Married Catholic Priest

[fdaray]

 Mindanao Davao archbishop seeks forgiveness for married priest
02/02/2009 | 01:51 PM

MANILA, Philippines - Davao Archbishop Fernando Capalla on Monday asked his flock to forgive one of the priests in the archdiocese who had been married in the past but has since regretted his act.

Capalla issued a statement seeking "compassion and forgiveness" for Fr. Pedro Lamata, after Davao City Mayor Rodrigo Duterte disclosed on television that he [Lamata] was a married priest.

"As the spiritual father of all the Catholics in Davao City including my friend Mayor Digong and my priest Fr. Pete as well as others who might be in a similar situation, I would like to appeal for compassionate reconciliation, that is, to forgive and to receive forgiveness," Capalla's statement read.

Excerpts of the statement were posted on the Catholic Bishops Conference of the Philippines website.

Capalla issued the statement after Duterte said on his television program last weekend that Lamata, now the parish priest of St. Mary's Church in Buhangin district, was married.

The archbishop said Lamata had contracted civil marriage with a woman as a young priest, but has long repented for what he had done.

He said a priest contracting marriage is a serious violation against the Code of Canon Law that merits automatic suspension from the ministry.

Capalla said Lamata had already been suspended from his priestly ministry because of what he did, but has since repented and restored to priestly ministry.

"Since that time until today, like a wounded healer Fr. Pedro Lamata has been a dedicated and energetic priest and pastor, well-loved and respected by many people especially his parishioners and friends, even from among the Muslims and Protestants," Capalla said.

Capalla learned of Lamata's case when he succeeded Archbishop Antonio Mabutas as the Davao archbishop.

He stressed that forgiveness is "being recommended not immediately but when both are predisposed for this Christian act."

"Forgiveness is given and received not to deny the Church's moral teachingsâ€"which must be preached boldlyâ€"but to admit the possible misinterpretation and misinformation that followed certain public utterances," he added. - GMANews

[Lorenzo]

I pray for Fr. Lamata. That he will continue in his ministry to the flock.

[fdaray]

 Super Balita, local newpaper in Davao City ,Feb. 4, 2009  revealed that the marriage of
Fr. Pete  Lamata parish priest of St. Marys Parish of Buhangin , Davao City was solemnized
in Dauis Bohol on May 11, 1982.

Kinsa kaha ang pari niadtong panahona.? Apil pod siya  ug kasala. Walaon na lang
ang balaod sa celibacy ug tugotan  nga magminyo ang pari, kay sa magtago-tago.

The truth will always prevail.

[Lorenzo]

Ngano mo judge man ta? Dili man na atong issue. There are so many problems happening in the Philippines. Wives being beaten by abusive husbands; starving children in the streets, Muslims hacking down Christian villagers in Basilan, in southern Mindanao etc.

Yet it is a big deal when one man who is a minister of CHRIST makes a mistake.

Seriously, I commend Fr. Limata for coming out and asking for forgiveness and it is my duty to forgive him. That the Holy Spirit will guide him in his actions and his decisions for the benefit of his family and at the same time to maintain his faith and his support by the flock.

The LORD grant him peace, and forgiveness.
And in sincerity that his prayers are answered according to the Will of the Most High.

[simplylee]

nganong makasala man ang pari kun magminyo mas makasala tingali kun sige" " unya wala maminyo.
unsa may gusto diay sige lang fornication/adultery?

[Lorenzo]

Romans 3:23
For all fall short from the Glory of God.

This shouldn't even be an issue, as we all are weak in that aspect. But by the Grace of The Lord we are able to rise from our own sinful nature. We Are By His Grace.

My prayers for Fr. Lamata.

[Ginger]

Ngano mo judge man ta? Dili man na atong issue. There are so many problems happening in the Philippines. Wives being beaten by abusive husbands; starving children in the streets, Muslims hacking down Christian villagers in Basilan, in southern Mindanao etc.

Yet it is a big deal when one man who is a minister of CHRIST makes a mistake.

Seriously, I commend Fr. Limata for coming out and asking for forgiveness and it is my duty to forgive him. That the Holy Spirit will guide him in his actions and his decisions for the benefit of his family and at the same time to maintain his faith and his support by the flock.

The LORD grant him peace, and forgiveness.
And in sincerity that his prayers are answered according to the Will of the Most High.

AMEN, Amen.

