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General Topic / Re: para mawala ang kasuko
« on: June 17, 2010, 11:42:42 PM »

daot na gyod diay kog mata, bai vhinz, kay kaingon kog nikanta na siya sa daplin aron hagbongan ug limos.  o ikaw ba kaha hinoon ang daot ug mata kay nganong nahimo mang warflex si wardiflex?

Note: [/b]all an every power that tried to exterminate the Jews all failed. Alexander's Empire collapsed, Babylon collapsed, The Roman Empire collapsed , Nazi Germany collapsed, and most recently the Arab nations that tried to stamp out Israel were defeated in all of its wars with Israel.

what goes up must come down.  all empires collapse, from the most ancient achaemenid empire to the medieval mongol empire, srivijaya empire, down to the modern british empire, western european empires, aztec empire, and the more recent soviet empire.  the world has known over 200 empires that came and went.  how many of these tried to exterminate the jews? 

i hope this particular note is not inferred from the data you have gathered because, excuse me, the collapse of empires has nothing to do with the current israeli-palestinian issue.

"Palastinia Sultaris"[/b]; and when Byzantium was conquered by the Ottoman Turks, it was renamed to Falastin; the Arabs have retained the term Falastin. The English equivalent of Falastin is: Palestine.

‘The Greek toponym Palestini (Παλαιστίνη), with which the Arabic Filastin (فلسطين) is cognate, first occurs in the work of the Greek historian Herodotus, active in the middle of the 5th century BCE, where it denotes generally the coastal land from Phoenicia down to Egypt. Herodotus also employs the term as an ethnonym, as when he speaks of the 'Syrians of Palestine' or 'Palestinian-Syrians', an ethnically amorphous group he distinguishes from the Phoenicians referring to the Aramaeic Samaritans led by Sanbalat and appointed by the Persian kings and the Arabs in Jerusalem referred to also by Ezra (the Bible).  The word bears comparison to a congeries of ethnonyms in Semitic languages, Ancient Egyptian Plst or flst, Assyrian as Palastu, and the Hebraic as Plishtim, the latter term used in the Bible to signify the Philistines.’ (from Etymology, Palestinian People, Wikipedia)

"Provincia Judea"[/b]) into Palestine ("Syria Palaestina") in order to erase the memory of the Jews. The Arabs then came to settle Judea (since it was devoid of its original inhabitants).

‘The Roman Emperor Hadrian determined to wipe out the identity of Israel-Judah-Judea.  Therefore, he took the name Palastina and imposed it on all the Land of Israel.  At the same time, he changed the name of Jerusalem to Aelia Capitolina.  The Romans killed many Jews and sold many more in slavery. Some of those who survived left the devastated country (and established Jewish communities throughout the Middle East) but there was never a complete abandonment of the Land of Israel.  That is, there were always Jews and Jewish communities in Palestine, though the size and conditions of those communities fluctuated greatly.’  (from Palestine History, pf_early_palestine_brief_history.php)

as for the “Arabs who came to settle Judea”, please refer to reply no. 9.


as in everything else in our discussion, i'm shocked and awed by this indigestible mishmash of information so generously given but has nothing to do with the topic.


it does not mean that by virtue of the ancient name of the place the ancestors of present-day palestinians were not there.

‘Recent genetic evidence has demonstrated that Palestinians as an ethnic group are closely related to Jews and represent modern descendants of a core population that lived in the area since prehistoric times,  largely predating the Arabian Muslim conquest that resulted in their acculturation, established Arabic as the predominant vernacular, and over time also Islamized many of them from various prior faiths.’  (from Palestinian People, Wikipedia)



you have, indeed, inferred, in your own usual way.  inference is akin to extrapolation, which in verb form means "to come up with conclusions from known data".  please don't get me wrong, but your inference, i.e., conclusion, is a lecture on history that would have been more enjoyable to read if you bothered to summarize this particular aspect of history from your source (which, I’m prone to believe, is pf_early_ palestine_ brief_ history.php).  unfortunately, i find this source biased any way I look at it.  how about getting facts and distilling them from many sources first before jumping to conclusions?  there’s so much data out there from which we could infer, but it should be data from all sides that should interest us.  

"No two historians ever agree on what happened, and the damn thing is they both think they're telling the truth." (Harry S. Truman)

 oh, the wikipedia (on the palestinian people) in this instance strikes me as more balanced.  (quite unlike the wikipedia entry on our homegrown iglesia ni cristo which is inherently biased.)  needless to say, for purposes of scholarly research, it would be greatly appreciated if you quote or name your source when you post entries such as these.  

and while we’re at it, we’re both veering away from this thread’s topic, a situation that you yourself insisted is something that you strictly guard against.  what could have been a topic started by you and answerable with a yes or no with some explanation perhaps for one’s answer has now morphed into a history lesson.  be that as it may, i am at least assured that you won’t delete your own entry.  

