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Re: Can we tolerate a gay marriage in our country?
« Reply #80 on: January 22, 2010, 11:47:38 PM »
christian country??? do you really believe in that crap?
christian country nga bisan sulod sa simbahan naay mangunguot?
christian country nga ang kinabuhi sa usa ka tawo is only worth a nokia 3210 cellphone?

I don't agree with gay marriages.  But I just don't agree when people use christianity as a reason.

i don't really believe in that christian country thing coz i am not blind not to be aware of the kind of country we are in and the kind of people we are living with in this country but that is what this country claims that the biggest population are christians...i am not even on the side of the church...i am only to imply nga lisud tugkaron ng ilang gipamugos nga gay marriage coz i don't think that the ones seated in the administration mokontra sa gusto sa simbahan...



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Re: Can we tolerate a gay marriage in our country?
« Reply #81 on: January 22, 2010, 11:48:21 PM »
pataka ra man na nga pangan kuya glacier

mura man nig ngalan og artista sa puting tabil, eiluj...

klaro julie ang ngalan.

basin sa. gibali lang. sama sa Julie's Bakeshop. hehehhee...peys jul.



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Re: Can we tolerate a gay marriage in our country?
« Reply #82 on: January 23, 2010, 12:05:00 AM »
what pisses me off is when people resurfaces their reluctance to accept the reality that gay people are people, and not something else, and should be accepted fairly as part of the community, not as some sort of plague or horrendous disease. People are talking about giving equality and freedom and harmony among human races, but the truth is, that will never be attained long as we keep questioning ourselves with questions like this one brought up here in this thread.

I feel sick and tired of answering questions like this, but no matter how many times this question is asked, my belief and stand is the same and will never change. Why, in the first place, is it a huge concern whether or not gay marriage should be allowed? Are you people afraid that when it is, things would all end up in eternal damnation? What a crap.

I am not going to say all this because I am "one of them", but because this is what I see around us, this is what I observe, this is what I realize after much weighing in, and this is what I believe:

Gay people deserve to be happy, just like anybody else on this planet. Who dares to say he or she has the power to say what is right and what is wrong, what is accepted or what is not allowed. People create rules and laws for themselves, and using God to justify everything they impose and throw in at each other. Showing how much you love someone and appreciating the love you receive is what every human being should freely do; it just happen that some men fall in love with other men, and some women fall in love with another woman. Didn't I see what's wrong in it? No, I see nothing's wrong with it. It's just us people who set norms and standards, and when some people don't follow it, they condemn them. For those gay people, I salute them for being brave, for defying the dictation of the society around them, and for following what they believe is right for them, and what they believe could give them endless happiness...and that's their right...if that's what they want and need, then who are we to tell them shut up?

This is my insight. This is my view. This is my stand. I am not attacking anyone, any religion, any groups, any entities.

Good evening.

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Re: Can we tolerate a gay marriage in our country?
« Reply #83 on: January 23, 2010, 12:10:02 AM »
basin sa. gibali lang. sama sa Julie's Bakeshop. hehehhee...peys jul.


ok lang kuya glacier...naanad nako pagatawagon ana..hehehe

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Re: Can we tolerate a gay marriage in our country?
« Reply #84 on: January 23, 2010, 12:11:06 AM »
if we are to impose gay marriage,then we are to change this christian country into a non-christian country...lisud? o sayon?
if we are to impose gay marriage,then we are to change this christian country into a non-christian country...lisud? o sayon?
gapataka raman ka siguro inday, nganong a wad-on man nang religion og magpa kasal kaming mga b***t nga mismo sa mga pari daghang man kaayong b***t,  magpa salamat ko nga wa ko magpuyo diha si lugar ninyo kay dili un ta ko ma kasal.

