Author Topic: Apropos to a "stupid god" statement (Read 1231 times)

islander · « **on:** June 28, 2018, 07:03:44 PM »

The quote, dated 22 June 2018, during the National Information-Communication Technology (ICT)Summit, Davao City:

“Who is this stupid God? This son of a bitch is then really stupid. How can you rationalize a God? Do you believe?” - President Rodrigo R. Duterte

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islander · « **Reply #1 on:** June 28, 2018, 07:45:59 PM »

from Luis Antonio G. Cardinal Tagle:

June 27, 2018

My Dear Priests in the Archdiocese of Manila,

Greetings of joy and peace! I am now in Geneva for the UN Conference on Migrants and Refugees sponsored by the Holy See, Caritas Internationalis, the World Council of Churches, International Detention Coalition, and other groups. Msgr. Clem Ignacio has requested for my thoughts on the recent issues in our country. I admit that I do not have a complete picture of the context, but I would like to share some random thoughts with you.

1. Be at peace. Be calm. Don't let things disturb your inner peace. Let us read the situation with the eyes of faith.

2. Vatican II stressed that we Catholics should respect non-Catholics and their religions. We also respect those who do not believe in God. All people should strive to respect those who differ from their beliefs. Religions are not to be used for conflicts but for mutual understanding and peace.

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islander · « **Reply #2 on:** June 28, 2018, 07:46:57 PM »

3. Questioning God and God's ways is not new. It is as old as humanity and religions. In the history of the church they have become moments for study, reflection and clarification of doctrine. Creation and evolution, God's goodness and evil, God's grace and human freedom, God's mercy and eternal punishment – these topics have been raised at various moments of the Church's history. In my visits to colleges and universities, I have been asked similar questions by young people. Their scientific and technological education calls for a review of the relationship between Faith, science and reason. Remember Glyzelle, the young girl who asked Pope Francis at UST, "Why does God allow children to suffer? "These questions are always raised and will continue to be raised. As a constructive step, perhaps, we can invite our philosophers, scientists, theologians, bible scholars, catechists and social workers to revisit these concerns and present responses appropriate to our contemporary sensibilities. Maybe a renewed apologetics is needed for those who are sincerely searching for the truth.

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islander · « **Reply #3 on:** June 28, 2018, 07:47:31 PM »

4. While these questions are extremely important for the dialogue between faith and current concerns, let us not be distracted from addressing other pressing concerns with the fervor of faith and love: for example, the increasing prices of goods, job security, exploitation of women and children, violence in homes and neighborhoods, different types of addictions, crimes, vulnerabilities of OFWs, the daily paralyzing traffic in big cities, flooding, reconstruction of destroyed cities, combatting terrorism, corruption and others. We need to come together and contribute to positive responses according to each one's capability. We cannot address these problems by just blaming someone. Those who believe in God must work faithfully and joyfully for the Lord. Those who do not believe in God must serve out of human decency, generosity and concern for neighbors.

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islander · « **Reply #4 on:** June 28, 2018, 07:48:17 PM »

5. Some biblical texts might help restore a faith perspective and interior peace when people get disturbed by questions about God and God's ways. Here are some:

"My thoughts are not your thoughts, nor are your ways My ways, says the Lord." (Isaiah 55:8 )

"We preach Christ crucified: a scandal to Jews and absurdity to Gentiles. But to those who are called, Christ the power of God and the Wisdom of God. For God's folly is wiser than men and his weakness, more powerful than men." (I Corinthians 1:23-25)

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islander · « **Reply #5 on:** June 28, 2018, 07:49:14 PM »

"Blest are you when they insult you and persecute you and utter every kind of slander against you because of Me. Be glad and rejoice, for your reward is great in heaven." (Matthew 5:11-12)

To sum up, please remind our Christian faithful to rejoice always, as Pope Francis in his latest exhortation Gaudete et Exultate tells us. Celebrate the faith! Fill up the churches! Sing loudly at mass. Pray fervently. Serve joyfully. Tell the world of God’s love for you. Be fools for Christ. Be at peace. God is the Savior. We do not need to save God. It is God who will save us.

