply #66 on: March 30, 2008, 07:09:50 am »
hahahahha!

Huy para walay samok akoy mo lansar sunod Election!

tabangi ko ninyo ha? tabangi'g duot!

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di bitaw ko oi kay di pa jud na mo prosper atong nasud bisan pila pa ka Presidente gikan karon.

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« Reply #67 on: March 30, 2008, 07:16:11 am »
bwa- ha ha ha common sense lang yon, Mostly sa mga tao sa Pilipinas, naghulat lang nga taga-an ug bugas sa atong gobyerno, naghulat nga ma barato ug balik ang mga paliton mga tapulan. Bisan pa siguro ug si George Bush ang ma Presidente sa Phil. dili na mabarato ug balik ang mga paliton.

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« Reply #68 on: March 30, 2008, 07:18:20 am »
korek Ash, ning mahal man gani kaajo ang GAS diri nga naa tay daghang datung, sa Pinas pa nga daghang bayronon?

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« Reply #69 on: March 30, 2008, 07:28:43 am »
I must disagree with some of the consensus in here. The country, overall, is progressing under the administration of Arroyo. You cannot place all the blame on the President for the rampant corruption that happens on the provincial level, it is a phenomenon that was already in place before our time. Corruption was already in place even before the rise of Marcos; where warlordry as well as corruption and rampant political killings took place.

President Arroyo is the best leader that this country needs right now. Who can do a better job? Don't tell me FPJ would have done a better job, the man was not even educated in political science aside from having been friends with Erap and high profile actor-politicians.

Let me tell you about President Arroyo, this woman attended her undergraduate year in Georgetown University's Walsh School of Foreign Service and was a classmate with President Bill Clinton. She consistently achieved Dean's List in Georgetown, exemplifying her intelligence and work ethic despite being surrounded by male colleagues.  She then attended Assumption College and graduated magna cum laude. Then pursued her master's degree in economics at Ateneo University, then her Ph.D in economics at the University of the Philippines. All those who hate her know how smart she is, she is an economist and her policy for this country is nothing but for gradual economic prosperity. What we suffer now will bear fruit in future generations; this is just how economics works.

This woman, is not only intelligent but resound in her policies. More so than any of her counterparts in Manila. She knows how to work the system we have, and unfortunately the system in the Philippines is a corrupt system, you know this and as well as I and the international community knows this.

What has she done for the country?

She has brought economic stability to the country, a surging economy of 7% GNP growth, a rising middle class, brought jobs to the country and made us an IT regional hub, has increased the US-RP relationship in the war against terror, has promoted provincial projects. Countless more. Sorry, but I am not so quick to turn my back on a President that has brought some sort of stability to this country after years of massive corruption, a falling economy, a weak peso, and a terrorist problem in the south. My respects for her in holding her own ground after the mutineers of 2004, of the widespread poor protests. The poor of Manila do not speak for all of the Philippines. What about the rising middle class in the provinces? What about the fact that she has brought more jobs to the Filipino than any other president in the fact? The unemployment rate has decreased under her term, the peso is rising against the dollar and other foreign currencies, we are on a verge of an economic boom.

And now they complain? The passions of a certain group of people SHOULD NOT dictate the politics and welfare of the ENTIRE Republic of the Philippines. Never! Never!

This country needs Arroyo. She has brought progress to this country, on a general scale. And God forbid we have another debilitating revolution that will plunge us into another economic pit. I pray that the President have a clear conscience in guiding this nation, that he strengthens her in this trying of times. That she rises above her accusers, and continue to be a blessing for our country. History will judge her positively for this. I am sure of it. 

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« Reply #70 on: March 30, 2008, 07:39:49 am »
Insoy Good point and I'm second demotion.

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« Reply #71 on: March 30, 2008, 07:41:01 am »
Truly, I mean this, the fault needs to be placed on the hypocrites in the Senate and in the Congress. One day they bow before our President when she addresses the nation, the next day they are quick to stab her on the back if a group of uneducated, biased, unemployed people decide to protest.

Most of these protesters do not even understand politics, nor do they understand the difficulties of managing a government that is EXTREMELY  corrupt as that of the Philippines. People complain about how Arroyo is too severe, too strict, too this, too that. What would they want? A president that is soft and deny the fact that we do have political corruption, that the country is in war with communists and muslim extremist? If it were only so easy, dear friends. This is why idealogues don't run nations, they teach; realists and leaders, like Arroyo, run nations. She has to do what she has to do. Can they not see through their eyes that on the general scale, the country is progressing?