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Re: Can we tolerate a gay marriage in our country?
« Reply #85 on: January 23, 2010, 12:28:28 AM »
gapataka raman ka siguro inday, nganong a wad-on man nang religion og magpa kasal kaming mga b***t nga mismo sa mga pari daghang man kaayong b***t,  magpa salamat ko nga wa ko magpuyo diha si lugar ninyo kay dili un ta ko ma kasal.

i am to correct you that i am not personally against unisex marriage...but i only see this country nga lisud sa pagtugot ana tungod kay ang gobyerno nakadepende sad sa simbahan..naa sa ila ang problema...nga siguro ug dili lang ni christian country,matud pa, dili siguro na lisud aprobahan..
tinuod daghang pari nga b***t pero kung kining mga paria if gustong magpakasal, kinahanglan man siguro silang mogawas sa pagkapari...
i don't have the right to condemned nor say what's best for the homosexuals coz even I, myself is full of imperfections...


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« Reply #86 on: January 23, 2010, 12:44:22 AM »
suma sa imong giingon nga og tugotan ang kasal sa same sex wad-on na lang ang religion, sa ako lang unsa man labot sa religion og magpa kasal ming mga b***t... nga ang kasal namong mga b***t di man sa simbahan

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Re: Can we tolerate a gay marriage in our country?
« Reply #87 on: January 23, 2010, 01:13:41 AM »
Ang maayo ana nga solosyon nga dili na lang magpakasal aron walay labad sa ulo.

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Re: Can we tolerate a gay marriage in our country?
« Reply #88 on: January 23, 2010, 01:22:16 AM »
sakto pod ka bai' wa na juy lalis

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« Reply #89 on: January 23, 2010, 01:28:04 AM »
what pisses me off is when people resurfaces their reluctance to accept the reality that gay people are people, and not something else, and should be accepted fairly as part of the community, not as some sort of plague or horrendous disease. People are talking about giving equality and freedom and harmony among human races, but the truth is, that will never be attained long as we keep questioning ourselves with questions like this one brought up here in this thread.

I feel sick and tired of answering questions like this, but no matter how many times this question is asked, my belief and stand is the same and will never change. Why, in the first place, is it a huge concern whether or not gay marriage should be allowed? Are you people afraid that when it is, things would all end up in eternal damnation? What a crap.

I am not going to say all this because I am "one of them", but because this is what I see around us, this is what I observe, this is what I realize after much weighing in, and this is what I believe:

Gay people deserve to be happy, just like anybody else on this planet. Who dares to say he or she has the power to say what is right and what is wrong, what is accepted or what is not allowed. People create rules and laws for themselves, and using God to justify everything they impose and throw in at each other. Showing how much you love someone and appreciating the love you receive is what every human being should freely do; it just happen that some men fall in love with other men, and some women fall in love with another woman. Didn't I see what's wrong in it? No, I see nothing's wrong with it. It's just us people who set norms and standards, and when some people don't follow it, they condemn them. For those gay people, I salute them for being brave, for defying the dictation of the society around them, and for following what they believe is right for them, and what they believe could give them endless happiness...and that's their right...if that's what they want and need, then who are we to tell them shut up?

This is my insight. This is my view. This is my stand. I am not attacking anyone, any religion, any groups, any entities.

Good evening.

that's true, WarWick, everybody deserves happiness.

too bad, our society is not as simple as it is, where we can just go in and ask what we want or need because we deserve it. like, "i love you, will you marry me?" and there, in split seconds, you have it. for even in the simplest of relationships, acceptance demands time and has to take lots of arguing, making up and letting go. human beings don't grow like other animals. it takes us weeks before we start to walk, and months to talk, years to understand and centuries to form a nation.

however we see this country, the introduction of something not inherent to the culture and norms of this people formed by centuries of religion, conflicts, adaptations, struggles and faith is simply presumptuous. some people should realize we're still a fundamentally heterosexually-oriented community. if this people has to stand against same-sex marriage, it is not to disrespect their orientations as gays and lesbians, or to treat them as disease of the society. it is for me to protect the long-held traditions and institutions of the people, which has been a seminal to their being. i guess this side is where respect should start and not from the other side.

for me it will come. only time can tell. this move should first prove itself as empowering rather than divisive to the fabric of our society. it needs more than education, it needs trust in each other. it should not just point to the vision of happiness; it should also point to the future of mankind and of our future children. good night!





