Author Topic: The Philippines: 51st State of the United States of America? (Read 92335 times)

Lorenzo · « **on:** July 30, 2008, 10:46:57 AM »

The question has been asked time and time again by Filipinos as well as Americans.

And I thought about it actually during a talk I had with some of my friends this week. It is undeniable that the standard of living in the United States of America is one of the highest in the western world; being the Only Hyper Power of the world and the greatest economic power to ever exist, this cannot be denied.

So the question is, would it be better had the Philippines been matriculated and assimilated in the United States of America; made into the 51st state?

I talked about this with friends; and I have a friend who is Puerto Rican, who voiced out his opposition to it; claiming that the Philippines would loose its nationhood. But I also voiced out to Fernando, a friend, that Puerto Rico itself benefits from America.

He remarked, "But Puerto Rico isn't an American state."

And i replied him, "Yes, but it is an American territory; with all Puerto Ricans given American citizenship. Are exempt from taxation from America, enjoy the American dollar and billions of dollars of investment and American military protection. With all Puerto Ricans given the rights as any American citizen. "

He did not answer back. And he knows this is true.

Puerto Rico, like the Philippines and Cuba, were one of the possessions that was lost to the United States from Spain during the Spanish-American War of 1898.

I just wonder how the Philippines would be like had it become the 51st state or a territory of the United States.

I mean think about it, these are things to been considered:

1) All Filipinos would be given American citizenship, and rights as all Americans under the constitution of the United States

2) The Philippines would be the target of massive American investments; to develop the islands; educational growth, logistic growth per se domestic infrastructure; tourism; natural resources etc.

3) A good percentage of the American population would be of 'Filipino' ancestry. Filipinos would actually be a major ethnic group of American society.

4) The Philippines, by right of statehood, would be enjoy higher standard of living and cost of life as compared to its neighbours.

5) Military umbrella. As a state, no nation would dare step on Philippine soil; as it would be 'American' soil.

6) Filipinos would have free range to travel; and to move to any state or territory of the United States of America.

What do you guys think? Your views?

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musiclover0526 · « **Reply #1 on:** July 30, 2008, 12:50:18 PM »

yup...ok nga yan...kaso mawalan ng makurakot ang gobyerno..lolzz

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ms da binsi · « **Reply #2 on:** July 30, 2008, 01:10:51 PM »

di ba diay ang Puerto Rico?

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Macky Ferniz · « **Reply #3 on:** July 30, 2008, 02:36:14 PM »

I really don't know.

I am patriotic, but on the other hand I saw suffering, corruption, high cost of education, scam, malnutrition, etc.

Just imagine what would be the scenario, should the Philippines became the 51st State. Perhaps I would visit my causins in Michigan this weekend and drop by at Bella's mansion, ride a Greyhound to SF, to have sikwati breakfast with Grazie, Hapon & meet their relative Sigfried my classmate for a drink. Then proceed to my brother in Long Beach for a fishing and kinilaw.

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grazie7y · « **Reply #4 on:** July 30, 2008, 02:56:58 PM »

I really don't know.

I am patriotic, but on the other hand I saw suffering, corruption, high cost of education, scam, malnutrition, etc.

Just imagine what would be the scenario, should the Philippines became the 51st State. Perhaps I would visit my causins in Michigan this weekend and drop by at Bella's mansion, ride a Greyhound to SF, to have sikwati breakfast with Grazie, Hapon & meet their relative Sigfried my classmate for a drink. Then proceed to my brother in Long Beach for a fishing and kinilaw.

Hahahah busy body kaayo ka, Macks! But yes, Murage and I and Hapon and Kim, Smiffy and my aunt and uncle would love to have you as our guest and your family too. By the way, Siegfred is in Manila PAL office.

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Macky Ferniz · « **Reply #5 on:** July 30, 2008, 03:02:46 PM »

Abi nako naa diha si Sig. The last time I saw him is 1996 when my Visa was expired and I have to travel to Manila for extension. I saw him with a white pilot's uniform inspecting some cargo. We just wave hands kay busy siya and on duty.

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grazie7y · « **Reply #6 on:** July 30, 2008, 03:03:46 PM »

Just like Macky, I am also patriotic but I think it could have been better for Filipinos to be part of the United States of America with the benefits Dodong Bran enumerated below. Most opponents of having Philippines as part of the USA are still pride-driven. Pride, that to my opinion is misguided. We have been freed from being colonized by Spain and yet we are still slaves to our old system of palakasan that further led to corruption. These opponents hate America and yet they brag about having been to America and have clothings and buy products that are "stateside".

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simplylee · « **Reply #7 on:** July 30, 2008, 03:09:57 PM »

yup...ok nga yan...kaso mawalan ng makurakot ang gobyerno..lolzz

ngano walay corruption sa USA?

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grazie7y · « **Reply #8 on:** July 30, 2008, 03:31:39 PM »

Abi nako naa diha si Sig. The last time I saw him is 1996 when my Visa was expired and I have to travel to Manila for extension. I saw him with a white pilot's uniform inspecting some cargo. We just wave hands kay busy siya and on duty.

Macks, naa pa diha sa Manila si Sig. Ning anhi lang to sya para magbakasyon. Tigpauli man pod yata na sya'g Bohol. Free man na ilang fare sa plane unya naa pod na sila free international flights.

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musiclover0526 · « **Reply #9 on:** July 30, 2008, 06:10:55 PM »

ngano walay corruption sa USA?

awww naa dia pod didto?...at least d kaau grabe tingali ...hehe..luoy atong mga politiko ani,mga puti na ang mo kurakot...haha

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Macky Ferniz · « **Reply #10 on:** July 30, 2008, 06:33:15 PM »

Sakto ka Mel. Dili malikayan naa gihapon ang kurakot sa America apan once nga masakpan, lagpot dayon sa katungdanan. So dili grabe ang kurakot.

Permi nag kinto ang mga public servant sa US. Bisan gamay nga bikil lagpot dayon, bisan na sayop lang siya sa sulti. Even past mistakes can be used to overthrow a person in public service.

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janjan · « **Reply #11 on:** July 30, 2008, 10:40:50 PM »

ajo pa kay pinas kay no.1 na baja mga corrupt country

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #12 on:** July 30, 2008, 11:36:53 PM »

Originally, I was against Philippine assimilation into the United States of America, for nationhood sake. But as time wore on and as I am exposed at the seemingly hopeless situation on the ground in terms of political liability and economic woes in the Philippines; I became rather interested in the possibilities had the Philippines been assimilated.

The Filipino people would never have to fear 'job losses' or economic woes due to excess population due to the presence of the welfare system here in the United States. If a family is under economic woes; they would be eligible for welfare support by the United States government, which will provide for the given family.

No child, no Filipino child would be limited due to his or her economic status. Education is universal and mandated by the American Eagle.

Even if one is born poor; he or she, by right of intelligence would be able to attend high school, college, graduate schools (medical, law, graduate) by use of collegiate loans, which they would be entitled to pay after graduation. Nonetheless, the opportunities is there.

Standard of living would be high! I have visited Guam, Puerto Rico before and all these territories are American territory. Standard of living there is extremely high. A result of American 'territoryhood'. Can you imagine had the Philippines become a state?

The Philippines itself is a massive archipelago; and would have been divided into probably a good 5-10 states.

And the Filipino population of 92 Million people. This would have been our advantage, being part of the United States.

Think about it; right now there are 300 million Americans. 70% of Americans are White-Caucasians; 12.5% are Latino; 12.5% are African Black and the rest are Asian or mixed ancestry.

Had the Philippines been part of the United States, the Filipino ethnicity would be a majority in American society; almost equal in number as that of White-Americans.

This is power. This means more representatives in the House of Representatives in US Congress for Philippine State(s). This means power and number of influence in the American Senate!

By this right; within a mere 3-5 decades, there would be a considerable amount of Americans who are either fully Filipino or have Filipino ancestry.

With this, being 'Filipino' would be the same as being 'American'. Two in One. Similar to China's '2 governments but 1 country' system.

One can only think and ponder of the possibilities.

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #13 on:** July 30, 2008, 11:41:34 PM »

ngano walay corruption sa USA?

There is corruption in the United States, but not as high as other countries.

The reasons for this is the prevalence of watch dogs and internal security; the FBI, CIA, and the presence of the Ever-Hungry IRS.

Uncle Sam is a voracious tax-eater. Uncle Sam will file a lawsuit if you even fail to account $100 of your tax revenue; and would be subject to court fees, additional charges and the original $100 fees.

No one is exempt from taxes; not even the President of the United States of America.

Many corrupt senators and congressmen were booted out of office and into Federal Prison due to the IRS's uncovering of illegal and 'questionable' financial exchanges.

Bribery, is a big 'NO NO' here in the United States.

In America, the need to retain credibility, visibility, and responsibility, and honesty is prime.

If one violates this, he or she will loose his or her constituent's support. Loose that and your power base is destroyed.

Look at what happened to the once popular Senator Santorum of Pennsylvania.

America is always the Model Democratic State. Her pillars work.