I grow so tired of people that complain day and night, even with progress, they still complain. Do they expect bread and butter to be handed to their face and coke and sprite to be fed to their mouths as well? Sorry! The people need to understand that our country is a third world nation, and those that are responsible for most of this wide spread corruption is not the Arroyo administration, but the devious senators, congressmen that take large chunks of pork barelling. Dare I even say that the president is innocent? Nay! Of course she isn't as she has to play the games of politics in order to PROPERLY work our corrupt government that runs in such a system. If she does not, the country will not work.

Do you understand? Its a concept of 'the chicken and the egg' so to say. Only the song that should be sung is "who is corrupt, the president or the entire congress?" Understand?



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Re: Archbishop refuses to give communion to GMA, first family
« Reply #72 on: March 30, 2008, 08:20:54 am »
I must disagree with some of the consensus in here. The country, overall, is progressing under the administration of Arroyo. You cannot place all the blame on the President for the rampant corruption that happens on the provincial level, it is a phenomenon that was already in place before our time. Corruption was already in place even before the rise of Marcos; where warlordry as well as corruption and rampant political killings took place.

President Arroyo is the best leader that this country needs right now. Who can do a better job? Don't tell me FPJ would have done a better job, the man was not even educated in political science aside from having been friends with Erap and high profile actor-politicians.

Let me tell you about President Arroyo, this woman attended her undergraduate year in Georgetown University's Walsh School of Foreign Service and was a classmate with President Bill Clinton. She consistently achieved Dean's List in Georgetown, exemplifying her intelligence and work ethic despite being surrounded by male colleagues.  She then attended Assumption College and graduated magna cum laude. Then pursued her master's degree in economics at Ateneo University, then her Ph.D in economics at the University of the Philippines. All those who hate her know how smart she is, she is an economist and her policy for this country is nothing but for gradual economic prosperity. What we suffer now will bear fruit in future generations; this is just how economics works.

This woman, is not only intelligent but resound in her policies. More so than any of her counterparts in Manila. She knows how to work the system we have, and unfortunately the system in the Philippines is a corrupt system, you know this and as well as I and the international community knows this.

What has she done for the country?

She has brought economic stability to the country, a surging economy of 7% GNP growth, a rising middle class, brought jobs to the country and made us an IT regional hub, has increased the US-RP relationship in the war against terror, has promoted provincial projects. Countless more. Sorry, but I am not so quick to turn my back on a President that has brought some sort of stability to this country after years of massive corruption, a falling economy, a weak peso, and a terrorist problem in the south. My respects for her in holding her own ground after the mutineers of 2004, of the widespread poor protests. The poor of Manila do not speak for all of the Philippines. What about the rising middle class in the provinces? What about the fact that she has brought more jobs to the Filipino than any other president in the fact? The unemployment rate has decreased under her term, the peso is rising against the dollar and other foreign currencies, we are on a verge of an economic boom.

And now they complain? The passions of a certain group of people SHOULD NOT dictate the politics and welfare of the ENTIRE Republic of the Philippines. Never! Never!

This country needs Arroyo. She has brought progress to this country, on a general scale. And God forbid we have another debilitating revolution that will plunge us into another economic pit. I pray that the President have a clear conscience in guiding this nation, that he strengthens her in this trying of times. That she rises above her accusers, and continue to be a blessing for our country. History will judge her positively for this. I am sure of it. 




Dodong unsaon naman na ron nga di naman gani sha pwede mangalawat, aber? so meaning ang mga tawo raba sa atoa mo tuo raba ug mga pari ug Bishops kay sa politiko? Sus mao jud na akong ingon ni Tiya Gracia nga ang mga tawo gani ug naay mo lead nga istrikto dili ganahan kay di sila ka palagaylay. Karon kay mahimutang naman sad na nga mailisan na si Ate Glow? Kay gi buling bulingan naman sha? Im for Ate Glow baya pero ang nakaapan ang atong mga tawo dili cooperative.

Unsaon naman lang ning among suliran, Kuya Eddie?

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Re: Archbishop refuses to give communion to GMA, first family
« Reply #73 on: March 30, 2008, 09:41:34 am »
Ate,

The problem stems to the influence of the Catholic Church in politics. I am against religious interaction in politics, either it be direct or indirect. There must be a clear line that separates both groups, as so long as this establishment continues to operate this way, it will stay the same in the future. Though I am against total secularization of the Philippines, as I do believe that it is important that we retain our christian roots and morality, I do believe that there needs to be laws in place that controls church influence.