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Re: Can we tolerate a gay marriage in our country?
« Reply #90 on: January 23, 2010, 01:29:40 AM »
Ang maayo ana nga solosyon nga dili na lang magpakasal aron walay labad sa ulo.

hahahhaaaa, naa gihapon oy...mao bitaw nang mangita og lain kay galabad na ang ulo ug ang laing ulo pa jud.

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« Reply #91 on: January 23, 2010, 01:34:03 AM »
sa akong lang obserba wa may problema ang gay marriage wa may samok, diha lang sa taoa permi lang gamiton ang ngan sa ginoo.


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« Reply #92 on: January 23, 2010, 01:42:19 AM »
sa akong lang obserba wa may problema ang gay marriage wa may samok, diha lang sa taoa permi lang gamiton ang ngan sa ginoo.


wala bitaw. bisan sa ato. sumala gud sa pinas og nakasamok ba ang mga b***t. mao pa man ganiy nagdala og bibo sa mga coronation ug mga programa. kusog pa man gani mosimba nang uban kay kanato.

ug di man tingali ni ila pagsamok-samok kung nangayo sila og recognition. wa pa lang sila masabti ug di pod sayon dawaton ilang gipangayo.

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Re: Can we tolerate a gay marriage in our country?
« Reply #93 on: January 23, 2010, 01:45:58 AM »
sa akong lang obserba wa may problema ang gay marriage wa may samok, diha lang sa taoa permi lang gamiton ang ngan sa ginoo.


in everything... gamiton as an alibi!!!  mura'g kinsa nga mga limpyo...

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Re: Can we tolerate a gay marriage in our country?
« Reply #94 on: January 23, 2010, 01:53:04 AM »
no one can tell at present the accuracy of the bible...we were not born yesterday but the bible is the living proof of yesterday, that's what the church says...
but on my side,it doesn't matter to me how accurate the bible is...basta it serves as my guide to live a righteous life...just imagine how living life could be without the bible?without the church?

homosexuals are not to blame to what they have become...even science cannot exactly explain why there are gays and lesbians when there should only be straight man and woman...science says it could be due to some factors such as the kind of environment they are living or could be genetics...

pero para sa ako, nganong maglalis pa man ta ani?
enough na man siguro nga nadawat na nato ang ilang pagkasila ug nga girespeto na sila sa katilingban...lisud ipamugos ang unisex marriage coz it would become a war between the church and the homosexual community...dugang-dugang sa kagubot sa kalibutan oi!

pasabta ra gud ko, unsa man rason ani nga mga gays ba nganong gusto nilang makasal sad sila?


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« Reply #95 on: January 23, 2010, 01:54:19 AM »
in everything... gamiton as an alibi!!!  mura'g kinsa nga mga limpyo...

hehehe. basin dili "alibi" ana ang tawag, bay jas. ila lang nang sandiganan. kay mosango man jud ning isyuha dihang dapita. murag bag mga engineers, nga naay design nga tulay, ilang gisandigan ang standards aron dili maputol nang tulay inig agi sa kabaw.

apan baya, kung tan-awon kining ilang gitawag nga "alibi" pwede baya pod ning gamiton as the "weapon" of the opposite side to make a point. kay kung sabton jud ang Ginoo (ug naa man galing), ngano gung di man Siya modawat ug mosabot aning butanga nga iya ra man tang binuhat tanan, di ba?

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Re: Can we tolerate a gay marriage in our country?
« Reply #96 on: January 23, 2010, 02:02:45 AM »
hehehe. basin dili "alibi" ana ang tawag, bay jas. ila lang nang sandiganan. kay mosango man jud ning isyuha dihang dapita. murag bag mga engineers, nga naay design nga tulay, ilang gisandigan ang standards aron dili maputol nang tulay inig agi sa kabaw.

apan baya, kung tan-awon kining ilang gitawag nga "alibi" pwede baya pod ning gamiton as the "weapon" of the opposite side to make a point. kay kung sabton jud ang Ginoo (ug naa man galing), ngano gung di man Siya modawat ug mosabot aning butanga nga iya ra man tang binuhat tanan, di ba?

your analogy with church and engineers layo ra...

mas matunong pa siguro ang tsapa.  bisan sayop na ang binuhatan sa pulis kay naa man lagi tsapa, hala larga!