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #14 on:** July 30, 2008, 11:51:46 PM »

awww naa dia pod didto?...at least d kaau grabe tingali ...hehe..luoy atong mga politiko ani,mga puti na ang mo kurakot...haha

The problem with Philippine politics is that there is no transparency; too much 'pork barreling'.

The problem with Philippine politics is that the internal security can be bribed to ' look the other way.'

If you have this kind of problem, the entire system is flawed. And that is the problem with politics in the Philippines; it is just flawed. Everyone, from the local municipal level to the provincia and to the national level works in a flawed and corrupt system.

It's the sad and honest truth.

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ms da binsi · « **Reply #15 on:** July 31, 2008, 12:15:32 AM »

Sakto ka Mel. Dili malikayan naa gihapon ang kurakot sa America apan once nga masakpan, lagpot dayon sa katungdanan. So dili grabe ang kurakot.

Permi nag kinto ang mga public servant sa US. Bisan gamay nga bikil lagpot dayon, bisan na sayop lang siya sa sulti. Even past mistakes can be used to overthrow a person in public service.

Mackz, i knew someone nga nag trabaho sa Deparment of Motor Vehicle, mao na diri lukatanan ug drivers license, dayun nangurakot sha kay ang mga walay papel gitagaan nija ug DL nga bajad sad ambot pila, so nabaw-an sha sa DMV head, gilagpot jud sha, house arrest sa Pinas (kay papaulion man diay ka ug asa ka gikan) dala ang mga relatives nga preha ug apelyedo...wa na dayun sha naka work. Naka balik naman sila diri pero lahi na ija work. Back to basics na sha, ang uban nga na deport paryente nija wa kabalik...

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musiclover0526 · « **Reply #16 on:** July 31, 2008, 02:55:46 AM »

Sakto ka Mel. Dili malikayan naa gihapon ang kurakot sa America apan once nga masakpan, lagpot dayon sa katungdanan. So dili grabe ang kurakot.

Permi nag kinto ang mga public servant sa US. Bisan gamay nga bikil lagpot dayon, bisan na sayop lang siya sa sulti. Even past mistakes can be used to overthrow a person in public service.

maau didto kay dali ra tingali ang pagdakop anang mga makasala nga mga naa sa gobyerno.diri sa pinas dugay pa kaau ang hearing hearing..ni ginansya na ang ilang nakurakot wala pa gyud madakpi...hahaha

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musiclover0526 · « **Reply #17 on:** July 31, 2008, 02:57:59 AM »

nagsugod tingali ni sa vote buying?mao nga og makadaug mamawi sila?...hehehe

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bol-anon_ko · « **Reply #18 on:** July 31, 2008, 03:01:46 AM »

yup...ok nga yan...kaso mawalan ng makurakot ang gobyerno..lolzz

sure kaha ka? master kaayu in d arts of kurakot ang pinoy.. basin unya ang America maoy matakdan kun himuong 51st state ang Pinas.. dnha btaw mga mayor sa Carson City, California.. 2 jud ka mayor nag pinoy.. aw kalouy sa Diyos na priso tungod sa Graft and Corruption.. bsan asa ibutang ang pinoy.. ambot ug nganu

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musiclover0526 · « **Reply #19 on:** July 31, 2008, 03:05:55 AM »

hahahaha...og ma state og america na ta,mga pinoy lang ba gihapon ang himoong leader?aww og mao na,way ayo gihapon..lolzzz

tinood na imong ingon cguro na basin ang america ang matakdan sa kurakot..makakat-on sa mga pinoy...hahaha

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ms da binsi · « **Reply #20 on:** July 31, 2008, 03:08:13 AM »

sure kaha ka? master kaayu in d arts of kurakot ang pinoy.. basin unya ang America maoy matakdan kun himuong 51st state ang Pinas.. dnha btaw mga mayor sa Carson City, California.. 2 jud ka mayor nag pinoy.. aw kalouy sa Diyos na priso tungod sa Graft and Corruption.. bsan asa ibutang ang pinoy.. ambot ug nganu

Mao jud Jez, naa pa man ko sa LA anang panahona! pastilan gidala man nila ang ilang kalidad diri. Pastilan pagka uwaw jud baja.

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musiclover0526 · « **Reply #21 on:** July 31, 2008, 03:09:03 AM »

hahahahaha

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bol-anon_ko · « **Reply #22 on:** July 31, 2008, 03:24:04 AM »

naa pod ko nahibal-an ingun ana nga DMV Belle, pinoy sad pabayad sa mga wlay papel.. Im not usre ug hangtud karun mao pa ba gihapon modus operandi ani tawhana.. dghan nuon pod cya natabangan pero mao lagi.. bsan asa pinoy gihapon.. bsan sa Phil Consulate sa LA.. dghan kaayung makasasaway nga pama-agi..

ang pinakamo-ot jud ddtu sa Manila.. while i was renewing my passport.. inig anha nimu sa DFA tagbu-on kag mga fixers... nya inig padung sulod na sa DFA susihon sa guard imoha passport kun ikaw ba jud dli fixer... mo ingun pa cla ayaw mo too ana mga fixer dnha sa gawas.. kabalo man diay cla naa fixer dra gawas cge pangilad sa mga tawu..ug nganu dli man cla kadakop anang mga tawhana.. naa ra jud sa gate dapit dghan kaayu.. mura man ug nahulog wla nay gahom atung gobyerno.. wla clay mabuhat bahin ana.. makalolo-oy atung gobyerno.. inutil kaayu

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musiclover0526 · « **Reply #23 on:** July 31, 2008, 03:26:17 AM »

hahayyyy

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Azile · « **Reply #24 on:** July 31, 2008, 03:42:38 AM »

ngano walay corruption sa USA?

Naa tuod corruption sa USA but unlike sa atong Pinas grabe kaayo ang kurakot.

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ms da binsi · « **Reply #25 on:** July 31, 2008, 03:47:11 AM »

naa pod ko nahibal-an ingun ana nga DMV Belle, pinoy sad pabayad sa mga wlay papel.. Im not usre ug hangtud karun mao pa ba gihapon modus operandi ani tawhana.. dghan nuon pod cya natabangan pero mao lagi.. bsan asa pinoy gihapon.. bsan sa Phil Consulate sa LA.. dghan kaayung makasasaway nga pama-agi..

ang pinakamo-ot jud ddtu sa Manila.. while i was renewing my passport.. inig anha nimu sa DFA tagbu-on kag mga fixers... nya inig padung sulod na sa DFA susihon sa guard imoha passport kun ikaw ba jud dli fixer... mo ingun pa cla ayaw mo too ana mga fixer dnha sa gawas.. kabalo man diay cla naa fixer dra gawas cge pangilad sa mga tawu..ug nganu dli man cla kadakop anang mga tawhana.. naa ra jud sa gate dapit dghan kaayu.. mura man ug nahulog wla nay gahom atung gobyerno.. wla clay mabuhat bahin ana.. makalolo-oy atung gobyerno.. inutil kaayu

Abi nimo ngano Jez? ang mga police nga na assign ana nga lugar mangayo sad ug "tong" it is just so sad nga wala na jud bili atong pamalaud! its so sickening!

Abi gud nimo ug wala lang jud unta sad magpa ilad, mawala baja na sila eventually.

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Azile · « **Reply #26 on:** July 31, 2008, 03:49:45 AM »

naa pod ko nahibal-an ingun ana nga DMV Belle, pinoy sad pabayad sa mga wlay papel.. Im not usre ug hangtud karun mao pa ba gihapon modus operandi ani tawhana.. dghan nuon pod cya natabangan pero mao lagi.. bsan asa pinoy gihapon.. bsan sa Phil Consulate sa LA.. dghan kaayung makasasaway nga pama-agi..

ang pinakamo-ot jud ddtu sa Manila.. while i was renewing my passport.. inig anha nimu sa DFA tagbu-on kag mga fixers... nya inig padung sulod na sa DFA susihon sa guard imoha passport kun ikaw ba jud dli fixer... mo ingun pa cla ayaw mo too ana mga fixer dnha sa gawas.. kabalo man diay cla naa fixer dra gawas cge pangilad sa mga tawu..ug nganu dli man cla kadakop anang mga tawhana.. naa ra jud sa gate dapit dghan kaayu.. mura man ug nahulog wla nay gahom atung gobyerno.. wla clay mabuhat bahin ana.. makalolo-oy atung gobyerno.. inutil kaayu

See this is just one of the reason why our country won't and go nowhere, kay daghan kaayo mga tawo nga bisan unsa nalang ang hunahunaan para makakwarta. Luoy kaayo ang mga tawo esp kadtong mga tawong nga nag trbaho ug taman aron lang mabuhi unya maangin sa mga tawong walay budhi.

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musiclover0526 · « **Reply #27 on:** July 31, 2008, 03:49:58 AM »

ang uban man gud mao naa mga fixer kay dili gusto mahago...mobayad sila..mao dili pod na mawala gyud..