[glacier_71]

Super Balita, local newpaper in Davao City ,Feb. 4, 2009  revealed that the marriage of
Fr. Pete  Lamata parish priest of St. Marys Parish of Buhangin , Davao City was solemnized
in Dauis Bohol on May 11, 1982.

Kinsa kaha ang pari niadtong panahona.? Apil pod siya  ug kasala. Walaon na lang
ang balaod sa celibacy ug tugotan  nga magminyo ang pari, kay sa magtago-tago.

The truth will always prevail.

nganong maapil man ang pari atong kasal ni Lamata nga Civil Marriage man to, di man to sa Simbahan? it was just said that the marriage took ("solemnized") place in Dauis.  in the first place, he can't marry in the Church bec. of his ordained status.

[fdaray]

Kon pasayloon sa obispo ang pari nga magminyo, daghan tingali nga moawat.
Maayo magkabit-kabit na lang. Mas maayo, tugotan na lang nga magminyo.

[glacier_71]

Kon pasayloon sa obispo ang pari nga magminyo, daghan tingali nga moawat.
Maayo magkabit-kabit na lang. Mas maayo, tugotan na lang nga magminyo.

gusto gyud tingali niyang mobalik ug mag-alagad.
maka-tugot man ang simbahan ana, pero, naa pa poy proseso agian
dili man tingali basta-basta lang pabalikon kay gusto sa pari
kining pagsaylo nga giingon, kabahin na kini sa relasyon sa pari ug sa obispo

[ms da binsi]

nganong maapil man ang pari atong kasal ni Lamata nga Civil Marriage man to, di man to sa Simbahan? it was just said that the marriage took ("solemnized") place in Dauis.  in the first place, he can't marry in the Church bec. of his ordained status.

Kana tanan dili man na sala!

People are desined to have partners!

kinsay nag ingon nga makasala ang pari ug mag minyo?

only the catholic church???

daghang baloney diri oi!

[glacier_71]

"Super Balita, local newpaper in Davao City ,Feb. 4, 2009  revealed that the marriage of
Fr. Pete  Lamata parish priest of St. Marys Parish of Buhangin , Davao City was solemnized  in Dauis Bohol on May 11, 1982.

Kinsa kaha ang pari niadtong panahona.? Apil pod siya  ug kasala. Walaon na lang
ang balaod sa celibacy ug tugotan  nga magminyo ang pari, kay sa magtago-tago.

The truth will always prevail."

Kana tanan dili man na sala!

People are desined to have partners!

kinsay nag ingon nga makasala ang pari ug mag minyo?

only the catholic church???

daghang baloney diri oi!

kalma lang. lol. kini ang konteksto sa akong gisulti: ang giingon ni Fdaray - refer the above statement (sori ako na pod kang i-quote, sir) nga "Kinsa kaha ang pari niadtong panahona. Apil siya og kasala." (para nako ang hustong pulong ani, "nakalapas"). akong tubag nga di man maapil og kasala (o wa man makalapas sa balaod) ang pari sa Dauis ani (kung mao ni iya pasabot) kay ang pari nga nagpakasal wa man kasla sa simbahan tungod kay civil man tawn na. gawas pa, ang pari, gawas nga pa-hatagan og kagawasan sa Simbahan nga makasal (dispensation), wa gyud pay katungod nga magpakasal sa Simbahan kay inordinahan man siya, ug mao niy balaod karon.

sa gika-ingon nas ubang mga ni-pabati sa ilang huna-huna ani nga "thread", way maka-husga nga sila o siya nakasala. mao usab kini ang akong baruganan. dili kini atong katungod nga molabay og bato sa uban. apan, kinahanglan lang klarohon lang nato ang naglibot nga kahimtang aning maong balitaa aron malikayan ag dugang kalibog ug kadismaya. dili man tingali kini pagpanghilabot sa inyong baroganan bahin sa isyu sa "kaminyoon ug pagka-pari."

[fdaray]

Ang nahitabo dili ba kaha, "birds of the same feathers  flock together."

[TOPAC]

Super Balita, local newpaper in Davao City ,Feb. 4, 2009  revealed that the marriage of
Fr. Pete  Lamata parish priest of St. Marys Parish of Buhangin , Davao City was solemnized
in Dauis Bohol on May 11, 1982.

Kinsa kaha ang pari niadtong panahona.? Apil pod siya  ug kasala. Walaon na lang
ang balaod sa celibacy ug tugotan  nga magminyo ang pari, kay sa magtago-tago.

