Are You Atheist?

[ayessa]

Let me take the merits of both case point by point.

1.  The pastor's protest was an intrusion of private rights, the comment on" religion flies you into buildings"  does not intrude private rights.

2.  "Religion flies you into buildings" is an expression of strong disgust on how religion has become the root cause of war , trouble, misery..  The commenter was safe of religious discrimination, because he did not point out any religious sect.  If the comment was, "Religion placed children at danger.", would the catholic church dare to react on this?  I guess not.

3.  The pastor, was in fact using a religious sect, to lobby his protest invoking the Judeo -Christian dogma of "pro-life". ( which is actually legal)

4.  The pastor was few feet, meter away from the abortion clinic.  His protests were purely intended to harass private persons.

This is how liberal your laws in the US are Lorenzo.  Abortion is even legal.  This contradicts your view that US is a conservative society.

[Lorenzo]

Let me take the merits of both case point by point.

1.  The pastor's protest was an intrusion of private rights, the comment on" religion flies you into buildings"  does not intrude private rights.

2.  "Religion flies you into buildings" is an expression of strong disgust on how religion has become the root cause of war , trouble, misery..  The commenter was safe of religious discrimination, because he did not point out any religious sect.  If the comment was, "Religion placed children at danger.", would the catholic church dare to react on this?  I guess not.

3.  The pastor, was in fact using a religious sect, to lobby his protest invoking the Judeo -Christian dogma of "pro-life". ( which is actually legal)

4.  The pastor was few feet, meter away from the abortion clinic.  His protests were purely intended to harass private persons.

This is how liberal your laws in the US are Lorenzo.  Abortion is even legal.  This contradicts your view that US is a conservative society.

1. The comment is an intrusion of private right. Does it not affect sensitive muslims? or civil rights proponents?
2. This statement is an abuse of civil rights and is filled with malice and disrespect towards religious individuals, indirectly targeting muslims. In no way am I a muslim, but I respect their right to worship. That said statement is, thus, grossly an indirect example of religious discrimination. Secondly, in no way can we decide on the actions of the catholic church.

3. That is your own view. The fact is, his argument was that he was utilizing his 1st Amendment Right, the freedom of expression and free speech.

4. This is an example of how freedom of speech, itself, as intrisic as it is, has its own limitations. Constitutional rights themselves, must also answer to the laws of the individual states.

Please digest that. Roy.

[Lorenzo]

Funny that you mentioned about abortion; abortion is not universal in the 'states.

In the 1973 Roe v. Wade decision, the Supreme Court ruled that women, in consultation with their physician, have a constitutionally protected right to have an abortion in the early stages of pregnancy—that is, before viability—free from government interference.
(but note that it is only in the 1st trimester; after that, it is illegal to do so)

Note that only 32 states out of the 50 states utilize Parental Consent laws.

Abortion is limited in the United States. And as I said earlier, the USA is far more conservative than Europe.

Some European countries recognize same sex marriages.
The majority of US states do not recognize such unions. Aside from two known states: California and Massachusetts (both of whom are liberal blue states) ; and this is only in a limited context; certain cities only of said states.


Back to the topic

source:http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0904509.html

[ayessa]

Lorenzo,


Was there any class attack because of the comment " Religion flies you into buildings"?  Christianity is even no exception to this.  Neither did the commenter gave praises to Christianity.  It was a general observation Lorenzo. Let me reiterate and I emphasize.... The purported intention of the commenter was to mock religion in general, which caused people to harm. it just so happen that the muslim extremist bombed the twin towers. if it were Christian conservatives , nothing will be changed about the comment.

If I say, ideological, racial fanatiscm and the hunger for power cause people to kill millions of ethnic minorities, would it be racially discriminating for the germans?  I think not.

If I say, religion perpetuated child molestation, would this be an insult to Catholiscm? I guess not.

Both cases cannot be compared with each other, just only because they both invoke the freedom of self expression.

The pastors protest was an intrusion of private rights, the comment on " Religion flies you into buildings", is a general opinion on how religion could be an instrument for violence.

[ayessa]

I did not say, that it is legal in all states Lorenzo.  You mentioned abortion, that it is legal in Oakland, as cited in the example.

Im am anti abortion Lorenzo.  My view on abortion, is purley irrelevant to what we are discussing about religious freedom and the right to self expression

[Lorenzo]

I wanted to correct your statement.

