Can we tolerate a gay marriage in our country?

[Lorenzo]

that's true, WarWick, everybody deserves happiness.

too bad, our society is not as simple as it is, where we can just go in and ask what we want or need because we deserve it. like, "i love you, will you marry me?" and there, in split seconds, you have it. for even in the simplest of relationships, acceptance demands time and has to take lots of arguing, making up and letting go. human beings don't grow like other animals. it takes us weeks before we start to walk, and months to talk, years to understand and centuries to form a nation.

however we see this country, the introduction of something not inherent to the culture and norms of this people formed by centuries of religion, conflicts, adaptations, struggles and faith is simply presumptuous. some people should realize we're still a fundamentally heterosexually-oriented community. if this people has to stand against same-sex marriage, it is not to disrespect their orientations as gays and lesbians, or to treat them as disease of the society. it is for me to protect the long-held traditions and institutions of the people, which has been a seminal to their being. i guess this side is where respect should start and not from the other side.

for me it will come. only time can tell. this move should first prove itself as empowering rather than divisive to the fabric of our society. it needs more than education, it needs trust in each other. it should not just point to the vision of happiness; it should also point to the future of mankind and of our future children. good night!

Glacier, let me also add something into perspective that you lightly touched upon. You mentioned about the problems in introducing a foreign concept to a particular conservative society, namely referring to the Philippines in this regard. We have to consider that the conservative aspect bases its stance on natural law and the natural processes; the standard norm. Homosexuality, in this sense, is a deviation of natural law, and is the antithesis of the natural processes.

I will use an analogy: the muscle contractility phenomenon. Actin and Myosin heads will bond, allowing contraction and then release, which is powered by ATP breakdown (adenosine tri-phosphate). Two different muscle bands are required to fulfill this movement. There is no actin-actin movement, or a myosin-myosin movement. No! There is only actin-myosin.

The same as the human fertilization phenomenon in Embryology. The female egg, which carries an XX set of genetic codes will be fertilized by a male sperm, which carries a genetic codet of XY. An egg cannot be fertilized by an egg, nor can a sperm fertilize a sperm. The latter examples are deviations and improper natural processes that will result in a nill of species offspring procreation and thereby lead in pan-analysis: the degradation and obliteration of an entire species due to failed embryological synthesis in development.

A man, which is a sentient being composed of organ systems, which in itself is composed of organs, which in itself is composed of tissues, which in itself is composed of cells are governed by Natural order. Each cell is composed of micrological organelles, which in turn are composed of ordered ions, which are in turn composed of atoms, which follow an ordered law of positive and negatives. Opposites attract. Negative and positive will attract; and similar charged atoms will repel. Two positives will repel; same as two negatives will repel.

If an atom, which is positive will attract a positive then, this would lead to the disruption and the collapse in the entire organization of all life systems and matter in the entire universe. And to follow the laws of quantum physics and atomic physics it is LAW that two positives will not attract, nor will two negatives attract. Everything is ordered; in the natural world as well as in the universe that this planet is but a minute speck and integral member of.

Think about it that way.

There is an ordered way of things.

God designed everything in order, and according to HIS purpose.



Man, is the only living social animal that has the ability to lie and to deceive himself from accepting TRUTH.
Man has the ability to twist a lie to sound like truth. Again, an effect of the devil's presence in this world.


That said. The Truth will set you free!

[jas4]

di man pod baya tanang pulis, ingon ana. so sayop gihapon ka.

lain pod nimong sayop kay wa ko magkumpara sa Simbahan ug engineers...gakompara kos gitawag nimo nga "alibi"(Ginoo man tingali imong pasabot ana.). sa mga simbahan, ilang "alibi" ning Ginoo. sa engineers, standards of construction. which i said should be appropriately called "gisandigan" sa ilang rason.

peace.

ang standards of construction is dili naman na lalisunon.  pero kaning alibi about ginoo is lalisunon kay ang simbahan nahimbigit man sa daghan mga isyu, labi na sa lawasnung aspeto.

[david]

OT...naapil naman ang ginoo,
       duna koy amigo sa maribojoc katoliko siya, nga duna  siyay ka live-in partner sa ato pa wapa sila makasal unya duna silay anak gamay pa tawon kay lagi medyo galisod pa, sigi pag tigom og kwarta para itinawo sa panahon sa kasal, sigi ni sila og simba o hinimbahon, pero si amigo way swerte nadisgrasya  sa motor gikan sa trabaho patay, ang malas pa gyod kay sa i lubong na di mosugot ang pari nga isod sa simbahan kay lagi naay kaipon wa sila makasal, samot ka malas si amigo kay di pod ipa sod sa sementeryo kay lagi wa makasal, akong pangutana tama ba ang gibuhat sa simbahang katoliko...

[Lorenzo]

May God have mercy on his soul..

[jas4]

OT...naapil naman ang ginoo,
       duna koy amigo sa maribojoc katoliko siya, nga duna  siyay ka live-in partner sa ato pa wapa sila makasal unya duna silay anak gamay pa tawon kay lagi medyo galisod pa, sigi pag tigom og kwarta para itinawo sa panahon sa kasal, sigi ni sila og simba o hinimbahon, pero si amigo way swerte nadisgrasya  sa motor gikan sa trabaho patay, ang malas pa gyod kay sa i lubong na di mosugot ang pari nga isod sa simbahan kay lagi naay kaipon wa sila makasal, samot ka malas si amigo kay di pod ipa sod sa sementeryo kay lagi wa makasal, akong pangutana tama ba ang gibuhat sa simbahang katoliko...

mao nay mga klarong plastik!!!!
bisan kasaduhan pa nato, nidawat ang simbahan sa halad kadtung buhi pa nang mga tawhana...

[lindy]

Sa klarong pagkasulti nga walay perfecto.

[Lorenzo]

OT...naapil naman ang ginoo,
       duna koy amigo sa maribojoc katoliko siya, nga duna  siyay ka live-in partner sa ato pa wapa sila makasal unya duna silay anak gamay pa tawon kay lagi medyo galisod pa, sigi pag tigom og kwarta para itinawo sa panahon sa kasal, sigi ni sila og simba o hinimbahon, pero si amigo way swerte nadisgrasya  sa motor gikan sa trabaho patay, ang malas pa gyod kay sa i lubong na di mosugot ang pari nga isod sa simbahan kay lagi naay kaipon wa sila makasal, samot ka malas si amigo kay di pod ipa sod sa sementeryo kay lagi wa makasal, akong pangutana tama ba ang gibuhat sa simbahang katoliko...

David, your question is outside the phrame of this topic, but a good question nonetheless.
It would be best to address this question to a parish priest or member of the clergy.
Perhaps a member who is also a catholic priest, Fr. Lungay can help us in this query.

Calling POPS (Chicogon)

~~

[david]

David, your question is outside the phrame of this topic, but a good question nonetheless.
It would be best to address this question to a parish priest or member of the clergy.
Perhaps a member who is also a catholic priest, Fr. Lungay can help us in this query.

Calling POPS (Chicogon)

~~

"
naa bitaw pod akong gibutang nga "OT" Out of Topic,  pwede pod ka nga motubag kay murag dool ka raman sa ginoo kay kasagaran sa imong mensahe apil man gud ang ngan sa ginoo...

[hofelina]

Church and state are two separate entities, I am appealing that gay marriage be accepted legally, whatever the church´s view on this, doesn´t matter.

ps
David tinood kini? Unsa man kining pari-a, maoy gadala sa hustisya? I can´t fully comprehend his actions. God is King of Mercy.

[Lorenzo]

OT...naapil naman ang ginoo,
      duna koy amigo sa maribojoc katoliko siya, nga duna  siyay ka live-in partner sa ato pa wapa sila makasal unya duna silay anak gamay pa tawon kay lagi medyo galisod pa, sigi pag tigom og kwarta para itinawo sa panahon sa kasal, sigi ni sila og simba o hinimbahon, pero si amigo way swerte nadisgrasya  sa motor gikan sa trabaho patay, ang malas pa gyod kay sa i lubong na di mosugot ang pari nga isod sa simbahan kay lagi naay kaipon wa sila makasal, samot ka malas si amigo kay di pod ipa sod sa sementeryo kay lagi wa makasal, akong pangutana tama ba ang gibuhat sa simbahang katoliko...

I see a large discrepancy with your inference: your personal anecdote, David.
Namely because you said that your friend who died in an accident was denied a Catholic Burial Mass by a parish priest because your friend was not married. That does not make any sense since you said your friend was a Catholic.
Was your friend a new convert to the Catholic Church but did not have papers to signify that he finished the 3-step process of converting into the Catholic Faith: namely 1) Baptism by water and faith 2) Holy Eucharistic Rite 3) Holy Confirmation.

If your friend did not, then he or she would not be recognized as Catholic, and I can understand the Church's point of view.

Perhaps Fr. Lungay can provide us a clearer answer to this query. I admit I am intrigued to hear his response.

[david]

David, your question is outside the phrame of this topic, but a good question nonetheless.
It would be best to address this question to a parish priest or member of the clergy.
Perhaps a member who is also a catholic priest, Fr. Lungay can help us in this query.

Calling POPS (Chicogon)

~~

tawag pod kag Father ni FR Lungay nga mismo si Lungay motawag nimo og Brother dapat unta son ang itawag nimo...sorry kay ako mismo galibog pod

[Lorenzo]

"
naa bitaw pod akong gibutang nga "OT" Out of Topic,  pwede pod ka nga motubag kay murag dool ka raman sa ginoo kay kasagaran sa imong mensahe apil man gud ang ngan sa ginoo...

I provided my answer. You're right Jesus Christ is a Powerful and Inspirational Presence in My Life.

Justified man ta lagi in JESUS CHRIST WHO IS LORD AND MY SAVIOR.

God Bless You!

[Lorenzo]

tawag pod kag Father ni FR Lungay nga mismo si Lungay motawag nimo og Brother dapat unta son ang itawag nimo...sorry kay ako mismo galibog pod

Ayaw pa libog, bro.

[david]

I see a large discrepancy with your inference: your personal anecdote, David.
Namely because you said that your friend who died in an accident was denied a Catholic Burial Mass by a parish priest because your friend was not married. That does not make any sense since you said your friend was a Catholic.
Was your friend a new convert to the Catholic Church but did not have papers to signify that he finished the 23-step process of converting into the Catholic Faith: namely 1) Baptism by water and faith 2) Holy Eucharistic Rite 3) Holy Confirmation.

