Author Topic: Can we tolerate a gay marriage in our country? (Read 24133 times)

glacier_71 · « **Reply #40 on:** January 22, 2010, 11:38:45 AM »

This really functions well in Germany purwa mananap, Glacier, kagwang ka!
I think we still need a certain amount of threshhold to accept this compromise.

hahahaha...pwera mananap sa lang jud bitaw, manay, sa pagkakaron. pero, patuli kog usab kung di ni moguwa pila ka tuig nga moabot. nagka-evolve baya ang mga ideas ug values sa mga tawo karon, labi na tong mga wa magtoo og Ginoo...pagkadaghan nas mga butang nahimo sa kalibutan karon nga sa una giisip nga sayop o dili madawat sa katilingban...kung kahadlok lang ang nagpugong nato nga natinood ni, murag di ni magdugay....maka-asawa jud kog Orangutan..hahaha.

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #41 on:** January 22, 2010, 11:45:27 AM »

lol, glacier!
We must take into consideration that it is the Athiest minority that were responsible for the repudiation of the removal of prayers in schools as well as championing the cause to remove the word 'GOD' in all public institutions and governmental edifices. The same minority group that has allied with the lesbian gay movement to implement their crusade to allow gay marriage. Gay unions, have been recognized, but marriages, not so. Since marriage involves private religious orders that are beyond control of government.

The goal here is seeing the twisting and destruction of church-taught human moralism.

In this effect, as we see in liberal europe where there is a decrease in population growth rates, which corresponds to the high levels of homosexuality in said countries. An effect of unnatural unions. How can it be a marriage when there is no offspring created.

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glacier_71 · « **Reply #42 on:** January 22, 2010, 12:25:53 PM »

enz, my only position is that it won't be far too impossible for men and women to get into this idea of union or marriage (granting it is) and for men and women to consider this act light years from now...am being sarcastic on this however...how far we can act for our own justification is truly unlimited...sometimes, too much.

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #43 on:** January 22, 2010, 12:29:29 PM »

Para nako, I find it quite absurd for some who are seemingly righteous but support something that is considered an abomination by the Church and by God.

In my heart it is wrong. Absolutely wrong.

Sorry if i will offend anyone in here. But my faith and my God command me to speak Truth.
Di ko scared to speak the Truth because justified man ta in faith and in knowing that we preach the Gospel for HIS Glory.

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taga tigbao · « **Reply #44 on:** January 22, 2010, 02:37:35 PM »

Naa koy nahinumdoman,si Adan ug Eva giingnan ug ayaw kaon but tungod nga sila naminaw sa snake,sila ni kaon, ug sa pagkaon nila instead nga sila ra ang mo suffer sa effect,pati ang next generation ni suffer. Now, if e allow tanang gusto sa tao,what will happen to the world,not only one will suffer but others too.

1 Point Te. Ang mga tawo gud karon sa kalibutan ara nang ka mga badlungon. Nahimo nang tul-id ang kinahanglan nga balikog ra, aw bali diay, gibalikog ang kinahanglang tul-id kanunay. Man has become too complex that he does not even understand who he is.

Nakapanghinuklog naho ang first lines sa movie nga The God's MUst Be Crazy nga nagaaingon, "Man has made his life so complex that he has to send his sons and daughters to school in order to survive in the environment he has created for them."

Mao ning hasta ang sajop ug balikwaot nga pagtuo itugot na lamang kintahay tungod kay gusto sa kadaghanan. If man will always lean on his weeakness, wa na ko kahibawo ug asa ta paingon ani.

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Raquelproud boholana · « **Reply #45 on:** January 22, 2010, 02:42:10 PM »

First it was artificial contraception, then abortion, then partial-birth abortion, then infanticide,not to mention euthanasia.Now itâ€™s same sex marriage (no transmission of life, no fruit of natural love) and we call it inclusive and just.Every stage of life is under assault by the forces of death.

Gay people are human being and yes they have right to live. Ug gusto nila ug gay marriage naa ra na nila basta di lang pud nila i force ang society nga mosunod sa sinful nilang binuhatan. Mao ni giingon nga ila ning katungod. It is not a right! It is a choice.