As propagating false and incomplete information would do more harm than good.

[Lorenzo]

I did not say, that it is legal in all states Lorenzo.  You mentioned abortion, that it is legal in Oakland, as cited in the example.

Im am anti abortion Lorenzo.  My view on abortion, is purley irrelevant to what we are discussing about religious freedom and the right to self expression

I don't care about your personal opinion on the matter, Roy.
I care about the legal aspect; the constitutionality and the totality of the Law.

I want the correct information; so that the Boholanos in here will know of the true stance of the United States and not on one's interpretation.

[ayessa]

There was nothing that is incorrect because I did not claim anything. I was just pointing out that you were contradicting yourself in saying that america is a conservatice country when in fact, abortion as you have mentioned, (not me) is legal in Oakland.  I dont even know this. hehehe

If the pastor, was only protesting in the right avenue- in fron of the city council,  in main city streets, then he could not have faced lawsuit then he could invoke freedom of self expression.

But to do it, few meters, feet away from the abortion clinic.  This was a pure manifestion of an intrusion of private rights.

[Lorenzo]

That said,

Let it be known that here in the United States, any racist comments, sexual and bigoted comments on one's race, ethnicity, sexual orientation, religious identification, size, physical appearance, can fall within the grounds for legal suite.

As such can fall into grounds for discrimination. The United States courts are not friendly to those who commit such crimes, as already mandated by the promulgation of The Civil Rights Acts, and the advances established by the NAACP, the ACLU and other watch groups.


Best,
Lorenzo

[ayessa]

Dont put words on my mouth Lorenzo. Your example provided me information that abortion is legal in oakland..  and please, every one knows that america has federal states, and that each state have different laws.

[Lorenzo]

This is why such a poster that Ben shared with us, definitely, fall in grounds for legal suite.

Guarantee you that.

[Lorenzo]

Dont put words on my mouth Lorenzo. Your example provided me information that abortion is legal in oakland..  and please, every one knows that america has federal states, and that each state have different laws.

I can't put words in your mouth, its impossible to physically put words in one's mouth.

[ayessa]

Yes Boholanos and everyone else should know that the contempt of court, is when you dishonor the order of the court.  lol

[ayessa]

like what you always say colloquially even if there is nothing colloquial  about ( quoted from and quoted by)

hahahah.

[ayessa]

Ask for a legal opinion or even cite court decisions as jurisprudence. 

[ayessa]

congratulations to me. Im a Bohol trusted hero now. thanks to lorenzo for the chat.hahaha

[ayessa]

still reading wikipedia? huh? what about the copy and paste technology.

[ayessa]

lets party.. im a bohol trusted hero.

[Lorenzo]

lol, Roy, Roy, is this a tactic of yours on anything? When you loose anything intellectual to add, you digress and add in personal remarks?

Just from observation.

[ayessa]

Matulog na ko ondoy enzo ha?  alas tres na diri.  dont take things seriously . mabawasan lang imung pagka cute..


Da lagi ka!

[ayessa]

Now who is losing anything intellectual to add? who cant do a good rebuttal?  me?

[Lorenzo]

congratulations to me. Im a Bohol trusted hero now. thanks to lorenzo for the chat.hahaha

1. I enjoyed the conversation and your digressions.

2. The power of the world wide web allows us too pool information, Roy. hehe.

3. And remember, it is physically impossible to put words in one's mouth.

[Lorenzo]

Matulog na ko ondoy enzo ha?  alas tres na diri.  dont take things seriously . mabawasan lang imung pagka cute..


Da lagi ka!

thank you. i know im cute. hahahaha

good night, be good. and remember, dont choke on words.

or~

hahahahaha peace!

[ayessa]

Who was comparing, irrelevant cases?

(Pastor case and the religion flies you into building comment)

Who was saying contempt of court, is saying no?

Who was saying this is colloquial (qouted by) even when the text is not figurative?

[Lorenzo]

Now who is losing anything intellectual to add? who cant do a good rebuttal?  me?

lol. let us agree that we are both thick-headed.




God Bless,

[Lorenzo]

Who was comparing, irrelevant cases?

(Pastor case and the religion flies you into building comment)

Who was saying contempt of court, is saying no?

