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Re: Welcome benelynne of Japan
« Reply #40 on: November 01, 2007, 11:50:27 AM »
Nan karon da binsi gagamit ta ani gipangutana na kita unsay english ani hahahha.  let's try these words:

batakang balaud - constitution (courtesy of TB member, the brilliant Mr. Way Nada)
kukabildo - my understanding is, it's debate or interaction (kinsay supak ani na translation?)
sandurot - (hala ka da binsi, ikaw gagamit ani!).  My guess is it's like to relate by way of association and communication or to be one with us in our cause for unity, brotherhood and happiness.  (gisobrahan na kana nako para mas mo chada jud ang sandurot!)

Any thoughts, guys?


Oy,,mao diay na ang meaning?..karon pa pod ko makakaplag ana..thanks Grazie

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Re: Welcome benelynne of Japan
« Reply #41 on: November 01, 2007, 11:52:08 AM »
Nan karon da binsi gagamit ta ani gipangutana na kita unsay english ani hahahha.  let's try these words:

batakang balaud - constitution (courtesy of TB member, the brilliant Mr. Way Nada)
kukabildo - my understanding is, it's debate or interaction (kinsay supak ani na translation?)
sandurot - (hala ka da binsi, ikaw gagamit ani!).  My guess is it's like to relate by way of association and communication or to be one with us in our cause for unity, brotherhood and happiness.  (gisobrahan na kana nako para mas mo chada jud ang sandurot!)

Any thoughts, guys?

daghang salamat. gamiton na naku ni kung may higayon. may resistance lang ko gamay sa sandurot kay it rhymes with words in Tagalog that are associated with negative meaning like... harot, haliparot... unsa pa kaha? anyway, kung in-ani kalawom ang tabay sa bohol, what do they care?


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Re: Welcome benelynne of Japan
« Reply #42 on: November 01, 2007, 11:53:43 AM »
Orchids, hulat sa ta naay mo kontra aning akong translation kay basin dili mao ba.

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Re: Welcome benelynne of Japan
« Reply #43 on: November 01, 2007, 10:15:25 PM »
That was correct Grazz.. perfect score ka 'Day. 100/100%

pak-pak-pak-pak ;D

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« Reply #44 on: November 01, 2007, 10:31:25 PM »
Sandurot rhymes with our neighbor's name Kurot in Manga na among palitanan (read utangan) ug salimbagon.

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Re: Welcome benelynne of Japan
« Reply #45 on: November 01, 2007, 10:31:36 PM »
yeheyyyyyyyyyyy ...pakpak pod ko apil..salamat ninyong tanan kay nadugangan na akong banko de Ulo..sus naa jod lagi ta makat-unan sa TB,di ba?

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« Reply #46 on: November 01, 2007, 10:41:42 PM »
Orchids, hulat sa ta naay mo kontra aning akong translation kay basin dili mao ba.

Grazie,

You are very brillant girl as I observed in different aspects.

You need not to wait......as far as I know, it is more than as perfect but could be there is another version because our Bisayan dialect are translated in many words with only one meaning out of it...seems like "Balak in Bisaya" lawom kaajo ug unja maglisod kag tugkad sa hinungdan, di ba?

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« Reply #47 on: November 01, 2007, 10:51:00 PM »
Thanks, ms. bambi!  I am humbled by your words especially coming from one of the respectable ladies of TB. 

Mao lagi na gi ingon ni Belle, ms bambi, na lawum pa sa atabay, lisud tugkaron.  Nakahinumdum na hinuon ko naa mi padi na friend taga Jagna.  Sahay mag lunch out mi with my sister unya mag ampo man kunuhay mi before mag attack sa food, sus kay pirte ka lawom na bisaya, nah ma demonyohan jud oi kay magkatawa man mi kay sahay lagi lisud tukibon unja mo rhyme sa ubang kataw=anan na words.  maayo gani kay di mi lusion, mo ingon lang, in very Jagna accent: sani ba ning mga bajiha ni nga namalandong ta sa grasya atong nadawat!" hahahaah

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Re: Welcome benelynne of Japan
« Reply #48 on: November 01, 2007, 10:52:46 PM »
yeheyyyyyyyyyyy ...pakpak pod ko apil..salamat ninyong tanan kay nadugangan na akong banko de Ulo..sus naa jod lagi ta makat-unan sa TB,di ba?




hahahhahha

Banko-de-Ulo wahahahhahhaha bag-o na pod!