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« Reply #97 on: January 23, 2010, 02:03:03 AM »


First, legal and ecclesiastical embrace of homosexual unions is more likely to undermine the institution of marriage and produce other negative effects than it is to make fidelity and longevity the norm for homosexual unions. We will come back to this later.

Second, and even more importantly, homosexual unions are not wrong primarily because of their disproportionately high incidence of promiscuity (especially among males) and breakups (especially among females). They are wrong because “gay marriage” is a contradiction in terms. As with consensual adult incest and polyamory, considerations of commitment and fidelity factor only after certain structural prerequisites are met.

The vision of marriage found in the Jewish and Christian Scriptures is one of reuniting male and female into an integrated sexual whole. Marriage is not just about more intimacy and sharing one’s life with another in a lifelong partnership. It is about sexual merger—or, in Scripture’s understanding, re-merger—of essential maleness and femaleness.     

The creation story in Genesis 2:18-24 illustrates this point beautifully. An originally binary, or sexually undifferentiated, adam (“earthling”) is split down the “side” (a better translation of Hebrew tsela than “rib”) to form two sexually differentiated persons. Marriage is pictured as the reunion of the two constituent parts or “other halves,” man and woman.

This is not an optional or minor feature of the story. Since the only difference created by the splitting is a differentiation into two distinct sexes, the only way to reconstitute the sexual whole, on the level of erotic intimacy, is to bring together the split parts. A same-sex erotic relationship can never constitute a marriage because it will always lack the requisite sexual counterparts or complements.

By definition homosexual desire is sexual narcissism or sexual self-deception. There is either (1) a conscious recognition that one desires in another what one already is and has as a sexual being (anatomy, physiology, sex-based traits) or (2) a self-delusion of sorts in which the sexual same is perceived as some kind of sexual other. As one ancient text puts it, “seeing themselves in one another they were ashamed neither of what they were doing nor of what they were having done to them” (Pseudo-Lucian, Affairs of the Heart 20). The modern word “homosexual”—from the Greek homoios, “like” or “same”—underscores this self-evident desire for the essential sexual self shared in common with one’s partner.

     I am not talking merely about what some prohomosex advocates derisively refer to as an “obsession with plumbing.” I am talking about a fundamental recognition of something holistic, an essential maleness and an essential femaleness. Why else would 99% of all persons in the United States (97% heterosexual, 2% homosexual) limit their selection of mates to persons of a particular sex? Why else do so many “gays” claim exclusive attraction for persons of the same sex rather than, say, gender nonconforming persons of the other sex? All this indicates a basic societal admission that there is an essential and holistic maleness and femaleness that transcend mere social constructs.

In this connection, too, it is interesting that homosexual men, even those who bear effeminate traits, usually desire very “masculine” men as their sex partners. Why? Undoubtedly many desire what they see as lacking in themselves: a strong masculine quality. Such a desire is really a form of self-delusion. They are already men, already masculine. They are masculine by virtue of their sex, not by virtue of possessing a social construct of masculinity that may or may not reflect true masculinity. They need not seek completion in a sexual same. Rather, they must come to terms with their essential masculinity.

In sum, why is “gay marriage” wrong? Most importantly, the idea of “gay marriage” is an oxymoron and a rejection of a core value in Judeo-Christian sexual ethics. Marriage requires the two sexes to reconstitute a sexual whole. By definition same-sex erotic attraction is predicated either on the narcissism of being attracted to what one is as a sexual being or on the delusion that one needs to merge with another of the same sex to complete one’s own sexual deficiencies. Arguing that we should grant marriage status to homosexually inclined persons to avert promiscuity is like insisting that we grant marriage status to adult incestuous or polygamous unions to promote relational longevity. It doesn’t address the main problem with this particular kind of sexual immorality.

