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Re: Can we tolerate a gay marriage in our country?
« Reply #160 on: January 24, 2010, 04:31:26 AM »
Let me ask you something people (at least the proponents of gay marriage). Why wouldn't proponents of pet lovers ALSO propose to the powers-that-be that they also legalize marrying their pets (e.g. dogs or cats) because many of them, too, can claim it's beyond sex and erotism? Why can't these people claim "human respect" as the underlying reason? Or use that argument that says "why would a heterosexual would want to marry one from the opposite number?" Why not?

Why would your answer be NO? Is it because we can sense something wrong in what I'm proposing? Is it really wrong? Think about it? Animals are just as good (esp. dogs and cats) as many humanoids (hahaha).

Or is it because it just so happen that it's not YET what we (as a society) consider at this point in our civilization as RIGHT? Meaning, it's not a matter or question of "human respect" or what-have-you but a matter of right or wrong. As far as I know, being gay or having gay relationships (worse yet, gay marriage) is not yet ackowledged as something right... at this point at least. Besides the Bible (and for a moment here just forget the Bible) NONE of this world's societies (maybe a few cities like San Francisco, etc) have acknowledged yet that a gay relationship is something normal or right much as they haven't recognize or shall ever legitimized/legalized a marriage between pet owners and pets... for reasons so obvious.

I have lots of friends who are gays and I respect them and enjoy their company... but I have also a religion (you don't have to belong to the one I am part of, you know) that I espoused , respect and follow to the best of my ability and we have what we call a BIBLE, a book we simply believe (without others to theologize it) as inspired by God that serves as guide to right and proper living. That what I hope people would respect us for... when we simply stand by what we believe as right and proper. If you believe or would like to live your life otherwise, I think the the world is big enough for all of us... you can always find your niche somewhere. And good luck to you on that!

Pero sa pagka karon - when our knowledge and understanding are as imperfect as we are - morag subidaon pa jud nang inyong ge propose nga gay marriage, even if most people already give respect to the gays and even enjoy their presence amongst us. I hope they have already passed the stage nga mahibaw-an sa ilang mga amahan kay aron di unja makulatahan (that's the joke part in this). If there's any consolation, you're always welcomed in my world and circle and laugh it all!!!


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Re: Can we tolerate a gay marriage in our country?
« Reply #161 on: January 24, 2010, 04:49:31 AM »
Let me ask you something people (at least the proponents of gay marriage). Why wouldn't proponents of pet lovers ALSO propose to the powers-that-be that they also legalize marrying their pets (e.g. dogs or cats) because many of them, too, can claim it's beyond sex and erotism? Why can't these people claim "human respect" as the underlying reason? Or use that argument that says "why would a heterosexual would want to marry one from the opposite number?" Why not?

Why would your answer be NO? Is it because we can sense something wrong in what I'm proposing? Is it really wrong? Think about it? Animals are just as good (esp. dogs and cats) as many humanoids (hahaha).

Or is it because it just so happen that it's not YET what we (as a society) consider at this point in our civilization as RIGHT? Meaning, it's not a matter or question of "human respect" or what-have-you but a matter of right or wrong. As far as I know, being gay or having gay relationships (worse yet, gay marriage) is not yet ackowledged as something right... at this point at least. Besides the Bible (and for a moment here just forget the Bible) NONE of this world's societies (maybe a few cities like San Francisco, etc) have acknowledged yet that a gay relationship is something normal or right much as they haven't recognize or shall ever legitimized/legalized a marriage between pet owners and pets... for reasons so obvious.

I have lots of friends who are gays and I respect them and enjoy their company... but I have also a religion (you don't have to belong to the one I am part of, you know) that I espoused , respect and follow to the best of my ability and we have what we call a BIBLE, a book we simply believe (without others to theologize it) as inspired by God that serves as guide to right and proper living. That what I hope people would respect us for... when we simply stand by what we believe as right and proper. If you believe or would like to live your life otherwise, I think the the world is big enough for all of us... you can always find your niche somewhere. And good luck to you on that!

Pero sa pagka karon - when our knowledge and understanding are as imperfect as we are - morag subidaon pa jud nang inyong ge propose nga gay marriage, even if most people already give respect to the gays and even enjoy their presence amongst us. I hope they have already passed the stage nga mahibaw-an sa ilang mga amahan kay aron di unja makulatahan (that's the joke part in this). If there's any consolation, you're always welcomed in my world and circle and laugh it all!!!


Applause ko nimo Dre, Ing angay ko anang imong joke dah pero tinuod jud ni bahin sa stage nga nahibawo naba kaha ang amahan aron di makulatahan. Pareha ni sa akong best friend b***t ug naa siya sa ilaha macho kaayo,deny to the max pa sa atubangan sa iyang papa nga dili daw siya b***t pero ug tua na mi sa gawas sugod na ug kiay kiay.
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Re: Can we tolerate a gay marriage in our country?
« Reply #162 on: January 24, 2010, 05:18:23 AM »

naks! lawom na sad maninglis ni Glacier! hahaha but i do agree!

maayo na lang nang akoa kaysa imong F*** S***!  :) ;D

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Re: Can we tolerate a gay marriage in our country?
« Reply #163 on: January 24, 2010, 05:23:07 AM »
maayo na lang nang akoa kaysa imong F*** S***!  :) ;D

Glace, dili pod F*** oy, B*** tong gesuwat ni MDB. Basin F***B*** (adik tingale ni sa FB) ang sud sa huna-huna pero nakalitan maong lain nasuwat bwahaha  ::) ;D ;D

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Re: Can we tolerate a gay marriage in our country?
« Reply #164 on: January 24, 2010, 05:32:47 AM »
Galce, dili pod F*** oy, B*** tong gesuwat ni MDB. Basin F***B*** (adik tingale ni sa FB) ang sud sa huna-huna pero nakalitan maong lain nasuwat bwahaha  ::) ;D ;D

hahahaha...mura man ni siyag PitBull og maghisgot nag ingon ani...mao tingali nang naay B**** ning iyang post. hahahaha peace, mdb(ull).