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Azile · « **Reply #28 on:** July 31, 2008, 04:55:00 AM »

Wishlist lang ni akoa no siguro kung sakop ang pinas sa USA dili siguro kaayo lisod mangita ug trabaho kay makatravel man ta with US passport , there are a lot of job opportunity ,low in unemployment , or maybe less corruption in the gov't.
I totally agree with the original writer of this topic things would be different somehow.

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asianfairy · « **Reply #29 on:** July 31, 2008, 05:30:49 AM »

Ok raman unta ang Pilipinas bisan di himoong 51st state sa US kon maayo pa ang naglead sa atong nasod..kanang dili corrupt kay daghan baya ang Pinas ug mga natural resources nga pwede makahatag daghang tarbaho kon naa pay ayo nag lead.

Ang problema sa atoa kay atong mga leader ang ila ra giplano unsaon pagpangorap instead nga magplano unsaon pagtabang sa katawhan.

Pero nindot god unta kon free pa ang pagsod gawas diha sa USA para sa mga Filipino kay kadtong makaaford pamilite pwede permi mosuroy as ilang mga relatives kay daghan man gayod kaayo mga Filipino dihas USA ron nagpuyo.

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ms da binsi · « **Reply #30 on:** July 31, 2008, 05:52:37 AM »

Wishlist lang ni akoa no siguro kung sakop ang pinas sa USA dili siguro kaayo lisod mangita ug trabaho kay makatravel man ta with US passport , there are a lot of job opportunity ,low in unemployment , or maybe less corruption in the gov't.
I totally agree with the original writer of this topic things would be different somehow.

Azile, my husband always reminded me that "It was your fault Filipinos, because Americans wanted youto be one of the US our State, but your leaders strongly opposed it" ngek! hahah sigi jud ko nija ingnon ana..."See, you could've been the next Hawaii" insakto man sad.

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Macky Ferniz · « **Reply #31 on:** July 31, 2008, 07:47:31 AM »

How about someone to lobby in the US Senate for Annexation of Bohol. Aw apil diay pod Leyte for Ginger. Dako baya kaayo ug historical significance sa America ang Bohol ug ang Leyte. Ang usa sa nagpalanding nila ni Mc Arthur, akong tiyo Teodoro Ferniz nga lumad taga Bohol, maguwang sa akong papa. Boy Scout lang sila adtong panahuna ug kung wala sila mag himo ug bon fire nga maoy beacon ni McArthur, siguro mo sangad to ilang warship and the famous words "I shall return" would have remain a promise.

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #32 on:** July 31, 2008, 10:10:35 AM »

If you ask American historians and politicians, they will reiterate the importance of the Philippines in American national security. The Philippines is strategically located; it is in the middle of the South China Sea, yet within the realm of the Asian Continent yet at the same time in the pacific. Making an invasion nearly impossible without the presence of a large navy to transport troops.

The Philippines' natural resources have yet to been 'harvested'. One of the major resources that the United States took advantage during its presence in the Philippines from 1898 till 1946 was the vast coal reserves in the Philippines. Not to mention zinc, copper, tungsten, gold and diamonds.

Do I think the United States will ever allow the Philippines to fall into disarray? Never.

The United States wants a strategic hold of the Philippines. It is already consolidating its presence in the Philippines with military bases in Mindanao.

To answer the comment that Ate Belle mentioned about Philippine assimilatory processes; it would have been manifested.

The United States would have allowed the Philippine States to retain their indigenous and regional languages; but English would have been made the official language. The Lingua Franca, so to say.

When I was in Puerto Rico, the island itself is fully developed. The cost of living in Puerto Rico, surprisingly, is more expensive that in Mainland USA. The United States has allowed Puerto Rico to retain Spanish as their domestic language but every Puerto Rican speaks English because Puerto Rican schools teach English. And all students repeat the American Pledge of allegiance. Puerto Rico, as a result, enjoys billions upon billions of US Dollars worth in investment.

As a result, Puerto Rico has become a major tourist hot spot for the United States.

The Philippines would have experienced such benefits. The Philippines is a large archipelago so it would have been realistic to see the Philippines divided into 10 states. Many Americans would probably migrate and move to the Philippines; as we know that the Philippines' environment super-exceeds that of Hawaii. And Americans flock to Hawaii to move there. Imagine how the Philippines would be like.

Domestic industry would grow and explode due to American investment; billions if not trillions of dollars would be invested in the Philippines.

The United States would never have to fear of a 'medical frailty' due to the innumerable amount of Filipino nurses and physicians ready to step up. Business-wise it would be beneficial for both the United States and the Philippines.

America would benefit entirely because there would be 92 million citizens that would be paying American taxes. This is a new source of income for Uncle Sam. Think about it.

Do I think it would work? Of course. The PHilippines is already very fluent in English and the relationship the Philippines has with America is very warm. Compared to any other Asian country.

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #33 on:** July 31, 2008, 10:15:47 AM »

Azile, my husband always reminded me that "It was your fault Filipinos, because Americans wanted youto be one of the US our State, but your leaders strongly opposed it" ngek! hahah sigi jud ko nija ingnon ana..."See, you could've been the next Hawaii" insakto man sad.

This is true. In 1934, Manuel Quezon led a Philippine Independence Mission to the United States Congress to secure the independence of the Philippines from the United States in 1946. Due to the overwhelming amount of pro-independence supporters, Congress ratified the Tydings-McDuffie Act. The Tydings-McDuffie Act guaranteed Philippine Independence from the United States in 1946.

There were many members in the United States Congress and Senate who were against the Act as they had ambitions in making the Philippines into an 'integral' part of the United States of America.

Many wanted to make the Philippines into an American State; and guaranteeing the Filipinos with the gift of American Citizenship.

Quezon and supporters rejected it.

America's presence in the Philippines was very economical, and I personally cannot deny it. Though I hold a semblance of anger to the United States for its war-mongery during the Philippine-American War in 1898, I cannot deny that the United States did propel the Philippines to economic superpowerdom.

By the time the Philippines became independent, she was the 2nd richest nation in Asia. Second only to Japan at the time. Due to the amount of billions of dollars invested by the USA. Manila was then known as the 'Pearl of the Orient'.

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #34 on:** July 31, 2008, 10:29:01 AM »

How about someone to lobby in the US Senate for Annexation of Bohol. Aw apil diay pod Leyte for Ginger. Dako baya kaayo ug historical significance sa America ang Bohol ug ang Leyte. Ang usa sa nagpalanding nila ni Mc Arthur, akong tiyo Teodoro Ferniz nga lumad taga Bohol, maguwang sa akong papa. Boy Scout lang sila adtong panahuna ug kung wala sila mag himo ug bon fire nga maoy beacon ni McArthur, siguro mo sangad to ilang warship and the famous words "I shall return" would have remain a promise.

Mr. Ferniz,

I volunteer in the local hospital and I am always honored to meet American elderly citizens there. One individual who I know personally who is in hospice care right now, was an American veteran of World War II.

This individual asked me if I was Filipino. I smiled and said yes, and he began to tell me his story of his experiences in World War II. This man was there in Guadalcanal, and part of the Marine Corp that landed in Leyte Gulf in 1944.

His words was, "God Bless the Filipino people for what they did for us Americans."

He told me of his story how he heard Filipinos getting abused and killed for helping the American soldiers; and he told me how he heard one time Filipino babies were bayonetted by 'Japs'. He said this in his own words. And as he told me his story, I noticed that he was crying and shaking.

It hit me then and there how much the Filipino people helped and made an impact on our American elderly citizens; the WWII vets who were in the Pacific.

They always say, "God bless the Filipinos."

It always touches me to hear them say that.

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ms da binsi · « **Reply #35 on:** July 31, 2008, 10:40:51 AM »

Sus Dodong nag review jud ko sa akong Social Studies...tsk tsk! mahagbong jud ko ani! sus si Manuel L quezon man diay naka ingon noh? Kay during his time ang Pinas man ang pinaka dato among asian countries diay! sus karon na unsa na!

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #36 on:** July 31, 2008, 10:48:50 AM »

Yes, 'te.

During the time of Quezon, 'te, the Philippine Peso was even worth more than the American Dollar.

The Philippines, during the 20s and 30s era was not even touched by the Great Depression, as it enjoyed a favorable trade with China, Dutch Malaccas, British Malaya, British India, the United States and Latin American world.

The Philippines was the 'enviable' port of Asia. This is one of the main reasons why Japan targetted the Philippines in its conquest; one they wanted to remove the United States from Asia (and the United States had over 100,000 troops in the Philippines at the time) and secondly, the Philippines was a rich territory.

When I took American History in college, there was one song that our professor played in class, which was entitled, "My Filipina Baby". The song was about an American soldier who fell in love with a Filipina girl. It makes a strong relation to the cultural diction both countries played on each other.

World War II paralyzed the Philippines. The war ruined the growing Philippine industry; which was exploding during the 1930s.

Historically, one has Japan to blame for all the problems in the Philippines. They displaced populations, practically destroyed the City of Manila, which was the largest and richest city in Asia during the 1940s.