In my personal opinion against gyud ko sa Gay Marriage.It is God who decide what sin and what's not.God never gave us multiple choice on sins. He declares what is sin and I must believe Him. Who are we to tell God He is wrong? The bible is clear on Moral Law, it stands today the same as yesterday and generations ago. God never changed Moral Law, what was wrong before is still wrong now. May God have mercy on us, and grant us the courage and strength to act in accordance with the truth.

â€œAll that evil requires to prosper is that good men remain silent.â€

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taga tigbao · « **Reply #46 on:** January 22, 2010, 02:50:13 PM »

First it was artificial contraception, then abortion, then partial-birth abortion, then infanticide,not to mention euthanasia.Now itâ€™s same sex marriage (no transmission of life, no fruit of natural love) and we call it inclusive and just.Every stage of life is under assault by the forces of death.

Gay people are human being and yes they have right to live. Ug gusto nila ug gay marriage naa ra na nila basta di lang pud nila i force ang society nga mosunod sa sinful nilang binuhatan. Mao ni giingon nga ila ning katungod. It is not a right! It is a choice.

In my personal opinion against gyud ko sa Gay Marriage.It is God who decide what sin and what's not.God never gave us multiple choice on sins. He declares what is sin and I must believe Him. Who are we to tell God He is wrong? The bible is clear on Moral Law, it stands today the same as yesterday and generations ago. God never changed Moral Law, what was wrong before is still wrong now. May God have mercy on us, and grant us the courage and strength to act in accordance with the truth.

â€œAll that evil requires to prosper is that good men remain silent.â€

3 Points Shot Te. Sakto kaajo imohang giingon nga ang gay marriage is not right but rather a choice.

Cheers!

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #47 on:** January 22, 2010, 03:15:24 PM »

Homosexuality in general is an immoral sin, and the act and propagation of thereof is an abomination before the eyes of God.

The reason for the decadence of many western nations now is because we have deafened the ears to truth and moral correctness to satiate the liberal left's clamor for 'political correctness'. Ergo, now it is considered 'politically correct' to use the term 'gay' rather, one should use 'same sex'.

The position we are placed in as members of society, is observing the transpiration of our society, namely in the united states. Do we, sacrifice moral correctness for say secular uniformity in accordance to the wishes of the minority? Again, take in example Europe. The continent that is Europe is the sepository of Christianity in that it is in Europe that Roman Catholicism blossomed and spread Christian morality throughout the world; namely: Spanish overseas spread of christianity to the new world, as well as English and French missionary activity in its overseas colonies. We see and notice that Europe has liberalized and has already lost its Christian roots, abandoning it to satiate secularism. Europe's christian/catholic following is dwindling. It is loosing its own cultural root. An effect of uber-liberalism.

America, which still remains staunchly christian and conservative, as compared to liberal europe, will remain so for an indefinite time. But we have europe to look at and analyze if we continue on this liberal march.

Its about a moral wrong. Moral wrong and speaking against abomination. It is wrong, therefore do not be afraid to speak against what is wrong.

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taga tigbao · « **Reply #48 on:** January 22, 2010, 03:20:28 PM »

Homosexuality in general is an immoral sin, and the act and propagation of thereof is an abomination before the eyes of God.

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #49 on:** January 22, 2010, 03:27:00 PM »

What does the LORD YOUR GOD say about marriage?

HARK! AND LISTEN TO THE LORD YOUR GOD:

Ephesians. 5:23-32
For a husband is the head of his wife as Christ is the head of his body, the church; he gave his life to be her Savior. As the church submits to Christ, so you wives must submit to your husbands in everything.
And you husbands must love your wives with the same love Christ showed the church. He gave up his life for her to make her holy and clean, washed by baptism and God's word. He did this to present her to himself as a glorious church without a spot or wrinkle or any other blemish. Instead, she will be holy and without fault. In the same way, husbands ought to love their wives as they love their own bodies. For a man is actually loving himself when he loves his wife. No one hates his own body but lovingly cares for it, just as Christ cares for his body, which is the church. And we are his body.

As the Scriptures say, "A man leaves his father and mother and is joined to his wife, and the two are united into one." This is a great mystery, but it is an illustration of the way Christ and the church are one.

Now, brothers and sisters, what does your LORD YOUR GOD say about homosexuality and the practice of homosexuality?