But “gay marriage” is also wrong because it will more likely weaken the institution of marriage than moderate the typical excesses of homosexual behavior. The dominant rhetoric of “gay marriage” severs marriage from childbearing and, not surprisingly, leads to more out-of-wedlock births in the population as a whole. The fact that relatively few homosexual couples will get married precludes from the outset any major positive impact on homosexual behavior. Those that do get married will still experience extraordinarily high rates of outside sex partners and divorce, owing to the absence of complementary male-female dynamics. The result will be a further devaluation of monogamy and permanence for the institution of marriage.

Finally, “gay marriage” will bring about the ultimate demise of structural prerequisites for marriage (for example, as regards “plural unions” and adult incest) by making affection the ultimate trump card; increase the incidence of bisexuality and homosexuality in the population and thereby expose more young persons to their negative side-effects for health; and lead to the radical abridgement of the civil and religious liberties of our children, to the point of prosecuting any public expressions of misgivings regarding the active promotion of homosexual practice.



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« Reply #98 on: January 23, 2010, 02:08:58 AM »
Added to what was stated above;


Third, “gay marriage,” as the ultimate legal sanctioning of homosexual behavior, will bring with it a wave of intolerance toward, and attack on the civil liberties of, those who publicly express disapproval of homosexual practice (see Alan Sears and Craig Osten, The Homosexual Agenda). The latter will be regarded, legally and morally, as the equivalent of virulent racists. In the civil sphere, they will see their, and their children’s, educational opportunities, gainful employment, and even freedom from incarceration put at increasing risk. Christian colleges and seminaries will risk losing their tax-exempt status, access to federal grants and student loans, and ultimately accreditation itself. Public schools will intensify their indoctrination of children into the acceptability of homosexual unions and single out for ridicule any who question this agenda—from kindergarten on. Parents’ rights in instilling moral values in their children will be abridged. Indeed, the state could remove self-professed gay and lesbian children from parents who express moral disapproval of homosexual practice on the pretense of “child abuse.” Mainline denominations will comply with societal trends by refusing to ordain “heterosexists” and disciplining heterosexist clergy and ostracizing heterosexist members. Since approval of homosexual practice can only occur at the cost of marginalizing Scripture, the trend will be toward a hard-left radicalization of mainline denominations.



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« Reply #99 on: January 23, 2010, 02:10:17 AM »
your analogy with church and engineers layo ra...

mas matunong pa siguro ang tsapa.  bisan sayop na ang binuhatan sa pulis kay naa man lagi tsapa, hala larga!

di man pod baya tanang pulis, ingon ana. so sayop gihapon ka.

lain pod nimong sayop kay wa ko magkumpara sa Simbahan ug engineers...gakompara kos gitawag nimo nga "alibi"(Ginoo man tingali imong pasabot ana.). sa mga simbahan, ilang "alibi" ning Ginoo. sa engineers, standards of construction. which i said should be appropriately called "gisandigan" sa ilang rason.

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« Reply #100 on: January 23, 2010, 02:47:01 AM »
that's true, WarWick, everybody deserves happiness.

too bad, our society is not as simple as it is, where we can just go in and ask what we want or need because we deserve it. like, "i love you, will you marry me?" and there, in split seconds, you have it. for even in the simplest of relationships, acceptance demands time and has to take lots of arguing, making up and letting go. human beings don't grow like other animals. it takes us weeks before we start to walk, and months to talk, years to understand and centuries to form a nation.

however we see this country, the introduction of something not inherent to the culture and norms of this people formed by centuries of religion, conflicts, adaptations, struggles and faith is simply presumptuous. some people should realize we're still a fundamentally heterosexually-oriented community. if this people has to stand against same-sex marriage, it is not to disrespect their orientations as gays and lesbians, or to treat them as disease of the society. it is for me to protect the long-held traditions and institutions of the people, which has been a seminal to their being. i guess this side is where respect should start and not from the other side.

for me it will come. only time can tell. this move should first prove itself as empowering rather than divisive to the fabric of our society. it needs more than education, it needs trust in each other. it should not just point to the vision of happiness; it should also point to the future of mankind and of our future children. good night!