The truth will always prevail.

i don't agree with the above suggestion on allowing priests to marry.

[TOPAC]

Kana tanan dili man na sala!

People are desined to have partners!

kinsay nag ingon nga makasala ang pari ug mag minyo?

only the catholic church???

daghang baloney diri oi!

ug kinsa may gaingun ani???

si mdb ra oi! LOL

peace mdb.

[glacier_71]

Ang nahitabo dili ba kaha, "birds of the same feathers  flock together."

what's color of the feathers? hehehe

[bol-anon nga cebuano]

balhin nalang si siya sa aglipay church kay pwede maminyo ang mga pari didto.

[fdaray]

Unsay pasaylo kaha ang ihatag ni Bishop Capalla. Suspended lang baka ug pila ka tuig, o lifetime nga dili na siya makabalik sa iyang parokya.

Until this time , wala pay final say si Bishop Capalla.

[glacier_71]

balhin nalang si siya sa aglipay church kay pwede maminyo ang mga pari didto.

gi-reinstate na man siya sa pagka-pari sa katoliko, bnc. ang iyang pagka-minyo (Civil) gi-wagtang na kay gusto na niyang mo-aktibo sa iyang ministro.

[glacier_71]

Unsay pasaylo kaha ang ihatag ni Bishop Capalla. Suspended lang baka ug pila ka tuig, o lifetime nga dili na siya makabalik sa iyang parokya.

Until this time , wala pay final say si Bishop Capalla.

dugay ra nahuman ang iyang suspensyon, fdaray. siya na gani ang kura sa usa ka parokya karon..he's in full communion na sa Simbahan

[fdaray]

Dili man mabulag ang kasal sa  simbahan. Kon giwagtang ang civil marriage ni Pete Lamata, wala nay baroganan ang simbahang katoliko. Law maker, law breaker.

[glacier_71]

Naa may Annulment, sir, sa balaod sa Simbahan.

[TOPAC]

Civil law is a creation of man. The Catholic Church is far from being its law maker.

did the church break the law? The Catholic Church has its own rules on the matters of faith. In deciding to welcome back in its fold the priest, it does not concern itself with the civil aspect of the controversy but on what the church believes to be in the eyes of God.

ang civil wedding wa man nay blessing sa church, nganung pakasad-un pa man sya nimu sir felix?

truly,

Zosimo calle

[Lorenzo]

Mis Amigos,

Las razones de esta situacion se basan en las diferencias en la opinion de la gente.
Hay la gente que esta contra la Iglesia Catolica y las que mantienen la Iglesia Catolica y las ensenanzas de la Iglesia.

En vista de el Padre Lamata, el es sacerdote Catolico. Su amor de la sacerdocio es claramente realidad. Quizas, habria sido mas sabio que el proceda en Deaconeridad en vez de sacerdocio. Pero, no obstante, esa es su decision y el necesita explicarla a DIOS. Para EL DIOS. Todos seamos razonables.

Dios nos bendice todos,


Lorenzo

[gelyan]

kinsay nagsulti nga walay blessing ang civil wedding.. niingon ba diay ang ginoo nga dili nako hatagan ug blessing kung dili magpakasal sa simbahan.asa man na sa bible? hehehe

mubalik lang gihapon na sa Social Construction of Reality. Sociological Imagination ra na.

[TOPAC]

akoy nagsulti gelyan, palag? hehehe peace gelyan!

kung magtake ka sa imu vows sa civil wedding mamention ba diay si Father God?

aw, kung namention sya, i think i would agree gelyan nga naa na pud na syay blessing sa kahitas-an.

[fdaray]

Ang simbahang Katoliko  pinaagi sa Bible nagtudlo nga " kon unsa ang gihiusa sa
Ginoo, dili pagbulagon sila". Kamatayon ra ang makabulag kanila. Ang atong civil
law sa Pilipinas walay devource. Dili puede wagtangon ang kasal ni Pete Lamata ni
bisan kinsa. It was solemnized in the Catholic Church.

Unsay giingon sa Bible: Matthew 19: 6 "So then, they are no longer two but one flesh.
Therefore, what has God joined together let not man seperate."

[wardiflex]

ang blessing naa ra na kanunay nag sunodsunod sa mga magti-ayon,kung unsaon nila pagdala ang ilang pamilya. God is watching

[TOPAC]

Mindanao Davao archbishop seeks forgiveness for married priest
02/02/2009 | 01:51 PM

The archbishop said Lamata had contracted civil marriage with a woman as a young priest, but has long repented for what he had done.

galibug na ko sir felix. ingun man lagi sa article nga civil ang marriage.