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« Reply #49 on: November 01, 2007, 11:26:29 PM »
Hi Bambi,

Sige, mag-exchange ta ug Japanese ug German lessons. Pero lisod man diri sa TB, sa EB na lang siguro ug madayon puhon.

Japanese is said to be one of the top five difficult languages to learn. You have to memorize at least 1,200 characters (kanji) to be able to read a newspaper article. But the Chinese have to learn about five times more. Pero ang mga Pinoy, dali ra kaayo makat-on. There are about 100,000 Filipinas married to Japanese, and this number is increasing year on year. Would you believe that there are 7,000 Filipinas who marry Japanese every year, at least as of 2006. Since Japanese is the only language spoken, they have to learn it fast, and they do. Spoken lang hinuon. Most are unable to read and write. Wrote about this in http://www.philippinestoday.net/2003/August/onbalance803.htm.

Hi Benelynne,

Specially noteworthy having you here with us in TB, extra additional to the other intillectuals around. I thank you...reiterating it, nevertherless that was a nice mistake in names to my privilege.
On the other hand, thanks also for the abundant informations, it is very interesting and I congratulate you for the good work in regards to the issues and reports Mr. B. T.,Jr.  Sa ato pa, daghan nang ulitawong langgod (antik) sa ato? I just hope that the Pilipino couples wouldn't dare to raise a Family with baby girls only to this connection. Sad to imagine! Considering Japan as one of the richest country, their Family program runs too perfect and it must have to go with economic progress. The Japanese are very industrious folks!  What a fairylike stories about Cherry and Sheila? So, I therefore conclude that education is not the main source in money earning, but inborn intillegence and a non-stop die hard working type takes place and a 100% luck blessings,isn't?.

How I wish you could be there this coming Dec!  One of the members based there would tentatively schedule an EB short before Christmas for those who come for a visit and I am looking forward to meet some nice/interesting Bol-anons.
Here are some Examples:
Es ist sehr schön mit Dir meinen Gedanken and Ideen so tauschen - It is nice to exchange with you my thoughts and ideas.
Ich wünsche Dir und Deinen Familie einen wunderschönen Tag! - I wish you and your Family a wonderful Day!
Vor allem .....Gott seid mit Dr! - Most of all.....God be with you!
Paßt gut auf Dich auf - Take care
Wir hören uns bald! - Hear you soon!
Viele schöne grüße an allen! - Best regards to all!
Yoroshiku Benelynne san! (Why there is san? - Is this address as Mr.?

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« Reply #50 on: November 01, 2007, 11:42:20 PM »
Thanks, Ms. Bambi for quoting Benelynne's earlier post.  I didn't see until now that he had invited us to read his article in Philippines Today. 

I was thinking too about that "san", ms. bambi. I think you are right; that's an address or  like that's our "po" in tagalog.  I can't wait to hear from Benelynne or Orchids. 



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« Reply #51 on: November 02, 2007, 12:02:12 AM »
Hi Benelynne,

I read your column in the link you shared earlier.  Thanks for the insight of what our fellow Filipino mothers in Japan has to deal in regard to the importance of knowing the Japanese language vis a vis their role as mothers. 

I am particulary disturbed in what you said, which I quote:  "I do not know of a Japanese-Filipino child who has progressed beyond high school."  Really? You said that fathers are not expected to be of any help with school assignments. Why is that?  I kind of learn about this too because I have two cousins who are married to Japanese nationals.  I didn't want to say anything but whenever they are on vacation in Tagbilaran, my cousins are doing most of the job with little help from their husbands.  In our term, gakagwatay-gwatay na and yet his husbands are still cool.  Is this just an isolated case or am I making a generalization here?  Is it just a cultural thing? I was thinking Japanese are not yet gender sensitive.  I would rather be wrong. 

 

Thanks a lot!

Orchids, can you share also your view on this matter?
   

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« Reply #52 on: November 03, 2007, 07:51:45 AM »
Hi Benelynne,

I read your column in the link you shared earlier.  Thanks for the insight of what our fellow Filipino mothers in Japan has to deal in regard to the importance of knowing the Japanese language vis a vis their role as mothers. 

I am particulary disturbed in what you said, which I quote:  "I do not know of a Japanese-Filipino child who has progressed beyond high school."  Really? You said that fathers are not expected to be of any help with school assignments. Why is that?  I kind of learn about this too because I have two cousins who are married to Japanese nationals.  I didn't want to say anything but whenever they are on vacation in Tagbilaran, my cousins are doing most of the job with little help from their husbands.  In our term, gakagwatay-gwatay na and yet his husbands are still cool.  Is this just an isolated case or am I making a generalization here?  Is it just a cultural thing? I was thinking Japanese are not yet gender sensitive.  I would rather be wrong. 