If your friend did not, then he or she would not be recognized as Catholic, and I can understand the Church's point of view.

Perhaps Fr. Lungay can provide us a clearer answer to this query. I admit I am intrigued to hear his response.

gikan poa sa among pagka bata katoliko kami, ang maribojochanon halos solidong katoliko, tinood ang panghitabo, nahitabo ni pipila na ka tuig ang nilabay

[david]

ang akong gilibgan ang pagtahod nato og father sa pari, wa ko maglibog sa akong pagtoo sa ginoo

[Lorenzo]

gikan poa sa among pagka bata katoliko kami, ang maribojochanon halos solidong katoliko, tinood ang panghitabo, nahitabo ni pipila na ka tuig ang nilabay

Then we will have to wait to hear Fr. Roel Lungay's position in this matter, since he is an ordained Catholic Priest, would be in better ground to answer your query than any other laity.

Cheers.

[Lorenzo]

ang akong gilibgan ang pagtahod nato og father sa pari, wa ko maglibog sa akong pagtoo sa ginoo

Good man.

[david]

May God have mercy on his soul..

tinood ang hitabo  bai lorenz og ilado sab to siya sa sawang sa marbo kay taga sawang man mi. og anak sab to siya og politiko sa maribojoc

[Lorenzo]

tinood ang hitabo  bai lorenz og ilado sab to siya sa sawang sa marbo kay taga sawang man mi. og anak sab to siya og politiko sa maribojoc

Ampo na lang kanunay para sa imong amigo nga namatay, bro. Ajaw lang pag worry na. Ampo lang...

[david]

Then we will have to wait to hear Fr. Roel Lungay's position in this matter, since he is an ordained Catholic Priest, would be in better ground to answer your query than any other laity.

Cheers.

sorry na OT, di lang ko kamao mohimo og topic. Bia Lorenz akong misis dili katoliko pero sa pagpa kasal namo didto sa pinas ako siyang gipa bunyagan pagka katoliko.

[david]

Ampo na lang kanunay para sa imong amigo nga namatay, bro. Ajaw lang pag worry na. Ampo lang...

salamat bro.

[jas4]

Ampo na lang kanunay para sa imong amigo nga namatay, bro. Ajaw lang pag worry na. Ampo lang...

hahahahaha... naa sad ni sa inyong bibliya???

[Lorenzo]

hahahahaha... naa sad ni sa inyong bibliya???

Absolutely.

See 2 Maccabees Chapter 12

39
On the following day, since the task had now become urgent, Judas and his men went to gather up the bodies of the slain and bury them with their kinsmen in their ancestral tombs.
40
But under the tunic of each of the dead they found amulets sacred to the idols of Jamnia, which the law forbids the Jews to wear. So it was clear to all that this was why these men had been slain.
41
They all therefore praised the ways of the Lord, the just judge who brings to light the things that are hidden.
42
7 Turning to supplication, they prayed that the sinful deed might be fully blotted out. The noble Judas warned the soldiers to keep themselves free from sin, for they had seen with their own eyes what had happened because of the sin of those who had fallen.
43
He then took up a collection among all his soldiers, amounting to two thousand silver drachmas, which he sent to Jerusalem to provide for an expiatory sacrifice. In doing this he acted in a very excellent and noble way, inasmuch as he had the resurrection of the dead in view;
44
for if he were not expecting the fallen to rise again, it would have been useless and foolish to pray for them in death.
45
But if he did this with a view to the splendid reward that awaits those who had gone to rest in godliness, it was a holy and pious thought.
46
Thus he made atonement for the dead that they might be freed from this sin.

[hofelina]

Thanks for this wonderful reply Dong bran.

[jas4]

Absolutely.

See 2 Maccabees Chapter 12

39
On the following day, since the task had now become urgent, Judas and his men went to gather up the bodies of the slain and bury them with their kinsmen in their ancestral tombs.
40
But under the tunic of each of the dead they found amulets sacred to the idols of Jamnia, which the law forbids the Jews to wear. So it was clear to all that this was why these men had been slain.
41
They all therefore praised the ways of the Lord, the just judge who brings to light the things that are hidden.
42
7 Turning to supplication, they prayed that the sinful deed might be fully blotted out. The noble Judas warned the soldiers to keep themselves free from sin, for they had seen with their own eyes what had happened because of the sin of those who had fallen.
43
He then took up a collection among all his soldiers, amounting to two thousand silver drachmas, which he sent to Jerusalem to provide for an expiatory sacrifice. In doing this he acted in a very excellent and noble way, inasmuch as he had the resurrection of the dead in view;
44
for if he were not expecting the fallen to rise again, it would have been useless and foolish to pray for them in death.
45
But if he did this with a view to the splendid reward that awaits those who had gone to rest in godliness, it was a holy and pious thought.
46
Thus he made atonement for the dead that they might be freed from this sin.

mao diay this book is chosen by the catholic church even if it contradicts the rest of the books in other christian group's bible...

hahahahahahaha...

that bible is just another book

[Lorenzo]

Actually, your ignorance in biblical historiography is apparent. It was the Holy Roman Catholic Church and the Early Church Fathers that authored and compiled the Holy Bible, with Divine Guidance from the Holy Spirit. All books that are considered canon books are included in the Catholic Holy Bible, the original bible.

The protestant, Martin Luther, removed 7 canon books that supported the Catholic teaching of Scriptural Doctrine and Sacred Tradition transpired and ushered in Divine Truth. Whereas Martin Luther proposed the concept of Sola Scriptura, which noted that Biblical Doctrine alone was necessary. The 7 books that Martin Luther removed included: Tobit, Judith, 1 Maccabees, 2 Maccabees, Wisdom, Sirach, Baruc as well as parts of Esther and parts of Daniel.

Authority comes in the original work, which was prepared by the Catholic Church. Without the Catholic Church, there would be no Bible, to which, even Martin Luther, himself, admits:

"We are obliged to yield many things to the Catholics – , that they possess the Word of God, which we received from them; otherwise, we should have known nothing at all about it."
---Martin Luther, Commentary on John, Chap 16.

[Lorenzo]

mao diay this book is chosen by the catholic church even if it contradicts the rest of the books in other christian group's bible...

hahahahahahaha...

that bible is just another book

Walay contradiction sa Catholic Church sa other christian denomination groups. Ang Simbahang Katoliko is the primo, the original, bro. Wala yamo before us. Established ang Simbahang Katoliko sa lawas ni Hesu Kristo didto sa Cross.
Gi ingnan ang first santo papa, si Peter, "Not even the gates of hell shall overpower the church."

Bisan nag guera ang protestante sa mga katoliko, wa jud nga guba ang Simbahang Katoliko kai established man ni siya, ang HOLY MOTHER CHURCH, in sanctified by Grace of Jesus Christ. It is infallable.

So, it is correct to say that other christian denominations contradict the Catholic Church's Teachings.
Pero dili ang other way around. he he he.


God Bless you~!

[chicogon]

Unsay blema Bran y man ni pvt message ka? Hmmm... taas-taas man pod tag basahon deri. I have a wedding pa tonight, BRB sa... Please update me. Thanks.

[david]

subaya lang padz, ayaw lang iapil nang tag-as para madali

[Lorenzo]

Unsay blema Bran y man ni pvt message ka? Hmmm... taas-taas man pod tag basahon deri. I have a wedding pa tonight, BRB sa... Please update me. Thanks.

Fr, naay question si David regarding burial kono because he had a friend who died in an accident, however, he and his partner were not married. There was an incident concerning his burial in a Catholic Cemetery.
Do you the specifics regarding any limitations to the provisions of a catholic burial?

Father, attend the wedding first. When you are free, could you please provide as an explanation to this query?

Thank you, Fr. Lungay.

[david]

Fr, naay question si David regarding burial kono because he had a friend who died in an accident, however, he and his partner were not married. There was an incident concerning his burial in a Catholic Cemetery.
Do you the specifics regarding any limitations to the provisions of a catholic burial?

Father, attend the wedding first. When you are free, could you please provide as an explanation to this query?

Thank you, Fr. Lungay.

bro. lorenz dili lang kay sa sementeryo hasta na sa pag sod sa simbahan para unta a misahan, dili pwede

[hofelina]

mahinomdom ko, sugid sa mga katigulangan ang in-ani nga hitabo kadtong naghikog. I think this attitude is already passé, the church has changed a lot, this is not a practice anymore.
Such things will not happen in Germany.

[david]

mahinomdom ko, sugid sa mga katigulangan ang in-ani nga hitabo kadtong naghikog. I think this attitude is already passé, the church has changed a lot, this is not a practice anymore.
Such things will not happen in Germany.

ok manay murag wa koy libog sa maghikog, pero sa akong amigo lahi ang hitabo

[Raquelproud boholana]

David ang nahitabo sa imong amigo either ang pari nag lack siya ug charity sa namatay. I think his reason why he denied funeral mass,burial in consecrated ground kay iyang gi base sa canon 1184 sa catholic church.
Canon 1184 §1. Unless they gave some signs of repentance before death, the following must be deprived of ecclesiastical funerals:
1/ notorious apostates, heretics, and schismatics;
2/ those who chose the cremation of their bodies for reasons contrary to Christian faith;
3/ other manifest sinners who cannot be granted ecclesiastical funerals without public scandal of the faithful.

Gibasihan sa Pari ang number 3 reason pero ang nahitabo iyang gi judge ang imo amigo. Dapat gipaminaw niya ang party sa namatyan. Like you said nagplano imong amigo magpakasal so that is sign nga nag repent gyud siya ug naay good intention pero unsaon gidimalas man. Sobra ra pud ka stict tong pari nga ing refuse niya ug burial.Ang pari nag lack of charity ani mao ni problema.
Pasensya na mura pud ko ug mao nga nagpasabot mag secretary nalang kaha ko ni Father Chicogon ani heheheh. Personal opinion ra ni nako sorry I can't help myself pero hope nalandag lanadagan nako imong pangutana.