[glacier_71]

sir, felix, civil wedding gani, dili na kasal nga gihimo sa Simbahan. ang Civil, mao nay kasal sa Huwes, Mayor o laing tinugyanan sa gobyerno nga makakasal.

wa may nakiglalis kung unsay pagsabot nato kabahin sa giingon sa Bibliya. akong gipasabot nga sa Katoliko, naay Annulment, diin ang mag-tiayon human sa pila ka higayon nga way pag-uyon ug sinabtanay, ug wa na makasabot sa ilang pagpuyo, pwede mopasaka og kaso aron ipa-bugto ang ilang kasal. dugay kini nga proceso, apan naa kini.

kining kaso ni Lamata, Civil wedding ni. kay nakabalik na siya sa iyang trabaho isip pari kana tungod kay: 1) gi-annul na (tingali) iyang kasal sa Civil pinaagi sa civil court (ako ra ning pangagpas kay wa man ni idetalyi sa balita. pero, mao tingali ni kay gipabalik man). 2) duna na siya'y RIGHT (tang-tangan ang pari ani kung i-suspenso) nga maka-himo niya pagbuhat sa iyang parionong buluhaton, ug gihatagan siya niining RIGHT gikan sa iyang superior, nga mao ang Obispo. Sigon pud ni sa ahong na basahan sa internet.

sakto imong punto, calle. bright jud ka bay.

[bol-anon nga cebuano]

sa kong kasinatian diha sa simbahan sa bohol kadtong mga gikasal sa civil dili papakalawaton sa mga pari pero sa mga nahibaw-an lang ha. akong gipangutana ang usa mga membro sa Familiy Life Apostolate (FLA) didto ug nganong ing-ana. Balaod kuno sa simbahan nga kadtong mga gikasal sa huwes or civil wed couples nga mga katoliko gidid-an sa pagkalawat kay wala silay basbas sa simbahan. wala ko kahibalo ana jud nga rule until that time. so akong gipangutana kung wala diay mo kahibalo nga kasal na sa huwes, makakalawat lang gihapon. ang tubag sa akong gikastorya, gaba nalang ang ilaha kay ang ginoo naa sa langit nagtan-aw nato. naglibog na nuon ko ngano.

[TOPAC]

Ang simbahang Katoliko  pinaagi sa Bible nagtudlo nga " kon unsa ang gihiusa sa
Ginoo, dili pagbulagon sila". Kamatayon ra ang makabulag kanila. Ang atong civil
law sa Pilipinas walay devource. Dili puede wagtangon ang kasal ni Pete Lamata ni
bisan kinsa. It was solemnized in the Catholic Church.

Unsay giingon sa Bible: Matthew 19: 6 "So then, they are no longer two but one flesh.
Therefore, what has God joined together let not man seperate."

since this had been rebutted by glacier, i'll just reserve to myself what I think of the matter and subscribe to what glacier had said.

nindot sad ning tb glacier kay bisan ang mga bobo para nako mabright.

[glacier_71]

way bright o way bulok aning TB, bay Calle...basta pabuhagay lang tas atong huna-huna...kung uyon sila, ok. ug dili, ok ra pod. hehe

[TOPAC]

LOL

Kudos bay. Maajo pa siguro balik ta sa imung friend ug hapit mauyab nga taga valencia.

tug-an na lang gud. para atong pangitaon. hehehe if you want to keep it a secret, i-PM na lang.

[fdaray]

Dunay mga requiremnts kon e annul ang  civil weeding : The first is abandonment, separation for long years, grave abuses of rights and others. Sa case ni Fr. Lamata, iya ba ning na violate aron ma annul ang iyang civil weeding? Dili tingali, because he is a priest. There would be no annulment.

Ang ilang civil weeding ge solemnized sa Catholic Church sumala sa Mattew 19:6. Dili mabulag ang ilang kaminyoon. Kon duna may annulment nga nahitabo kay gipasaylo siya  sa obispo, kini maoy dakong tamparos sa Catholic Church.

Mao ba diay revise teaching sa simbahan, "ang pari ge solemnized ang iyang kasal sa simbahan sa  usa ka pari. Sa dihang nabulgar na ang tinuod, gipasaylo sa obispo?