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Re: Can we tolerate a gay marriage in our country?
« Reply #165 on: January 24, 2010, 06:16:31 AM »
tungod ba kay ang ilang gipangayo is a force-to-be-reckoned threat to the long-formed and long-guarded core of the society and culture? sometimes changes in the flow of things can open our eyes to the endless possibilities that would have been forever missed otherwise.


yes, there are certain mandates and orders from the society and its culture that same sex marriage would have trouble getting into, like the procreation and the very concept of marriage. even these are not an absolute hindrance to the argument of pro-same-sex marriage. in fact, they get the nod in other countries.

it is definitely right that human respect is only what it needs to bring this kind of union into position just as hetero unions have had. but institution of marriage as i've understood does not arise on social acceptance alone, which includes respecting their individuality, rights and decision; also, it stems from the natural order of creation - male & female; penis & vagina; semen & sperm; day & night; life & death. this is the natural law from which the "right"-ness of hetero-marriage has been founded. hence, our society may accept and allow SSM, but that doesn't follow that it makes it RIGHT by the dictate of our nature. suffice it to say why our religious brothers and sisters are adamant against the SSM insistence to call their union "marriage" because they don't look at it RIGHT, precisely because it's against Nature, and they ascribe Nature as part of God's plan, His Creation. This is where faith comes into play. (ug tingali moingon na pod si MBD ani, F***B*** that faith!! hahahaha)

sa ako lang, ako lang ni, the loophole of the argument to respect their rights and privileges in our society is that it is based mainly on political and humanistic intervention and influence, which they have obtained in other societies but not yet in the Philippines. It's a strong argument but not strong enough, which leads me to say KUNG mao man galing na nga respetohay man kaha ta, ngano mang di man ko tugotan mangasawa sa akong silingan nga dalaga na pero 10 anyos pa. o nga makapangasawa sa akong TUKOY nga mas bootan pa sa ubang TAWO nga asawa. ingnon man kaha ko nila nga "nabuang na ka", "gibaliw man tingali ka", pero di ba ingon man tingali nang gugma? hahahha.



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Re: Can we tolerate a gay marriage in our country?
« Reply #166 on: January 24, 2010, 07:05:33 AM »
maayo na lang nang akoa kaysa imong F*** S***!  :) ;D



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Re: Can we tolerate a gay marriage in our country?
« Reply #167 on: January 24, 2010, 07:07:07 AM »
Galce, dili pod F*** oy, B*** tong gesuwat ni MDB. Basin F***B*** (adik tingale ni sa FB) ang sud sa huna-huna pero nakalitan maong lain nasuwat bwahaha  ::) ;D ;D


sus bitaw ning FS, FB, FV (farm ville), FT (farm town)  FW (fish world)! haaay maka bu****!

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« Reply #168 on: January 24, 2010, 07:20:42 AM »


as in Friendster? hahahhahah!

Fafa Shuding...hahahaha

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« Reply #169 on: January 24, 2010, 10:06:39 AM »
Inspite of this world's imperfections naa pa jud tay kadaganan pahuwas sa atong pagka-bu**** (craziness, stresses of this world) aning kalibutana.... salamat sa FB, FS, SC, MS, BS (lain nis kang MDB LoL), RN, etc. Kinsay nagdahum gipaabot ta ani no?  ;D ;D ;D

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« Reply #170 on: January 24, 2010, 12:12:44 PM »
Inspite of this world's imperfections naa pa jud tay kadaganan pahuwas sa atong pagka-bu**** (craziness, stresses of this world) aning kalibutana.... salamat sa FB, FS, SC, MS, BS (lain nis kang MDB LoL), RN, etc. Kinsay nagdahum gipaabot ta ani no?  ;D ;D ;D

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« Reply #171 on: January 24, 2010, 05:55:14 PM »
that's true, WarWick, everybody deserves happiness.

too bad, our society is not as simple as it is, where we can just go in and ask what we want or need because we deserve it. like, "i love you, will you marry me?" and there, in split seconds, you have it. for even in the simplest of relationships, acceptance demands time and has to take lots of arguing, making up and letting go. human beings don't grow like other animals. it takes us weeks before we start to walk, and months to talk, years to understand and centuries to form a nation.

however we see this country, the introduction of something not inherent to the culture and norms of this people formed by centuries of religion, conflicts, adaptations, struggles and faith is simply presumptuous. some people should realize we're still a fundamentally heterosexually-oriented community. if this people has to stand against same-sex marriage, it is not to disrespect their orientations as gays and lesbians, or to treat them as disease of the society. it is for me to protect the long-held traditions and institutions of the people, which has been a seminal to their being. i guess this side is where respect should start and not from the other side.

for me it will come. only time can tell. this move should first prove itself as empowering rather than divisive to the fabric of our society. it needs more than education, it needs trust in each other. it should not just point to the vision of happiness; it should also point to the future of mankind and of our future children. good night!