Glacier, let me also add something into perspective that you lightly touched upon. You mentioned about the problems in introducing a foreign concept to a particular conservative society, namely referring to the Philippines in this regard. We have to consider that the conservative aspect bases its stance on natural law and the natural processes; the standard norm. Homosexuality, in this sense, is a deviation of natural law, and is the antithesis of the natural processes.

I will use an analogy: the muscle contractility phenomenon. Actin and Myosin heads will bond, allowing contraction and then release, which is powered by ATP breakdown (adenosine tri-phosphate). Two different muscle bands are required to fulfill this movement. There is no actin-actin movement, or a myosin-myosin movement. No! There is only actin-myosin.

The same as the human fertilization phenomenon in Embryology. The female egg, which carries an XX set of genetic codes will be fertilized by a male sperm, which carries a genetic codet of XY. An egg cannot be fertilized by an egg, nor can a sperm fertilize a sperm. The latter examples are deviations and improper natural processes that will result in a nill of species offspring procreation and thereby lead in pan-analysis: the degradation and obliteration of an entire species due to failed embryological synthesis in development.

A man, which is a sentient being composed of organ systems, which in itself is composed of organs, which in itself is composed of tissues, which in itself is composed of cells are governed by Natural order. Each cell is composed of micrological organelles, which in turn are composed of ordered ions, which are in turn composed of atoms, which follow an ordered law of positive and negatives. Opposites attract. Negative and positive will attract; and similar charged atoms will repel. Two positives will repel; same as two negatives will repel.

If an atom, which is positive will attract a positive then, this would lead to the disruption and the collapse in the entire organization of all life systems and matter in the entire universe. And to follow the laws of quantum physics and atomic physics it is LAW that two positives will not attract, nor will two negatives attract. Everything is ordered; in the natural world as well as in the universe that this planet is but a minute speck and integral member of.

Think about it that way.

There is an ordered way of things.

God designed everything in order, and according to HIS purpose.

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Man, is the only living social animal that has the ability to lie and to deceive himself from accepting TRUTH.
Man has the ability to twist a lie to sound like truth. Again, an effect of the devil's presence in this world.


That said. The Truth will set you free!



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« Reply #101 on: January 23, 2010, 02:54:10 AM »
di man pod baya tanang pulis, ingon ana. so sayop gihapon ka.

lain pod nimong sayop kay wa ko magkumpara sa Simbahan ug engineers...gakompara kos gitawag nimo nga "alibi"(Ginoo man tingali imong pasabot ana.). sa mga simbahan, ilang "alibi" ning Ginoo. sa engineers, standards of construction. which i said should be appropriately called "gisandigan" sa ilang rason.

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ang standards of construction is dili naman na lalisunon.  pero kaning alibi about ginoo is lalisunon kay ang simbahan nahimbigit man sa daghan mga isyu, labi na sa lawasnung aspeto.

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« Reply #102 on: January 23, 2010, 02:54:28 AM »
OT...naapil naman ang ginoo,
       duna koy amigo sa maribojoc katoliko siya, nga duna  siyay ka live-in partner sa ato pa wapa sila makasal unya duna silay anak gamay pa tawon kay lagi medyo galisod pa, sigi pag tigom og kwarta para itinawo sa panahon sa kasal, sigi ni sila og simba o hinimbahon, pero si amigo way swerte nadisgrasya  sa motor gikan sa trabaho patay, ang malas pa gyod kay sa i lubong na di mosugot ang pari nga isod sa simbahan kay lagi naay kaipon wa sila makasal, samot ka malas si amigo kay di pod ipa sod sa sementeryo kay lagi wa makasal, akong pangutana tama ba ang gibuhat sa simbahang katoliko...

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« Reply #103 on: January 23, 2010, 02:56:58 AM »
May God have mercy on his soul..