[chicogon]

I won't repeat everything here kay taas na ug libog pa jud. Sa tinuod wa sad ko makasabot ngano gibalibaran o guidili pagsud sa simbahan ang maong kaila/amigo ni David, tungod ba lang kay di kasado sa simbahan. Was there a deeper reason? Like, public rejection of the faith? Or personalan ra ba to sa Kura Paroko? Deri sa amo simbahan maski makasasala o gikan sa laing religion dawaton man ug hatagan ug decent funeral service if they request so. The only one (reason) I know dunay negative provision is one nga miembro sa Mason, kay duna na silay sariling funeral arrangement outside the Catholic Church nga medyo wa mouyon ang simbahan hehehe. What it is I really do not know.

[chicogon]

David ang nahitabo sa imong amigo either ang pari nag lack siya ug charity sa namatay. I think his reason why he denied funeral mass,burial in consecrated ground kay iyang gi base sa canon 1184 sa catholic church.
Canon 1184 §1. Unless they gave some signs of repentance before death, the following must be deprived of ecclesiastical funerals:
1/ notorious apostates, heretics, and schismatics;
2/ those who chose the cremation of their bodies for reasons contrary to Christian faith;
3/ other manifest sinners who cannot be granted ecclesiastical funerals without public scandal of the faithful.

Gibasihan sa Pari ang number 3 reason pero ang nahitabo iyang gi judge ang imo amigo. Dapat gipaminaw niya ang party sa namatyan. Like you said nagplano imong amigo magpakasal so that is sign nga nag repent gyud siya ug naay good intention pero unsaon gidimalas man. Sobra ra pud ka stict tong pari nga ing refuse niya ug burial.Ang pari nag lack of charity ani mao ni problema.
Pasensya na mura pud ko ug mao nga nagpasabot mag secretary nalang kaha ko ni Father Chicogon ani heheheh. Personal opinion ra ni nako sorry I can't help myself pero hope nalandag lanadagan nako imong pangutana.

Muangay ko aning imong explanation Raq kay based on Canon Law man jud. That's the extent of Church law. Pero duna sad tay ginatawag nga being "pastoral" o "kalooy" nga ika extend sa nanginahanglan... nga maoy mo stretch sa balaod. Kadungog naman tas giingon sa Ginoo sa Gospels "the sabbath laws are made for man" not the other way around. "Hear, those who have ears" ika nga. Pero naa man say mga tawo nga nagpakabuta ug bungol. Unsaon taman.

[Lorenzo]

I won't repeat everything here kay taas na ug libog pa jud. Sa tinuod wa sad ko makasabot ngano gibalibaran o guidili pagsud sa simbahan ang maong kaila/amigo ni David, tungod ba lang kay di kasado sa simbahan. Was there a deeper reason? Like, public rejection of the faith? Or personalan ra ba to sa Kura Paroko? Deri sa amo simbahan maski makasasala o gikan sa laing religion dawaton man ug hatagan ug decent funeral service if they request so. The only one (reason) I know dunay negative provision is one nga miembro sa Mason, kay duna na silay sariling funeral arrangement outside the Catholic Church nga medyo wa mouyon ang simbahan hehehe. What is it I do not really know pod.

Thanks for the explanation, Fr. Lungay. 

[chicogon]

Thanks for the explanation, Fr. Lungay. 

Who's Fr. Lungay???

[WarWick]

wala bitaw. bisan sa ato. sumala gud sa pinas og nakasamok ba ang mga b***t. mao pa man ganiy nagdala og bibo sa mga coronation ug mga programa. kusog pa man gani mosimba nang uban kay kanato.

ug di man tingali ni ila pagsamok-samok kung nangayo sila og recognition. wa pa lang sila masabti ug di pod sayon dawaton ilang gipangayo.

tungod ba kay ang ilang gipangayo is a force-to-be-reckoned threat to the long-formed and long-guarded core of the society and culture? sometimes changes in the flow of things can open our eyes to the endless possibilities that would have been forever missed otherwise.

But sadly, yes, i agree....it takes time for the world to understand and accept. I just hope it won't take too long for them to give their nod.

Sometimes, when I have to make decisions for myself, and if I want to do something, I don't listen to what the society says about what I should or should not do. I don't have to please them all the time just for me to remain in the crowd.

[WarWick]

pero para sa ako, nganong maglalis pa man ta ani?
enough na man siguro nga nadawat na nato ang ilang pagkasila ug nga girespeto na sila sa katilingban...lisud ipamugos ang unisex marriage coz it would become a war between the church and the homosexual community...dugang-dugang sa kagubot sa kalibutan oi!

pasabta ra gud ko, unsa man rason ani nga mga gays ba nganong gusto nilang makasal sad sila?

--- well, as a heterosexual, tubaga kuno unsa imong rason nganong gusto kang makasal sa imong hinigugma? Your answer might be exactly the same reason why gays want to get married. They just happen to belong in the same sex. And you let that equation alone confuses your mind without even trying to find out firsthand.

[hofelina]

you´re absolutely right Warwick, the main argument here is that the couple will have the same rights as hetero couples and their legal rights and acceptance will regulate their responsibilites to the society.
This is simply a matter of human respect.

[WarWick]

you´re absolutely right Warwick, the main argument here is that the couple will have the same rights as hetero couples and their legal rights and acceptance will regulate their responsibilites to the society.
This is simply a matter of human respect.

naigo gyud nimo, Hofelina. bull-s eye. :*

[WarWick]

although marriage involves in its definition the concept of sex and eroticism, we should not be stereotypical by assuming that gay people want to get married so they could legalize and justify their intercourse. That's a flawed, prejudiced reasoning.

marriage, as what many of us know, extends its definition farther than sex. It's about love, understanding, acceptance, respect, responsibilities, caring each other, and sharing the beauty of life together.

[david]

I won't repeat everything here kay taas na ug libog pa jud. Sa tinuod wa sad ko makasabot ngano gibalibaran o guidili pagsud sa simbahan ang maong kaila/amigo ni David, tungod ba lang kay di kasado sa simbahan. Was there a deeper reason? Like, public rejection of the faith? Or personalan ra ba to sa Kura Paroko? Deri sa amo simbahan maski makasasala o gikan sa laing religion dawaton man ug hatagan ug decent funeral service if they request so. The only one (reason) I know dunay negative provision is one nga miembro sa Mason, kay duna na silay sariling funeral arrangement outside the Catholic Church nga medyo wa mouyon ang simbahan hehehe. What is it I do not really know pod.

pero kadto siya pads nagdako sa pamilyang katoliko, hayaan lang ninyo kay mouli man ko next month mangutana ko unsa pay laing rason, bali kadto siya bilas pod sa akong igsoon nga baje.
pero dihay higayon nga nagpa misa ko sa akong father in law nga namatay nga lain og religion didto sa nederland, unya diha mi sa pinas niadtong panahuna nagbakasyon uban ako misis, gi misahan nila in the name of my father in law, pero sa wa pa sila mo misa  nangutana sila (pari) sa palasyo sa (Tagbilaran) og pwede ba nila misahan ang namatay nga lain ug religion...sa ato pa naa pa diay uban pari nga wa kahibawo sa regulasyon kon pwede ba mo officiate og misa para namatay nga lain og religion.(pamisa ra)
sorry out of topic

[chicogon]

Let me ask you something people (at least the proponents of gay marriage). Why wouldn't proponents of pet lovers ALSO propose to the powers-that-be that they also legalize marrying their pets (e.g. dogs or cats) because many of them, too, can claim it's beyond sex and erotism? Why can't these people claim "human respect" as the underlying reason? Or use that argument that says "why would a heterosexual would want to marry one from the opposite number?" Why not?

Why would your answer be NO? Is it because we can sense something wrong in what I'm proposing? Is it really wrong? Think about it? Animals are just as good (esp. dogs and cats) as many humanoids (hahaha).

Or is it because it just so happen that it's not YET what we (as a society) consider at this point in our civilization as RIGHT? Meaning, it's not a matter or question of "human respect" or what-have-you but a matter of right or wrong. As far as I know, being gay or having gay relationships (worse yet, gay marriage) is not yet ackowledged as something right... at this point at least. Besides the Bible (and for a moment here just forget the Bible) NONE of this world's societies (maybe a few cities like San Francisco, etc) have acknowledged yet that a gay relationship is something normal or right much as they haven't recognize or shall ever legitimized/legalized a marriage between pet owners and pets... for reasons so obvious.

I have lots of friends who are gays and I respect them and enjoy their company... but I have also a religion (you don't have to belong to the one I am part of, you know) that I espoused , respect and follow to the best of my ability and we have what we call a BIBLE, a book we simply believe (without others to theologize it) as inspired by God that serves as guide to right and proper living. That what I hope people would respect us for... when we simply stand by what we believe as right and proper. If you believe or would like to live your life otherwise, I think the the world is big enough for all of us... you can always find your niche somewhere. And good luck to you on that!

Pero sa pagka karon - when our knowledge and understanding are as imperfect as we are - morag subidaon pa jud nang inyong ge propose nga gay marriage, even if most people already give respect to the gays and even enjoy their presence amongst us. I hope they have already passed the stage nga mahibaw-an sa ilang mga amahan kay aron di unja makulatahan (that's the joke part in this). If there's any consolation, you're always welcomed in my world and circle and laugh it all!!!

[david]

ang problema diha sa atoa kay ang mga b***t magbina baje na bastos na kaayo tan-awon, pero diri, di ka kahibawo og b***t ba o tomboy... nederland is the first country that legelize gay marriage

[chicogon]

pero kadto siya pads nagdako sa pamilyang katoliko, hayaan lang ninyo kay mouli man ko next month mangutana ko unsa pay laing rason, bali kadto siya bilas pod sa akong igsoon nga baje.
pero dihay higayon nga nagpa misa ko sa akong father in law nga namatay nga lain og religion didto sa nederland, unya diha mi sa pinas niadtong panahuna nagbakasyon uban ako misis, gi misahan nila in the name of my father in law, pero sa wa pa sila mo misa  nangutana sila (pari) sa palasyo sa (Tagbilaran) og pwede ba nila misahan ang namatay nga lain ug religion...sa ato pa naa pa diay uban pari nga wa kahibawo sa regulasyon kon pwede ba mo officiate og misa para namatay nga lain og religion.(pamisa ra)
sorry out of topic

The funeral mass or even a memorial mass (walay patay nga lawas) is more so for the ones who are left behind than sa patay nga nahingtungdan. Patay na god na, wa na tay mahimo. But the living... they are the ones who need our moral and prayerful support, our love, our compassion, our company, our prayers, bereavement, etc. Mao nay rason nganong misahan sa patay. Kay pwede man pod walay misa, blessing lang sa patay. Depende sa kustombre o sa preference.