Leviticus 18:24, 30
"Defile not ye yourselves in any of these things: for in all these the nations are defiled which I cast out before you. Therefore shall ye keep mine ordinance, that ye commit not any one of these abominable customs which were committed before you, and that ye defile not yourselves therein: I am the Lord your God."

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Jesus said in John 14:15, 23-24, "If ye love me, keep my commandments. If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him. He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings."

So I would say that if you truly love Christ, you would want to do what pleases him. And as we have already read, homosexuality does not please the Lord.

And 1 John 2:4 reads, "He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him." And 1 John 1:5-6 reads, "God is light, and in him is no darkness at all. If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth."

Christ said that you are either for Him or against Him. You cannot pick and choose the parts of the Bible that you like and then ignore the parts that don't fit your lifestyle. God will give you the strength that you need to overcome your homosexual desires, but you have to love the Lord enough to turn from that sin. You cannot have it both ways. "If we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, but a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries" (Hebrews 10:26-27). You have read the truth. Are you going to continue wilfully sinning?

To the LORD GOD be endless Honor, Glory and Majesty!
His WORD is infallible. Glory to God!

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Brownman · « **Reply #50 on:** January 22, 2010, 03:43:57 PM »

This funny piro tinuud, going back in our place sa Bohol halos di ta makakita ug same sex nga nag live in kay ang mga tiguwang mag yawyaw ug insakto
piro pag naa ka sa syudad pwersang bulgara naka holding hands pa sila ug manuroy,

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #51 on:** January 22, 2010, 03:45:59 PM »

1 Point Te. Ang mga tawo gud karon sa kalibutan ara nang ka mga badlungon. Nahimo nang tul-id ang kinahanglan nga balikog ra, aw bali diay, gibalikog ang kinahanglang tul-id kanunay. Man has become too complex that he does not even understand who he is.

Nakapanghinuklog naho ang first lines sa movie nga The God's MUst Be Crazy nga nagaaingon, "Man has made his life so complex that he has to send his sons and daughters to school in order to survive in the environment he has created for them."

Mao ning hasta ang sajop ug balikwaot nga pagtuo itugot na lamang kintahay tungod kay gusto sa kadaghanan. If man will always lean on his weeakness, wa na ko kahibawo ug asa ta paingon ani.

Well said.

In effect, the world we live in is ruled by the devil. How do we know this? Because there are many instances in which society in general approves of a wrong.

Brother, we know that the devil is let loose in the world. This world belongs to the devil; he is considered the god of this current world. For this world is already doomed, and only those who listen and do the precepts of the LORD JESUS CHRIST will be saved.

What does SCRIPTURE say about the devil and this world?

2 Corinthians 4:4
In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

But brothers and sisters! Just because the devil rules over this world, does not mean that he has victory over us. No way! Because greater is HE that is in us that he that is in the world!

1 John 4:4
You are from God, little children, and have overcome them; because greater is He who is in you than he who is in the world.

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taga tigbao · « **Reply #52 on:** January 22, 2010, 03:48:03 PM »

This funny piro tinuud, going back in our place sa Bohol halos di ta makakita ug same sex nga nag live in kay ang mga tiguwang mag yawyaw ug insakto
piro pag naa ka sa syudad pwersang bulgara naka holding hands pa sila ug manuroy,

Naa uban maglips to lips sa public places, just like ordinary lovers in the city would do. Makakugang.

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #53 on:** January 22, 2010, 03:48:32 PM »

This funny piro tinuud, going back in our place sa Bohol halos di ta makakita ug same sex nga nag live in kay ang mga tiguwang mag yawyaw ug insakto
piro pag naa ka sa syudad pwersang bulgara naka holding hands pa sila ug manuroy,

he he he, for me, the 'yaw yaw ' of the elders is correct and justified. I would rather listen to the faithful elders, such as my grandfather than listen to the lies of some people who distort the WORD OF GOD.

Liars and deceivers na uban. They say the believe but they ignore what the LORD GOD declares as an ABOMINATION.

Mo ampo na lang ta para nila.

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #54 on:** January 22, 2010, 03:54:31 PM »

Do you know that homosexuals will not enter heaven?

I am not lying. Scripture declares so!

REPENT!

"Or do you not know that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, swindlers, shall inherit the kingdom of God. "
--1 Corinthians 6:9-10

REPENT!
OR BURN!