Glacier, let me also add something into perspective that you lightly touched upon. You mentioned about the problems in introducing a foreign concept to a particular conservative society, namely referring to the Philippines in this regard. We have to consider that the conservative aspect bases its stance on natural law and the natural processes; the standard norm. Homosexuality, in this sense, is a deviation of natural law, and is the antithesis of the natural processes.

I will use an analogy: the muscle contractility phenomenon. Actin and Myosin heads will bond, allowing contraction and then release, which is powered by ATP breakdown (adenosine tri-phosphate). Two different muscle bands are required to fulfill this movement. There is no actin-actin movement, or a myosin-myosin movement. No! There is only actin-myosin.

The same as the human fertilization phenomenon in Embryology. The female egg, which carries an XX set of genetic codes will be fertilized by a male sperm, which carries a genetic codet of XY. An egg cannot be fertilized by an egg, nor can a sperm fertilize a sperm. The latter examples are deviations and improper natural processes that will result in a nill of species offspring procreation and thereby lead in pan-analysis: the degradation and obliteration of an entire species due to failed embryological synthesis in development.

A man, which is a sentient being composed of organ systems, which in itself is composed of organs, which in itself is composed of tissues, which in itself is composed of cells are governed by Natural order. Each cell is composed of micrological organelles, which in turn are composed of ordered ions, which are in turn composed of atoms, which follow an ordered law of positive and negatives. Opposites attract. Negative and positive will attract; and similar charged atoms will repel. Two positives will repel; same as two negatives will repel.

If an atom, which is positive will attract a positive then, this would lead to the disruption and the collapse in the entire organization of all life systems and matter in the entire universe. And to follow the laws of quantum physics and atomic physics it is LAW that two positives will not attract, nor will two negatives attract. Everything is ordered; in the natural world as well as in the universe that this planet is but a minute speck and integral member of.

May I also add that there is no such thing as third gender. The continuum of God's Earth has transcribed itself through natural procreative measures. One being XX genetic based (female) or XY genetic based (male).
There can only be 2 sexes, which is responsible for categorization of 'gender'. Throughout God's green earth, male will mate with female to give forth offspring.

It is only man in his need to make sense of things that we have a socially accepted use of the term 'third gender' to give the term gay/homosexual/lesbian/transexual a more 'political correct' term. The position society is placed here is an example of the quintesential fork in the road. Members in society decide have the freedom to decide where they stand in this issue. Again, there is man's law, but there is a greater Divine Law.

Think about it that way.

There is an ordered way of things.

God designed everything in order, and according to HIS purpose.


Man, is the only living social animal that has the ability to lie and to deceive himself from accepting TRUTH.
Man has the ability to twist a lie to sound like truth. Again, an effect of the devil's presence in this world.


That said. The Truth will set you free!


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Re: Can we tolerate a gay marriage in our country?
« Reply #172 on: January 24, 2010, 06:12:21 PM »
tungod ba kay ang ilang gipangayo is a force-to-be-reckoned threat to the long-formed and long-guarded core of the society and culture? sometimes changes in the flow of things can open our eyes to the endless possibilities that would have been forever missed otherwise.


yes, there are certain mandates and orders from the society and its culture that same sex marriage would have trouble getting into, like the procreation and the very concept of marriage. even these are not an absolute hindrance to the argument of pro-same-sex marriage. in fact, they get the nod in other countries.

it is definitely right that human respect is only what it needs to bring this kind of union into position just as hetero unions have had. but institution of marriage as i've understood does not arise on social acceptance alone, which includes respecting their individuality, rights and decision; also, it stems from the natural order of creation - male & female; penis & vagina; semen & sperm; day & night; life & death. this is the natural law from which the "right"-ness of hetero-marriage has been founded. hence, our society may accept and allow SSM, but that doesn't follow that it makes it RIGHT by the dictate of our nature. suffice it to say why our religious brothers and sisters are adamant against the SSM insistence to call their union "marriage" because they don't look at it RIGHT, precisely because it's against Nature, and they ascribe Nature as part of God's plan, His Creation. This is where faith comes into play. (ug tingali moingon na pod si MBD ani, F***B*** that faith!! hahahaha)

sa ako lang, ako lang ni, the loophole of the argument to respect their rights and privileges in our society is that it is based mainly on political and humanistic intervention and influence, which they have obtained in other societies but not yet in the Philippines. It's a strong argument but not strong enough, which leads me to say KUNG mao man galing na nga respetohay man kaha ta, ngano mang di man ko tugotan mangasawa sa akong silingan nga dalaga na pero 10 anyos pa. o nga makapangasawa sa akong TUKOY nga mas bootan pa sa ubang TAWO nga asawa. ingnon man kaha ko nila nga "nabuang na ka", "gibaliw man tingali ka", pero di ba ingon man tingali nang gugma? hahahha.



