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World Daily News / Re: Muslim Face Veil Banned in Belgium
« on: May 05, 2010, 02:29:53 PM »

in texts and in practice, women are never relegated as lower creatures anywhere there or in the religion called islam.  again, this perception is a western one.  it’s similar, but on a different angle, to the perception of other nationals that the u.s. is all about hollywood where money talks, has loose morals, and f**king comes easy between strangers.   

like you, i’m a woman, brown and catholic.  i didn’t feel hated because of these.  (there were some fellow nationals though who got glares because they wore backless dresses and mini skirts in a place where all that is asked for is decency in clothes and ladies who dress in western clothes are not required to wear the abaya at all.)  so i can’t imagine why you would feel hated when you were never there.
true.  persian food is good, though i can’t understand why this came into the picture when our subject was an arab city.  iran and the united arab emirates may share the same region and religion (they’re even facing each other in the arabian gulf), but persians (i.e. iranians) and arabs are two very different races.  surely, everyone has access to this information.

World Daily News / Re: Muslim Face Veil Banned in Belgium
« on: May 05, 2010, 02:24:11 PM »

these are available, and you would have gotten at them if only you bothered to explore more, all these years.  (that takes years, and the basis are not just current news with tilts.)  note:  the internet is not the only source.  it takes intellectual curiosity and the cleansing of one’s stereotypes to get at the truth. 

by the way, just because you didn’t get to these sources doesn’t necessarily make you belong to the majority just as my access wouldn’t relegate me to the minority, as you claim.  consider statistics, for starters.  let’s grant that muslims have access to information that christians don’t bother about.  how many muslims are there?  their number alone won’t make them the minority. 

meanwhile, ensconced in their own comfort of feeling like they’re the center of the world and couldn’t be bothered by other things except when such comforts are challenged, some americans (with exceptions, of course) don’t even know where kosovo is and are even wondering if filipinos are asians.  (info 1 was on american tv almost a decade ago; info 2 was on the internet lately.) 

sorry to let you get off that high horse, but not knowing some things doesn’t mean you’re in the majority.  your lack of access in this respect and the bias of your conclusions based on the little access that you have may be what would make you lonely.   

World Daily News / Re: Muslim Face Veil Banned in Belgium
« on: May 05, 2010, 02:18:18 PM »

 you should always hope.  there will always be good people where there are bad, as you may have noticed in the place where you are.  and our country is not as bad as the western press puts it, as you may also know.

World Daily News / Re: Muslim Face Veil Banned in Belgium
« on: May 05, 2010, 02:12:09 PM »

i’ve lived there for quite a while and spent my time studying the region’s history and taking in the local culture, so i feel like i could say some things with some basis about how it is there really.  if i may sound like i’m defending them, then that remains an unintended consequence.  the fact is i can’t stand it when conclusions are made out of a very thin basis, most especially if it’s about a people and their culture. 

World Daily News / Re: Muslim Face Veil Banned in Belgium
« on: May 05, 2010, 02:07:19 PM »

for all you know the telephone operators were of another nationality.  hardly are there locals there who work in such sector.  (of the total population, only 19 percent are locals.  81 percent come from the rest of the world.)

i once vacationed in new york and felt rudely treated too in some instances.  that didn’t lead me to believe that all americans are rude.

World Daily News / Re: Muslim Face Veil Banned in Belgium
« on: May 05, 2010, 02:02:18 PM »

oa or overboard, my opinion, that may or may not matter, is that it’s still making some kind of judgment on a culture in relation to our own, which is just as unfair since we’re talking here of what is fair and unfair.

i believe the news item says that it’s about a mother who complained because kissing was done in public where her children were.  it doesn’t say that the child alone is the witness.  whether it was on the lips or just a peck on the cheek doesn’t really matter.  and they also have ‘beyond the shadow of a doubt’, otherwise there would have been no investigation.

holding hands in public between a man and a woman who are not married to each other is not even allowed there.  why should foreigners go there and complain when they fail to follow this, and why  do people who have never been there make their own judgments?   

World Daily News / Re: Muslim Face Veil Banned in Belgium
« on: May 05, 2010, 10:24:25 AM »

lastly, this ‘holy war’ as spouted only by a group or groups as your reason for not wanting to have anything to do with them is also reason enough for you to miss out the good in the majority of these people.  too bad.  where you are, you could have had all the reasons to expand your horizon.