It is estimated that over 1,000,000 Filipinos died in World War II. And the Philippines' merchant marine was practically wiped out.

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ms da binsi · « **Reply #37 on:** July 31, 2008, 10:52:55 AM »

yeah tinuod jud, naka bangon naman unta ta Dodong pero gi sundan naman ni Marcos, sa panahon na ni Marcos nga nahigup jud ang atong mga datung. Maka numdom man ko sa una Dodong nga naay uban mga foreign traders dili madajun sa Pinas kay mangayo man ug bahin si Macoy, and that is very true. Every big businesses, Marcos had some share.

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #38 on:** July 31, 2008, 11:05:35 AM »

That is true, Ate Belle. So very true.

Marcos undeniably had a massive role in the destruction of Philippine economics.

It was Marcos' unparalleled 'Borrowing' nature that doomed Philippine economics. We became too dependent on borrowing money from foreign banks, allowing us to be crippled in debt.

Marcos's cronies also took advantage of the Philippines' monetary reserves and pocketing billions of Pesos. To the detriment of the Filipino people; the few benefited but the entire country suffered.

Personal Remark

Ate Belle, I think that the Philippines shouldn't have been so hasty in obtaining independence in 1946. It was too soon.

We received independence only 2 years after the ending of World War II, not enough ample time for the development of infrastructure. Problem number One.

The Philippines should have remained an American Protectorate for at least 10-15 years, and allowed the United States to implement internal growth and investment. The United States would have funded for the entire development of the Philippines. We did not see this in foresight.

The country became independent too soon after the ending of the war; by that time not enough were in public service; many had died in the war. Not enough men were in the military; as the country's Philippine Scouts were only numbered in the thousands.

By the time of independence there was no 'Philippine Navy' only a squadron or two of surface ships; there was no 'Philippine Air Force' only a squadron of fighter planes.

It would have been wiser to remain an American Protectorate until say 1960, that way there would have been enough time to develop the navy, the air force, and the ground infantry; and enough American investment to secure Philippine economic sovereignty.

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That is why when the Philippines gained independence, not enough was done to fix the living standards of many people; hence the eruption of HUK rebellion, the Moro Wars in the south and the NPA rebellion.

It is a result of 'too-quick' of an independence.

We suffer now as a result of our mistakes in the past.

And what terrible a mistake it has been.

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Azile · « **Reply #39 on:** July 31, 2008, 11:12:56 AM »

When my husband saw this topic , he said in a loud voice no way!he said never happened that Phil will become a 51st state.
Deep in my heart i wish we are part of the USA for all the sake and things would be different then. But hey then we don't have this forum right?

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #40 on:** July 31, 2008, 11:17:32 AM »

Ms. Azile,

Pray may I ask what are the reasons your husband has against the Philippines becoming a state?

Interested lang ko to hear his reasons.

Yours,

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Azile · « **Reply #41 on:** July 31, 2008, 11:41:29 AM »

Mr Lorezo he has nothing against Philippines he love Phil he even wanted to retire there and maybe started business just like 7-11 but i discourage him due to what i heard and observed there , i am forever Pinay , pero misamot ug kalisod karon kaysa niadto.Sa amoa lang daghan na kaayo ug kawat dili gani ko kagawas kon walay uban, samot na kong ako bana adto.
So maybe some Americans feels that way i can't speak for themselves but this is just an assessment now lets back to the topic i love this one hopefully positive things will come out.

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #42 on:** July 31, 2008, 11:57:41 AM »

Ms. Azile,

Thank you for the reply. Am glad you like this thread. I am interested in reading other peoples' views on the matter, as well.

Pleasure to make your acquaintance.

Best,

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ms da binsi · « **Reply #43 on:** July 31, 2008, 12:30:50 PM »

Mr Lorezo he has nothing against Philippines he love Phil he even wanted to retire there and maybe started business just like 7-11 but i discourage him due to what i heard and observed there , i am forever Pinay , pero misamot ug kalisod karon kaysa niadto.Sa amoa lang daghan na kaayo ug kawat dili gani ko kagawas kon walay uban, samot na kong ako bana adto.
So maybe some Americans feels that way i can't speak for themselves but this is just an assessment now lets back to the topic i love this one hopefully positive things will come out.

Beth, welcome to the club, si banana di jud mo adto samot na ug mag hisgut ug retire! asa mo sugot! pastilan, i cant blame him jud kay sigi man sha maka dungog ug balita nga naay gipang kidnap ug uban pa. Ako bitaw giingnan nga mag negos nalang ta didto, ingon sad sha "are you put of your mind?" "When i retire im retiring and not to create another headache" hahahha pastilan jud.

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musiclover0526 · « **Reply #44 on:** July 31, 2008, 01:30:03 PM »

Wishlist lang ni akoa no siguro kung sakop ang pinas sa USA dili siguro kaayo lisod mangita ug trabaho kay makatravel man ta with US passport , there are a lot of job opportunity ,low in unemployment , or maybe less corruption in the gov't.
I totally agree with the original writer of this topic things would be different somehow.

yup yup yup

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musiclover0526 · « **Reply #45 on:** July 31, 2008, 01:31:00 PM »

Ok raman unta ang Pilipinas bisan di himoong 51st state sa US kon maayo pa ang naglead sa atong nasod..kanang dili corrupt kay daghan baya ang Pinas ug mga natural resources nga pwede makahatag daghang tarbaho kon naa pay ayo nag lead.

Ang problema sa atoa kay atong mga leader ang ila ra giplano unsaon pagpangorap instead nga magplano unsaon pagtabang sa katawhan.

Pero nindot god unta kon free pa ang pagsod gawas diha sa USA para sa mga Filipino kay kadtong makaaford pamilite pwede permi mosuroy as ilang mga relatives kay daghan man gayod kaayo mga Filipino dihas USA ron nagpuyo.

aron maduaw na nako si.........lolz

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musiclover0526 · « **Reply #46 on:** July 31, 2008, 01:31:43 PM »

Azile, my husband always reminded me that "It was your fault Filipinos, because Americans wanted youto be one of the US our State, but your leaders strongly opposed it" ngek! hahah sigi jud ko nija ingnon ana..."See, you could've been the next Hawaii" insakto man sad.

korekkk ..og guam pod d ba,,,

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ms da binsi · « **Reply #47 on:** July 31, 2008, 01:34:14 PM »

aron maduaw na nako si.........lolz

...Bush! ambisyosa jud!

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musiclover0526 · « **Reply #48 on:** July 31, 2008, 01:36:25 PM »

Yes, 'te.

During the time of Quezon, 'te, the Philippine Peso was even worth more than the American Dollar.

The Philippines, during the 20s and 30s era was not even touched by the Great Depression, as it enjoyed a favorable trade with China, Dutch Malaccas, British Malaya, British India, the United States and Latin American world.

The Philippines was the 'enviable' port of Asia. This is one of the main reasons why Japan targetted the Philippines in its conquest; one they wanted to remove the United States from Asia (and the United States had over 100,000 troops in the Philippines at the time) and secondly, the Philippines was a rich territory.

When I took American History in college, there was one song that our professor played in class, which was entitled, "My Filipina Baby". The song was about an American soldier who fell in love with a Filipina girl. It makes a strong relation to the cultural diction both countries played on each other.

World War II paralyzed the Philippines. The war ruined the growing Philippine industry; which was exploding during the 1930s.

Historically, one has Japan to blame for all the problems in the Philippines. They displaced populations, practically destroyed the City of Manila, which was the largest and richest city in Asia during the 1940s.

It is estimated that over 1,000,000 Filipinos died in World War II. And the Philippines' merchant marine was practically wiped out.

ako bitaw estoryahan ang mga hapon bahin ana..maulaw baya sila...hahahah

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Azile · « **Reply #49 on:** August 01, 2008, 04:52:02 AM »

Ms. Azile,

Thank you for the reply. Am glad you like this thread. I am interested in reading other peoples' views on the matter, as well.

Pleasure to make your acquaintance.

Best,

Mr Lorenzo "the wise men never ceases to learn" i really like that i think that reflect to your insight and outlook of life.Keep posting interesting thread and thank you.

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musiclover0526 · « **Reply #50 on:** August 01, 2008, 04:55:34 AM »

...Bush! ambisyosa jud!

d nako type si bush...hahhaha..ako duawon si jackie chan...lolss

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Azile · « **Reply #51 on:** August 01, 2008, 04:59:52 AM »

Beth, welcome to the club, si banana di jud mo adto samot na ug mag hisgut ug retire! asa mo sugot! pastilan, i cant blame him jud kay sigi man sha maka dungog ug balita nga naay gipang kidnap ug uban pa. Ako bitaw giingnan nga mag negos nalang ta didto, ingon sad sha "are you put of your mind?" "When i retire im retiring and not to create another headache" hahahha pastilan jud.

Ms da binsi sa una dako ako pangandoy nga mopuyo adto sa Bohol karon medyo nagkahanap pareha imo banana ,ang ako usab daghan ug rason anyway i just hope and pray every election nga hatagan ta ug mga leader nga dili corrupt .Pero unsaon man sab ning atong mga voters oi nga dili man wise enough whom to vote. Kumusta nalang Ms da binsi and May God Bless.