Sa tinuod, blessing raman jud na sa patay... igo na na. And the priest would gladly do it for free. Pero usyoso manang uban, pa misahan jud kay lagi tubong katoliko man. Simply said, instead nga mag nap ang pari, injo mang gipukaw ug pamisahon, aw, mao nang mohatag pod ang hingtungdan ug "stipend" or "honorarium" (morag service fee). Mga doktor, nurse, attorney, counselors, etc ra ba diay kahibawo manginabuhi? (LoL). Plus, they have to maintain the Church, too for spiritual service for the many years to come. Ignorance does not pay!  

[david]

ok lang unta og nag hikog, unya balibaran nga isod sa simbahan daghan ang mosabot, pero og ang hinungdan nga di ipasod sa simbahan gumikan lang kay wa makasal...daghan galibog og wa kasabot

[ms da binsi]

ok lang unta og nag hikog, unya balibaran nga isod sa simbahan daghan ang mosabot, pero og ang hinungdan nga di ipasod sa simbahan gumikan lang kay wa makasal...daghan galibog og wa kasabot

thats BULL***T!

[ms da binsi]

--- well, as a heterosexual, tubaga kuno unsa imong rason nganong gusto kang makasal sa imong hinigugma? Your answer might be exactly the same reason why gays want to get married. They just happen to belong in the same sex. And you let that equation alone confuses your mind without even trying to find out firsthand.

*fanned! liked! *

[ms da binsi]

although marriage involves in its definition the concept of sex and eroticism, we should not be stereotypical by assuming that gay people want to get married so they could legalize and justify their intercourse. That's a flawed, prejudiced reasoning.

marriage, as what many of us know, extends its definition farther than sex. It's about love, understanding, acceptance, respect, responsibilities, caring each other, and sharing the beauty of life together.

fanned...

[ms da binsi]

ako ra jud ma sulti, ug bias gani mo, mo affect jud na sa inyung panerbisyo! i dont know if that would work in your life in the long run! ambut lang jud!

ka plastikan, hypocrisy etc etc!

[ms da binsi]

that's true, WarWick, everybody deserves happiness.

too bad, our society is not as simple as it is, where we can just go in and ask what we want or need because we deserve it. like, "i love you, will you marry me?" and there, in split seconds, you have it. for even in the simplest of relationships, acceptance demands time and has to take lots of arguing, making up and letting go. human beings don't grow like other animals. it takes us weeks before we start to walk, and months to talk, years to understand and centuries to form a nation.

however we see this country, the introduction of something not inherent to the culture and norms of this people formed by centuries of religion, conflicts, adaptations, struggles and faith is simply presumptuous. some people should realize we're still a fundamentally heterosexually-oriented community. if this people has to stand against same-sex marriage, it is not to disrespect their orientations as gays and lesbians, or to treat them as disease of the society. it is for me to protect the long-held traditions and institutions of the people, which has been a seminal to their being. i guess this side is where respect should start and not from the other side.

for me it will come. only time can tell. this move should first prove itself as empowering rather than divisive to the fabric of our society. it needs more than education, it needs trust in each other. it should not just point to the vision of happiness; it should also point to the future of mankind and of our future children. good night!

naks! lawom na sad maninglis ni Glacier! hahaha but i do agree!

[chicogon]

This is a very imperfect world we live in. Duna tay mga wishes nga dili gyod tingali itugot, ug duna poy mga damgo nga damgo ra gyod kutob. Ahihihi. I wish we can become more loving, compassionate, respectful, just, peaceful, etc (all positive vibes and virtues) and extend loving hands to the less fortunate/powerless when given the opportunity. At the same time counting and thankful for our own blessings... and remain humble like the truly great ones who lived before us.

[jas4]

ok lang unta og nag hikog, unya balibaran nga isod sa simbahan daghan ang mosabot, pero og ang hinungdan nga di ipasod sa simbahan gumikan lang kay wa makasal...daghan galibog og wa kasabot

simple pakitang tao but deep inside their community, naa sad diay to mga tinaguan.

[Raquelproud boholana]

Lack ra jud ug pagsabot ang pari nga hingtungdan David.Akong pagtoo ani nag avoid siya ug scandal sa ubang faithful unya nahimo jud nuong scandal ni. He already condemn the person. Lisod tugkaron unsa jud ang hunahuna sa pari nga nagrefuse ug funeral mass.

Naay b***t sa amoa sa isla Pangangan namatay unya karon gidala nila sa simbahan kay pamisahan. Diha jud ko mismo paglalis sa pari ug sa silingan sa b***t nga namatay. Kuwang nalang magsinumbagay ang pari ug ang hingtungdan kay lagi gi refuse pud niya dili misahan. Gibiyaan bitaw na sa mga tawo ang lungon sa sulod sa simbahan kay di man jud misahan lagi ni father. Basta tagbaw ug gukod tong ahong amigo nga altar boy oi kay pabalikon ang mga tawo kay misahan na raman ni Father kay sa mabaho pa nuon didto maoy gidangat.

[ms da binsi]

This is a very imperfect world we live in. Duna tay mga wishes nga dili gyod tingali itugot, ug duna poy mga damgo nga damgo ra gyod kutob. Ahihihi. I wish we can become more loving, compassionate, respectful, just, peaceful, etc (all positive vibes and virtues) and extend loving hands to the less fortunate/powerless when given the opportunity. At the same time counting and thankful for our own blessings... and remain humble like the truly great ones who lived before us.

That is why i like you Chicky! you are the one of the most considerate priests/preachers i have ever known. I really really salute you! (dili ni sepsep kay lajo pa ang pasko)

[chicogon]

Lack ra jud ug pagsabot ang pari nga hingtungdan David.Akong pagtoo ani nag avoid siya ug scandal sa ubang faithful unya nahimo jud nuong scandal ni. He already condemn the person. Lisod tugkaron unsa jud ang hunahuna sa pari nga nagrefuse ug funeral mass.

Naay b***t sa amoa sa isla Pangangan namatay unya karon gidala nila sa simbahan kay pamisahan. Diha jud ko mismo paglalis sa pari ug sa silingan sa b***t nga namatay. Kuwang nalang magsinumbagay ang pari ug ang hingtungdan kay lagi gi refuse pud niya dili misahan. Gibiyaan bitaw na sa mga tawo ang lungon sa sulod sa simbahan kay di man jud misahan lagi ni father. Basta tagbaw ug gukod tong ahong amigo nga altar boy oi kay pabalikon ang mga tawo kay misahan na raman ni Father kay sa mabaho pa nuon didto maoy gidangat.

Mao nay giingon Raq "if there's a will, there's a way." Fight for what you believe is your right. Sigon ra na sa lalis. Priests are only human and needless to say, imperfect. Sometimes bookish, sometimes stretchably liberal. At times pastoral, at times pod have a mean streak in them like everybody else, hahaha. Sakto ila gibuhat sa imong silingan, Raq, nga gibiyaan ang lungon sa sulod simbahan. Naa baya na sa bibliya. See Luke 11: 5 ff - The Parable Of a Persistent Friend:

And he said to them, “Which of you shall have a friend, and go to him at midnight and say to him, ‘Friend, lend me three loaves;  6 for a friend of mine has come to me on his journey, and I have nothing to set before him’;  7 and he will answer from within and say, ‘Do not trouble me; the door is now shut, and my children are with me in bed; I cannot rise and give to you’?  8 I say to you, though he will not rise and give to him because he is his friend, yet because of his persistence he will rise and give him as many as he needs.

9 “So I say to you, ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you.  10 For everyone who asks receives, and he who seeks finds, and to him who knocks it will be opened.

[chicogon]

That is why i like you Chicky! you are the one of the most considerate priests/preachers i have ever known. I really really salute you! (dili ni sepsep kay lajo pa ang pasko)

I'm reading Raquel's quote, "We may be surprised at the people we find in heaven. God has a soft spot for sinners. His standards are quite low" (Bishop Desmond Tutu). I sure hope I'll be one of them   Thanks MDB

[Lorenzo]

Mao nay giingon Raq "if there's a will, there's a way." Fight for what you believe is your right. Sigon ra na sa lalis. Priests are only human and needless to say, imperfect. Sometimes bookish, sometimes stretchably liberal. At times pastoral, at times pod have a mean streak in them like everybody else, hahaha. Sakto ila gibuhat sa imong silingan, Raq, nga gibiyaan ang lungon sa sulod simbahan. Naa baya na sa bibliya. See Luke 11: 5 ff - The Parable Of a Persistent Friend:

And he said to them, “Which of you shall have a friend, and go to him at midnight and say to him, ‘Friend, lend me three loaves;  6 for a friend of mine has come to me on his journey, and I have nothing to set before him’;  7 and he will answer from within and say, ‘Do not trouble me; the door is now shut, and my children are with me in bed; I cannot rise and give to you’?  8 I say to you, though he will not rise and give to him because he is his friend, yet because of his persistence he will rise and give him as many as he needs.

9 “So I say to you, ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you.  10 For everyone who asks receives, and he who seeks finds, and to him who knocks it will be opened.

Powerful message, Fr.

[Lorenzo]

Let me ask you something people (at least the proponents of gay marriage). Why wouldn't proponents of pet lovers ALSO propose to the powers-that-be that they also legalize marrying their pets (e.g. dogs or cats) because many of them, too, can claim it's beyond sex and erotism? Why can't these people claim "human respect" as the underlying reason? Or use that argument that says "why would a heterosexual would want to marry one from the opposite number?" Why not?

Why would your answer be NO? Is it because we can sense something wrong in what I'm proposing? Is it really wrong? Think about it? Animals are just as good (esp. dogs and cats) as many humanoids (hahaha).