 

Thanks a lot!

Orchids, can you share also your view on this matter?
   

Hi grazie,

The social landscape has changed a lot since the burst of the bubble economy in the mid-90s. There are more women in the workforce. But women are still paid less than the men for the same job. In fact, nobody cries foul over job ads that openly pay men more than the women. And Japan still lags most countries in the world in terms of hiring women on the top corporate echelons.

But I see more men carry babies in the public, a sight unimaginable in the economic heydey of Japan. I doubt, however, if more Japanese men share in the household chores. I believe OrchidsNRoses should be able to say more about this.

You see, a good part of gender relations in Japan is embedded in its culture and history. As you probably know, the Japanese script--kanji or character--is a pictograph which contains the meaning or connotation of the word. In really difficult compound characters, you can guess the meaning with accuracy by looking at the component characters.

For example, Japanese women refer to their husband as shujin, whose character means "master" or "lord." Not only that, they attach an honorific go when they speak of him to other people, which literally makes them address their husband as "my lord". (Of course the word is used less deferentially and more casually these days.)

On the other hand, when a Japanese man speaks of his own wife to other people, he uses the word kanai whose character means "the inside of the house." While this character seems to describe and prescribe the role of women inside the house, it also has the positive meaning of the comfort and safety of the home.

When you talk about somebody else's wife, you use the word okusan or okusama (more polite). Interestingly, the character means the back, or the interior. In one character, the Japanese are expressing the saying, "Behind every man's success is a woman." Perhaps, Japanese men really expect their wives to just give them support behind them.

As to history, during Japan's period of high-economic growth in in the 60s (when we in the 40s and late 30s were children and toddlers), men were expected to have their company as their top priority while the women the home as their domain.

So much for now. I hope I have not confused you.

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Re: Welcome benelynne of Japan
« Reply #53 on: November 03, 2007, 11:42:51 AM »
Yes indeed!......and woman should walk behind thier husband.In any events,like,when there's a burial for example,wife should set a bit behind and support her husband.Wife should obey the shujin.Since my husband is the only son in thier family,I had a hard situation living like "Daniel in the lions's den".They all look at me,expecting me to do my obligations.From the words you uttered,you must have to be careful with your words,careful with what you're doing.And my husband listened his family more than his wife'that's me)..All his family came in our house like a guest,and I was too tired with that routine.Since they have close family  tights. And they never thought I will get tired of that thing.I wanted to work even a part timer only but not granted coz' I have to look at my father in-law.
Even after my father in-law died,sisters of my husband still come to us,speaking what they wanted to,even money matters..but I was adviced by my neighbor who's a retired teacher (childless),who always watch over me,that I have the power above them as a wife of thier only brother,they have to respect me and treat me second from thier brother since I'm bringing the name of thier family.Daughters who get married means they already get out from thier house so they have to respect for those who are living in it.Knowing that,I discussed everything with my husband and my husband call me now as the "daikokusama".Before I got this kind of freedom ,I had sufferings,sacrifices,toiled a lot and even made a war against them.That time when I know nothing about Japan,they took advantage of me,my house have open door for them at anytime,but now,they can talk my husband at the "ginkan" just three steeps from the main door and they can't come in without my permission.
My husband doesn't teach me to write and read,I went to a community (church)for free lessons every Sunday,..but I stop then after giving birth to my 3rd baby.If I never went to church to learn,it will be  harder for me to go to school to attend meetings,dealing with the mothers and the teachers. My husband will just say "it's okey,you have excuse coz' you're not a japanese"haha...well it's not funny to set down and listen to the things we don't understand.Japanese men don't help thier wives about households..yes,but not in my home now.And my husband look after my kids assignments.He even fetch our kids when I'm busy.Right now I'm enjoying the give and take relationship between me and my husband.
Mr. Benne did give some informations already,so I just add some from my own life as a sample about our life here in Japan. :)

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« Reply #54 on: November 03, 2007, 01:12:05 PM »
Arigato, Benelynne san and Orchids san!

Benelynne san, you really helped me in understanding a bit of the Japanese culture.  You explained it so well.  Salamat po!

I learned a lot from both your posts. It's very interesting and at first, I have to admit that I was appalled by the set up there but when you said Orchids that you talked to your husband about your living condition and spoke out your concerns, he was willing to compromise and respected your wishes.  You were brave and Filipino women should be brave enough to stand for their own right.  I may sound like a feminist but it's really beyond me that women would allow to be treated like that. 