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« Reply #104 on: January 23, 2010, 02:58:07 AM »
OT...naapil naman ang ginoo,
       duna koy amigo sa maribojoc katoliko siya, nga duna  siyay ka live-in partner sa ato pa wapa sila makasal unya duna silay anak gamay pa tawon kay lagi medyo galisod pa, sigi pag tigom og kwarta para itinawo sa panahon sa kasal, sigi ni sila og simba o hinimbahon, pero si amigo way swerte nadisgrasya  sa motor gikan sa trabaho patay, ang malas pa gyod kay sa i lubong na di mosugot ang pari nga isod sa simbahan kay lagi naay kaipon wa sila makasal, samot ka malas si amigo kay di pod ipa sod sa sementeryo kay lagi wa makasal, akong pangutana tama ba ang gibuhat sa simbahang katoliko...

mao nay mga klarong plastik!!!!
bisan kasaduhan pa nato, nidawat ang simbahan sa halad kadtung buhi pa nang mga tawhana...

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« Reply #105 on: January 23, 2010, 02:58:13 AM »
Sa klarong pagkasulti nga walay perfecto.

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« Reply #106 on: January 23, 2010, 03:04:18 AM »
OT...naapil naman ang ginoo,
       duna koy amigo sa maribojoc katoliko siya, nga duna  siyay ka live-in partner sa ato pa wapa sila makasal unya duna silay anak gamay pa tawon kay lagi medyo galisod pa, sigi pag tigom og kwarta para itinawo sa panahon sa kasal, sigi ni sila og simba o hinimbahon, pero si amigo way swerte nadisgrasya  sa motor gikan sa trabaho patay, ang malas pa gyod kay sa i lubong na di mosugot ang pari nga isod sa simbahan kay lagi naay kaipon wa sila makasal, samot ka malas si amigo kay di pod ipa sod sa sementeryo kay lagi wa makasal, akong pangutana tama ba ang gibuhat sa simbahang katoliko...

David, your question is outside the phrame of this topic, but a good question nonetheless.
It would be best to address this question to a parish priest or member of the clergy.
Perhaps a member who is also a catholic priest, Fr. Lungay can help us in this query.

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« Reply #107 on: January 23, 2010, 03:09:00 AM »
David, your question is outside the phrame of this topic, but a good question nonetheless.
It would be best to address this question to a parish priest or member of the clergy.
Perhaps a member who is also a catholic priest, Fr. Lungay can help us in this query.

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naa bitaw pod akong gibutang nga "OT" Out of Topic,  pwede pod ka nga motubag kay murag dool ka raman sa ginoo kay kasagaran sa imong mensahe apil man gud ang ngan sa ginoo...

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« Reply #108 on: January 23, 2010, 03:09:05 AM »
Church and state are two separate entities, I am appealing that gay marriage be accepted legally, whatever the church´s view on this, doesn´t matter.

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David tinood kini? Unsa man kining pari-a, maoy gadala sa hustisya? I can´t fully comprehend his actions. God is King of Mercy.

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« Reply #109 on: January 23, 2010, 03:11:26 AM »
OT...naapil naman ang ginoo,
       duna koy amigo sa maribojoc katoliko siya, nga duna  siyay ka live-in partner sa ato pa wapa sila makasal unya duna silay anak gamay pa tawon kay lagi medyo galisod pa, sigi pag tigom og kwarta para itinawo sa panahon sa kasal, sigi ni sila og simba o hinimbahon, pero si amigo way swerte nadisgrasya  sa motor gikan sa trabaho patay, ang malas pa gyod kay sa i lubong na di mosugot ang pari nga isod sa simbahan kay lagi naay kaipon wa sila makasal, samot ka malas si amigo kay di pod ipa sod sa sementeryo kay lagi wa makasal, akong pangutana tama ba ang gibuhat sa simbahang katoliko...

I see a large discrepancy with your inference: your personal anecdote, David.
Namely because you said that your friend who died in an accident was denied a Catholic Burial Mass by a parish priest because your friend was not married. That does not make any sense since you said your friend was a Catholic.
Was your friend a new convert to the Catholic Church but did not have papers to signify that he finished the 3-step process of converting into the Catholic Faith: namely 1) Baptism by water and faith 2) Holy Eucharistic Rite 3) Holy Confirmation.

If your friend did not, then he or she would not be recognized as Catholic, and I can understand the Church's point of view.

Perhaps Fr. Lungay can provide us a clearer answer to this query. I admit I am intrigued to hear his response.