World Daily News / Re: Muslim Face Veil Banned in Belgium
« on: May 05, 2010, 10:21:13 AM »

liking or disliking them of course is your choice.  It is unfortunate that by your own admission the choice you made is based on your ‘little experience’.

World Daily News / Re: Muslim Face Veil Banned in Belgium
« on: May 05, 2010, 10:18:51 AM »

sorry, but your history didn’t serve you right.  try looking up on why there is such a country as jordan, for starters.  there was white colonization.  please take note that ‘white’ here doesn’t necessarily mean americans. 

the ‘catholic invasion’ during the crusades was on the holy land, mainly palestine, and in the strict sense of the word didn’t involve the arabs but the turks, though it can be said that it can be confusing because the holy land, which was then occupied by the turks, had people of the semitic race (to which both arabs and jews belong).

World Daily News / Re: Muslim Face Veil Banned in Belgium
« on: May 05, 2010, 10:06:41 AM »

i don’t think so.  the game of geopolitics is more rabid than our local politics.  people can always either amplify or diminish.  this isn’t new. 

‘Propaganda should be popular, not intellectually pleasing.  It is not the task of propaganda to discover intellectual truths.’ -Dr. Paul Joseph Goebbels

World Daily News / Re: Muslim Face Veil Banned in Belgium
« on: May 05, 2010, 09:56:40 AM »

as long as they’re not hurting us…’ so there it goes.  what hurts one society may not hurt another.  public kissing, in the case of the issue at hand, may not hurt in our dear old philippines, but it is different where the accused couple did it.  one, thus, cannot mete judgment on the other.  just because we believe we give allowances to those of different persuasions doesn’t mean others don’t.   

World Daily News / Re: Muslim Face Veil Banned in Belgium
« on: May 05, 2010, 09:53:11 AM »

did you mean minority, as in ‘…if that were the minority’?  because it’s not the majority, of that you can be sure.  to conclude otherwise is like saying that all anti-abortionists in the u.s. bomb abortion clinics and kill doctors who perform abortions.  or how about concluding that there are many timothy mcveighs in oklahoma?

and they’ve been undertaking measures to control these extremists.  i don’t know what your basis is for saying that they haven’t.  fortunately for me, i’ve read up, much, because i’m very interested in geopolitics and i bother to know all sides, including their vested interests. 

you can imagine the intelligence efforts they’ve made (in coordination with the worldwide intelligence network, including the u.s., naturally, and the Philippines, whose intelligence network is widely respected for its accuracy), and the number they’ve caught.  hardly does the western press fan these into blazing reports, but these are way, way more massive than catching school bullies in the u.s.   
there won’t be hundreds of flights to and from the middle east daily with countless visitors and investors going in and out if those countries don’t give courtesies to people of different persuasions.  i can honestly say without batting an eyelash that they are more courteous there (with old world charms like europeans) than how it is in our own country where we could get shouted down in our own airports.

and countries and societies have different standards of what’s offensive.  so why call ‘oa’ the uae’s standard of not allowing public kissing just because it is tolerated in your own milieu?

World Daily News / Re: Muslim Face Veil Banned in Belgium
« on: May 05, 2010, 09:47:24 AM »

hehehe.  just call to mind freddie aguilar.  i like his version best.

World Daily News / Re: Muslim Face Veil Banned in Belgium
« on: May 05, 2010, 09:46:05 AM »
if we take it only from the western press, it would appear that women are oppressed there.  up close and personal, we will note that we cannot find more pampered women.  try getting access to more varied sources of information and you will find out that not all that’s coming from that part of the world is bad.

sarah balabagan is real, a symbol that struck at the heart of the filipino’s (imagined) low status and imperfect bureaucratic red tape (how did she ever get out to be employed when she was a minor?) and, as usual, amplified for publicity.  an aside:  remember the guy who was at the forefront in saving her and whose face and name was all over the tri-media?  he ended up running for the senate, with sarah balabagan’s face behind him in his campaign posters.  he didn’t win.  the joke that the people will therefore vote for balabagan for senator did him in.

come on, there are many sarah balabagans in our own backyard, with fellow filipinos (and chinese, to be fair) abusing their household helpers themselves.  these don’t get the same publicity.  what I’m saying is that bad employers are everywhere, not just in the arab world. 

as for ‘people rallying death to the infidel’, unless otherwise fanned into a big flame by the western press, more often than not they may as well be likened to our student activists of yore shouting ‘makibaka, huwag matakot!’       