Or is it because it just so happen that it's not YET what we (as a society) consider at this point in our civilization as RIGHT? Meaning, it's not a matter or question of "human respect" or what-have-you but a matter of right or wrong. As far as I know, being gay or having gay relationships (worse yet, gay marriage) is not yet ackowledged as something right... at this point at least. Besides the Bible (and for a moment here just forget the Bible) NONE of this world's societies (maybe a few cities like San Francisco, etc) have acknowledged yet that a gay relationship is something normal or right much as they haven't recognize or shall ever legitimized/legalized a marriage between pet owners and pets... for reasons so obvious.

I have lots of friends who are gays and I respect them and enjoy their company... but I have also a religion (you don't have to belong to the one I am part of, you know) that I espoused , respect and follow to the best of my ability and we have what we call a BIBLE, a book we simply believe (without others to theologize it) as inspired by God that serves as guide to right and proper living. That what I hope people would respect us for... when we simply stand by what we believe as right and proper. If you believe or would like to live your life otherwise, I think the the world is big enough for all of us... you can always find your niche somewhere. And good luck to you on that!

Pero sa pagka karon - when our knowledge and understanding are as imperfect as we are - morag subidaon pa jud nang inyong ge propose nga gay marriage, even if most people already give respect to the gays and even enjoy their presence amongst us. I hope they have already passed the stage nga mahibaw-an sa ilang mga amahan kay aron di unja makulatahan (that's the joke part in this). If there's any consolation, you're always welcomed in my world and circle and laugh it all!!!

Excellent post, again, Fr.

The sheppard of Christ speaks Truth.

Well said, Fr.

[Raquelproud boholana]

Let me ask you something people (at least the proponents of gay marriage). Why wouldn't proponents of pet lovers ALSO propose to the powers-that-be that they also legalize marrying their pets (e.g. dogs or cats) because many of them, too, can claim it's beyond sex and erotism? Why can't these people claim "human respect" as the underlying reason? Or use that argument that says "why would a heterosexual would want to marry one from the opposite number?" Why not?

Why would your answer be NO? Is it because we can sense something wrong in what I'm proposing? Is it really wrong? Think about it? Animals are just as good (esp. dogs and cats) as many humanoids (hahaha).

Or is it because it just so happen that it's not YET what we (as a society) consider at this point in our civilization as RIGHT? Meaning, it's not a matter or question of "human respect" or what-have-you but a matter of right or wrong. As far as I know, being gay or having gay relationships (worse yet, gay marriage) is not yet ackowledged as something right... at this point at least. Besides the Bible (and for a moment here just forget the Bible) NONE of this world's societies (maybe a few cities like San Francisco, etc) have acknowledged yet that a gay relationship is something normal or right much as they haven't recognize or shall ever legitimized/legalized a marriage between pet owners and pets... for reasons so obvious.

I have lots of friends who are gays and I respect them and enjoy their company... but I have also a religion (you don't have to belong to the one I am part of, you know) that I espoused , respect and follow to the best of my ability and we have what we call a BIBLE, a book we simply believe (without others to theologize it) as inspired by God that serves as guide to right and proper living. That what I hope people would respect us for... when we simply stand by what we believe as right and proper. If you believe or would like to live your life otherwise, I think the the world is big enough for all of us... you can always find your niche somewhere. And good luck to you on that!

Pero sa pagka karon - when our knowledge and understanding are as imperfect as we are - morag subidaon pa jud nang inyong ge propose nga gay marriage, even if most people already give respect to the gays and even enjoy their presence amongst us. I hope they have already passed the stage nga mahibaw-an sa ilang mga amahan kay aron di unja makulatahan (that's the joke part in this). If there's any consolation, you're always welcomed in my world and circle and laugh it all!!!

Applause ko nimo Dre, Ing angay ko anang imong joke dah pero tinuod jud ni bahin sa stage nga nahibawo naba kaha ang amahan aron di makulatahan. Pareha ni sa akong best friend b***t ug naa siya sa ilaha macho kaayo,deny to the max pa sa atubangan sa iyang papa nga dili daw siya b***t pero ug tua na mi sa gawas sugod na ug kiay kiay.
Tinuod dako ang kalibutan nga atu pang lalisan. Ug asa ka malipayon hala padayon. Magkita kita ra unya ta sa Langit.

[glacier_71]

naks! lawom na sad maninglis ni Glacier! hahaha but i do agree!

maayo na lang nang akoa kaysa imong F*** S***! 

[chicogon]

maayo na lang nang akoa kaysa imong F*** S***!  

Glace, dili pod F*** oy, B*** tong gesuwat ni MDB. Basin F***B*** (adik tingale ni sa FB) ang sud sa huna-huna pero nakalitan maong lain nasuwat bwahaha  

[glacier_71]

Galce, dili pod F*** oy, B*** tong gesuwat ni MDB. Basin F***B*** (adik tingale ni sa FB) ang sud sa huna-huna pero nakalitan maong lain nasuwat bwahaha 

hahahaha...mura man ni siyag PitBull og maghisgot nag ingon ani...mao tingali nang naay B**** ning iyang post. hahahaha peace, mdb(ull).

[glacier_71]

tungod ba kay ang ilang gipangayo is a force-to-be-reckoned threat to the long-formed and long-guarded core of the society and culture? sometimes changes in the flow of things can open our eyes to the endless possibilities that would have been forever missed otherwise.


yes, there are certain mandates and orders from the society and its culture that same sex marriage would have trouble getting into, like the procreation and the very concept of marriage. even these are not an absolute hindrance to the argument of pro-same-sex marriage. in fact, they get the nod in other countries.

it is definitely right that human respect is only what it needs to bring this kind of union into position just as hetero unions have had. but institution of marriage as i've understood does not arise on social acceptance alone, which includes respecting their individuality, rights and decision; also, it stems from the natural order of creation - male & female; penis & vagina; semen & sperm; day & night; life & death. this is the natural law from which the "right"-ness of hetero-marriage has been founded. hence, our society may accept and allow SSM, but that doesn't follow that it makes it RIGHT by the dictate of our nature. suffice it to say why our religious brothers and sisters are adamant against the SSM insistence to call their union "marriage" because they don't look at it RIGHT, precisely because it's against Nature, and they ascribe Nature as part of God's plan, His Creation. This is where faith comes into play. (ug tingali moingon na pod si MBD ani, F***B*** that faith!! hahahaha)

sa ako lang, ako lang ni, the loophole of the argument to respect their rights and privileges in our society is that it is based mainly on political and humanistic intervention and influence, which they have obtained in other societies but not yet in the Philippines. It's a strong argument but not strong enough, which leads me to say KUNG mao man galing na nga respetohay man kaha ta, ngano mang di man ko tugotan mangasawa sa akong silingan nga dalaga na pero 10 anyos pa. o nga makapangasawa sa akong TUKOY nga mas bootan pa sa ubang TAWO nga asawa. ingnon man kaha ko nila nga "nabuang na ka", "gibaliw man tingali ka", pero di ba ingon man tingali nang gugma? hahahha.

[ms da binsi]

maayo na lang nang akoa kaysa imong F*** S***! 

as in Friendster? hahahhahah!

[ms da binsi]

Galce, dili pod F*** oy, B*** tong gesuwat ni MDB. Basin F***B*** (adik tingale ni sa FB) ang sud sa huna-huna pero nakalitan maong lain nasuwat bwahaha 

sus bitaw ning FS, FB, FV (farm ville), FT (farm town)  FW (fish world)! haaay maka bu****!

[glacier_71]

as in Friendster? hahahhahah!

Fafa Shuding...hahahaha

[chicogon]

Inspite of this world's imperfections naa pa jud tay kadaganan pahuwas sa atong pagka-bu**** (craziness, stresses of this world) aning kalibutana.... salamat sa FB, FS, SC, MS, BS (lain nis kang MDB LoL), RN, etc. Kinsay nagdahum gipaabot ta ani no?  

Legends:
SC (SoundClick)
MS (MySpace)
BS (BlogSter hahaha)
RN (ReverbNation)

Note: Klaro kaayo ge OT, aron di motaas ang presyon!

[ms da binsi]

Inspite of this world's imperfections naa pa jud tay kadaganan pahuwas sa atong pagka-bu**** (craziness, stresses of this world) aning kalibutana.... salamat sa FB, FS, SC, MS, BS (lain nis kang MDB LoL), RN, etc. Kinsay nagdahum gipaabot ta ani no? 

Legends:
SC (SoundClick)
MS (MySpace)
BS (BlogSter hahaha)
RN (ReverbNation)

Note: Klaro kaayo ge OT, aron di motaas ang presyon!

bwahahhahaha!

[Lorenzo]

that's true, WarWick, everybody deserves happiness.

too bad, our society is not as simple as it is, where we can just go in and ask what we want or need because we deserve it. like, "i love you, will you marry me?" and there, in split seconds, you have it. for even in the simplest of relationships, acceptance demands time and has to take lots of arguing, making up and letting go. human beings don't grow like other animals. it takes us weeks before we start to walk, and months to talk, years to understand and centuries to form a nation.

however we see this country, the introduction of something not inherent to the culture and norms of this people formed by centuries of religion, conflicts, adaptations, struggles and faith is simply presumptuous. some people should realize we're still a fundamentally heterosexually-oriented community. if this people has to stand against same-sex marriage, it is not to disrespect their orientations as gays and lesbians, or to treat them as disease of the society. it is for me to protect the long-held traditions and institutions of the people, which has been a seminal to their being. i guess this side is where respect should start and not from the other side.

for me it will come. only time can tell. this move should first prove itself as empowering rather than divisive to the fabric of our society. it needs more than education, it needs trust in each other. it should not just point to the vision of happiness; it should also point to the future of mankind and of our future children. good night!

Glacier, let me also add something into perspective that you lightly touched upon. You mentioned about the problems in introducing a foreign concept to a particular conservative society, namely referring to the Philippines in this regard. We have to consider that the conservative aspect bases its stance on natural law and the natural processes; the standard norm. Homosexuality, in this sense, is a deviation of natural law, and is the antithesis of the natural processes.

I will use an analogy: the muscle contractility phenomenon. Actin and Myosin heads will bond, allowing contraction and then release, which is powered by ATP breakdown (adenosine tri-phosphate). Two different muscle bands are required to fulfill this movement. There is no actin-actin movement, or a myosin-myosin movement. No! There is only actin-myosin.