Contrary to what some folks would have you to believe, I know of very few preachers of the gospel who relish the thought of people missing heaven. "Fire and brimstone preachers" they call those who are faithful to the Scriptures and take the warnings therein seriously enough to mention them. Preachers and teachers of this sort are usually characterized as harsh and unloving. Certainly some of them are. But facts are facts and that the Word of God warns that certain types of behavior will cause people to be lost. And isn't it also possible that many of those sounding the warnings are doing so because of genuine concern for others? The liberal "do whatever you choose to do" crowd will deny it, but it is the truth.

It is in the spirit of concern and loyalty to the facts as God has caused them to be stated in His Word that this article is written. It is not intended to make anybody mad. The title suggests that not everybody is going to heaven. Already, we are being too "narrow-minded" for many people. But we shall go even further and get specific, but not any more specific than the Scriptures. So if you do not like some of the specifics, take your argument not to the source of this article, but to the source of the Scriptures upon which this article is based; our Creator.

This mortal life is fleeting and finite.
But ETERNITY is such a long, long time.

REPENT!

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simplylee · « **Reply #55 on:** January 22, 2010, 04:02:13 PM »

ang tawo bungol basta ang hisgotan mao ang PULONG sa DIYOS apan kun ang hisgutan mao ang pagpakasala abtik kaayo tungod kay ang tawo adunay naturalisa sa pagkamakasasala. Dong Bran bisan pa ug mahurot nimo ug post ang bibliya bahin ani nga subject matter dili gyod motuhop kay mao may sundon sa tawo ang naturalisa(old sin nature)

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #56 on:** January 22, 2010, 04:06:15 PM »

According to I CORINTHIANS 6:9-11:

(1) Fornicators shall not inherit the kingdom of God. This term refers to those who engage in sexual activity which God has declared sinful. He has not declared all sexual activity. In fact, He condones and even encourages lawful sexual activity according to His design and purpose (I CORINTHIANS 7:2-4; HEBREWS 13:4). Fornication refers to sexual activity outside of the marriage relationship between a man and a woman. It would include premarital as well as extramarital sexual relationships of whatever duration from a one night stand to an ongoing affair. Such activity was rampant in first century Corinth. It is rampant today in our own society. But it matters not how commonly it is practiced, it is still unrighteous and it will keep one from entering heaven.
(2) Idolaters shall not inherit the kingdom of God. Those who offer to others what belongs unto God are idolaters. A person's idol might be a huge, grotesque image carved out of stone before which he bows. Or it might be his own desires. It is anything that a person adores more than God. Idolatry will keep one from entering heaven.
(3) Adulterers shall not inherit the kingdom of God. Adultery seems to be more specific a term than fornication. It is usually limited to sexual unfaithfulness to a marriage partner. Adultery will keep one from entering heaven.
(4) The effeminate shall not enter the kingdom of God. When we see this word, we think of a sissy. But the word goes beyond that. It refers to one who is soft, specifically, to the passive partner in a homosexual relationship. Being effeminate will keep one from entering heaven.
(5) Homosexuals shall not enter the kingdom of God. This word is used twice in the New Testament; in the text we are examining as well as I TIMOTHY 1:10. It denotes one who would take the leading role in a homosexual relationship. It is not fashionable today to suggest that such activity is unrighteous and will keep one out of the kingdom of God, but that is what the Covenant of Jesus Christ says. Practicing homosexuality will keep one from entering heaven.
(6) Thieves shall not enter the kingdom of God. There is no excuse for taking that which rightfully belongs to another. Whether its shoplifting, pilfering, short-changing or armed robbery, fraud and extortion, it is thievery. Whether the person doing the stealing is rich or poor it will still keep one from entering heaven.
(7). The covetous will not enter the kingdom of God. This has to do with having an uncontrollable desire to possess a certain thing. It motivates one into committing sin in order to satisfy greed. Coveting that which belongs to another will keep one from entering heaven.
( 8 ) Drunkards shall not inherit the kingdom of God. Children of God have no need to cloud their perspectives nor dull their senses. We must be able to think and reason clearly. Drunkenness causes one to lose focus and rationality. Those who give themselves over to intoxication will find that it keeps them from entering heaven.
(9) Revilers shall not inherit the kingdom of God. There are many to speak boldly about things that they know little about. Many men and women of God have had to endure reproach for their faith. Not even the Son of God escaped verbal abuse. But they will not have to endure it forever because there will be no revilers in heaven.
(10) Swindlers shall not inherit the kingdom of God. Seducers and smooth talkers of all kinds are included here. The religious con-man belongs to this group as well as the secular. Those who prey on others by trying to take advantage of their misfortune would also be included. Swindlers cannot take their ill-gotten goods with them when they leave this world, nor will they enter heaven.