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« Reply #110 on: January 23, 2010, 03:12:55 AM »
David, your question is outside the phrame of this topic, but a good question nonetheless.
It would be best to address this question to a parish priest or member of the clergy.
Perhaps a member who is also a catholic priest, Fr. Lungay can help us in this query.

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tawag pod kag Father ni FR Lungay nga mismo si Lungay motawag nimo og Brother dapat unta son ang itawag nimo...sorry kay ako mismo galibog pod

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« Reply #111 on: January 23, 2010, 03:13:20 AM »
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naa bitaw pod akong gibutang nga "OT" Out of Topic,  pwede pod ka nga motubag kay murag dool ka raman sa ginoo kay kasagaran sa imong mensahe apil man gud ang ngan sa ginoo...

I provided my answer. You're right :) Jesus Christ is a Powerful and Inspirational Presence in My Life.

Justified man ta lagi in JESUS CHRIST WHO IS LORD AND MY SAVIOR.

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« Reply #112 on: January 23, 2010, 03:14:54 AM »
tawag pod kag Father ni FR Lungay nga mismo si Lungay motawag nimo og Brother dapat unta son ang itawag nimo...sorry kay ako mismo galibog pod

Ayaw pa libog, bro.

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« Reply #113 on: January 23, 2010, 03:16:30 AM »
I see a large discrepancy with your inference: your personal anecdote, David.
Namely because you said that your friend who died in an accident was denied a Catholic Burial Mass by a parish priest because your friend was not married. That does not make any sense since you said your friend was a Catholic.
Was your friend a new convert to the Catholic Church but did not have papers to signify that he finished the 23-step process of converting into the Catholic Faith: namely 1) Baptism by water and faith 2) Holy Eucharistic Rite 3) Holy Confirmation.

If your friend did not, then he or she would not be recognized as Catholic, and I can understand the Church's point of view.

Perhaps Fr. Lungay can provide us a clearer answer to this query. I admit I am intrigued to hear his response.


gikan poa sa among pagka bata katoliko kami, ang maribojochanon halos solidong katoliko, tinood ang panghitabo, nahitabo ni pipila na ka tuig ang nilabay

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« Reply #114 on: January 23, 2010, 03:19:05 AM »
ang akong gilibgan ang pagtahod nato og father sa pari, wa ko maglibog sa akong pagtoo sa ginoo

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« Reply #115 on: January 23, 2010, 03:20:52 AM »
gikan poa sa among pagka bata katoliko kami, ang maribojochanon halos solidong katoliko, tinood ang panghitabo, nahitabo ni pipila na ka tuig ang nilabay

Then we will have to wait to hear Fr. Roel Lungay's position in this matter, since he is an ordained Catholic Priest, would be in better ground to answer your query than any other laity.

Cheers.

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« Reply #116 on: January 23, 2010, 03:22:09 AM »
ang akong gilibgan ang pagtahod nato og father sa pari, wa ko maglibog sa akong pagtoo sa ginoo

Good man. :)

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« Reply #117 on: January 23, 2010, 03:23:49 AM »
May God have mercy on his soul..
tinood ang hitabo  bai lorenz og ilado sab to siya sa sawang sa marbo kay taga sawang man mi. og anak sab to siya og politiko sa maribojoc

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« Reply #118 on: January 23, 2010, 03:26:45 AM »
tinood ang hitabo  bai lorenz og ilado sab to siya sa sawang sa marbo kay taga sawang man mi. og anak sab to siya og politiko sa maribojoc

Ampo na lang kanunay para sa imong amigo nga namatay, bro. Ajaw lang pag worry na. Ampo lang...

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« Reply #119 on: January 23, 2010, 03:27:41 AM »
Then we will have to wait to hear Fr. Roel Lungay's position in this matter, since he is an ordained Catholic Priest, would be in better ground to answer your query than any other laity.

Cheers.
sorry na OT, di lang ko kamao mohimo og topic. Bia Lorenz akong misis dili katoliko pero sa pagpa kasal namo didto sa pinas ako siyang gipa bunyagan pagka katoliko.

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