[TOPAC]

wa lagi gi-solemnize sa simbahan ang iya wedding sir. it could be that the wedding ceremony was before a judge, mayor but not the Catholic Church. Please do read the article you posted.

The Catholic Church does not recognize civil weddings. I think the Church can welcome in its fold priests that have gone astray with or without an annulment, declaration of nullity or legal separation, the three modes recognized by the Family Code in severing the marriage ties.

Likewise, kung ang tawo makasala di ba diay mapasaylo? I don't think that's what your church teaches.

Hangyo sa tanan: STOP THE ATTACKS ON OUR FAITH!!!

[glacier_71]

korek!

[TOPAC]

huhuhu

[Lorenzo]

Sir Felix,

I understand your inquisitive nature on this situation, and I find it very unbecoming when one generalizes the Roman Catholic Church on the basis of one priest and his mistake. And let that be known that it was a mistake for him to marry even if it was a civil wedding. As a prerogative of royal priesthood is total evation and total sacrifice to Chist Himself.

To be a priest is to marry into the Body, The Blood of Christ Our Lord.

Why marry? As A priest is married to God's teachings. And The Word.

Let that be known that Fr. Lamata is not sinless in that regard, he violated one of the tenents of Priesthoood. Which is total celibacy. But then again, that is his qualms and his sin that he needs to battle and ask for forgiveness from his creator and Lord. Whom he serves as his priest to his flock. It is not for us to judge when we we ourselves are guilty of a multitude of sins. Either we choose to accept it or not, we are ourselves guilty of sin and shall always be, but through the grace of God, we are saved.

As Romans 3;23 reiterates, "For All Fall Short From the Glory of God."

Again, the actions and mistakes of Fr. Lamata are his own. And is not that of the Holy Roman Catholic Church.

Let us pray for him, instead of attacking him.


Sincerely,
Bran Lorenzo

[fdaray]

Sa Super Balita, Feb.4, 2008, local newspaper in Davao City revealed that it was solemnized in Dauis Church, May 11, 2009. Wala man giingon nga gikasal sa Mayor o judge. Tugotan ta nga kadto civil weeding, apan dako gihapon nga sala kay pari man siya. Asa man ang gipamunpaan nga 'celibacy"?Kay nakasala, silotan nga dili na makadala og parokya. Sama sa disbarment sa mga abogado kay grave misconduct and abuse ang sala.

Pasayloon gihapon, according to 1 John 1 :9 apan dunay silot.

I think , I have commented so much. I am apologizing if I haved said  many derogatory words.  I will end at this point.

[TOPAC]

a, mao diay nay gitudlo sa injo nga kung pasayloon, nay "apan" or condition as manifested by your "apan dunay silot" posting above.

di man mi ingun-ana sa amo, so don't impose your practices sa amu. to each his own lang sa ta run.

[fdaray]

TY, Lorenzo  for your very lucid letter. What I mean illusive is "clear". It should not be illusive but ' lucid."  Sorry Brod Lorenzo
TY Brod calle for the correction.

[TOPAC]

From an online dictionary:

Adj. 1. illusive - based on or having the nature of an illusion; "illusive hopes of finding a better job"; "Secret activities offer presidents the alluring but often illusory promise that they can achieve foreign policy goals without the bothersome debate and open decision that are staples of democracy"

illusory

unreal - lacking in reality or substance or genuineness; not corresponding to acknowledged facts or criteria; "ghosts and other unreal entities"; "unreal propaganda serving as news"

[grazie7y]

calle, pareho uroy ta'g gibasa! hahahaha

[Lorenzo]

Reading this thread, I am called to read the Psalms.

And there is a verse in scripture that best ends this talk:

Blessed is the one whose transgression is forgiven,
whose sin is covered.
Blessed is the man against whom the Lord counts no iniquity,
and in whose spirit there is no deceit.

For when I kept silent, my bones wasted away
through my groaning all day long.
For day and night your hand was heavy upon me;
my strength was dried up as by the heat of summer. Selah

I acknowledged my sin to you,
and I did not cover my iniquity;
I said, “I will confess my transgressions to the Lord,”
and you forgave the iniquity of my sin. Selah

Therefore let everyone who is godly
offer prayer to you at a time when you may be found;
surely in the rush of great waters,
they shall not reach him.
You are a hiding place for me;
you preserve me from trouble;
you surround me with shouts of deliverance. Selah
—Psalm 32:1-7


The mercy and forgiveness of The LORD is highest of all and cannot be fathomed by us, who are born sinners;

"as far as the east is from the west,
so far does he remove our transgressions from us."
—Psalm 103:12

[fdaray]

Brod calle, according to 1 John 1: 9, bisan unsa kabog-at ang atong sala, kita sa Dios pasayloon, apan duna siya'y mga pagsilot, kanang giingon "chasetisements" o mga paglatos kanato sama nga hatagan kita niya ug  mga sakit, mga mabug-at nga problema ug ubang mga kakulian sa atong kinabuhi.
 