The same as the human fertilization phenomenon in Embryology. The female egg, which carries an XX set of genetic codes will be fertilized by a male sperm, which carries a genetic codet of XY. An egg cannot be fertilized by an egg, nor can a sperm fertilize a sperm. The latter examples are deviations and improper natural processes that will result in a nill of species offspring procreation and thereby lead in pan-analysis: the degradation and obliteration of an entire species due to failed embryological synthesis in development.

A man, which is a sentient being composed of organ systems, which in itself is composed of organs, which in itself is composed of tissues, which in itself is composed of cells are governed by Natural order. Each cell is composed of micrological organelles, which in turn are composed of ordered ions, which are in turn composed of atoms, which follow an ordered law of positive and negatives. Opposites attract. Negative and positive will attract; and similar charged atoms will repel. Two positives will repel; same as two negatives will repel.

If an atom, which is positive will attract a positive then, this would lead to the disruption and the collapse in the entire organization of all life systems and matter in the entire universe. And to follow the laws of quantum physics and atomic physics it is LAW that two positives will not attract, nor will two negatives attract. Everything is ordered; in the natural world as well as in the universe that this planet is but a minute speck and integral member of.

May I also add that there is no such thing as third gender. The continuum of God's Earth has transcribed itself through natural procreative measures. One being XX genetic based (female) or XY genetic based (male).
There can only be 2 sexes, which is responsible for categorization of 'gender'. Throughout God's green earth, male will mate with female to give forth offspring.

It is only man in his need to make sense of things that we have a socially accepted use of the term 'third gender' to give the term gay/homosexual/lesbian/transexual a more 'political correct' term. The position society is placed here is an example of the quintesential fork in the road. Members in society decide have the freedom to decide where they stand in this issue. Again, there is man's law, but there is a greater Divine Law.

Think about it that way.

There is an ordered way of things.

God designed everything in order, and according to HIS purpose.


Man, is the only living social animal that has the ability to lie and to deceive himself from accepting TRUTH.
Man has the ability to twist a lie to sound like truth. Again, an effect of the devil's presence in this world.


That said. The Truth will set you free!

[Lorenzo]

tungod ba kay ang ilang gipangayo is a force-to-be-reckoned threat to the long-formed and long-guarded core of the society and culture? sometimes changes in the flow of things can open our eyes to the endless possibilities that would have been forever missed otherwise.


yes, there are certain mandates and orders from the society and its culture that same sex marriage would have trouble getting into, like the procreation and the very concept of marriage. even these are not an absolute hindrance to the argument of pro-same-sex marriage. in fact, they get the nod in other countries.

it is definitely right that human respect is only what it needs to bring this kind of union into position just as hetero unions have had. but institution of marriage as i've understood does not arise on social acceptance alone, which includes respecting their individuality, rights and decision; also, it stems from the natural order of creation - male & female; penis & vagina; semen & sperm; day & night; life & death. this is the natural law from which the "right"-ness of hetero-marriage has been founded. hence, our society may accept and allow SSM, but that doesn't follow that it makes it RIGHT by the dictate of our nature. suffice it to say why our religious brothers and sisters are adamant against the SSM insistence to call their union "marriage" because they don't look at it RIGHT, precisely because it's against Nature, and they ascribe Nature as part of God's plan, His Creation. This is where faith comes into play. (ug tingali moingon na pod si MBD ani, F***B*** that faith!! hahahaha)

sa ako lang, ako lang ni, the loophole of the argument to respect their rights and privileges in our society is that it is based mainly on political and humanistic intervention and influence, which they have obtained in other societies but not yet in the Philippines. It's a strong argument but not strong enough, which leads me to say KUNG mao man galing na nga respetohay man kaha ta, ngano mang di man ko tugotan mangasawa sa akong silingan nga dalaga na pero 10 anyos pa. o nga makapangasawa sa akong TUKOY nga mas bootan pa sa ubang TAWO nga asawa. ingnon man kaha ko nila nga "nabuang na ka", "gibaliw man tingali ka", pero di ba ingon man tingali nang gugma? hahahha.

If I may add, Glacier, there are members in the medical/scientific community that view consider homosexuality not only an abnormality, but the enemy to species procreation. Heterosexual marriage follow natural as well as divine law. Why? Simple, the union between two lead to offspring, which in essence lead to the continuation of the genetic line that the parents come from. Thereby ensuring genetic immortality, which is guaranteed and observed in the health and procreation of offspring. Homosexual union and marriage (to them might be a 'personal right'), is deviation in that it is the act of going against the natural order.

I have had conversations with other geneticists regarding this issue and one added (let me paraphrase his view):
"If we look at homosexuality beyond the moral window, and more so in the biological phenomenon, we will notice that its proliferation is probably nature's way of deviation hormonal regulatory pathways in certain male and female subgroups to check assymetrical human population growth. Human beings are apex predators and, thus, have no competitory species, and if we follow the Malthusian Theoretical Concept, if there is an unchecked assymetrical growth in one predatory species and a linear growth resources, then there will be a point in time in which the assymetric growth of the predatory species will overtake said resources, which would lead to a sharp decline in population. We know that nature prevents a total populatory decline by introducing viral outbreaks, bacterial outbreaks and natural disasters to limit the predatory species, thereby giving time to the resource population to recoup. Homosexuality, in essence, is a deviation of hormonal and reproductory establishments, but the proliferation of homosexuality could be seen as nature's way in reducing unchecked human population growth trends. Since homosexual individuals cannot reproduce according to their lifestyles, their threat to the natural order is limited, since they have accepted a self-genetic ban; denying their genetic longevity by denying the acquisition of offspring in the natural order."

[fdaray]

I don't think homosexuality is a sin because gays and lesbians are procreated by man. God created man in His image.
God wants us to be happy.

[Bambi]

I don't think homosexuality is a sin because gays and lesbians are procreated by man. God created man in His image.
God wants us to be happy.

Korek ka kaajo, Sir fdaray!

Bisan kadtong mga close servants sa Ginoo dagko usab ug mga sala. God is good and he created us all human as equal, di ba?
I am in favor to legalize marriage between gays and lesbians and i hope that we all Pinoys can tolerate this. Would be nice!

[WarWick]

ang problema diha sa atoa kay ang mga b***t magbina baje na bastos na kaayo tan-awon, pero diri, di ka kahibawo og b***t ba o tomboy... nederland is the first country that legelize gay marriage

there are so many countries and so many laws in many parts of the world who have realised that they should not deprive gay people the kind of happiness they deserve as a human being...not just San Francisco, and not just Netherlands. In many parts of Europe, there are even gay-friendly public places like beach and streets, and heterosexuals there respect them. Isn't it sad that, just because our country is conservative Catholic whose churches speak so annoyingly of freedom and peace and respect, but boldly strip many people of their rights to baptismal, funeral, and marriage, many gay people have no choice but to go to Canada just to get married where rights are respected.

If the church choose to give it to whom they think deserves to get married, then I think it would be better if there will be no matrimony at all.

[WarWick]

If I may add, Glacier, there are members in the medical/scientific community that view consider homosexuality not only an abnormality, but the enemy to species procreation. Heterosexual marriage follow natural as well as divine law. Why? Simple, the union between two lead to offspring, which in essence lead to the continuation of the genetic line that the parents come from. Thereby ensuring genetic immortality, which is guaranteed and observed in the health and procreation of offspring. Homosexual union and marriage (to them might be a 'personal right'), is deviation in that it is the act of going against the natural order.

I have had conversations with other geneticists regarding this issue and one added (let me paraphrase his view):
"If we look at homosexuality beyond the moral window, and more so in the biological phenomenon, we will notice that its proliferation is probably nature's way of deviation hormonal regulatory pathways in certain male and female subgroups to check assymetrical human population growth. Human beings are apex predators and, thus, have no competitory species, and if we follow the Malthusian Theoretical Concept, if there is an unchecked assymetrical growth in one predatory species and a linear growth resources, then there will be a point in time in which the assymetric growth of the predatory species will overtake said resources, which would lead to a sharp decline in population. We know that nature prevents a total populatory decline by introducing viral outbreaks, bacterial outbreaks and natural disasters to limit the predatory species, thereby giving time to the resource population to recoup. Homosexuality, in essence, is a deviation of hormonal and reproductory establishments, but the proliferation of homosexuality could be seen as nature's way in reducing unchecked human population growth trends. Since homosexual individuals cannot reproduce according to their lifestyles, their threat to the natural order is limited, since they have accepted a self-genetic ban; denying their genetic longevity by denying the acquisition of offspring in the natural order."

Glacier, let me also add something into perspective that you lightly touched upon. You mentioned about the problems in introducing a foreign concept to a particular conservative society, namely referring to the Philippines in this regard. We have to consider that the conservative aspect bases its stance on natural law and the natural processes; the standard norm. Homosexuality, in this sense, is a deviation of natural law, and is the antithesis of the natural processes.

I will use an analogy: the muscle contractility phenomenon. Actin and Myosin heads will bond, allowing contraction and then release, which is powered by ATP breakdown (adenosine tri-phosphate). Two different muscle bands are required to fulfill this movement. There is no actin-actin movement, or a myosin-myosin movement. No! There is only actin-myosin.

The same as the human fertilization phenomenon in Embryology. The female egg, which carries an XX set of genetic codes will be fertilized by a male sperm, which carries a genetic codet of XY. An egg cannot be fertilized by an egg, nor can a sperm fertilize a sperm. The latter examples are deviations and improper natural processes that will result in a nill of species offspring procreation and thereby lead in pan-analysis: the degradation and obliteration of an entire species due to failed embryological synthesis in development.

A man, which is a sentient being composed of organ systems, which in itself is composed of organs, which in itself is composed of tissues, which in itself is composed of cells are governed by Natural order. Each cell is composed of micrological organelles, which in turn are composed of ordered ions, which are in turn composed of atoms, which follow an ordered law of positive and negatives. Opposites attract. Negative and positive will attract; and similar charged atoms will repel. Two positives will repel; same as two negatives will repel.

If an atom, which is positive will attract a positive then, this would lead to the disruption and the collapse in the entire organization of all life systems and matter in the entire universe. And to follow the laws of quantum physics and atomic physics it is LAW that two positives will not attract, nor will two negatives attract. Everything is ordered; in the natural world as well as in the universe that this planet is but a minute speck and integral member of.