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Macky Ferniz · « **Reply #52 on:** August 03, 2008, 07:07:42 AM »

During the 70s or 80s, I was in elementary grades. It was a time of chaos when the Marcos government starts to crumble. Then there was this radio commentator Aquilino Pimentel who proposed that statehood to the USA is the only solution of the then 9:1 peso vs. dollar slide. Needless to mention now as it is frustrating.

So, back to the topic, Pimentel become a successful politician due to this stand. However, at present situation, given his power and wealth, I don't think he could afford to say "I am for statehood". Since he became a Senator and in power, everything seems to be forgotten. Infact just recently he sponsored a bill for Philippines to become a Federal Republic, which is an exact copy of the US system. This means he does not only reversed his stand of US statehood, but to compete the system by copying it.

Well, I lost faith of our leaders. I don't know whom to believe anymore. I don't know if a leader is really patriotic, really sincere or just for self interest and power.

So, I believe President William McKinley was right in his famous words:

"We cannot give the Philippines back to the Pilipinos to run because, they are incapable of self-rule and self-governance.Therefore, I have decided that the Philippines will be annexed to the Map of the USA, and there it will stay, for as long as I am president."

Unfortunately, McKinley was assassinated shortly after he won his presidential election. Bright future died with him.

However, I have a trickle of hope left. That only hope is a man who has everything now in the US. But due to his pure concern to the fate of his nation, he will come back to the Phils to serve/run for office and implement reforms. He is not only one but many. These are the men and women whos concience could not stand to watch a dying country. We are the OFWs.

I am not a good writer folks, but I hope my thoughts are well understood.

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Azile · « **Reply #53 on:** August 04, 2008, 01:39:22 AM »

During the 70s or 80s, I was in elementary grades. It was a time of chaos when the Marcos government starts to crumble. Then there was this radio commentator Aquilino Pimentel who proposed that statehood to the USA is the only solution of the then 9:1 peso vs. dollar slide. Needless to mention now as it is frustrating.

So, back to the topic, Pimentel become a successful politician due to this stand. However, at present situation, given his power and wealth, I don't think he could afford to say "I am for statehood". Since he became a Senator and in power, everything seems to be forgotten. Infact just recently he sponsored a bill for Philippines to become a Federal Republic, which is an exact copy of the US system. This means he does not only reversed his stand of US statehood, but to compete the system by copying it.

Well, I lost faith of our leaders. I don't know whom to believe anymore. I don't know if a leader is really patriotic, really sincere or just for self interest and power.

So, I believe President William McKinley was right in his famous words:

"We cannot give the Philippines back to the Pilipinos to run because, they are incapable of self-rule and self-governance.Therefore, I have decided that the Philippines will be annexed to the Map of the USA, and there it will stay, for as long as I am president."

Unfortunately, McKinley was assassinated shortly after he won his presidential election. Bright future died with him.

However, I have a trickle of hope left. That only hope is a man who has everything now in the US. But due to his pure concern to the fate of his nation, he will come back to the Phils to serve/run for office and implement reforms. He is not only one but many. These are the men and women whos concience could not stand to watch a dying country. We are the OFWs.

I am not a good writer folks, but I hope my thoughts are well understood.

Amen to that Mr Macky, Mao nay giingon nga makuha na gani ang ilahang gipangandoy sa politics mawala na ang ilahang gipamulong , vanish like a wink of an eye, wala gyoy konsinsiya no?

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Azile · « **Reply #54 on:** August 04, 2008, 03:35:10 AM »

OOps i made and error i am meaning to say "blink of an eye" sorry Ladies and Gentlemen.

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ms da binsi · « **Reply #55 on:** August 04, 2008, 04:36:48 AM »

That i would go home and vote! honest! naa gani mo tunol nako ako jud insultohon! bisan kinsa pa sha! haaah!

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Macky Ferniz · « **Reply #56 on:** August 04, 2008, 06:10:01 AM »

That i would go home and vote! honest! naa gani mo tunol nako ako jud insultohon! bisan kinsa pa sha! haaah!

Since long back, there is what we call Absentee Voting in the Philippine Embassy in Key cities around the world.

Tungod niining Absentee Voting, nabuhi pag-usab ang interest sa mga Filipinos nga citizens na sa ilang bag-ong nasud. Nahatagan pag usab ug hope ang Pilipinas tungod niini nga pagpakabana sa mga OF's and OFWs.

Kung maikomparar sa usa ka pamilya nga mi lakaw ang ginikanan kay nangompra, mi ingon ang mama sa kinamaguwangan nga anak "Mo lakaw sa ko kay mangompra ko", "Bantayi baya ang imong mga manghod", bantayi ang balay, ayaw pasulod ug mga tao". Apan pag balik sa inahan, nagkabulingit ang mga bata, nagkagubot ang balay, wala mag dung-ag ang maguwang ug gipang gutom ang mga manghod.

Karong mangutana ko ninyo, unsa man ang himoon sa ginikanan. Syempre iyang latoson ug kasab-an ang kinamaguwangan nga anak nga iyang gitogahan sa responsibilidad.

Mao ra pod ni ang situwasyon sa mga OFW nga mi langyaw mi sa laing lugar sa pangandoy nga mo usad ang kinabuhi. Nagpadala mi ug remittances nga maoy nag buhi sa economiya. Apan sa among pagbalik sa yutang natawhan, nagkaguliya ang dagan, ang proceeds sa among mga remittance wala gi tunong ug gamit ug gi waldas.

So unsa man ang among buhaton as OFW? Syempre mang latigo mi sa mga leaders nga nakaingon nga nagkaguliya ang dagan sa atong nasod.

Balik ta sa topic, kung dili pa gyud mo salir ning mga OFW, siguro ang Annexation na tingali sa USA ang solution. Like Puerto Rico, we will be given US citizenship, but we will remain an existing country. We will become like Hawaii, a tourist destination and retirement destination of the Americans.

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ms da binsi · « **Reply #57 on:** August 04, 2008, 06:17:52 AM »

Ganahan ko anang imong pamalandong (is that pamalandong?)Mackz! insakto jud na!

Anyhow, ug himuon pa unta ta nga 51st state, i think maka ginansya pa ang Amerika kay daghan ta mga maajo nga workers, workers that would pay taxes unlike Mexicans! Illegal workers baja ang usa nga naka purdoy sa Merika kay sigi lang gawas ang datung diri wa na ka circulate...

Ug ma 51st state na ta, unsaon man nang mga Abu Sayaf sa Mindanao? i genocide? They are one big problem sa USA, kay ning penitrate na raba ang Al Qaida diha, I dont know how true...

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Macky Ferniz · « **Reply #58 on:** August 04, 2008, 07:05:03 AM »

I guess Abu Sayaf and other forms of rebellion would die out naturally, even without military action. The logic is simple; if everyone is contempted, if living conditions are fair, there is no rebellion at first place. We have freedom of religion in the Philippines and I don't think there are hendrances in Islamic religion. Muslims will be given special treatment with no discrimination. Like in the US, they are well respected and with equal opportunities like any other Americans, there are Muslim professors, doctors, scientists, police, you name it.

No religion is preaching evil. It is human self interest that makes everything evil and the cause of all trouble.

Here is Saudi Arabia, we are working in harmony with Muslims for decades. Working in foreign culture teaches you humbleness, respect and open mindedness. Infact the Muslims are the closest twin of the Christians in terms of belief and prophets.

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ms da binsi · « **Reply #59 on:** August 04, 2008, 07:10:47 AM »

Bitaw noh? tinuod jud! mo sugot sad kaha ang Pinas nga mahimong state? wa naman tingali mo offer ang merika?

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Macky Ferniz · « **Reply #60 on:** August 04, 2008, 07:22:26 AM »

Bitaw noh? tinuod jud! mo sugot sad kaha ang Pinas nga mahimong state? wa naman tingali mo offer ang merika?

Tingali mahitabo na in times of extreme situations like Civil War. Like what happened in East Timor when their country is in civil chaos and Foreign governments must step in to intervene.

God forbid, if our situation leads us to civil war, the US can not just watch as we are allies. They must step in and intervene. As policy of the UN, a war torn country will be under a probationary rule of a host country until such time that the country can stand on its own. There is also an option weather to adopt that country after conducting a national referendum. Like what happened in Germany when the people/majority decided to join as one country.

Moreover, Philippines is in a very important strategic location that America wont allow us to fall in the wrong hands. Specially now that Iran and North Korea are developing ICBMs.

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #61 on:** August 04, 2008, 09:17:17 AM »

I agree with you, Mr. Ferniz, concerning the importance of the Philippines to the United States.

The Philippines is a strategic strong point for the United States; in fact it is considered the third triangular point for the United States in the pacific. In this triangular choke point, one point is Guam, which is a major American Naval Base with powerful offensive and defensive capabilities; the second choke point is Taiwan, which is home for the American 7th Naval Fleet.

