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Tithing is an Old Testament concept. The tithe was a requirement of the law in which all Israelites were to give 10 percent of everything they earned and grew to the Tabernacle/Temple (Leviticus 27:30; Numbers 18:26; Deuteronomy 14:24; 2 Chronicles 31:5). In fact, the Old Testament Law required multiple tithes which would have pushed the total to around 23.3 percent, not the 10 percent which is generally considered the tithe amount today. Some understand the Old Testament tithe as a method of taxation to provide for the needs of the priests and Levites in the sacrificial system. The New Testament nowhere commands, or even recommends, that Christians submit to a legalistic tithe system. Paul states that believers should set aside a portion of their income in order to support the church (1 Corinthians 16:1-2).

The New Testament nowhere designates a percentage of income a person should set aside, but only says it is to be “in keeping with income” (1 Corinthians 16:2). Some in the Christian church have taken the 10 percent figure from the Old Testament tithe and applied it as a “recommended minimum” for Christians in their giving. The New Testament talks about the importance and benefits of giving. We are to give as we are able. Sometimes that means giving more than 10 percent; sometimes that may mean giving less. It all depends on the ability of the Christian and the needs of the church. Every Christian should diligently pray and seek God’s wisdom in the matter of participating in tithing and/or how much to give (James 1:5). Above all, all tithes and offerings should be given with pure motives and an attitude of worship to God and service to the body of Christ. “Each man should give what he has decided in his heart to give, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver” (2 Corinthians 9:7).

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If you give TO GOD, you will be blessed by GOD.
Because he knows your faith.
If you are poor and you tithe, with the amount that is suitable for you,
Surely, the LORD WILL BLESS YOU.

If you are rich, and you tithe none, do not expect to be blessed.

Simple Fact.

Especially in these HARD Times, you guys will know what I mean.
And if you read these verses in scripture regarding Tithing.
You know what I mean.


Glory to God in the Highest!

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When we give, brother Koddi, don't be so worried on who gives or what amount a person gives. We give, because we know in our heart it is right to Give to God.

God does not care what amount  you give, for ALL THE EARTH IS HIS FOOTSTOOL.
hehehe.

He sees that we give. And what is in our HEARTS.

Even those that take advantage of collections.
For they have already reaped their rewards.

The Lord God In Heaven is NOT blind, nor is the Lord God deaf.



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But as for us, we are reminded to Tithe. Tithe so that we will be blessed by the LORD OUR GOD.


Give so that you may ge Given.
Bless so that you will be Blessed.


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What Jesus is telling us in Luke 21:1

is that we give to GOD with what we can afford, but we give through our HEART.
Because Our Lord sees through us. He does not see the paper that is given or the metal coin that is placed in a basket.

He sees our HEART. That tho we might be poor, struggling alot just to make the day's meat, we still take part of our finances to give a little to THE LORD.
On our own free will. He sees that, folks!

He knows how much we worked for our salaries, he knows  how much we have to pay for our rent, our food, our groceries, he knows that we have dependents, he knows we have to pay for taxes, for tuitions etc. But,

We give to HIM anyway. AMEN!
That shows faith, folks. Faith in GOD because we have trust IN HIM.
Bless GOD so HE WILL BLESS US.

Remember Matthew 6:33,
"Seek Ye First the Kingdom of God and HIS righteousness, and all these these shall be added unto You."

Sige, God Bless~

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Ate Raquel, you, indeed, point out something that we all should take the time to ponder, and at the same time need to remain steadfast in reading the word.

First and foremost, let us give our Thanks to God, one, for allowing us to even think and talk about this, which is a testament to the Holy Spirit within our bodies (The Temple of The Holy Spirit). The fact that we are communing among one another and discussing this is testament to His presence in this conversation.

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Remember and read this verse from Malachi, which Resounds in The Lord God of Hosts' message to Us. This message was resounded for His People, Israel, and so it resounds to Us, his adopted children through our faith in Jesus Christ.

“Bring the whole tithe into the storehouse, so that there may be food in My house, and test Me now in this,” says the Lord of hosts, “if I will not open for you the windows of heaven, and pour out for you a blessing until it overflows” (Malachi 3:10).