Introduce Yourself / Re: What is Your Present Profession?
« on: June 17, 2010, 06:22:19 PM »

welcome, jay-d.  have fun and let your hair down.  shelve english grammar for a while, if you may. ;D

Facts and Trivia / Re: Your Last Word Is Mine!
« on: June 17, 2010, 05:38:08 PM »

salamat, pero ajaw na lang, vhinz.  abi pa lang, mora pod kag nawong ug baki.


my goodness!  hinoon, lingin gyod tuod ang bola.  besides, underdogs hold their own charms.  switzerland may be at the low end of the totem pole of football, but it had its sweet revenge some years back when a game was played in that country.  daliang nawad-an ug ginhawa ang players from other countries tungod sa height sa switzerland from the sea level.   

Facts and Trivia / Re: Your Last Word Is Mine!
« on: June 17, 2010, 05:22:55 PM »

sunogon nako ang discohan kun mao nay akong maparis.

Love Talk / Re: An Open Love Letter for an Unknown Woman
« on: June 17, 2010, 05:17:36 PM »
dear TIGkagud,

nahiabot na kang kaguran ang imong mga panghayhay.  sa kinadul-ang pagsubang sa buwan, makasalig ka nga padung na siya nimo, nagbugsay-bugsay sa kaharuhay sa iyang mga hubag, botoy, ug hoboy nga sa akong nasabtan maoy iyang gasa kanimo.  

tabi tuod, kanang islander nga imong gisul-ob, palihog, higala, kun di ba na ang nasiklot gikan sa ikaduhang ang-ang sa among hagdanan.

nagpabilin nga gatiniil,


p.s.  ajaw lang tagda ang mga voyeurs nga ang mga ngan bugsay ug hubag.  mga wanted man gud kuno ni sila.  gipangita ug mga tay-ang kaguran.

Love Talk / Re: The worst thing you can do for love is deny it
« on: June 17, 2010, 05:08:32 PM »
The worst thing you can do for love is deny it[/u]; so when you find that special someone, don't let anyone or anything to get in your way.” - anonymous

di ko tantong sold ani, to be honest.  mag-unsa na lang kun asawa o bana ang mo-get in the way?

Love Talk / Re: The worst thing you can do for love is deny it
« on: June 17, 2010, 05:06:14 PM »

ang saging man tingali ani ang ilambos sa punoan sa saging...

General Topic / Re: para mawala ang kasuko
« on: June 17, 2010, 05:03:02 PM »

if i, as one reader, constitute the many, boy, am i flattered. ;)

General Topic / Re: para mawala ang kasuko
« on: June 17, 2010, 11:54:42 AM »

basa mo ni lorenzo here at tb.  wagtang gyod dayon inyong anger.

Question and Answer / Re: Who is your favorite actress
« on: June 17, 2010, 11:51:04 AM »
cate blanchett is super.  but let me add to my short list our 8-year-old girl who can mimic michael jackson's voice (circa jackson 5). ;D

Love Talk / Re: An Open Love Letter for an Unknown Woman
« on: June 17, 2010, 11:44:16 AM »
dear TIGkagud,

buot lang nakong ipaabot kanimo ang gisulti ni kaguran.  diri lang siya nako nikumpisal agi ug gitawag natong kauwaw kay tuod shy girl man ni siya ('little shy girl/ i'd like to make you my girl/ but each time i try/ to catch your eye/ you always look away...')

gibati sad siyag kamingaw nimo, TIG, gibatig kahidlaw, gibatig kahigwaos, labi na sa iyang pagduda nga di ra siya maoy imong makaguran, masakyan, ug matadtaran.

sultihi lang ko kun tinuod ba o di kining tanan niyang pagduda aron akong ipaabot kaniya ang kamatuoran.  alimahan ko kining imong ikumpisal.  himoon ko kining sikretong bulawan nga ang kamahal sama sa golden buddha ni kanhing presidente marcos.  way laing makahibawo gawas sa kapupod-an sa pilipinas.

nagpaabot sa imong pagkamatinud-anon,


p.s.  unsa?  japanese-made na karon imong kaguran?

Love Talk / Re: An Open Love Letter for an Unknown Woman
« on: June 17, 2010, 11:33:08 AM »

mao-mao ra man tingali na.  kanyahay ra gimingaw si TIGkagud. ;D


you're welcome, lorenzo.

let's simplify things for better understanding of what this thread is all about before we get too garbled and before there is more mention of what subjects one had taken or how one had stumped his college instructor.  since this is all about similarities and differences, here goes:

symbols:  christianity - the cross
              judaism      - the star of david
              islam         - the star and crescent 

origin of the name:  christianity - from the greek 'christos' (anointed), referring to jesus christ
                  judaism     - from the hebrew 'yehudim' (judah)
                            islam        - from the arabic 'submission', also the arabic salaam (peace)

followers (2006 estimates):  christianity - 2.1 billion
                                       judaism     -  14 million
                                       islam         - 1.3 billion     
p.s. i can slowly, in installments, post the similarities and differences of these three major religions and try my best to simplify them, that is, i won't flood this thread with data in one go.  however, for those interested in comparative religion and have the leisure for research, a good internet source (among many) is

the study of comparative religion, to my mind, helps us traverse the paths of our biases.  it could help us understand why we're not really too different in our faiths.  i can't imagine delving into similarities and differences just to prove other religions wrong.     

we all wish to go to heaven though we take different paths.

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