If I may add, Glacier, there are members in the medical/scientific community that view consider homosexuality not only an abnormality, but the enemy to species procreation. Heterosexual marriage follow natural as well as divine law. Why? Simple, the union between two lead to offspring, which in essence lead to the continuation of the genetic line that the parents come from. Thereby ensuring genetic immortality, which is guaranteed and observed in the health and procreation of offspring. Homosexual union and marriage (to them might be a 'personal right'), is deviation in that it is the act of going against the natural order.

I have had conversations with other geneticists regarding this issue and one added (let me paraphrase his view):
"If we look at homosexuality beyond the moral window, and more so in the biological phenomenon, we will notice that its proliferation is probably nature's way of deviation hormonal regulatory pathways in certain male and female subgroups to check assymetrical human population growth. Human beings are apex predators and, thus, have no competitory species, and if we follow the Malthusian Theoretical Concept, if there is an unchecked assymetrical growth in one predatory species and a linear growth resources, then there will be a point in time in which the assymetric growth of the predatory species will overtake said resources, which would lead to a sharp decline in population. We know that nature prevents a total populatory decline by introducing viral outbreaks, bacterial outbreaks and natural disasters to limit the predatory species, thereby giving time to the resource population to recoup. Homosexuality, in essence, is a deviation of hormonal and reproductory establishments, but the proliferation of homosexuality could be seen as nature's way in reducing unchecked human population growth trends. Since homosexual individuals cannot reproduce according to their lifestyles, their threat to the natural order is limited, since they have accepted a self-genetic ban; denying their genetic longevity by denying the acquisition of offspring in the natural order."



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« Reply #173 on: January 24, 2010, 08:07:48 PM »
I don't think homosexuality is a sin because gays and lesbians are procreated by man. God created man in His image.
God wants us to be happy.

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« Reply #174 on: January 24, 2010, 11:46:25 PM »
I don't think homosexuality is a sin because gays and lesbians are procreated by man. God created man in His image.
God wants us to be happy.

Korek ka kaajo, Sir fdaray!

Bisan kadtong mga close servants sa Ginoo dagko usab ug mga sala. God is good and he created us all human as equal, di ba?
I am in favor to legalize marriage between gays and lesbians and i hope that we all Pinoys can tolerate this. Would be nice!

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Re: Can we tolerate a gay marriage in our country?
« Reply #175 on: January 24, 2010, 11:48:39 PM »
ang problema diha sa atoa kay ang mga b***t magbina baje na bastos na kaayo tan-awon, pero diri, di ka kahibawo og b***t ba o tomboy... nederland is the first country that legelize gay marriage


there are so many countries and so many laws in many parts of the world who have realised that they should not deprive gay people the kind of happiness they deserve as a human being...not just San Francisco, and not just Netherlands. In many parts of Europe, there are even gay-friendly public places like beach and streets, and heterosexuals there respect them. Isn't it sad that, just because our country is conservative Catholic whose churches speak so annoyingly of freedom and peace and respect, but boldly strip many people of their rights to baptismal, funeral, and marriage, many gay people have no choice but to go to Canada just to get married where rights are respected.

If the church choose to give it to whom they think deserves to get married, then I think it would be better if there will be no matrimony at all.

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« Reply #176 on: January 25, 2010, 12:10:44 AM »
If I may add, Glacier, there are members in the medical/scientific community that view consider homosexuality not only an abnormality, but the enemy to species procreation. Heterosexual marriage follow natural as well as divine law. Why? Simple, the union between two lead to offspring, which in essence lead to the continuation of the genetic line that the parents come from. Thereby ensuring genetic immortality, which is guaranteed and observed in the health and procreation of offspring. Homosexual union and marriage (to them might be a 'personal right'), is deviation in that it is the act of going against the natural order.

I have had conversations with other geneticists regarding this issue and one added (let me paraphrase his view):
"If we look at homosexuality beyond the moral window, and more so in the biological phenomenon, we will notice that its proliferation is probably nature's way of deviation hormonal regulatory pathways in certain male and female subgroups to check assymetrical human population growth. Human beings are apex predators and, thus, have no competitory species, and if we follow the Malthusian Theoretical Concept, if there is an unchecked assymetrical growth in one predatory species and a linear growth resources, then there will be a point in time in which the assymetric growth of the predatory species will overtake said resources, which would lead to a sharp decline in population. We know that nature prevents a total populatory decline by introducing viral outbreaks, bacterial outbreaks and natural disasters to limit the predatory species, thereby giving time to the resource population to recoup. Homosexuality, in essence, is a deviation of hormonal and reproductory establishments, but the proliferation of homosexuality could be seen as nature's way in reducing unchecked human population growth trends. Since homosexual individuals cannot reproduce according to their lifestyles, their threat to the natural order is limited, since they have accepted a self-genetic ban; denying their genetic longevity by denying the acquisition of offspring in the natural order."


Glacier, let me also add something into perspective that you lightly touched upon. You mentioned about the problems in introducing a foreign concept to a particular conservative society, namely referring to the Philippines in this regard. We have to consider that the conservative aspect bases its stance on natural law and the natural processes; the standard norm. Homosexuality, in this sense, is a deviation of natural law, and is the antithesis of the natural processes.

I will use an analogy: the muscle contractility phenomenon. Actin and Myosin heads will bond, allowing contraction and then release, which is powered by ATP breakdown (adenosine tri-phosphate). Two different muscle bands are required to fulfill this movement. There is no actin-actin movement, or a myosin-myosin movement. No! There is only actin-myosin.