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #57 on:** January 22, 2010, 04:09:39 PM »

ang tawo bungol basta ang hisgotan mao ang PULONG sa DIYOS apan kun ang hisgutan mao ang pagpakasala abtik kaayo tungod kay ang tawo adunay naturalisa sa pagkamakasasala. Dong Bran bisan pa ug mahurot nimo ug post ang bibliya bahin ani nga subject matter dili gyod motuhop kay mao may sundon sa tawo ang naturalisa(old sin nature)

But we must preach the GOSPEL, ate Lee. We must continue to preach it into its thick nature especially those who are condoning and the propagation lies and utter absolute blasphemies. I read this thread long before I posted. Blasphemy upon blasphemy gi post in the first pages.

May THE RIGHTEOUS LORD REBUKE THEIR LIES!

GLORY BE TO THE ETERNAL AND LIVING GOD WHO IS GLORIFIED IN THE HEAVENS AND EARTH!

ETERNAL GLORY, HONOR, AND PRAISE BE TO THE LORD OF LORDS!
THE ETERNAL FATHER, THE SON JESUS CHRIST AND THE HOLY SPIRIT..WHO PROCEEDS FROM FATHER AND SON!

IN JESUS NAME!
I DECLARE SOLIDARITY AMEN!
SO THAT WE MAY DECLARE THY MESSAGE UNTO THE WORLD!
I ASK THIS IN THY NAME!
AMEN

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ms da binsi · « **Reply #58 on:** January 22, 2010, 04:18:36 PM »

whatever you feel against all these would affect your mode in serving people, nan karon asa na ang inyung pagka kristiyanos?

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bugsay · « **Reply #59 on:** January 22, 2010, 04:26:10 PM »

kon diri sa Pilipinas, murag bakikaw kaayo ni sa mata ug hunahuna sa mga relihiyoso kintahay nga Pinoy.........naglisod man gani ug lusot ang RH Bill...samot na ni nga di madawat.

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taga tigbao · « **Reply #60 on:** January 22, 2010, 04:33:06 PM »

whatever you feel against all these would affect your mode in serving people, nan karon asa na ang inyung pagka kristiyanos?

Para naho Maam no, wa man koy against aning mga tawhana, ang aho ang act ug ang proposal nga naay same sex marriage maoy dili sakto. Being gay for themselves is okay naho kay ila man nang kinabuhi and choice na nila pero ang same sex marriage nga makaapekto sa kinatibuk-ang katilingban nga diin tua ko mahimutang, aw lain ang istorya na.

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #61 on:** January 22, 2010, 04:54:36 PM »

We are not hating our brothers and sisters who are stricken with this lifestyle that is an ABOMINATION before God.
We are posting and warning because of our LOVE for them as GOD loves them. We preach and send a message because we want them to be saved, and to correct a wrong.

God wishes all to be saved, it is up to the individual to accept salvation in Jesus Christ and adheres to His Covenant. Or continue with a lifestyle that will send them to the eternal pyre in Hell.

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hofelina · « **Reply #62 on:** January 22, 2010, 06:21:34 PM »

Who are we to judge?
God made man and woman, nganong naay b***t/tomboy? God knows what is in our hearts.
I highly respect these third gender, they should be a normal part of our society, my opinion.

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hubag bohol · « **Reply #63 on:** January 22, 2010, 07:13:11 PM »

Bitaw, naay mosajon-sajon og panghimaraot sa uban tungod sa ilang pagkalahi, pero usahay baja ang naghimaraot mismo aduna puy dakoay nga diperensya...