The 'Third' choke point is in southern Philippines; which the United States has re-entered in the 21st century; creating bases in Basilan as well as in other parts of Southern Mindanao.

Warm relations with the Philippines is an 'utmost' strategy for American naval hegemony in the Pacific. Who ever controls the Philippines has influence in the South China Sea, the Western Pacific and to the very gates of the Malaccas Strait, one of the heaviest trade intersections in the world.

This is the very reason why Japan invaded American-held Philippines in 1942 in order to eradicate American presence in Japan's Pacific Empire. Additionally, control of the Philippines allowed Japan to consolidate its overseas empire and natural resources from Java and Dutch Malacaas--allowing merchant fleets to travel through Japanese-occupied Philippines without the fear of American attacks.

It is the very reason why Americans re-conquered the Philippines in 1944 from the Japanese. The Philippines was used as a bombing base for the United States in 1944. American B-52 Super Fortress Bombers were based in Manila and Clark; and flew their sorties to Japan to pulverize her cities into submission.

Philippines has always been critical and pivotal for American Military Hegemony in the Pacific.

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fdaray · « **Reply #62 on:** October 19, 2008, 12:25:44 PM »

With the question above, I answered I don't know.
Its a long process to become a state of the USA.
Its impossible to happen.
Its unconstitutional.

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bol-anon_ko · « **Reply #63 on:** October 22, 2008, 12:10:07 AM »

I guess Abu Sayaf and other forms of rebellion would die out naturally, even without military action. The logic is simple; if everyone is contempted, if living conditions are fair, there is no rebellion at first place. We have freedom of religion in the Philippines and I don't think there are hendrances in Islamic religion. Muslims will be given special treatment with no discrimination. Like in the US, they are well respected and with equal opportunities like any other Americans, there are Muslim professors, doctors, scientists, police, you name it.

No religion is preaching evil. It is human self interest that makes everything evil and the cause of all trouble.

Here is Saudi Arabia, we are working in harmony with Muslims for decades. Working in foreign culture teaches you humbleness, respect and open mindedness. Infact the Muslims are the closest twin of the Christians in terms of belief and prophets.

i dotn know how true, but ang nakpait lang Mack wla kay freedom of religion sa Saudi. tinuod ba nga dli daw ka pwede mangadye dra .. dakpon daw ka kun makit-an?

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Macky Ferniz · « **Reply #64 on:** October 22, 2008, 10:01:51 PM »

i dotn know how true, but ang nakpait lang Mack wla kay freedom of religion sa Saudi. tinuod ba nga dli daw ka pwede mangadye dra .. dakpon daw ka kun makit-an?

Mao lagi BNC, lisod kaayo dire. Mabuhi man unta ang imong lawas, apan patay ang imong kalag.

Kung makit-an ka nga magdala ug Bible, Rosary or any religious picture, ang punishment deportation. Mao nga mag tago-tago tawn mi dire nga mag practice sa Christianismo. Mura mi sa panahon sa mga apostles nga nag underground kay dakpon sa mga sundalo nga Romans.

Pero lately naay maayong development. Since namatay si King Fahad, nagpadala ang Pope ug representatives to Mecca to attend the burrial. Since then, the relations of Muslims and Catholics developed.

So, when Pope John Paul died, the new King of Saudi King Abdullah, the brother of late King Fahad went to Rome to be the representative of one of the seven Churches.

When Pope John Paul II died, he fulfilled his duty to unite the 7 Churches as mentioned in the New Testament because all representatives of the 7 Churches including Islamic, Orthodox, Protestant, Evangelical were there during the burial rights. He was the 1st Pope to unite the 7 churches with 100% attendance, but during his death.

After that, there were rumors that King Abdullah used to visit the Pope during his diplomatic trips to Europe and they become good friends.

Also a rumor spread from the Physical therapist of King Abdullah who is a Filipino that there is a plan to legalize Christianity in selected parts of Saudi Arabia where Churches for Catholics and Chapels for Protestants are allowed.

In my place called Al Khobar, there is a secret Catholic and protestant Church inside Aramco. Once the law is passed, this will be opened to the public. Like in Dubai, Bahrain and other Islamic countries where there is an open Church for Christians.

Actually, Saudi is a very holy place for us Christians because Mecca is where Abraham performed sacrificial lamb instead of his son. Also Mt. Sinai is found there.

Also, for the Muslims, Jerusalem is one of the 3 places they have to visit when they perform thier pilgrimage or Haj, but now it is controlled by the Jews and they can not come there. There is a building there where Muslims believed the location of the manger where Jesus was born. Half of the building is a Mosque for Muslims and half is a Church. This is the only building where christians and muslims pray together. Actually, Jerusalem was derived from the Arabic word Dar Al Salam, means House of Peace.

So I don't understand why Christians and Muslims are fighting in Mindanao. Infact, both are the closest Religion with very little difference in terms of teaching.

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fdaray · « **Reply #65 on:** October 23, 2008, 11:09:47 AM »

Being a corrupt and poor country, kadaghanan moingon na lang nga magpasakop
ta sa USA. Apan sa tinuod kita ang pinakadato sa Asia sa manpower ug natural
resources. Ang atong kwarta sa Pilipinas daghan kaayo. Tungod sa kadaghan gi-
corrupt sa mga opisyales sa atong govierno. Kay kon gamay ra ang atong kwarta,
wala na karon ang Pilipinas. It ramained a stable and strong republic. Gikan sa
panahon ni Marcos, rampant na ang corruption hangtod karon. Apan wala mahurot
ang panudlanan sa governo kay daghan ta ug kwarta. Tungod sa kadaghan, gi-
corruptna lang ang uban. Kon wala pay corruption, ang Pilipinas datu na kaayo
karon. Matud pa sa usa ka ecomomist, ang kwarta nga gi-corrupt nagtuyok-tuyok
ra sa Pilipinas, mao nga wala ta mapurdoy. Bisag dako ug utang buhi lang gihapon.

With regards to statehood movement, its an unreacheable star.

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alfonso_potane · « **Reply #66 on:** October 23, 2008, 11:14:25 AM »

tinud gyud no.. ag libot libot lang ang kwarta nga gikorakot pero nag kadako pod ang atong utang sa ubang kanasuran... hasta ang mga katawhan napuno sa mga credit crads... utang gihapon huhuhu...

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Macky Ferniz · « **Reply #67 on:** October 23, 2008, 09:41:16 PM »

Sir Felix,

Tinood nang imong gi ingon nga ang kwarta sa Pilipinas nag libot libot lang. But with the advent of Globalization during the Ramos and Arroyo Administration, delikado kaayo ang atong kahimtang kay imbis pareha ta sa usa ka baloon sa una nga ang hangin nag libot libot lang, karon pareha na ta sa baloon nga buslot ug nag hinay hinay na ug kahiyos ang atong wealth pagawas sa atong nasod. Let me explain.

Sa una naa ang kurakot, so naay na super millionaire, ug dunay na pordoy, apan ang kwarta sa nasod mao lang gihapon ug wala mogamay.

Sa karong panahona, mi sulod na ang mga Chinese, mga Koreans ug gi tugotan kini sa Administration due to Globalization. So ang kwarta sa mga pinoy ilang gi suyop pagawas sa nasod. Wala masunod ang 60/40 scheme nga ownership policy sa mga Foreign Corporations kay puede ra man bayran ang SEC. Perhaps SEC is full of personnel who doesn't have knowledge in economy 101. One proof of it is the recently drilled Oil in Palawan where 60% of it's proceeds will go to the financiers who are foreign owned, 30% will go to the Philippine Government and 10% will go to the contractors. Naunsa na man ni oi. Nabali na man ang Policy, imbis nga 60% Filipino ownership and 40% Foreign. Since, foreign ownership is 60% so they are the ones who decide where the oil will be sold, which is most probably to China being the most energy hungry nation in Asia. I heared the news nga ang OPEC aw PNOC diay (corrected sorry) mura pa ug nagpakilimos nga mihangyo nga baligyaan unta sa Oil nga gi drill sa Palawan, apan gi tubag sa mga owner sa corporation nga we will decide that matter. What? Na unsa na man ni oi!

Secondly, mas daghan pa ang atong import compared sa atong export, so in the long run, nagka gamay ang atong ekonomiya, nagkapobre ang Pilipinas due to Globalization.

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bol-anon_ko · « **Reply #68 on:** October 24, 2008, 12:20:59 AM »

Libug lang ko sa statement nmu Kuya Mack's. Nganu nihanyu man ang OPEC nga baligya-an cla sa OIL.. Isnt OPEC an Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries? They are very rich in OIL..why would they buy one from Palawan.. nganu magpakalouy man cla? kagamay ra sa OIL makuha sa Palawan compared to the OIL being produced by OPEC members..

Sir fdaray, tinuod dghan kwarata pilipinas nga gipangkurakot.. apan ang utang dli na matabang.. hagbay rang na remate ang pilipinas kung alahas pa ning gi-prenda..