I hope these "scattered" ideas could help. Please pray for our meeting here at Geneva. God bless us and our country!

+ Luis Antonio G. Cardinal Tagle
Archbishop of Manila

– Rappler.com

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islander · « **Reply #6 on:** June 29, 2018, 01:26:28 AM »

+Luis Antonio G. Cardinal Tagle
Archbishop of Manila

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islander · « **Reply #7 on:** June 29, 2018, 01:32:57 AM »

FUNDAMENTALIST INTERPRETATION OF GOD?

Duterte might have been ‘absent’ during Catechism class – bishop

By: Julius N. Leonen
Reporter
June 26, 2018

President Rodrigo Duterte might have been “absent” when Catechism was being discussed in class since his interpretation of the Bible was not in line with the Catholic faith, according to Caloocan Bishop Pablo Virgilio David.

David said he was “sure that [Duterte’s interpretation] was not how religious education teachers of Ateneo and San Beda teach Catechism.”

“What we were criticizing was his own interpretation of the Bible,” David said in a statement written in Filipino and posted on Facebook.

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islander · « **Reply #8 on:** June 29, 2018, 01:33:38 AM »

“Maybe he was absent when his teacher explained it to him,” David said. “The Adam and Eve story of the Book of Genesis is in the Bible, not only of the Catholics, but also in the Jewish bible, Protestant bible, Orthodox bible and Iglesia ni Cristo bible,” he stresed.

The creation story in the Bible, David said, had different interpretations, explaining that Duterte’s interpretation was “sort of fundamentalist.”

“[The interpretation] was far from what the puzzle contained in Genesis Chapter 3 intended to suggest,” the bishop said.

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islander · « **Reply #9 on:** June 29, 2018, 01:34:26 AM »

“It was about a free man created by God who has the ability to use his freedom to do evil,” he said. “The story is a conundrum. The writer knows that no snake can actually speak in real life. The language is figurative.”

According to the bishop, nothing in the Bible states that the Lord created the world as perfect and that He sent the snake to tempt Eve.

“In what bible did the President read that? The sin isn’t just about eating a forbidden fruit that caused malice. Nothing in the Bible also states that the fruit was an apple,” David said.

“The story was about the desire of man to ‘become like God’ or to ‘act like God’ [as stated in] Genesis 3:4-5,” he said. /atm

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islander · « **Reply #10 on:** June 29, 2018, 01:42:13 AM »

Most Rev. Pablo Virgilio S. David, D.D.
Bishop of Caloocan

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islander · « **Reply #11 on:** June 29, 2018, 02:07:15 AM »

Let’s pray for Duterte’s healing, bishops urge

By: Tina G. Santos
Reporter
June 27, 2018

President Rodrigo Duterte INQUIRER FILE PHOTO / JOAN BONDOC

Two Catholic bishops have called on the faithful to pray for President Rodrigo Duterte’s “healing” following his “stupid God” rant, but one prelate suggested that Catholics also rebuke his “errors” on the Christian faith.

The President, notorious for having cursed Pope Francis and world leaders, sounded unapologetic on Monday night, but he formed a three-man team to dialogue with the Church and other religious organizations.

As the furor over the President’s remark grew louder among the clergy and Catholics, Lingayen-Dagupan Archbishop Socrates Villegas exhorted the faithful to “choose to love” the President and even “pray for him with compassion.”

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islander · « **Reply #12 on:** June 29, 2018, 02:08:41 AM »

“We pray for his healing and for God’s forgiveness on him,” he said on Tuesday in an open letter posted on the archdiocese website and addressed to the youth. “But we must rebuke his errors about our Christian faith.”