Hebrews 12:5-11 (New King James Version)
5 And you have forgotten the exhortation which speaks to you as to sons:


      “ My son, do not despise the chastening of the LORD,
      Nor be discouraged when you are rebuked by Him;
       6 For whom the LORD loves He chastens,
      And scourges every son whom He receives.”[a]

7 If you endure chastening, God deals with you as with sons; for what son is there whom a father does not chasten? 8 But if you are without chastening, of which all have become partakers, then you are illegitimate and not sons. 9 Furthermore, we have had human fathers who corrected us, and we paid them respect. Shall we not much more readily be in subjection to the Father of spirits and live? 10 For they indeed for a few days chastened us as seemed best to them, but He for our profit, that we may be partakers of His holiness. 11 Now no chastening seems to be joyful for the present, but painful; nevertheless, afterward it yields the peaceable fruit of righteousness to those who have been trained by it.

[fdaray]

Sorry Brod Lorenzo and Brod calle for my mistake. THe correct word should be "lucid"
not illusive. Lucid means clear thought.

[Lorenzo]

There is no need to apologize. Speak! Make yourself known!

We are all gentlemen in this body politic.

Respectfully,
Lorenzo

[gelyan]

akoy nagsulti gelyan, palag? hehehe peace gelyan!

kung magtake ka sa imu vows sa civil wedding mamention ba diay si Father God?

aw, kung namention sya, i think i would agree gelyan nga naa na pud na syay blessing sa kahitas-an.

hehehe.. kaw calle ha..

ang government under baya na sa Law of Divine Establishment. sa preamble palang daan naa na gimention diha ang Almighty God. isa pa, maka initiate ba diay ang pari or pastor kung wala silay licensed nga mukasal gikan ra gihapon sa atong balaod.

[TOPAC]

calle, pareho uroy ta'g gibasa! hahahaha

abtik mang-google grazie! hehehe

[TOPAC]

Sorry Brod Lorenzo and Brod calle for my mistake. THe correct word should be "lucid"
not illusive. Lucid means clear thought.

nakasala ka sir felix as admitted. pero di ko muhatag ug "apan" sa akong pagpasaylo nimu sa imung kalapasan.

Peace to all!

[TOPAC]

hehehe.. kaw calle ha..

ang government under baya na sa Law of Divine Establishment. sa preamble palang daan naa na gimention diha ang Almighty God. isa pa, maka initiate ba diay ang pari or pastor kung wala silay licensed nga mukasal gikan ra gihapon sa atong balaod.

hhmmm wa pa man gud ko kaanha ug civil wedding. tungod siguro kay usually ang kumbira toa man sa church wedding.

do you mean gelyan nga indirect ang intervention ni Father God because the priest/pastor obtained its authority from the law passed in accordance with the Constitution which provides for its preamble the words "Almighty God"?

Anyway, the authority of the priest/pastor to solemnize marriages granted by the State is relevant only when we talk about the law.

But when we talk about the Church and its relationship with the faithful, the authority of the priest granted by the Church is enough though legally, it is not binding. in other words, valid in the eyes of God, but not before men.

[Lorenzo]

That is true, as a civil union before the law is predicated by means in a secular society. Civil unions are based on lawful union, for the benefit of the said spouses for benefit in taxes, in health care benefits, etc.

That is the very reason why we have civil union in one hand and a church-based wedding in the other. For the accustomed, it is observable to have a civil union first, in order to have legal notification an legalization of said union, and then have a church-based wedding afterwards, to solemnize the said oath before the eyes of God and Church.

Bright jud ka, Calle.




Lorenzo,

[TOPAC]

I plead not guilty, dong!

but i don't think the facts are in my side.

LOL

nabright na pud ko glacier!!!

[Lorenzo]

Addendum, even atheists can have civil unions. In fact, one of the reasons they choose civil unions is :
a) evasion of religious discourse and tradition
b) legal authentication of union and acquirement of benefits guaranteed by the act of union ergo, tax combination, financial reasons etc.
c) Secularization


Cheers,

[Lorenzo]

I plead not guilty, dong!

but i don't think the facts are in my side.