We have to remeber the Law of Moses. The very law that The Lord God of Hosts wrote with his Own Hands. And we Know, in our hearts that Christ Jesus Who is the Alpha and the Omega, was the One that wrote that Law for Moses.

As Christ Jesus is The Lord God of Hosts. He is the Only Begotten Son of The Father. And is inseparable from the Father.

Jesus Christ even tells us that He and the Father Are one:
(John 10:30): And Christ Said, "I and My Father are ONE."

Christ Specifically tells us that he was there in the Time of Moses, as He was there even before the time of Prophet Abraham, who is the father of all Israel.
(John 8:58): And Jesus said unto them, 'Before your father Abraham was, I AM.'
Remember that the ETERNAL covenant with God and the People started with Abraha, from which The Law would be given to Moses (centuries later).

We know that Tithing was part of the Law of Moses.

But we ask ourselves, did Christ come to break the law? Did He tell us to evade the Law? Of course not, He came not to abolish the Law, but to FULFILL it. He wrote the Law, guys. Christ IS GOD in the Flesh. How could The Creator and Alpha the Omega break His Own Eternal and Everlasting Covenant with His people ISRAEL, which was validated and legitimized by THE LAW, that He gave to Moses (rhetorical question ra ni)?


Let us remember what Christ told US and continues to Tell US:
   
(Matthew 5:17-19)
17"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 19Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.


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Let each one do just as he has purposed in his heart; not grudgingly or under compulsion; for God loves a cheerful giver (2 Corinthians 9:7).

What the Bible is saying here is: Give what you are genuinely happy to give.
  It is not saying: Give more than you can afford, and then pretend to be happy about it.
  The closest thing to a formula for giving in the New Testament is found in the words, “…as he has purposed in his heart…”
  God wants you to give what you want to give, what you are comfortable in giving. If you cannot give it cheerfully, don’t give it at all. God doesn’t want it, and He won’t accept it.





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There are some of us that teach that tithing is not unecessary, there are some of us that would say that Christ's death and rising of the Cross has pardoned us from the need to observe the LAW, and preach that belief alone is enough. I say to them, that way of ministry and that teaching is erred.

It is in contradiction to what Christ Jesus Tells Us, DIRECTLY:

(Matthew 5:17-19)
17"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 19Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.


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If we teach Scriptural Doctrine, we have to teach EVERYTHING, and observe everything, teaching the wrong thing---is not only ambivalent, but in contradiction to God's Word.

Christ Came to Fulfill The Law. He specifically tells us not a pen or stroke will be edited from The Law until the Very End.

For anyone to argue otherwise and teaches otherwise, is blaspheming.

Amen.

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Thanks for the clear explaination Bran. I never felt like a scribe or chief priest before lol .I am asking almost the same question 2,000 years ago.
About the priest scandal I know it's sad and you are right who are we to judge. I know Satan was in his full force of waging war against Our Lord so he make sure he will attacked the weakest among the weak of Jesus choosen one. He never bother temping those  who are tempted because He know it's His already.

The Church has ever proved indestructible. Her persecutors have failed to destroy her; in fact, it was during times of persecution that the Church
grew more and more; while the persecutors themselves, and those whom the Church would destroy, are the very ones who came to nothing.  . . .
Again, errors have assailed her; but in fact, the greater the number of errors that have arisen, the more has the truth been made manifest. . . . Nor has the Church failed before the assaults of demons: for she is like a tower of refuge to all who fight against the Devil.



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To my dear Ate Raquel,

Your question was an honest and a pure question, and just the fact that all of us are congregating and communing with one another looking for answers and talking and explaining to one another is the manifestation of the Holy Spirit---that is In all of Us.

Our eternal souls, cannot help but yearn, innately, to look towards TRUTH. It searches for truth, it hungers and thirts for truth. Because TRUTH is the very One who created our  eternal souls. It is The Lord God Of Heaven who Sitteth Upon the Heavens.

We are discussing this because we are thirst and hunger for righteousness.
Hehehe, that is a good trait for anyone to have, in actuality, I am glad that you guys are responding so much to this thread. The reason why I started this thread was because of a sermon my priest had several weeks ago, and after reading about it. I merely wanted to share The Word.