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fdaray · « **Reply #69 on:** October 24, 2008, 08:27:26 AM »

Tungod sa 12% EVAT dako kaayo ug kitaon ang governo, mao nga dili gyud
ta mapurdoy kay dako tag income kada adlaw sa EVAT lang. Rough estimate:
Katunga sa atong pupolasyon, 40, million people mopalit sa grocery ug goods
worth 200 pesos. The total sales is 8 billion. Multiply it by 12% for EVAT, ang
kitaon sa governo moabot ug 960 million pesos kada adlaw . Mao nga dili ang
Pilipinas mapurdoy kay sigi man ta ug dugang ug buhis. Sa sunod tuig , lain na
pud nga tax EEVAT (Elevated and Expanded Value Added Tax) . Kon patas-an
ang buhis, okey ra man ang Pinoy. Tungod sa atong kadato, dili mahurot ug
corrupt and atong kwarta.

Macky, I learn many things from you. Keep it up.

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #70 on:** October 24, 2008, 09:38:57 AM »

With the question above, I answered I don't know.
Its a long process to become a state of the USA.
Its impossible to happen.
Its unconstitutional.

It is impossible now, as America would be considered an Imperialist State if it did. And there are many Americans within the United States that are antagonistic to American intervention in other countries' foreign affairs, let alone the take over of an entire country, especially a large one like the Philippines (whose population is estimated to hit 100 Million within a decade).

Though the prospect of statehood is impractical right now, rest assured that the United States and more importantly, the United States Armed Forces will never truly leave Philippine soil.

The Philippines has an important role to American Military Policy concerning its hegemony in the Pacific. The Philippines is truly the stepping stone to Asia-Mainland.

The Philippines is also close to America's territory of Guam and the Marianas. Suffice to say, the United States will NEVER allow any nation to touch the Philippines without soliciting a MASSIVE American Response.

The United States NEEDS the Philippines.

History has mandated it.

The United States launched the LARGEST Naval Campaign in the History of Mankind in 1944 in the Reconquest of the Philippines to eradicate Japanese presence in the island. As close to 1000 American Naval Ships sailed to the island of Leyte to retake the Philippines, thereby fulfilling MacArthur's "I will Return" promise.

America sacrificed over 60,000 of its Sons to take back the Philippines from the Japanese.

History has already demonstrated how much America wants the Philippines and NEEDS it.

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Macky Ferniz · « **Reply #71 on:** October 24, 2008, 09:57:12 AM »

Libug lang ko sa statement nmu Kuya Mack's. Nganu nihanyu man ang OPEC nga baligya-an cla sa OIL.. Isnt OPEC an Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries? They are very rich in OIL..why would they buy one from Palawan.. nganu magpakalouy man cla? kagamay ra sa OIL makuha sa Palawan compared to the OIL being produced by OPEC members..

Sir fdaray, tinuod dghan kwarata pilipinas nga gipangkurakot.. apan ang utang dli na matabang.. hagbay rang na remate ang pilipinas kung alahas pa ning gi-prenda..

Aw sorry diay kaayo BNC. Tungod sa akong pag dali-dali, nasayop ko nga instead PNOC ang akong na type OPEC.

Correction please, thanks.

So, ang PNOC - Philippine National Oil Company na noon ang mura ug nagpakilimos nga baligyaan ug sa oil sa Palawan. Ato man unta na nga oil.

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bol-anon_ko · « **Reply #72 on:** October 24, 2008, 11:04:25 AM »

dli man c BNC si bol-anon_ko .. ang BNC si Bol-anon nga Cebuano..

mao nay gi-ingun Macks nga kalouy sa pinas.. mao na nuon nagpalimos sa kaugalingun nga OIL

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Macky Ferniz · « **Reply #73 on:** October 25, 2008, 05:16:13 PM »

Sorry Jez, permi jud ko malipat sa injong mga alyas.

GALOC Oil diay ang name ani nga Oil, which is derived from a place in Palawan called Galoc oil fields.

Accordingly, as per the latest news, Philippine based Oil companies were given access to take sample of GALOC Oil. However, after testing, PETRON declared that their equipments are unable to refine this kind of oil. Their refineries are designed for Arabian type crude oil which is thicker in consistency.

Meanwhile, SHELL Co. declared that thier refineries could handle such type of Oil.

The question is, will the foreign Corporations who drilled the oil, sells it to Shell Phils.?

As per the press interview, the drilling company informed that it has yet to be decided by their board.

You see, since they have 60% of the oil share, they have most rights to decide where to sell the oil. Perhaps the approving comittee forgot thier patriotism during the signing of the contract due to SOP (under the table). For foreign companies, it is much cheaper to give a few millions to our officials to get their objectives. It is much easier and cheaper than to go through the right/legal procedure.

Actually, we have gone too out of topic on this thread, but the main point is that, there will be less corruption if we are under American rule.

Also why should Filipinos bother if we will become the 51st State? Since we will automatically become American Citizens, the logic would be America don't own us, "we own America" should that happen. Filipinos would automatically become part owner of USA.

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #74 on:** October 26, 2008, 06:22:57 AM »

Good point, Mr. Ferniz.

Filipinos already control America.

10% of the entire American Medical System is Filipino.
There are 20,000 + Filipino Doctors practicing in the United States, and over 200,000 Filipino Nurses who are serving in hospital systems.

The Filipino population in the United States is around 2.3 million. Yet the American population is 303 million. Think about it in these terms; 0.69% of the American population controls 10% of the ENTIRE Health System.

We have thousands of Filipino-Americans who are practicing attorneys here in the United States. And Filipinos have served as governors. Hawaii, in particular.

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #75 on:** October 26, 2008, 06:26:21 AM »

Filipinos are the richest out of all the Asian-American ethnic groups.

The average Filipino-American family earns more than the Caucasian-Americans, Black-Americans, Chinese-Americans, Indian-Americans etc.

We are known as the 'Model American'.

We come to this country as underprivileged and yet find a way to rise to the top.

The Filipino, is RESILIENT. And most of all AMBITIOUS. God-Given qualities.

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Macky Ferniz · « **Reply #76 on:** October 26, 2008, 11:36:40 PM »

You are right Lorenzo.

Flips working class are classified as average to upper class income level and highest leteracy rate among ethnic communities in the US.

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #77 on:** October 28, 2008, 08:48:38 AM »

The work ethic and religiosity of our parents are transferred to us, their offspring.

When you say Filipino here in the 'states, it is already synonymous with Medicine or Nursing.

In fact, when I did my rounds this past summer at a local hospital; a patient said something that made me smile concerning her choice of Doctor to treat her. When the admitting nurse took the patient, the patient requested she have a Jew or a Filipino doctor treat her. haha

God Bless the Filipino!

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buwadsanga · « **Reply #78 on:** October 28, 2008, 11:19:09 AM »

51st State? - It's only a number my friends, no and never to this idea and welcome freedom of the brown race here in the philippine archipelago. we shed blood on this freedom never to surrender it, never and nevah!..........

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #79 on:** October 28, 2008, 06:54:16 PM »

I respect your views, Buwad.

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buwadsanga · « **Reply #80 on:** October 29, 2008, 09:25:08 AM »

thank you Bai Lor i highly respect yours too!

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #81 on:** November 01, 2008, 03:24:10 PM »

This is what makes this web site beautiful. We may have differences in opinion, and come from different backgrounds, different parts of the world. But we are able to communicate and relay points of view and take something from it--one way or another.

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rayborze · « **Reply #82 on:** November 12, 2008, 02:00:23 PM »

Nothing can be further from the truth! I think we already are, at least that's what we feel here in the America's, there's quiet a few things that we must do, First; we must sift through our old spanish habit, "manyana" and etc..etc.. It will probably take a generation of Filipino's to move towards a Free Nation under God. We must also get rid of our rebelious attitude towards authority.

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TOPAC · « **Reply #83 on:** November 12, 2008, 03:58:44 PM »

nibir.. not in this lifetime.. over my dead kuko... makibaka ug makibaboy jud ko inis mendiola ba.. not an inch of the phil territory.. lol..

rayborze: rebellious lang ang pinoy kay unsaun man nga authority nga nabutang sa pwesto wa man tagai ug authority sa mga pinoy.. fake man gud na amu president..

enzo bay: fyi lang, the americans (the thomasites) taught the Filipinos this song:
"magtanim ay di biro, maghapun nakayuko"
kalimot ko sa sumpay, pero it fosters/creates complacency and disgust in agriculture..
a mockery of the filipino way of life..
forgot the title of the song.. isearch mo na lang..hehehe

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ms da binsi · « **Reply #84 on:** November 12, 2008, 11:29:21 PM »

Wrong!!!

Calle dili na mao!

kani nga song:

Jack and Jill
Went up the hill
To fetch a pail of water...