LOL

nabright na pud ko glacier!!!

Humility is a trait of intelligent men, Tito.

[Lorenzo]

Tito, bright gud ka kai taga Valencia gud. Bright jamo raba ning taga Valencia

[TOPAC]

im neither humble nor intelligent dong. hehehe

maybe, i just stroke gold on the above postings which you also agree.

ikaw ang bright oi kay DOCTOR!!!

[Lorenzo]

Maluuy an Ginoo ma human ta sa studies.

Pero I must say, well defended posts, Tito.

I like how you stick to the topic, and maintain your defense. It's a sign of good character.

[TOPAC]

Formality na lang ng pag eskwela nimu dong. wa pay valencianhon nga nahagbong ug  board sa medicine. LOL

[Lorenzo]

By His Grace, Tito.
By His Grace~

[TOPAC]

Kudos!

God bless us all!

[glacier_71]

I plead not guilty, dong!

but i don't think the facts are in my side.

LOL

nabright na pud ko glacier!!!

sanabi ko na nga ba eh...hahaha. nitaas na man diay ning inyong kukabildo ani

[Lorenzo]

Absolutely, pare.

We are confident because we have the Love of Our Lord Jesus Christ in us. He loves us and we know he loves us. And we abound in HIS Love.

He loves me and I love him. That, in itself, is enough to sustain us.

We are proud for the Love of Our Lord has On Us.


By His Grace, we overcome and we achieve. In His Mighty Name, there is no impossibilities. The impossibilities become possibilities. The Grace of God Almighty Our Father was strong enough to raise his Only Begotten Son, Jesus, from the dead and into Heaven. What more do you think His grace can do for us? We Are By His Grace.


God Bless All Of Us.

[gelyan]

hhmmm wa pa man gud ko kaanha ug civil wedding. tungod siguro kay usually ang kumbira toa man sa church wedding.

do you mean gelyan nga indirect ang intervention ni Father God because the priest/pastor obtained its authority from the law passed in accordance with the Constitution which provides for its preamble the words "Almighty God"?

Anyway, the authority of the priest/pastor to solemnize marriages granted by the State is relevant only when we talk about the law.

But when we talk about the Church and its relationship with the faithful, the authority of the priest granted by the Church is enough though legally, it is not binding. in other words, valid in the eyes of God, but not before men.

hhmm.. ang akong gimean nga ang government established na sa Ginoo. Kung kaslon ka macivil or simbahan pareho lang para nako. ang kalahian ra naay ceremony ang naa sa church kay nagbase ta sa atong mga pre-conceived notions like walay blessing kung dili kaslon sa simbahan...kungbaga mao na ni atong namat-an sa atong mga kanuno nunoan.

kay kung magstorya man gud ta ug blessing wala man na sa simbahan or sa civil. kay naa man tay ginatawag nga common grace. bisan pa ug unbeliever na or believer makakaon ug makaginhawa ta. mao ni ang common grace.

ang issue nato calle kay kung naa bay blessing or wala ang kaslon sa civil. kung established sa Ginoo ang government nato naa gud blessing ang magpakasal ug civil.
mao ra gud pud na akong ikashare. hehe i-asa man pud ng kaslon sa simbahan unya walay pagsalig sa Ginoo common grace ra sya taman. we live by faith and not by sight. ang ako lang balewala man ni God unsay makita sa mga mata sa tawo. ang importante niya kung unsa tong dili makita sa tao nga makalipay Niya.

[TOPAC]

Amen, gelyan!

hhmmm nag-civil wedding siguro ka noh kay murag very knowledgeable ka sa imu postings?

[glacier_71]

good point here, gelyan. grace is everywhere. common grace, as you said. but grace is also personal. which means that grace is not only inherent in creation but also it is given to those who seek in a responsible personal level. for example, to breath is a common grace, which is present in every living creature, human esp. but to care our lungs to be able to breath perfectly is every person's responsibility. that's what i call personal grace. well, i may out of the topic here. i just wanna share my thought on this. this is just my personal take. peace.

[TOPAC]

na koy auntie ngan grace! YAHOO!

[glacier_71]

na koy auntie ngan grace! YAHOO!

whahahahaha...akong giangyan mary grace pod.