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #64 on:** January 22, 2010, 10:22:02 PM »

ang tawo bungol basta ang hisgotan mao ang PULONG sa DIYOS apan kun ang hisgutan mao ang pagpakasala abtik kaayo tungod kay ang tawo adunay naturalisa sa pagkamakasasala. Dong Bran bisan pa ug mahurot nimo ug post ang bibliya bahin ani nga subject matter dili gyod motuhop kay mao may sundon sa tawo ang naturalisa(old sin nature)

Ma'am Lee, I agree with you jud regarding the reference to the people who are prone to naturalisa. Bungol jud ang uban.

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #65 on:** January 22, 2010, 10:26:56 PM »

Who are we to judge?
God made man and woman, nganong naay b***t/tomboy? God knows what is in our hearts.
I highly respect these third gender, they should be a normal part of our society, my opinion.

No one is judging, we are reiterating the Word of God. God is the Final Judge.
Additionally, God is the creator of all things, the creation of man and woman. However He is not responsible for one's personal choices, these follow strictly to man's own free will.

It is simple Truth that is found in Scriptural Doctrine. One that the Holy Roman Catholic Church has been preaching since the birth of the Church.

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jas4 · « **Reply #66 on:** January 22, 2010, 10:45:28 PM »

One that the Holy Roman Catholic Church has been preaching since the birth of the Church.

huh?
wa pa na ang inyong gitawag ug Holy Roman Catholic Church sa birth sa church...

God is even questionable!

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #67 on:** January 22, 2010, 11:12:03 PM »

No one is questioning your right to respect individuals who you term as 'third gender'.

May I also add that there is no such thing as third gender. The continuum of God's Earth has transcribed itself through natural procreative measures. One being XX genetic based (female) or XY genetic based (male).
There can only be 2 sexes, which is responsible for categorization of 'gender'. Throughout God's green earth, male will mate with female to give forth offspring.

It is only man in his need to make sense of things that we have a socially accepted use of the term 'third gender' to give the term gay/homosexual/lesbian/transexual a more 'political correct' term.

The position society is placed here is an example of the quintesential fork in the road. Members in society decide have the freedom to decide where they stand in this issue. Again, there is man's law, but there is a greater Divine Law.

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #68 on:** January 22, 2010, 11:15:53 PM »

huh?
wa pa na ang inyong gitawag ug Holy Roman Catholic Church sa birth sa church...

God is even questionable!

To add to that statement, Jas4, even before the Holy Church was established during Pentecost, the Jewish Priests and the Prophets who walked the earth before the WORD MADE FLESH came to the world also preached the sins of homosexuality and its abomination before the Eyes of God.

God hated it so much that he incinerated Sodom and Gomorrha with his Divine Fury.

The Talmud, the basis of the Old Testament, ushers the same message with Church Doctrine regarding this issue.

And to correct you, NO. God is not questionable.

The one who dared to question god was the devil. He was denounced and cast out of heaven.

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glacier_71 · « **Reply #69 on:** January 22, 2010, 11:22:49 PM »

Homosexuality in general is an immoral sin, and the act and propagation of thereof is an abomination before the eyes of God.

The reason for the decadence of many western nations now is because we have deafened the ears to truth and moral correctness to satiate the liberal left's clamor for 'political correctness'. Ergo, now it is considered 'politically correct' to use the term 'gay' rather, one should use 'same sex'.

The position we are placed in as members of society, is observing the transpiration of our society, namely in the united states. Do we, sacrifice moral correctness for say secular uniformity in accordance to the wishes of the minority? Again, take in example Europe. The continent that is Europe is the sepository of Christianity in that it is in Europe that Roman Catholicism blossomed and spread Christian morality throughout the world; namely: Spanish overseas spread of christianity to the new world, as well as English and French missionary activity in its overseas colonies. We see and notice that Europe has liberalized and has already lost its Christian roots, abandoning it to satiate secularism. Europe's christian/catholic following is dwindling. It is loosing its own cultural root. An effect of uber-liberalism.

America, which still remains staunchly christian and conservative, as compared to liberal europe, will remain so for an indefinite time. But we have europe to look at and analyze if we continue on this liberal march.