Who was saying this is colloquial (qouted by) even when the text is not figurative?

Roy, its 3 am. Go to sleep. i can't believe this guy. lol

[ayessa]

Admit it.  There is magnificence in humility. 


come on.

[Lorenzo]

yes.

of course.

[Lorenzo]

Why are still replying to me. Go to bed.

[ayessa]

1. I enjoyed the converesation and your diggressions.

2. The power of the world wide web allows us too pool information, Roy. hehe.

3. And remember, it is physically impossible to put words in one's mouth.

It is more fitting to use, poetic license, colloquial speech by saying , dont put words in my mouth.

Rather than, saying quoted by...., when you actually meant quoted from.

hahahaha

[ayessa]

It is because of you that i became a Trusted Bohol Hero. Why dont we party?

hahahah.

[Lorenzo]

Or as you would say, "Dagohoy English"

lol, stop picking on me. There is a reason why I'm not an English major. hmp!

[ayessa]

Let your angels be with you.. and my angels be with me.

Have a nice night.

colloquially (though)

[ben]

you can make your own here

[Lorenzo]

LOL

[Lorenzo]

Ben,
What is the meaning of mabdus?

lol

[glacier_71]

very interesting guys. thanks for the heated yet brilliant debate. you're both excellent. wish i could be as good as the two of you. more power to you both. 

[glacier_71]

Ben,
What is the meaning of mabdus?

lol

mabdus = pregnant, lorenz.

[Lorenzo]

hahaha

lol

Salamat, Glacier.

[Lorenzo]

lol, this thread cracked me up. Talk about a break from studies.

Good night/morning, ladies and gents.

I'm going to take my leave.

Back to work.

God Bless all of Us.

[grazie7y]

very interesting guys. thanks for the heated yet brilliant debate. you're both excellent. wish i could be as good as the two of you. more power to you both. 

I agree, Glace.  Mura'g ma bright pod ko gamay bisan magbasa lang! lol

Thanks, Ayessa and Dodong Bran.

[buwadsanga]

heheehehe! raaak en rooooowl pipol!

GLORY TO GOD IN THE HIGHEST!

[ayessa]

[ayessa]

[ayessa]

Who in the entire world is charged of contempt of court because he was protesting against abortion?
Who in the entire world, uses colloquial license as an excuse, to mend up obvious grammatical and logical error?
Who in the entire world, picks up cases from nowhere, just because the claim of the defendant, is that he was only exercising his right to self expression even if he was actually invading privacy rights and such a case has even no bearing to the discussion on religion and the freedom of expression (as one expresses his political and social views on religion)?

[ayessa]

basin ma lock na sad ni nga thread because of a personal attack.

[ayessa]

LOCKED.

[ayessa]

ay, wala man diay koy super power nga ma lock siya.

wonderwoman nga walay power.

[Lorenzo]

Good Afternoon, Roy.

[ayessa]

its 21:16 here.

good evening, Bran Lorenzo Lucino.

[Lorenzo]

lol. hahaha, my day just started (done with classes) and yours is about to end. lol

How is Germany? How was your day, mi amigo?

[ayessa]

Had a consultation with my professor at 12- 14.  We discussed on appropriate statistical tests to be used for ordinal data, not normally distributed.

[Lorenzo]

2 hours isn't too bad. I had Biochem from 8-10; then Med Physiology from 10-12. Went with a lady friend to get some coffee from 12:20-1pm. nice one too, lol.
Finished the day with a long lecture for Med Gen from 1:30-3pm.

The day is done. Going out with some guys tonight to some post-exam gathering. The girl that I have a crush on in class will be there tonight, raba.
hahaha, so let me ask. What should I wear? Khakis and a polo w/ a black belt? Or should I go more semi-formal?

[glacier_71]

2 hours isn't too bad. I had Biochem from 8-10; then Med Physiology from 10-12. Went with a lady friend to get some coffee from 12:20-1pm. nice one too, lol.
Finished the day with a long lecture for Med Gen from 1:30-3pm.

The day is done. Going out with some guys tonight to some post-exam gathering. The girl that I have a crush on in class will be there tonight, raba.
hahaha, so let me ask. What should I wear? Khakis and a polo w/ a black belt? Or should I go more semi-formal?

did your crush see how you dressed up for her, enz? hope she did. lol.