And lo and behold, responses came abound. We respond because our soul beckons us to ask for answers. It is the innate being within us to search and ask for Truth.

hehehe, as you said, we are still asking teh same questions--that were asked 2000 years ago.



Keep up the Faith. Beautiful kaayo imung faith, 'te Raquel. And to M, as well.
To all that believe and take it to heart, even those that read this and don't respond yet agree to the message of the Word.

God bless,,,
all of us~

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Amen!

Ingoon atong GINOO that those that steal and do things for the selfish goal to gain men's praise and reward is guilty of Hypocrisy. The Lord Our God is so sincere and so OBSERVANT that he knows what is our hearts. He knows that if we are doing something for a genuine cause or reason, and knows it when an individual does so to gain favor among men, and least emphasis on THE LORD OUR GOD.

Remember that verse that I shared sa first page in this thread.

There were two people giving tithes to The Temple of God. One rich man who gave with his excesses, and a poor woman who only gave 2 cents.

The Lord Jesus Christ saw this. And you know what Our Lord said?

He said: Look at that woman, tho she only gives 2 cents, she gives more than all others combined. Because the others are giving only their excesses, but this widow woman, this poor old woman, gave all that she had. All her life's livelihood.

So beautiful kaayo atong GINOO.

He knows everything. If we are in financial distress, or in a trying position in finances, but we still give anyway to GOD, he knows this and feels it. He searches our hearts, and our souls. The fact that we give, despite our pains and our limitations to give, He will bless us.

He promised us so in Malachi.

We might not experience the blessings immediately, but it will happen.
Because as you see, brethren In Christ, everything happens in GOD'S TIME.
hehehe



Love you all,
be good,
Bran

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Yes, Amen! Your words are filled with the Holy Spirit, Ate Raquel.

The teachings that we have professed and reiterate comes from the sanctified Apostolic Tradition, which is correct and sanctified. The Roman Catholic Church bears its line, directly to Peter the Apostle. Do note that there were many apostles (12) and of the 12, when Jesus asked them who the people thought He (referring to Christ Jesus) was, their answers ranged from "John the Baptist, A teacher, Prophet Elijah"

But out of the 12, it was Peter, who was Sanctified by the Father, that answered, "You Are THE CHRIST. The Only Son of the Living God!"
(matthew 16)

hehehe! So as you see, yes there are many apostoles that preach, and profess the faith (to which is correct), but It was Peter--that was sanctified. He was the First Apostle. He was the one that started his ministry in Rome.

We bear our justification of the Church in Matthew 16. Christ especially and Specifically appropriates special power and responsibility to Peter, expeclicitly:

Let us read:


13When Jesus came to the region of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, "Who do people say the Son of Man is?"
 14They replied, "Some say John the Baptist; others say Elijah; and still others, Jeremiah or one of the prophets."

 15"But what about you?" he asked. "Who do you say I am?"

 16Simon Peter answered, "You are THE Christ, the Son of the living God."

 17Jesus replied, "Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by man, but by my Father in heaven. 18And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it. 19I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven." 20Then he warned his disciples not to tell anyone that he was the Christ.





(Matthew 16: 13-20)

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Though The Holy Roman Catholic Church may have suffered setbacks in centuries prior because of the abuses of power by some men of the clothe, the Church was not at fault. The Church is absolutely and completely Infallable. The Church is the direct link between GOD and Man.

It is correct to say thatthere were some men that took advantage of their responsibilities and their powers to appropriate favors, titles and earthly rewards.

But that was addressed in the Great Reformation, and the constant admonishing of those that lost their way is always addressed. So you seen, We, His Church, is the body of men and women that profess in the faith that has been taught to us-UNCHANGED since the beginning of the Church.

The Church is implaccable, it is innocent of wrongdoing. Men, and Women may have fallen to the sway of temptation, due to our innate grievance to sin, but the Church itself, is untouchable. You see, in cannot be touched. Christ justifies it. Nourishes it. Protects it, and defends it.
Hell cannot nor does it have power over it.