Its about a moral wrong. Moral wrong and speaking against abomination. It is wrong, therefore do not be afraid to speak against what is wrong.

dili man maka-immoral ang pagkahomosexual. ang "sexual promiscuity" sa usa ka tawo ang matawag nga immoral na jud na, para nako. kay gani, kung ang b***t faithful lang sa iyang partner, ok ko ana. pareho ra sab nas managtiayon, ang pagka-promiscuous sa bana o asawa usa ka dakong salaod sa ilang kaminyoon.

pero, gusto ba kog tawgon nga KASAL o MATRIMONY o MARRIAGE ilang panag-uban? ambot.

ako lang, unsa na kaha poy sunod ani lagi nga i-propose nga pwede pakigminyoan. kung atong lilion ang hunahuna sa tawo...aha, kini akong gikatrilingan...daghan ra bag kabayo ring akong silingan...sus! pagka-DAKO...hahahahaha

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jas4 · « **Reply #70 on:** January 22, 2010, 11:23:59 PM »

To add to that statement, Jas4, even before the Holy Church was established during Pentecost, the Jewish Priests and the Prophets who walked the earth before the WORD MADE FLESH came to the world also preached the sins of homosexuality and its abomination before the Eyes of God.

God hated it so much that he incinerated Sodom and Gomorrha with his Divine Fury.

The Talmud, the basis of the Old Testament, ushers the same message with Church Doctrine regarding this issue.

And to correct you, NO. God is not questionable.

The one who dared to question god was the devil. He was denounced and cast out of heaven.

I beg to disagree, your god is questionable. besides, your only basis is your bible which is also in fact questionable.

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eiluj_yizari · « **Reply #71 on:** January 22, 2010, 11:24:28 PM »

no one can tell at present the accuracy of the bible...we were not born yesterday but the bible is the living proof of yesterday, that's what the church says...
but on my side,it doesn't matter to me how accurate the bible is...basta it serves as my guide to live a righteous life...just imagine how living life could be without the bible?without the church?

homosexuals are not to blame to what they have become...even science cannot exactly explain why there are gays and lesbians when there should only be straight man and woman...science says it could be due to some factors such as the kind of environment they are living or could be genetics...

pero para sa ako, nganong maglalis pa man ta ani?
enough na man siguro nga nadawat na nato ang ilang pagkasila ug nga girespeto na sila sa katilingban...lisud ipamugos ang unisex marriage coz it would become a war between the church and the homosexual community...dugang-dugang sa kagubot sa kalibutan oi!

pasabta ra gud ko, unsa man rason ani nga mga gays ba nganong gusto nilang makasal sad sila?

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glacier_71 · « **Reply #72 on:** January 22, 2010, 11:27:10 PM »

welcome to TB, eiluj_yizari...lisura pod ihilwas imong ngalan..hehehe.

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jas4 · « **Reply #73 on:** January 22, 2010, 11:29:22 PM »

welcome to TB, eiluj_yizari...lisura pod ihilwas imong ngalan..hehehe.

klaro julie ang ngalan.

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eiluj_yizari · « **Reply #74 on:** January 22, 2010, 11:32:00 PM »

if we are to impose gay marriage,then we are to change this christian country into a non-christian country...lisud? o sayon?

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eiluj_yizari · « **Reply #75 on:** January 22, 2010, 11:32:54 PM »

pataka ra man na nga pangan kuya glacier

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eiluj_yizari · « **Reply #76 on:** January 22, 2010, 11:34:53 PM »

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I beg to disagree, your god is questionable. besides, your only basis is your bible which is also in fact questionable.

pagan ka jas4?

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eiluj_yizari · « **Reply #77 on:** January 22, 2010, 11:35:36 PM »

welcome to TB, eiluj_yizari...lisura pod ihilwas imong ngalan..hehehe.

thanks kuya glacier...

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jas4 · « **Reply #78 on:** January 22, 2010, 11:36:19 PM »

if we are to impose gay marriage,then we are to change this christian country into a non-christian country...lisud? o sayon?

christian country??? do you really believe in that crap?
christian country nga bisan sulod sa simbahan naay mangunguot?
christian country nga ang kinabuhi sa usa ka tawo is only worth a nokia 3210 cellphone?

I don't agree with gay marriages. But I just don't agree when people use christianity as a reason.

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jas4 · « **Reply #79 on:** January 22, 2010, 11:37:31 PM »

pagan ka jas4?

wow pagan... if you are referring me as outsider of your christianity, I am.

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