May I also add that there is no such thing as third gender. The continuum of God's Earth has transcribed itself through natural procreative measures. One being XX genetic based (female) or XY genetic based (male).
There can only be 2 sexes, which is responsible for categorization of 'gender'. Throughout God's green earth, male will mate with female to give forth offspring.

It is only man in his need to make sense of things that we have a socially accepted use of the term 'third gender' to give the term gay/homosexual/lesbian/transexual a more 'political correct' term. The position society is placed here is an example of the quintesential fork in the road. Members in society decide have the freedom to decide where they stand in this issue. Again, there is man's law, but there is a greater Divine Law.

Think about it that way.

There is an ordered way of things.

God designed everything in order, and according to HIS purpose.


Man, is the only living social animal that has the ability to lie and to deceive himself from accepting TRUTH.
Man has the ability to twist a lie to sound like truth. Again, an effect of the devil's presence in this world.


That said. The Truth will set you free!

You've said it: God designed everything in order, and according to HIS purpose.

WOuldn't that mean that the existence of gay community is part of God's plan, and has its own purpose and role in this world? If you truly believe in your God and trust everything that he did and does, then why are you questioning about the existence of homosexuals, scrutinize them and their worth?

It is just us people who are very sensitive to the "divine" law that we thought we were able to fathom. Everything and everyone that exist in this world are God's creation. Would you argue that statement? Now, why gays exist? Is it a matter of men's choice to be gay?  If you challenge the fact that gays exist, then you are implying that some of God's creations are flawed.


And I don't even believe in saints and devils. It is just us people who create those terms, do evil things and good deeds, and assessing ourselves by our own foolishness that such words really exist. And I think the word devil came into being to refer to those people who choose to defy the voice of the society. They're just being brave and courageous, but people call them evil.

[Lorenzo]

You've said it: God designed everything in order, and according to HIS purpose.

WOuldn't that mean that the existence of gay community is part of God's plan, and has its own purpose and role in this world? If you truly believe in your God and trust everything that he did and does, then why are you questioning about the existence of homosexuals, scrutinize them and their worth?

It is just us people who are very sensitive to the "divine" law that we thought we were able to fathom. Everything and everyone that exist in this world are God's creation. Would you argue that statement? Now, why gays exist? Is it a matter of men's choice to be gay?  If you challenge the fact that gays exist, then you are implying that some of God's creations are flawed.


And I don't even believe in saints and devils. It is just us people who create those terms, do evil things and good deeds, and assessing ourselves by our own foolishness that such words really exist. And I think the word devil came into being to refer to those people who choose to defy the voice of the society. They're just being brave and courageous, but people call them evil.

Everyone is created. You were created because your mother and father bore you, and delivered you into this world.
The Lord your God loved you so much that He gave you the freedom of choice. You live your life because you have decided to live it according to your own desires, your own choosing. It is up to the individual to abide by the Word of God or not. In the end, you shall be judged. There is no changing or altering that.


The Lord your God said, "I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live."
Deuteronomy 30:19:

And what begets death? We are told that the wage of sin is death.

For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Romans 6:23


God Bless!

[chicogon]

Bitaw, whether motoo ta nga binuhat tas Ginoo or dili, is really irrelevant for many here. For some of us who do believe, it's not because we're that bright to claim we know everything (or that much) except that we have a religion or system of beliefs we espoused as wisdom and guide to "right living". Dautan ba diay kung mosunod lang ang tawo sa iyang gitoohan? Like some of us clarified here, we have the freedom of choice how to live our lives: pwede ka mag hinawod, pwede magbinayot o pwede pod magbinuotan. It's your life, after all. Live it as you please!!! If some here contend homosexuality as wrong, it's because they're seeing it from their own perspective or religious upbringing (ayaw lang god mo kasuko). If you think homosexuality (just being gay) is not sinful, then so be it. Imo sad nang pagtoo. Wa joy mopogos nimo. Di man lang practice of homosexuality is condemned by the Catholic Chuurch as sinful, hasta man pod heterosexual relationship that is outside of marriage og kanang nagduwa-duwa sa relasyon nga "fragile" kaau. It's also a matter of justice, you know... kanang magpahimos sa mga vulnerable (lumay ug mga kasing-kasing). ALSO, Di naman pod siguro kinahanglan "mangigo" ta (below the belt)... nga maski ang mga servants sa Simbahan, dagko usab ug sala. The Church for centuries knew that and admitted that; we preach that every Sunday. Parents preached that to their kids. Kay naa ba diay di makasasala aning kalibutana? Klaro mana sa Bibliya. Coz if you claim you're one (sinless), either you're a liar or to you I'd say, "pag sure oi!!!" (LoL). Makasasa bitaw ta tanan. Di naman na angay istoryahan pa. Discussions here are basically battles of the minds (sometimes of prides, kung kinsay bright), perspectives, beliefs (kuno, as if we're broad or open-minded) or just plain arguing for the sake of one. Ang mo-surrender, aw.... but I urge everyone to stand by their beliefs... and live them!!! For that I will respect that person, the same way as I always admired atheists or agnostics for being so brave/fearless in not believing in a God. I wish isog pod ko like them... but am I really that different from them?

[chicogon]

Another question for those say they "accept" homosexuality: kanang inyong pag accept sa mga homosexuals (practicing akong pasabot ani) or gay (incl. gay marriage) ... have you REALLY and TRULY accepted them in every aspect of the word? O gusto ba lang ninyo nga e-recognize sila sa society? But would you take them personally in your homes, ask them to be ninongs or ninangs of your children, or molohod sa inyong kasal or what-have-you, baby-sitter sa inyong mga anak, etc? Would you in some intimate way invite them to partake in your family life, etc? Or basin pod ang inyong attitude is, "Ok ra sila e-recognize, but I don't want to have anything to do with them?" Hmmmm. You don't have to answer any of these, but it sure doesn't hurt to ask ourselves these questions.

[Lorenzo]

Bitaw, whether motoo ta nga binuhat tas Ginoo or dili, is really irrelevant for many here. For some of us who do believe, it's not because we're that bright to claim we know everything (or that much) except that we have a religion or system of beliefs we espoused as wisdom and guide to "right living". Dautan ba diay kung mosunod lang ang tawo sa iyang gitoohan? Like some of us clarified here, we have the freedom of choice how to live our lives: pwede ka mag hinawod, pwede magbinayot o pwede pod magbinuotan. It's your life, after all. Live it as you please!!! If some here contend homosexuality as wrong, it's because they're seeing it from their own perspective or religious upbringing (ayaw lang god mo kasuko). If you think homosexuality (just being gay) is not sinful, then so be it. Imo sad nang pagtoo. Wa joy mopogos nimo. Di man lang practice of homosexuality is condemned by the Catholic Chuurch as sinful, hasta man pod heterosexual relationship that is outside of marriage og kanang nagduwa-duwa sa relasyon nga "fragile" kaau. It's also a matter of justice, you know... kanang magpahimos sa mga vulnerable (lumay ug mga kasing-kasing). ALSO, Di naman pod siguro kinahanglan "mangigo" ta (below the belt)... nga maski ang mga servants sa Simbahan, dagko usab ug sala. The Church for centuries knew that and admitted that; we preach that every Sunday. Parents preached that to their kids. Kay naa ba diay di makasasala aning kalibutana? Klaro mana sa Bibliya. Coz if you claim you're one (sinless), either you're a liar or to you I'd say, "pag sure oi!!!" (LoL). Makasasa bitaw ta tanan. Di naman na angay istoryahan pa. Discussions here are basically battles of the minds (sometimes of prides, kung kinsay bright), perspectives, beliefs (kuno, as if we're broad or open-minded) or just plain arguing for the sake of one. Ang mo-surrender, aw.... but I urge everyone to stand by their beliefs... and live them!!! For that I will respect that person, the same way as I always admired atheists or agnostics for being so brave/fearless in not believing in a God. I wish isog pod ko like them... but am I really that different from them?

Fr, tinuud bitaw ang gi ingon nimo. Sa historidad sa Church, naay church members nga nag sala pero ang Church itself has been blameless, for it has preached the Truth and has spread the Holy Gospel unto the peoples under pain of death and opposition. Since the days that the Church hid from Roman persecution till the present age.

As for your last statement, hehehe, isog man pood ka Fr., isog ka kai you had the guts to answer HIS call when others who were called did not have the strength to answer it. So ako mo salute nimo. Ang mga tawo nga naay justification in Jesus Christ's Gospel of Truth, there is nothing an opposition can do to hinder the message of the Gospel. For it is said that "Greater is HE who is in you than he who is in the world" (1 John 4:4)
Brave ka kai naay faith, anyone who has faith and chooses to see what the eyes cannot see but sees what the spirit and the soul sees is justified in Christ's promise than there will be life after this one.

For those who continue to let their sin rule their lives, and who reject a God, then as it is said, they shall be sifted like weeds. And be cast into the lake of fire in the time of judgement.

REPENT AND BE SAVED.

[david]

wa man ko ka klaro unsa nga klase sa kasal ang gihisgotan, kasal sa simbahan o kasal sa minsipyo.
legal man ang kasal sa mga b***t diri pero sa munisipyo  ang kasal

[grazie7y]

Another question for those say they "accept" homosexuality: kanang inyong pag accept sa mga homosexuals (practicing akong pasabot ani) or gay (incl. gay marriage) ... have you REALLY and TRULY accepted them in every aspect of the word? O gusto ba lang ninyo nga e-recognize sila sa society? But would you take them personally in your homes, ask them to be ninongs or ninangs of your children, or molohod sa inyong kasal or what-have-you, baby-sitter sa inyong mga anak, etc? Would you in some intimate way invite them to partake in your family life, etc? Or basin pod ang inyong attitude is, "Ok ra sila e-recognize, but I don't want to have anything to do with them?" Hmmmm. You don't have to answer any of these, but it sure doesn't hurt to ask ourselves these questions.