“He is a person in authority and some of you might get confused when you hear him,” said Villegas, a former president of the Catholic Bishops’ Conference of the Philippines (CBCP).

“To pray for him is not enough. We must serve you the truth as we pray for him,” he added.

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islander · « **Reply #13 on:** June 29, 2018, 02:09:28 AM »

Sunday Mass appeal

Bishop Alberto Uy of the Diocese of Tagbilaran in Bohol province appealed to parishioners “to pray for healing so that the President’s heart could be healed.”

“We need to be hopeful. We continue to respect our President. And we pray for him,” Uy said during Sunday Mass at St. John the Baptist Church in Garcia Hernandez town. “We pray for healing.”

The Philippine Council of Evangelical Churches (PCEC) also called on evangelical Christians to keep praying for the President and his administration to be able “to lead our nation with the knowledge, wisdom and righteousness that come from God.”

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islander · « **Reply #14 on:** June 29, 2018, 02:10:10 AM »

In a televised speech in Davao City on Friday, the President took aim at the biblical story of man’s creation, and asked why God created Adam and Eve only to allow them to fall from grace.

“Who is this stupid God? You created something perfect and then you think of an event that would destroy the quality of your work,” the 73-year-old leader said. “How can you rationalize that God? How can you believe him?”

Despite the outrage, the President defended his remark when he addressed village officials in Cagayan de Oro City on Monday night.

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islander · « **Reply #15 on:** June 29, 2018, 02:11:09 AM »

‘My God is perfect’

“Your God is not my God because your God is stupid. Mine has a lot of common sense,” he said. “If I choose not to believe in any God, what’s the f***** thing about it? It’s a freedom to choose one.”

At another point, the President said: “I did not say that God is stupid; listen to the records,” he said. “I said your God is a stupid God, my God is perfect.”

Even so, presidential spokesperson Harry Roque said on Tuesday that he had been tasked by the President to initiate a dialogue with the CBCP, PCEC and other religious groups.

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islander · « **Reply #16 on:** June 29, 2018, 02:11:39 AM »

“The theme will be how to lessen the rift between the government and the Church,” said Roque, who will constitute the panel together with Foreign Undersecretary Ernesto Abella and Council for Philippine Affairs secretary general Pastor Boy Saycon.

The CBCP president, Archbishop Romulo Valles, welcomed the move. “To dialogue, to listen to one another, is always good.”

The President has excoriated the Church over reports of abuses by priests in response to the latter’s criticism of the administration’s bloody war on drugs.

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islander · « **Reply #17 on:** June 29, 2018, 02:12:45 AM »

‘Blasphemous’ remarks

While others were conciliatory, more Church leaders have come out to denounce what some called “blasphemous” remarks.

“How can he be President for all Filipinos if he does not have the respect for the Catholic faithful?”’ Caloocan Bishop Pablo Virgilio David, CBCP vice president, said in a Facebook post.

“Most of his supporters are Catholics, right? Catholics will respect him even if he does not agree with the Catholic faith. But disagreement is not a license to insult,” David added.

The PCEC national director, Noel Pantoja, also condemned the remarks, saying it was “completely inappropriate for the President to derisively curse at the God of the Christian faith, who is deeply worshipped not only by a majority of Filipinos but also by a vast number of people from all over the world.”

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islander · « **Reply #18 on:** June 29, 2018, 02:13:31 AM »

But Pantoja also appealed to Rodrigo Duterte “to instead lead in fostering respect toward different religious beliefs.”

Chief presidential legal counsel Salvador Panelo defended Mr. Duterte anew, saying he and many other Catholics were not offended by his remarks.

“Maybe to you it’s insulting . . . I was not insulted as a Catholic. Many Catholics have not been insulted by that,” he said over ANC. — With reports from Gabriel Cardinoza, Leo Udtohan, Divina Suson, Jigger Jerusalem, Christine O. Avendaño, Julie Aurelio and AP

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