The same as the human fertilization phenomenon in Embryology. The female egg, which carries an XX set of genetic codes will be fertilized by a male sperm, which carries a genetic codet of XY. An egg cannot be fertilized by an egg, nor can a sperm fertilize a sperm. The latter examples are deviations and improper natural processes that will result in a nill of species offspring procreation and thereby lead in pan-analysis: the degradation and obliteration of an entire species due to failed embryological synthesis in development.

A man, which is a sentient being composed of organ systems, which in itself is composed of organs, which in itself is composed of tissues, which in itself is composed of cells are governed by Natural order. Each cell is composed of micrological organelles, which in turn are composed of ordered ions, which are in turn composed of atoms, which follow an ordered law of positive and negatives. Opposites attract. Negative and positive will attract; and similar charged atoms will repel. Two positives will repel; same as two negatives will repel.

If an atom, which is positive will attract a positive then, this would lead to the disruption and the collapse in the entire organization of all life systems and matter in the entire universe. And to follow the laws of quantum physics and atomic physics it is LAW that two positives will not attract, nor will two negatives attract. Everything is ordered; in the natural world as well as in the universe that this planet is but a minute speck and integral member of.

May I also add that there is no such thing as third gender. The continuum of God's Earth has transcribed itself through natural procreative measures. One being XX genetic based (female) or XY genetic based (male).
There can only be 2 sexes, which is responsible for categorization of 'gender'. Throughout God's green earth, male will mate with female to give forth offspring.

It is only man in his need to make sense of things that we have a socially accepted use of the term 'third gender' to give the term gay/homosexual/lesbian/transexual a more 'political correct' term. The position society is placed here is an example of the quintesential fork in the road. Members in society decide have the freedom to decide where they stand in this issue. Again, there is man's law, but there is a greater Divine Law.

Think about it that way.

There is an ordered way of things.

God designed everything in order, and according to HIS purpose.


Man, is the only living social animal that has the ability to lie and to deceive himself from accepting TRUTH.
Man has the ability to twist a lie to sound like truth. Again, an effect of the devil's presence in this world.


That said. The Truth will set you free!


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You've said it: God designed everything in order, and according to HIS purpose.

WOuldn't that mean that the existence of gay community is part of God's plan, and has its own purpose and role in this world? If you truly believe in your God and trust everything that he did and does, then why are you questioning about the existence of homosexuals, scrutinize them and their worth?

It is just us people who are very sensitive to the "divine" law that we thought we were able to fathom. Everything and everyone that exist in this world are God's creation. Would you argue that statement? Now, why gays exist? Is it a matter of men's choice to be gay?  If you challenge the fact that gays exist, then you are implying that some of God's creations are flawed.


And I don't even believe in saints and devils. It is just us people who create those terms, do evil things and good deeds, and assessing ourselves by our own foolishness that such words really exist. And I think the word devil came into being to refer to those people who choose to defy the voice of the society. They're just being brave and courageous, but people call them evil.


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« Reply #177 on: January 25, 2010, 12:24:24 AM »

You've said it: God designed everything in order, and according to HIS purpose.

WOuldn't that mean that the existence of gay community is part of God's plan, and has its own purpose and role in this world? If you truly believe in your God and trust everything that he did and does, then why are you questioning about the existence of homosexuals, scrutinize them and their worth?

It is just us people who are very sensitive to the "divine" law that we thought we were able to fathom. Everything and everyone that exist in this world are God's creation. Would you argue that statement? Now, why gays exist? Is it a matter of men's choice to be gay?  If you challenge the fact that gays exist, then you are implying that some of God's creations are flawed.


And I don't even believe in saints and devils. It is just us people who create those terms, do evil things and good deeds, and assessing ourselves by our own foolishness that such words really exist. And I think the word devil came into being to refer to those people who choose to defy the voice of the society. They're just being brave and courageous, but people call them evil.


Everyone is created. You were created because your mother and father bore you, and delivered you into this world.
The Lord your God loved you so much that He gave you the freedom of choice. You live your life because you have decided to live it according to your own desires, your own choosing. It is up to the individual to abide by the Word of God or not. In the end, you shall be judged. There is no changing or altering that.


The Lord your God said, "I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live."
Deuteronomy 30:19:

And what begets death? We are told that the wage of sin is death.