Those that have attacked the church were broken. Communism, tried to destroy roman catholicism and the faith in Eastern Europe. Russian Bolshevik communism fell within 40 years. And in Poland (which was a communist state for almost half a century), bursted in Catholic Fervor. We saw this when Pope John Paul (Il Papa) visited in 1980. The communists could not even control the local population, as MILLIONS gathered to hold a Catholic Mass by the pope, the High Priest of Jesus Christ.

It is humbling to know this. That the Communists who tried to subvert catholic and christian teachings for the past 40-50 years and tried to outlaw religious attendance as a 'foolish opiate of the masses' failed absolutely.

Communism ( a political theory that belives in only the State and denies A God) was destroyed.
Destroyed.

You see, nothing can touch the Church. Nothing.

They may threaten the Church with weapons, guns, propaganda.
They may have their day for years, even decades, but as we observe---their wickedness and their impurity is not ignored.

For EVERYTHING goes and accords iself in GOD'S TIME.
Catholic Faith (in faith) destroyed communism in Poland. Not by war, or death, or guns, but simply by faith. Faith that moved men and women's hearts to search for Truth. For equality and liberty. In search for Truth.

hehehe.

Amen.

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hehe, both messages (Malachi and Corinthians) usher the same meaning, Mr. Daray. The tone has not changed, just the matter of perception for the individual according to the Message of the WORD.

When the Lord says "Test Me" in Malachi 3:10, it was an invitation to all to show their faith and Trust in God. The message of Trusting God in Everything, has not changed at all. Whatsoever.

All in all, the basic message is this: If you want to be blessed, tithe and Give to the Lord. If you don't want to be blessed, don't tithe. Tithing is an act of Trust. You do so not because you are forced to do so--but you do so because your Faith directs you to Give in Trusting God's Good Graces.

Its a beautiful concept, an act of Faith. Hearing and Doing the Word. It illustrates how despite the times have changed, freedoms and rights acquired through the liberalization of society---that the Man of God still TRUSTS in God's Grace.

"For Man cannot live by bread alone, but by every WORD that comes from the Mouth of God"




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Dear Brother BBrav,

The following message that I posted referred to the importance of keeping Holy the relationship of Jesus Christ and oneself. It is clear that Jesus declares that He came not to abolish the law, which is in reference to Mosaic Law, but rather, was the completion and the sanctification of the Law. The Law of Moses , the very Law that Christ instructed Moses to teach as well as the following prophets to implement in the lives of the Jews is a spiritual guide. Spiritual observation of the Law is what I was referring to, since it bears to mind our own frailties and imperfect characteristics as sinners requiring grace and salvation--which comes through Christ.

Christ tells us in the verse in Matthew 5:17-19 that not a stroke will be removed until the heavens and the earth come to end. The Catholic Church as well as many conservative Christian theological schools of thought describes this as a constancy. Eternal everlasting. For the Law judges everyone accordingly to his or her own actions, and thus provides the basis for Christ in the role of the Judge. St. Paul's reference in Romans chapter 7, in my opinion, refers to the newly converted Jews to release themselves from the bondage of the law and into the faith in Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior. One has to take into consideration that Paul was one of the few Jews that wanted to preach not only to the gentiles but also to convert the Jews of Judea and Asia Minor to Christianity. The Jews were too concerned in the concept of lawful obedience that they did not observe the most crucial point of Christ's coming to the world---He was the Fulfillment of the Law.

There is the difference. The Law indicates our requirements, and puts to mind our limitations--as sinful beings and imperfect since the fall in Genesis.

Christ provides the basis of salvation and puts to mind that tho the Law is under His Feet, it must be taught, and it most not be changed. Since the law provides the basis of one's condemnation, Christ also provides the basis for one's salvation. The point here is spiritual observation of the Law as one builds strong relationship with Jesus Christ, who is the fulfillment of the Law.

Brother, When St. Paul referred to the neo-Christians being released from the Law, it refers to their salvation in Christ.
Christ is the Salvation, and the completion of the said limitations placed unto us by the Law. He does not say the Law is to be spiritually defunct, but rather, his ministry carries on the very core message of Christ's Gospel.


God Bless you and thank you for bringing your question.

Love,
Bran.

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