Karon, unsalan pagka kanta nga ning adto sa bungtod kay magkalos ug tubig? naa bay tubig nga tua sa bungtod??? tubaga daw aber ug wa ba ta binuangi!! LOL

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bolingitboy · « **Reply #85 on:** November 13, 2008, 12:18:09 AM »

this has nothing to do with the philippines as the 51st US state.. but in addition to the comment on the jack and jill song, isn't it ironic that such a children's song can be so gory? translated to bisaya, it would go something like: si jack ug si jill mikatkat sa bukid kay mag kawos ug tubig. naligid si jack ug nabuak and iyang bagulbagul. unya si jill misunod ug kaligid sa bakilid... this is certainly not good material for a grade schooler to learn. maayo na lang nga kasagaran bata mokanta ani nga song, wa pa kasabut kung unsay meaning sa ilang gikanta.

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TOPAC · « **Reply #86 on:** November 13, 2008, 08:20:00 AM »

LOL... sa valencia siguro na nahimu nga kanta mdb.. kay sa bukid sa valencia, nay barrio didto nga gaawas -awas tawn ang ilang tangke ug tubig sa kadaghan ug tubig.. ang mga gripo pasagdan lang nga mag-agas-agas to lessen the pressure sa water system.. ang nakapait mdb kay di sila manghatag sa taga ubang barrio nga ganahan muconnect sa ilang tangke.. mao magkaws tawn pud tong silingang barrio nila sa bukid.. LOL...

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buwadsanga · « **Reply #87 on:** November 13, 2008, 10:16:13 AM »

sa jagna pud tuas bukid ang kawsanan!

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ms da binsi · « **Reply #88 on:** November 13, 2008, 10:18:18 AM »

this has nothing to do with the philippines as the 51st US state.. but in addition to the comment on the jack and jill song, isn't it ironic that such a children's song can be so gory? translated to bisaya, it would go something like: si jack ug si jill mikatkat sa bukid kay mag kawos ug tubig. naligid si jack ug nabuak and iyang bagulbagul. unya si jill misunod ug kaligid sa bakilid... this is certainly not good material for a grade schooler to learn. maayo na lang nga kasagaran bata mokanta ani nga song, wa pa kasabut kung unsay meaning sa ilang gikanta.

pwerte nakong agik-ik diri ! hahahehe

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rayborze · « **Reply #89 on:** November 13, 2008, 04:56:04 PM »

mao gani nga kinahanglan usa o duha ka henirasyon, usa pa ma usob ang mga pinoy, pero unsaon man kun dili willing? It's hard to teach old dogs new trikkkkssss you know!.... you need to raise a new breed, new blood, if we want our country to prosper in a Godly Way.... Thought might be a good Idea to bring into our young people, after all our nation will not really, and cannot move forward if it's still have a heavy load of garbage...... what i mean is the past and old habits...
nahala, nindot baja kaayo ang fiesta, ato nlang sagulan ug american taste ang atong letchon,,,,Lots of Heinz Catchup,,,,,,hahahahha...

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #90 on:** November 14, 2008, 05:16:29 AM »

Accountability and transparency is achievable in the now. Ubiquitous to the argument is the reiteration of the need to change. Understandable, and in the end, that is the goal. That is the aim.

Intrinsic to the problem itself, is the process, the procurement of the said goal.

This argument is circular and never-ending. How are we to solve the problem. Specific processes. Idealism aside, let us be pragmatic.

Absolutely,

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #91 on:** November 14, 2008, 05:28:40 AM »

mao gani nga kinahanglan usa o duha ka henirasyon, usa pa ma usob ang mga pinoy, pero unsaon man kun dili willing? It's hard to teach old dogs new trikkkkssss you know!.... you need to raise a new breed, new blood, if we want our country to prosper in a Godly Way.... Thought might be a good Idea to bring into our young people, after all our nation will not really, and cannot move forward if it's still have a heavy load of garbage...... what i mean is the past and old habits...
nahala, nindot baja kaayo ang fiesta, ato nlang sagulan ug american taste ang atong letchon,,,,Lots of Heinz Catchup,,,,,,hahahahha...

Pardon my intervention,

But your proposal is naively idealistic. It will not work in any society.

The fall of communism, an egalitarianistic idealistic experiment, has born testament to this.

A realistic solution to this said problem, and in keeping with the ultimate goal of severing old customs, is some kind of social revolution, translating in the removal of the current political system for a new one. Starting fresh.

This does not necessarily mean success, as Pol Pot's socialist revolution to eradicate old Cambodian customs for a proposed utopic idealism lead to the genocide of over 2 million Cambodians (1/4th of that country's population). The experiment itself was a failure. Absolute; which mirrored Mao Zedong's own Cultural Revolution in the 1970's, which was a failure in its own right).

Yours,

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buwadsanga · « **Reply #92 on:** November 14, 2008, 09:08:38 AM »

i have an ultimate solution:

40yrs old and above na politicians dalhon sa basilan island. tapukon unja bombahan ug hydrogen bomb. so they will evaporate into the atmosphere. ang mabilin ligdong na gyud!

tama, ni to change the present corrupt philippine political state. heheeh!

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TOPAC · « **Reply #93 on:** November 14, 2008, 09:08:38 AM »

pwede baya karun kay na pa man mga tarung nga tawo diri (ahem, sama nako)(ahem again)

pero kung mudagan ko run sa election dili man jud ko kadaug.. di man gani siguro ko kadaug ug presidente sa amung dajong..

before we seek a change in the system, i think there has to be a change among the people first.. a moral revolution.. change for good.. change for the better..

pero unsaun man pagbag-o ug pag-usab sa mga tawo nga gahi ug ulo, gahi ug punopuno ug gahi ug bagulbagul???

first, we must believe that change is possible
second, ambot, wa nako kabalo.. suggestion???

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #94 on:** November 14, 2008, 10:32:59 AM »

Everyone believes that change is possible. The ultimate problem, calle, is the unseathing of the sword (figuratively speaking).

My suggestion is one that follows historical premise.

War; a social revolution.

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #95 on:** November 14, 2008, 10:45:07 AM »

The entire political system in the Philippines is flawed. From local to the national level. Corruption has gone into the core; even into the barangay level.

Only through some kind of social revolution will one actually and TRULY change the political system.

Other than that, realistically speaking, the sins of the father will continue to pass down to the son (figuratively speaking). Corruption is passed down from generation to generation. It is a diasporic problem. To fix the system, you need to purify the entire system.

History has mandated that only through war, and a revolutionary struggle.

Precedent that follows said law:
1. French Revolution; Change of Absolutist Monarchy into a Federalist Republique
2. American Revolution: Change from Constitutional Monarchy without representation into a Federalist Republic

3. Bolshevik Revolution: Change from an Autocracy to a Soviet Republic

4. Parshal Revolution; Change of Turkey's Monarchy into a Secular Republic

5. World War II; The defeat of Japan led to the change from Imperial Military Government to a Constitutional Democratic Monarchy

6. World War I; Germany's defeat to the Allied Powers forced the abdication of King William of Germany, thus changing Germany from a Monarchy into a Republic.

7. Boxer's Rebellion; Removal of the Chinese Qing Dynasty from power, thereby extinquishing China's 4 millenias of Imperial Government. Rise of a modern republican form of government under the auspices of Sun Yat Sen.

etc.

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TOPAC · « **Reply #96 on:** November 14, 2008, 01:39:10 PM »

na, extralegal and extraconstitutional changes man na imu enzo.. i think we have to work within the legal frameworks of the philippine constitution.. ang constitution na lang ang naghawid ini nga nasud karun.. kung dili nato irespeto ang constitution, kinsa pa man irespeto namu? anarchy na mahitabo ana.. chaos..

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #97 on:** November 14, 2008, 04:09:16 PM »

Calle,

How can you work within a system that is flawed? By that argument, in itself, is obligatory to the corrupt fundamentals within the Philippine Government.

How can you work within a legal system, or within said parameters, when a local court magistrate can be bribed? How can you work within a system in which the pragmatics is outright? Dare I be called unpatriotic, nay, but merely giving you a macroscopic viewpoint of said political system. The rampancy of corruption is clearly manifested in that even small municipalities, even barrangays acquiesce to vote buying. Even in my own town of Valencia, that is the rule of the land.

Moreso in regards to the provincial, regional and national level.

Note, I am not a proponent of anarchy, but merely giving a neutralist and historically adept solution, a realistic one at that, to the question being asked by my former colleagues in this said thread.

Absolutely,
And in good Faith,
Bran Lorenzo

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TOPAC · « **Reply #98 on:** November 14, 2008, 05:02:34 PM »

the system is not flawed.. it is the men and women running the system that is flawed.. these are two different things enzo..

buwad: baranga na lagi na sila buwad

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rayborze · « **Reply #99 on:** November 14, 2008, 05:43:03 PM »

What i was driving at, Is a renewing of the mind. You must be willing to change from the inside out... It's not rocket science-- it's called turning away from old habits and starting a new way of life, new way of thinking, it's like becoming a real Christian...That is why God gave us wisdom and knowledge, but if we are dull and damdam, and not willing to change then it will permeate... and it will become stinky and crappyyy and rotten....As we all know that government system is another form of humanistic religion, we call it, secular religion in the America's.

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