[gelyan]

Amen, gelyan!

hhmmm nag-civil wedding siguro ka noh kay murag very knowledgeable ka sa imu postings?

hahaha.uu korek calle.conflict lagi sa religion mao nga para way samok civil mao rang storyaha.

[gelyan]

hahahaha.. unsa na grace in the name? lol

[glacier_71]

hahaha.uu korek calle.conflict lagi sa religion mao nga para way samok civil mao rang storyaha.

ang priority, gel, magkasinabot ug malipayon mo. happy married life.

[TOPAC]

BARAYT jud ko da.

ok ra na oi. wa man nawa nimu "bisan" civil lang ang kasal, di ba?

ug nay muingon nimu nga wa toy blessing imu civil wedding, ingna nga gi-blessingan na mo ni st. zosimo calle de valencia! LOL

[glacier_71]

BARAYT jud ko da.

ok ra na oi. wa man nawa nimu "bisan" civil lang ang kasal, di ba?

ug nay muingon nimu nga wa toy blessing imu civil wedding, ingna nga gi-blessingan na mo ni st. zosimo calle de valencia! LOL

briayt, nya, not greedy. karon, na-SANTOS na jud. hahaha.

[TOPAC]

glacier: nasayop diay na, dapat ma-hero pa ko usa ko masantos!

gelyan: grace iya name. LOL

[grazie7y]

na koy auntie ngan grace! YAHOO!

Ug ako pod si Grace! hehehe

[glacier_71]

glacier: nasayop diay na, dapat ma-hero pa ko usa ko masantos!

gelyan: grace iya name. LOL

nanglangtod ka...ato sa una ka itupad og bayaw ni Dagohoy, unya pa itupad og bayaw ni San Pedro. ahaha

[glacier_71]

Ug ako pod si Grace! hehehe

tinuod jud ning grace si Grace kay maayo ning tawo.

[TOPAC]

gikapoy na ko interner. gawas sa ko sa tb kay na koy deadline.

[grazie7y]

tinuod jud ning grace si Grace kay maayo ning tawo.

hinaut unta I can live up to my name, glacier! 

[thegirlnextdoor]

I know a preist from Bohol who is having a church in Toronto and he has small children and they are all darling.
His mom is the senior Diocise here in the catedral at St. Josephs.

He is responsible always to his family and church. We forgive those brothers and sisters who are partaking in pre-marital sex and why no forgive also a preist who is doing well for the church and his people as well despite his weaknesses and imperfections.

We are all human beings no one is perfect, even though we try hard to be.

[Lorenzo]

Amen, Priscilla.

Amen.

[thegirlnextdoor]

Thanks Lorenzo, it always seems like all the good looking men are either gay or preists LOL!

How are things back in America Lorenzo, I had read a headline ere it had read that some guy was planning to assinate Obama.

Just wish people would let him do his job the poor man was left to begin with cleaning up not just a messy house bt a stinky house full of a lot of financail garbage woes.

I just hope we end up doing better with in the next couple of years.
Take Care U!

[Lorenzo]

Thanks Lorenzo, it always seems like all the good looking men are either gay or preists LOL!

How are things back in America Lorenzo, I had read a headline ere it had read that some guy was planning to assinate Obama.

Just wish people would let him do his job the poor man was left to begin with cleaning up not just a messy house bt a stinky house full of a lot of financail garbage woes.

I just hope we end up doing better with in the next couple of years.
Take Care U!

Good Afternoon Ms. Priscilla,

Things aren't too bad over here, Ma'am. Just tough times, really tough times. Economy is really down in the dumps right now. But am sure and like yourself, know that we, The American People, will get through this situation.

America has suffered many attacks, and depressions before. Many setbacks, all of which we as a People and as Great Nation, have weathered through.

I still have much hope for this new Administration.

Economies go through a cyclic path. Sometimes we have good days, sometimes bad days. We are in one of those 'bad' days right now. But am sure there are better times ahead.

God Bless all of Us. God Bless the United States of America and the American People.

Ms. Priscilla, how are you doing? How are things over there in Bohol, Philippines?
How are your kids and family over there? Give them my warmest regards. Wishing you the best, Ma'am.





Fondly,
Lorenzo

[Scarb]

wow gihagoan jud nako read from the very start..nalingaw ko sa mga banggiitan nga padayag. 

[bol-anon nga cebuano]

The association of Married priests are pro RH bill.

[Scarb]

Magkayag tali ang kalibutan ug zamot kon e declare nga pwede na magminyo ang mga Catholic priest 

celebrate na dli celibate