Thought-provoking questions, Father.  I am not in favor of same-sex marriage  but with the gay/lesbian people close to me (I have a few and even have relatives who are gays/lesbians), I welcome them in my life and I respect their individuality.  They are a part of my life as much as I am to them.  I won't say more, or say less but I'd like to share just this one:

I have an Ilonggo-gay friend named Boyet. When he learned (this happened 14 years ago) that one of our former co-workers had an abortion because the boyfriend didn't want to marry her, Boyet talked to me and another close friend.  He said that should we be in that same situation, "DO NOT ABORT YOUR PREGNANCY!  I am true-blooded b***t but I am willing to marry you if that's what it takes to save your baby!"  It was hilarious, at first, then later I thought, this guy is so wonderful!  He is a keeper.  A friend forever.  Oh, I asked him about this same-sex marriage issue.  He said, as a Catholic, he would say, no.  And yes, if I had children, I would have him as Ninong/Ninang.

[glacier_71]

Another question for those say they "accept" homosexuality: kanang inyong pag accept sa mga homosexuals (practicing akong pasabot ani) or gay (incl. gay marriage) ... have you REALLY and TRULY accepted them in every aspect of the word? O gusto ba lang ninyo nga e-recognize sila sa society? But would you take them personally in your homes, ask them to be ninongs or ninangs of your children, or molohod sa inyong kasal or what-have-you, baby-sitter sa inyong mga anak, etc? Would you in some intimate way invite them to partake in your family life, etc? Or basin pod ang inyong attitude is, "Ok ra sila e-recognize, but I don't want to have anything to do with them?" Hmmmm. You don't have to answer any of these, but it sure doesn't hurt to ask ourselves these questions.

hahahaha, mao jud pads. kita ra bang mga pinoy ganahan kaayo ta manghapak sa kinaiya ug lihok sa ubang tawo. kanang mangigo ba. sama pananglit aning mga tawo nga ganahan kaayo og mga b***t. malipay kaayo ta makakita nila ug makauban sa publiko. pero og kita na ganiy tawgon nga b***t...huh, manggokod man kaha ug manigbas kay kono pataka lang og panghingan. LOL.

girespetar baya sa katilingban ug relihiyosong grupo ning mga b***t ug tomboy. bisan sa ato. sama usab nga girespetar sa simbahan ang mga kriminal ug ilang kinabuhi, gani batok kaayo ang simbahan sa death penalty. sampol lang ni. apan, bisan pa og girespetar kini sa simbahan, pero og moingon ning kriminal, gusto kong magpari pareho ni Fr. Chico, kay bootan. gatoo ta nga tugotan dayon na sa simbahan? dili man tingali. di ba, pads? unya moingon dayon tag unfair ni, kay naay daghang mga na-pari nga kriminal pog "kinabuhi?" dili pod tingali na sakto. kana tungod kay naay gidapigan ug gisandigan nga balaod ang simbahan. mao ra pod nas kahimtang sa same-sex marriage. di jud motugot ana ang simbahan nga kaslon o makasal ni Fr. Chico, sa klaro nang hinungdan.

lain pa. ayaw pagtoo nga bisag ma-legalize pa ang SSM sa Pinas, unya dayon pong mo-uyon ang simbahan ug ubang mga grupo relihiyoso nga modawat niini. dili. sama diri sa Canada. di man mokasal ang simbahan og SSM. pero, wa bay b***t nga naas choir matag-domingo? naay daghan. naa ganiy usa ga grupo nga puro b***t tig-kanta sa usa ka simbahan sa Toronto. unya moingon ta nga way alamag ang simbahan sa pagrespitar nila? keber.

ako argument mao ra jud ni, kung makadawat man kaha ta aning SSM tungod sa hinungdan nga respetar nis ilang katungod, ngano mang di man ta kadawat lagi nga magpakasal kos among silingan nga akong giangyan, pero 10 anyos pa? ngano man be? ug ako pa jud ning palawman. ngano man diay og magpakasal kos akong binuhing baksan nga ako man ning katungod ug kalipay ug himaya nga ikauban nako kini siya sa tibook nakong kinabuhi? ngano man be? di diay ko moingon nga unfair ang balaod kay wa nila respetohi akong katungod makiminyo og baksan?

[Lorenzo]

Another question for those say they "accept" homosexuality: kanang inyong pag accept sa mga homosexuals (practicing akong pasabot ani) or gay (incl. gay marriage) ... have you REALLY and TRULY accepted them in every aspect of the word? O gusto ba lang ninyo nga e-recognize sila sa society? But would you take them personally in your homes, ask them to be ninongs or ninangs of your children, or molohod sa inyong kasal or what-have-you, baby-sitter sa inyong mga anak, etc? Would you in some intimate way invite them to partake in your family life, etc? Or basin pod ang inyong attitude is, "Ok ra sila e-recognize, but I don't want to have anything to do with them?" Hmmmm. You don't have to answer any of these, but it sure doesn't hurt to ask ourselves these questions.

I have friends who are straight, and gays. Dili ko prejudiced sa mga b***t in their individuality, pero against ko sa ang act sa homosexuality. I respect them as human beings, with mind, feeling, and some..with faith. I have a friend who is gay and he is very active bitaw in church; tho he is not catholic, he is baptist.

We had this question in an bible study class; "Is Homosexuality a sin?"

He himself answered the question when it was his turn to give his point and give a scriptural verse; his reference to Leviticus was poignant. And at the end of his turn, he admitted to us that he himself is gay and aware of his sinful nature. We did a prayer for healing for him. When asked about gay marriages, he was against it.

It is quite interesting because for him, he is ashamed of being gay. And for him, a source of strength to battle it was turning to the bible and finding strength in Jesus Christ who is Lord.

Very good individual. I do pray for him...

[ms da binsi]

 who among the TB women who wants to marry me, raise your hand???

[ms da binsi]

who among the TB women who wants to marry me, raise your hand???

ang marriage sa same sex diri dili man kinahanglan sa simbahan. kami kay wa man mi gikasal sa simbahan would you guys consider me as NON MARRIED? nag libog jud ko. 

[Bambi]

who among the TB women who wants to marry me, raise your hand???

AKO! Bayat

[ms da binsi]

Yes I do! hwahahahhahaha!

[hofelina]

I have 6 lesbian co-workers and two of them get married (civil wedding). we were invited and other friends acted as legal witnessess. Kon adunay parties I dance with them, ako ang baje sila ang lalake. Very tender sila modala ug sayaw. It is truly queer to see two women dancing tango!

[ms da binsi]

nganong naa man mo ingon nga being gay is a sin! nag judge na na???

Another question for those say they "accept" homosexuality: kanang inyong pag accept sa mga homosexuals (practicing akong pasabot ani) or gay (incl. gay marriage) ... have you REALLY and TRULY accepted them in every aspect of the word? O gusto ba lang ninyo nga e-recognize sila sa society? But would you take them personally in your homes, ask them to be ninongs or ninangs of your children, or molohod sa inyong kasal or what-have-you, baby-sitter sa inyong mga anak, etc? Would you in some intimate way invite them to partake in your family life, etc? Or basin pod ang inyong attitude is, "Ok ra sila e-recognize, but I don't want to have anything to do with them?" Hmmmm. You don't have to answer any of these, but it sure doesn't hurt to ask ourselves these questions.

sakto jud ni nga pangutana 'der, mao ni akong giingon  nga whatever you think about these people maka apekto jud na sa imong pag serbisyo.

[Bambi]

Another question for those say they "accept" homosexuality: kanang inyong pag accept sa mga homosexuals (practicing akong pasabot ani) or gay (incl. gay marriage) ... have you REALLY and TRULY accepted them in every aspect of the word? O gusto ba lang ninyo nga e-recognize sila sa society? But would you take them personally in your homes, ask them to be ninongs or ninangs of your children, or molohod sa inyong kasal or what-have-you, baby-sitter sa inyong mga anak, etc? Would you in some intimate way invite them to partake in your family life, etc? Or basin pod ang inyong attitude is, "Ok ra sila e-recognize, but I don't want to have anything to do with them?" Hmmmm. You don't have to answer any of these, but it sure doesn't hurt to ask ourselves these questions.

I love Bayots! The two nurses who lately attended my late mother are also "Noble Bayots"!   I have a good close friend who is b***t. I was looking for him this vacation as I often do but sorry to say...he got a stroke and he is living in Cebu.  Time were too hesitant to pay him a visit but I promised to see him next vacation. He is a real darling adopting his poor relatives and sent them to school and most of them are already professionals. Mostly only "b***t" are self-giving for others sake.  Long live all the Bayots! Long live all sinners like you and me!

[chicogon]

who among the TB women who wants to marry me, raise your hand???

Unya nako raise sa akong hands, magpaka babaye sa ko MDB... wew!

[glacier_71]

who among the TB women who wants to marry me, raise your hand???

ari na lang kos akong tukoy, mdb. mas gentle pa ug i know certified virgin kini. whahahaha.

[hubag bohol]

ari na lang kos akong tukoy, mdb. mas gentle pa ug i know certified virgin kini. whahahaha.

Bilib kos imong disiplina ug self-restraint, Bay Glace. Kanay Kristyano, maghulat jud nga makasal!

[glacier_71]

Bilib kos imong disiplina ug self-restraint, Bay Glace. Kanay Kristyano, maghulat jud nga makasal!

hahahahaha, salamat bay hubs. kung makasal ko ikaw akong kuhaon nga maninoy. 

[hubag bohol]

hahahahaha, salamat bay hubs. kung makasal ko ikaw akong kuhaon nga maninoy. 

Akoy maninoy, si Fr. Chic ang mokasal, si Ms. MDB ang imong santos, payts kaajo. Kon manganak mo, magkinahanglan kag vet, aw doktor diay...

[ms da binsi]

Akoy maninoy, si Fr. Chic ang mokasal, si Ms. MDB ang imong santos, payts kaajo. Kon manganak mo, magkinahanglan kag vet, aw doktor diay...

ako ang santa santita!
hahahhaha!

[glacier_71]

ako ang santa santita!
hahahhaha!

apan, sumala sa bag-ong kasayoran, gahi ka makalusot pagka-santa santita, mdb, kay gamay ra kono imong utok, ingon si nilo**dingal. bwhahahaha. peace.

[chicogon]

ari na lang kos akong tukoy, mdb. mas gentle pa ug i know certified virgin kini. whahahaha.

Asa ta pwede mokuhag certification Glace? Notarized akong gusto ha? Bwahehehe...