For one, Bishop Cruz's interference in a political arena is an example of a clergyma's dereliction to religious duties. His motives are already questionable. I have no qualms with Catholic Doctrine nor am I lambasting the Catholic Church, I just personally believe that there needs to be a separation of both church and state.

Lastly, the main problem in the Philippines is the passions of the people. I am not saying that government becomes completely deaf to the cries of the people, but however government needs to stick to policy and decisions that will benefit the people, not a crowd of individuals with an agenda (protesters).

Take for example the United States, the Congress is targetted by dozens of protesters everyday due to policies on healthcare, military, immigration, taxes, job outsourcing, sexual rights, gender rights, etc. You name it, you find it. However, one notices that in the United States, the government's job is to preserve and protect the sanctity of the Constitution and to maintain the course that our forefathers implemented since the creation of this American Republic almost 3 centuries ago. The passions of the people, though they may go against traditional laws, will change all the time. If government adopts a position to support every single protest, then this country would be plagued with instability and laws that wouldn't be followed due to any protesting of ammendments etc. The administration in power's job is to observe the people, and make decisions for the good of the people, not just the demands of an assembled few (protesters).

The fate of our Republic, to which over 91,000,000 citizens live in, must not be dictated by several thousand protesters. Our citizens elected politicians, educated in the theories of law and economics, to faithfully operate the helms of the nation; NOT a mob of protesters.


Good point of view, Ate Belle.

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Re: Archbishop refuses to give communion to GMA, first family
« Reply #74 on: March 30, 2008, 11:19:08 am »
hala naunsa naman ni nga thread oi :(

Mao na lagi ni akong giingon ba nga Religion ang Politics are topics that I wanted to skip as much as I can. I didn't help myself lang gyud mao na naka post ko dayon right from the very beginning of this thread.

Mao rana akong masulti.

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Re: Archbishop refuses to give communion to GMA, first family
« Reply #75 on: March 30, 2008, 11:40:15 am »
I must disagree with some of the consensus in here. The country, overall, is progressing under the administration of Arroyo. You cannot place all the blame on the President for the rampant corruption that happens on the provincial level, it is a phenomenon that was already in place before our time. Corruption was already in place even before the rise of Marcos; where warlordry as well as corruption and rampant political killings took place.

President Arroyo is the best leader that this country needs right now. Who can do a better job? Don't tell me FPJ would have done a better job, the man was not even educated in political science aside from having been friends with Erap and high profile actor-politicians.

Let me tell you about President Arroyo, this woman attended her undergraduate year in Georgetown University's Walsh School of Foreign Service and was a classmate with President Bill Clinton. She consistently achieved Dean's List in Georgetown, exemplifying her intelligence and work ethic despite being surrounded by male colleagues.  She then attended Assumption College and graduated magna cum laude. Then pursued her master's degree in economics at Ateneo University, then her Ph.D in economics at the University of the Philippines. All those who hate her know how smart she is, she is an economist and her policy for this country is nothing but for gradual economic prosperity. What we suffer now will bear fruit in future generations; this is just how economics works.

This woman, is not only intelligent but resound in her policies. More so than any of her counterparts in Manila. She knows how to work the system we have, and unfortunately the system in the Philippines is a corrupt system, you know this and as well as I and the international community knows this.

What has she done for the country?

She has brought economic stability to the country, a surging economy of 7% GNP growth, a rising middle class, brought jobs to the country and made us an IT regional hub, has increased the US-RP relationship in the war against terror, has promoted provincial projects. Countless more. Sorry, but I am not so quick to turn my back on a President that has brought some sort of stability to this country after years of massive corruption, a falling economy, a weak peso, and a terrorist problem in the south. My respects for her in holding her own ground after the mutineers of 2004, of the widespread poor protests. The poor of Manila do not speak for all of the Philippines. What about the rising middle class in the provinces? What about the fact that she has brought more jobs to the Filipino than any other president in the fact? The unemployment rate has decreased under her term, the peso is rising against the dollar and other foreign currencies, we are on a verge of an economic boom.

And now they complain? The passions of a certain group of people SHOULD NOT dictate the politics and welfare of the ENTIRE Republic of the Philippines. Never! Never!

This country needs Arroyo. She has brought progress to this country, on a general scale. And God forbid we have another debilitating revolution that will plunge us into another economic pit. I pray that the President have a clear conscience in guiding this nation, that he strengthens her in this trying of times. That she rises above her accusers, and continue to be a blessing for our country. History will judge her positively for this. I am sure of it. 

do you really believe in all these stuffs? i mean theres no doubt she is brilliantly intelligent thats why cheating the presidential election is one of her best strategy. how can you say she's the best best leader the country needs right now when you are living and enjoying most of your life the american way? you dont have any idea how the common filipino suffered under her administration. ask the palengke vendors if the so called 7% rise of GNP has made a difference in their lives? your statistics are all wrong!