World Daily News / Re: Muslim Face Veil Banned in Belgium
« on: May 04, 2010, 07:01:33 PM »

i did read the article before commenting on your post, lycx.  clearly, the 'peck on the cheek' thing is the defense of the accused.  it was different for the local who called the attention of the police.  it is not for us to make conclusions as to who was right because we both weren't there as witnesses.  let's leave that to the investigators who are more often than not oxford-trained. 

as for the noise of your 'kagwangs', have you ever counted how many they are?  they're not the whole race.  they're just some organizations that seem noisier than they truly are because the western press amplifies it.  and the noise is not for every little reason, mind.  most of their histories are peppered with white colonization and the plunder of their resources.  they've been hurt.

maybe we should also read middle east history and not just current news from a british tabloid known for sensationalism.

how unchristian can we get when we generalize. this forum might explode if, hypothetically, someone would declare that pinays grovel at the sight of white men because their abiding ambition is to get married to them and be brought abroad.  it is a generalization, unfair and wholly wrong.  it is an affront to your dignity. 

but let me repeat myself, ad nauseam.  we go to a foreign country and live with their laws, or bust.  my sympathy is with those two british nationals, but it is unchristian to condescend to a people and the laws of a sovereign country like the united arab emirates.


LGU Philippines / Re: Choy Torralba Talks About Mayor Dan Lim
« on: May 04, 2010, 05:09:32 PM »
kun akoy pasultihon, pareha ra gyod tawon ug batasan ni si choy torralba ug dan lim.  ipinagbuklod ng tadhana nga magkita ang duhang burokinto.


dear prince,

thanks for reminding us of our trust in god, he who helps those who help themselves.       

there is no condemnation here, i believe.  there are just people expressing their side against environmental damage, more so that this involves cut acacias, those innocent trees with which a town's history and a people's memory have been shared. 

'atay a yellow ribbon round the old oak tree...'


the same holds true in our own country, actually.  no tree even in your own lot must be cut without denr's permit.  this particular case in guindulman could mean that a permit was granted.  why is what should be looked into.

World Daily News / Re: Muslim Face Veil Banned in Belgium
« on: May 04, 2010, 11:03:10 AM »

nganga bitaw ko ani the first time i learned this word, ms da binsi.  abaya ni sa arab world (am not sure if it's the whole arab world though) but it's called chador in iran, which isn't an arab country.  apelyido ni sa ato, di ba? kaliwat ug mga ilokano.  wa hinoon ko kahibawo ug naa bay apelyidong patadjong sa ilaha.  faet ug magtangag ug ngan nga mrs. patadjong, igsoon ni mrs. tsinelas, manghod ni mrs. t-back. ;D

World Daily News / Re: Muslim Face Veil Banned in Belgium
« on: May 04, 2010, 10:24:15 AM »[/url]

British Couple jailed in Dubai for kissing in public.

Pagka OA.  IF this situation was reversed unya kining mga kagwanga i-jail for something very stupid in other western societies..kadako kaha sa ilang protesta no..pero as usual...sige lang gilugaran ning mga yati-a ni.

truly oa for us, whose social mores differ from theirs.  but as usual, we cannot judge other cultures according to our own. 

di man hinoon prisohon sa atoa, pero ma-scandalize pa man tingali ta kun naay nagtukaay sa restaurant in full view of other customers.  (that's nothing in paris, of course, where i was scandalized to the max because it was a pinay nga wa gyod tawon mabugto ug tinuka sa iyang kauban nga white man, in full view of everyone in the park).

and by the way, if some noise is made if 'kining mga kagwanga' (your term for these people) i-jail for something very stupid in other western countries (western countries?  jailing kagwangs for something stupid?), the noise is often made by western mediamen who race for a scoop.  did you hear anything from these kagwangs themselves, ever?

to end this thus, it pays to always know the basic laws of a country one visits, most especially on public behavior.  it's one's safest bet.  one doesn't go abroad to impose one's values.  too bad for that british couple of public kissers.  they could have f**ked all they wanted in private.

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