For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Romans 6:23


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« Reply #178 on: January 25, 2010, 03:09:52 AM »
Bitaw, whether motoo ta nga binuhat tas Ginoo or dili, is really irrelevant for many here. For some of us who do believe, it's not because we're that bright to claim we know everything (or that much) except that we have a religion or system of beliefs we espoused as wisdom and guide to "right living". Dautan ba diay kung mosunod lang ang tawo sa iyang gitoohan? Like some of us clarified here, we have the freedom of choice how to live our lives: pwede ka mag hinawod, pwede magbinayot o pwede pod magbinuotan. It's your life, after all. Live it as you please!!! If some here contend homosexuality as wrong, it's because they're seeing it from their own perspective or religious upbringing (ayaw lang god mo kasuko). If you think homosexuality (just being gay) is not sinful, then so be it. Imo sad nang pagtoo. Wa joy mopogos nimo. Di man lang practice of homosexuality is condemned by the Catholic Chuurch as sinful, hasta man pod heterosexual relationship that is outside of marriage og kanang nagduwa-duwa sa relasyon nga "fragile" kaau. It's also a matter of justice, you know... kanang magpahimos sa mga vulnerable (lumay ug mga kasing-kasing). ALSO, Di naman pod siguro kinahanglan "mangigo" ta (below the belt)... nga maski ang mga servants sa Simbahan, dagko usab ug sala. The Church for centuries knew that and admitted that; we preach that every Sunday. Parents preached that to their kids. Kay naa ba diay di makasasala aning kalibutana? Klaro mana sa Bibliya. Coz if you claim you're one (sinless), either you're a liar or to you I'd say, "pag sure oi!!!" (LoL). Makasasa bitaw ta tanan. Di naman na angay istoryahan pa. Discussions here are basically battles of the minds (sometimes of prides, kung kinsay bright), perspectives, beliefs (kuno, as if we're broad or open-minded) or just plain arguing for the sake of one. Ang mo-surrender, aw.... but I urge everyone to stand by their beliefs... and live them!!! For that I will respect that person, the same way as I always admired atheists or agnostics for being so brave/fearless in not believing in a God. I wish isog pod ko like them... but am I really that different from them?

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« Reply #179 on: January 25, 2010, 03:27:14 AM »
Another question for those say they "accept" homosexuality: kanang inyong pag accept sa mga homosexuals (practicing akong pasabot ani) or gay (incl. gay marriage) ... have you REALLY and TRULY accepted them in every aspect of the word? O gusto ba lang ninyo nga e-recognize sila sa society? But would you take them personally in your homes, ask them to be ninongs or ninangs of your children, or molohod sa inyong kasal or what-have-you, baby-sitter sa inyong mga anak, etc? Would you in some intimate way invite them to partake in your family life, etc? Or basin pod ang inyong attitude is, "Ok ra sila e-recognize, but I don't want to have anything to do with them?" Hmmmm. You don't have to answer any of these, but it sure doesn't hurt to ask ourselves these questions.

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« Reply #180 on: January 25, 2010, 03:34:40 AM »
Bitaw, whether motoo ta nga binuhat tas Ginoo or dili, is really irrelevant for many here. For some of us who do believe, it's not because we're that bright to claim we know everything (or that much) except that we have a religion or system of beliefs we espoused as wisdom and guide to "right living". Dautan ba diay kung mosunod lang ang tawo sa iyang gitoohan? Like some of us clarified here, we have the freedom of choice how to live our lives: pwede ka mag hinawod, pwede magbinayot o pwede pod magbinuotan. It's your life, after all. Live it as you please!!! If some here contend homosexuality as wrong, it's because they're seeing it from their own perspective or religious upbringing (ayaw lang god mo kasuko). If you think homosexuality (just being gay) is not sinful, then so be it. Imo sad nang pagtoo. Wa joy mopogos nimo. Di man lang practice of homosexuality is condemned by the Catholic Chuurch as sinful, hasta man pod heterosexual relationship that is outside of marriage og kanang nagduwa-duwa sa relasyon nga "fragile" kaau. It's also a matter of justice, you know... kanang magpahimos sa mga vulnerable (lumay ug mga kasing-kasing). ALSO, Di naman pod siguro kinahanglan "mangigo" ta (below the belt)... nga maski ang mga servants sa Simbahan, dagko usab ug sala. The Church for centuries knew that and admitted that; we preach that every Sunday. Parents preached that to their kids. Kay naa ba diay di makasasala aning kalibutana? Klaro mana sa Bibliya. Coz if you claim you're one (sinless), either you're a liar or to you I'd say, "pag sure oi!!!" (LoL). Makasasa bitaw ta tanan. Di naman na angay istoryahan pa. Discussions here are basically battles of the minds (sometimes of prides, kung kinsay bright), perspectives, beliefs (kuno, as if we're broad or open-minded) or just plain arguing for the sake of one. Ang mo-surrender, aw.... but I urge everyone to stand by their beliefs... and live them!!! For that I will respect that person, the same way as I always admired atheists or agnostics for being so brave/fearless in not believing in a God. I wish isog pod ko like them... but am I really that different from them?

Fr, tinuud bitaw ang gi ingon nimo. Sa historidad sa Church, naay church members nga nag sala pero ang Church itself has been blameless, for it has preached the Truth and has spread the Holy Gospel unto the peoples under pain of death and opposition. Since the days that the Church hid from Roman persecution till the present age.

As for your last statement, hehehe, isog man pood ka Fr., isog ka kai you had the guts to answer HIS call when others who were called did not have the strength to answer it. So ako mo salute nimo. Ang mga tawo nga naay justification in Jesus Christ's Gospel of Truth, there is nothing an opposition can do to hinder the message of the Gospel. For it is said that "Greater is HE who is in you than he who is in the world" (1 John 4:4)
Brave ka kai naay faith, anyone who has faith and chooses to see what the eyes cannot see but sees what the spirit and the soul sees is justified in Christ's promise than there will be life after this one.

For those who continue to let their sin rule their lives, and who reject a God, then as it is said, they shall be sifted like weeds. And be cast into the lake of fire in the time of judgement.