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Re: Archbishop refuses to give communion to GMA, first family
« Reply #76 on: March 30, 2008, 11:54:30 am »
My relatives live in the Philippines, in Bohol to be specific. I have an uncle who is the Postmaster for Valencia, uncles who work abroad as Engineers and give back to their relatives in the Philippines (Bohol, Pampanga), I have cousins who live in Bohol, and I have aunts in the government, and one aunt who is the Assistant Provincial Director of Bohol.

Talks with them in the phone and with my cousins and uncles have been about how the country is prospering, changes are happening in the Philippines. What you may claim to be regression is seen as progress and positive changes by others.

Additionally, so what if I am in the United States? Do I not have a say on my own beloved homeland? Was I not born in Bohol and raised in the Bisayan way of life? Do I not speak Bol-anon as you do? Do you consider me any less for being overseas and raised in the American Way of life?

Additionally, Marjun, my statistics are from economists in the Philippines and economic think tanks in the United States and abroad.



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Re: Archbishop refuses to give communion to GMA, first family
« Reply #77 on: March 30, 2008, 12:19:12 pm »
My relatives live in the Philippines, in Bohol to be specific. I have an uncle who is the Postmaster for Valencia, uncles who work abroad as Engineers and give back to their relatives in the Philippines (Bohol, Pampanga), I have cousins who live in Bohol, and I have aunts in the government, and one aunt who is the Assistant Provincial Director of Bohol.

Talks with them in the phone and with my cousins and uncles have been about how the country is prospering, changes are happening in the Philippines. What you may claim to be regression is seen as progress and positive changes by others.

Additionally, so what if I am in the United States? Do I not have a say on my own beloved homeland? Was I not born in Bohol and raised in the Bisayan way of life? Do I not speak Bol-anon as you do? Do you consider me any less for being overseas and raised in the American Way of life?

Additionally, Marjun, my statistics are from economists in the Philippines and economic think tanks in the United States and abroad.


yup! you have wealthy relatives like you! how wud they understand the real score? statistics are only based on the incomes of the few rich businessmen. if you only have a chance to talk to the mountain and village people, they wud say diffirent statistics based on actual

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Re: Archbishop refuses to give communion to GMA, first family
« Reply #78 on: March 30, 2008, 12:50:53 pm »
I have so many relatives in Bohol.  They are so poor but they were like that when Marcos was the president.  Actually, they didn't know they are poor because that's the life they grow up with.  They go fishing, sell their catch, drink tuba and the would do exactly the same the next day and all these years.  We were much poorer then but we worked so hard.  Our parents couldn't afford to send us to high school and college but we persevered.  We wanted to change the course of our life.  We are not rich now, in fact we still consider ourselves as poor because there are times we can't send our sick to the hospital because we don't have money but we are much better now because of hard work, determination and perseverance and not because we expected the previous presidents of the Philippines and GMA to change the course of our lives.  The masang Pilipino or the tenderas are being used by the politicians as icon of poverty.  These people are working hard to earn a living.  Life is tough but we know that already.  And no one has the right to tell me I don't know how it is to be poor because we have been the poorest of poors.

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Re: Archbishop refuses to give communion to GMA, first family
« Reply #79 on: March 30, 2008, 01:21:30 pm »
Growing up helping my lola with her drugstore, I've sold a lot of drugs to men from the different barrios nga modayo sa poblacion every Sunday para mamuwang. They spend all their money to buy drugs for their manok para makadaug kuno. A lot of these men also have a fondness for tuba and tabako. And then they complain about their miserable lives. I've told them, if you think your life is miserable, why don't you do something about it? They always reply with, "unsaon man day, dinhi ra gyud kutob akong makab-ot, sa kapobrehon ra gyud ko taman".

It is not a person's fault that he is born poor. However, if he doesn't like being poor, he has it within himself to change his fate. In that case, if he dies poor, that is his fault.

Makalagot ning mga tawo nga mag sige ug reklamo sa ilang ka pobrehon unya mga tapulan, wala'y mga ambisyon. Imbes maningkamot mahaw-as sa kapobrehon, mag bisyo na hinuon...inom tuba, mag tabako, mag sugal...wala'y kuarta ipalit pagkaon unya naay kuarta para sa mga bisyo.

If your life is miserable, it is your own fault. No one else's. Don't blame everything on the government. You are miserable by your own doing.



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