I understand, Mr. Bene, that this kind of set up is not only in Japan?  In some ways, traditional India and I think Bangladesh and Arab countries too still thought that men are so superior than women that the women's family had to pay dowry to the groom for "passing on" the responsibility of taking care of their daughter.  In Bangladesh, Bengali women has to practically slave for their husbands just like what you and Orchids explained here.  So I supposed they don't watch tv and how the role of men and women has evolved since bygone years?  I am just a curious Grazie so I may sound foolish with all my questions but I just am - well, curious.



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« Reply #55 on: November 03, 2007, 03:12:27 PM »
Arigato, Benelynne san and Orchids san!

Benelynne san, you really helped me in understanding a bit of the Japanese culture.  You explained it so well.  Salamat po!

I learned a lot from both your posts. It's very interesting and at first, I have to admit that I was appalled by the set up there but when you said Orchids that you talked to your husband about your living condition and spoke out your concerns, he was willing to compromise and respected your wishes.  You were brave and Filipino women should be brave enough to stand for their own right.  I may sound like a feminist but it's really beyond me that women would allow to be treated like that. 

I understand, Mr. Bene, that this kind of set up is not only in Japan?  In some ways, traditional India and I think Bangladesh and Arab countries too still thought that men are so superior than women that the women's family had to pay dowry to the groom for "passing on" the responsibility of taking care of their daughter.  In Bangladesh, Bengali women has to practically slave for their husbands just like what you and Orchids explained here.  So I supposed they don't watch tv and how the role of men and women has evolved since bygone years?  I am just a curious Grazie so I may sound foolish with all my questions but I just am - well, curious.

Hi Grazie,

Just like you, I'm an avid student--always trying to learn something new. I appreciate being asked, because in the process of answering your questions, I end up learning new things.

OrchidsNRoses has given us a valuable insight from within. I am married to a Filipina, so I don't have first-hand experience of gender dynamics inside a Japanese home. As a foreigner married to the eldest son, O&R is indeed in an extraordinary situation. Japan still follows primogeniture, in which the eldest son inherits the entire estate of the family. Even if O&R were a Japanese, she would have a hard time with the younger sibling of her spouse who would scrutinize her ability as partner in the maintenance of the estate of their parents. As a foreigner, she is expected to be treated with double suspicion from the younger sibling. You can just imagine the intensity of their fears at the prospect of samurai wealth passing hands to a Dagohoy offspring. (The wealthier the family, the truer this is.)

It is amazing that O&R has surmounted all of those hardships and has been affirmed by the husband as a mainstay of the household. O&R's case is exceptional, and we should credit her Boholana sunny disposition and long suffering.

The rest of the 100,000 or more Filipinas married to Japanese are not as blessed. Going by the statistics of the last five years, close to one half of them will end up in divorce. Most Filipinas I know bear only the critical five years--when they become eligible for permanent residency--and when they get it, they bid their Japanese husbands sayonara as well.


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« Reply #56 on: November 03, 2007, 03:36:33 PM »
I understand, Mr. Bene, that this kind of set up is not only in Japan?  In some ways, traditional India and I think Bangladesh and Arab countries too still thought that men are so superior than women that the women's family had to pay dowry to the groom for "passing on" the responsibility of taking care of their daughter.  In Bangladesh, Bengali women has to practically slave for their husbands just like what you and Orchids explained here.  So I supposed they don't watch tv and how the role of men and women has evolved since bygone years?  I am just a curious Grazie so I may sound foolish with all my questions but I just am - well, curious.

Ironically, feminists have a hushed voice in Japan. Gender inequality here does not have the same dimensions as in the rigid class societies of India and Bangladesh. In fact, practices of outright oppression or discrimination of the female by the male are almost nil. There is a sense of happy consensus in the socially designated roles of men and women.

I don't know about O&R, but in most Japanese homes, the wife holds the pursestrings. While her role is certainly relegated to the household, the Japanese woman rules it like a kingdom. She has the greater influence in decisions concerning money and children. No, she is not a hogtied slave. The average Japanese woman is a fashionable consumer--the most lucrative market for European signature products. Her daily routine maybe limited to the four walls of the home, but during vacation time, she is allowed by her husband to trot the globe, making the average Japanese woman the most well-traveled among her peers in the world.


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« Reply #57 on: November 03, 2007, 11:12:28 PM »
Benelyne and Grazzy this is getting very interesting mental intercourse (according to GEC) but im learning from these posts a lot...thank you guys...some of my questions are anwered...

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