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Re: Can we tolerate a gay marriage in our country?
« Reply #181 on: January 25, 2010, 03:38:09 AM »
wa man ko ka klaro unsa nga klase sa kasal ang gihisgotan, kasal sa simbahan o kasal sa minsipyo.
legal man ang kasal sa mga b***t diri pero sa munisipyo  ang kasal

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« Reply #182 on: January 25, 2010, 03:45:05 AM »
Another question for those say they "accept" homosexuality: kanang inyong pag accept sa mga homosexuals (practicing akong pasabot ani) or gay (incl. gay marriage) ... have you REALLY and TRULY accepted them in every aspect of the word? O gusto ba lang ninyo nga e-recognize sila sa society? But would you take them personally in your homes, ask them to be ninongs or ninangs of your children, or molohod sa inyong kasal or what-have-you, baby-sitter sa inyong mga anak, etc? Would you in some intimate way invite them to partake in your family life, etc? Or basin pod ang inyong attitude is, "Ok ra sila e-recognize, but I don't want to have anything to do with them?" Hmmmm. You don't have to answer any of these, but it sure doesn't hurt to ask ourselves these questions.

Thought-provoking questions, Father.  I am not in favor of same-sex marriage  but with the gay/lesbian people close to me (I have a few and even have relatives who are gays/lesbians), I welcome them in my life and I respect their individuality.  They are a part of my life as much as I am to them.  I won't say more, or say less but I'd like to share just this one:

I have an Ilonggo-gay friend named Boyet. When he learned (this happened 14 years ago) that one of our former co-workers had an abortion because the boyfriend didn't want to marry her, Boyet talked to me and another close friend.  He said that should we be in that same situation, "DO NOT ABORT YOUR PREGNANCY!  I am true-blooded b***t but I am willing to marry you if that's what it takes to save your baby!"  It was hilarious, at first, then later I thought, this guy is so wonderful!  He is a keeper.  A friend forever.  Oh, I asked him about this same-sex marriage issue.  He said, as a Catholic, he would say, no.  And yes, if I had children, I would have him as Ninong/Ninang.



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« Reply #183 on: January 25, 2010, 03:48:47 AM »
Another question for those say they "accept" homosexuality: kanang inyong pag accept sa mga homosexuals (practicing akong pasabot ani) or gay (incl. gay marriage) ... have you REALLY and TRULY accepted them in every aspect of the word? O gusto ba lang ninyo nga e-recognize sila sa society? But would you take them personally in your homes, ask them to be ninongs or ninangs of your children, or molohod sa inyong kasal or what-have-you, baby-sitter sa inyong mga anak, etc? Would you in some intimate way invite them to partake in your family life, etc? Or basin pod ang inyong attitude is, "Ok ra sila e-recognize, but I don't want to have anything to do with them?" Hmmmm. You don't have to answer any of these, but it sure doesn't hurt to ask ourselves these questions.

hahahaha, mao jud pads. kita ra bang mga pinoy ganahan kaayo ta manghapak sa kinaiya ug lihok sa ubang tawo. kanang mangigo ba. sama pananglit aning mga tawo nga ganahan kaayo og mga b***t. malipay kaayo ta makakita nila ug makauban sa publiko. pero og kita na ganiy tawgon nga b***t...huh, manggokod man kaha ug manigbas kay kono pataka lang og panghingan. LOL.

girespetar baya sa katilingban ug relihiyosong grupo ning mga b***t ug tomboy. bisan sa ato. sama usab nga girespetar sa simbahan ang mga kriminal ug ilang kinabuhi, gani batok kaayo ang simbahan sa death penalty. sampol lang ni. apan, bisan pa og girespetar kini sa simbahan, pero og moingon ning kriminal, gusto kong magpari pareho ni Fr. Chico, kay bootan. gatoo ta nga tugotan dayon na sa simbahan? dili man tingali. di ba, pads? unya moingon dayon tag unfair ni, kay naay daghang mga na-pari nga kriminal pog "kinabuhi?" dili pod tingali na sakto. kana tungod kay naay gidapigan ug gisandigan nga balaod ang simbahan. mao ra pod nas kahimtang sa same-sex marriage. di jud motugot ana ang simbahan nga kaslon o makasal ni Fr. Chico, sa klaro nang hinungdan.

lain pa. ayaw pagtoo nga bisag ma-legalize pa ang SSM sa Pinas, unya dayon pong mo-uyon ang simbahan ug ubang mga grupo relihiyoso nga modawat niini. dili. sama diri sa Canada. di man mokasal ang simbahan og SSM. pero, wa bay b***t nga naas choir matag-domingo? naay daghan. naa ganiy usa ga grupo nga puro b***t tig-kanta sa usa ka simbahan sa Toronto. unya moingon ta nga way alamag ang simbahan sa pagrespitar nila? keber.

ako argument mao ra jud ni, kung makadawat man kaha ta aning SSM tungod sa hinungdan nga respetar nis ilang katungod, ngano mang di man ta kadawat lagi nga magpakasal kos among silingan nga akong giangyan, pero 10 anyos pa? ngano man be? ug ako pa jud ning palawman. ngano man diay og magpakasal kos akong binuhing baksan nga ako man ning katungod ug kalipay ug himaya nga ikauban nako kini siya sa tibook nakong kinabuhi? ngano man be? di diay ko moingon nga unfair ang balaod kay wa nila respetohi akong katungod makiminyo og baksan?









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« Reply #184 on: January 25, 2010, 03:59:10 AM »
Another question for those say they "accept" homosexuality: kanang inyong pag accept sa mga homosexuals (practicing akong pasabot ani) or gay (incl. gay marriage) ... have you REALLY and TRULY accepted them in every aspect of the word? O gusto ba lang ninyo nga e-recognize sila sa society? But would you take them personally in your homes, ask them to be ninongs or ninangs of your children, or molohod sa inyong kasal or what-have-you, baby-sitter sa inyong mga anak, etc? Would you in some intimate way invite them to partake in your family life, etc? Or basin pod ang inyong attitude is, "Ok ra sila e-recognize, but I don't want to have anything to do with them?" Hmmmm. You don't have to answer any of these, but it sure doesn't hurt to ask ourselves these questions.

I have friends who are straight, and gays. Dili ko prejudiced sa mga b***t in their individuality, pero against ko sa ang act sa homosexuality. I respect them as human beings, with mind, feeling, and some..with faith. I have a friend who is gay and he is very active bitaw in church; tho he is not catholic, he is baptist.

We had this question in an bible study class; "Is Homosexuality a sin?"

He himself answered the question when it was his turn to give his point and give a scriptural verse; his reference to Leviticus was poignant. And at the end of his turn, he admitted to us that he himself is gay and aware of his sinful nature. We did a prayer for healing for him. When asked about gay marriages, he was against it.

It is quite interesting because for him, he is ashamed of being gay. And for him, a source of strength to battle it was turning to the bible and finding strength in Jesus Christ who is Lord.

Very good individual. I do pray for him...

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« Reply #185 on: January 25, 2010, 04:33:09 AM »
 who among the TB women who wants to marry me, raise your hand???

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« Reply #186 on: January 25, 2010, 04:35:19 AM »
who among the TB women who wants to marry me, raise your hand???


ang marriage sa same sex diri dili man kinahanglan sa simbahan. kami kay wa man mi gikasal sa simbahan would you guys consider me as NON MARRIED? nag libog jud ko. 

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« Reply #187 on: January 25, 2010, 04:39:10 AM »
who among the TB women who wants to marry me, raise your hand???

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« Reply #189 on: January 25, 2010, 04:59:06 AM »
I have 6 lesbian co-workers and two of them get married (civil wedding). we were invited and other friends acted as legal witnessess. Kon adunay parties I dance with them, ako ang baje sila ang lalake. Very tender sila modala ug sayaw. It is truly queer to see two women dancing tango!

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« Reply #190 on: January 25, 2010, 05:00:49 AM »
nganong naa man mo ingon nga being gay is a sin! nag judge na na???
Another question for those say they "accept" homosexuality: kanang inyong pag accept sa mga homosexuals (practicing akong pasabot ani) or gay (incl. gay marriage) ... have you REALLY and TRULY accepted them in every aspect of the word? O gusto ba lang ninyo nga e-recognize sila sa society? But would you take them personally in your homes, ask them to be ninongs or ninangs of your children, or molohod sa inyong kasal or what-have-you, baby-sitter sa inyong mga anak, etc? Would you in some intimate way invite them to partake in your family life, etc? Or basin pod ang inyong attitude is, "Ok ra sila e-recognize, but I don't want to have anything to do with them?" Hmmmm. You don't have to answer any of these, but it sure doesn't hurt to ask ourselves these questions.


sakto jud ni nga pangutana 'der, mao ni akong giingon  nga whatever you think about these people maka apekto jud na sa imong pag serbisyo.

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Re: Can we tolerate a gay marriage in our country?
« Reply #191 on: January 25, 2010, 05:02:00 AM »
Another question for those say they "accept" homosexuality: kanang inyong pag accept sa mga homosexuals (practicing akong pasabot ani) or gay (incl. gay marriage) ... have you REALLY and TRULY accepted them in every aspect of the word? O gusto ba lang ninyo nga e-recognize sila sa society? But would you take them personally in your homes, ask them to be ninongs or ninangs of your children, or molohod sa inyong kasal or what-have-you, baby-sitter sa inyong mga anak, etc? Would you in some intimate way invite them to partake in your family life, etc? Or basin pod ang inyong attitude is, "Ok ra sila e-recognize, but I don't want to have anything to do with them?" Hmmmm. You don't have to answer any of these, but it sure doesn't hurt to ask ourselves these questions.

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Re: Can we tolerate a gay marriage in our country?
« Reply #192 on: January 25, 2010, 05:51:44 AM »
who among the TB women who wants to marry me, raise your hand???

Unya nako raise sa akong hands, magpaka babaye sa ko MDB... wew!

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« Reply #193 on: January 25, 2010, 07:32:18 AM »
who among the TB women who wants to marry me, raise your hand???

ari na lang kos akong tukoy, mdb. mas gentle pa ug i know certified virgin kini. whahahaha.

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Re: Can we tolerate a gay marriage in our country?
« Reply #194 on: February 05, 2010, 09:17:30 PM »
ari na lang kos akong tukoy, mdb. mas gentle pa ug i know certified virgin kini. whahahaha.

Bilib kos imong disiplina ug self-restraint, Bay Glace. Kanay Kristyano, maghulat jud nga makasal! ;D

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« Reply #195 on: February 05, 2010, 09:48:20 PM »
Bilib kos imong disiplina ug self-restraint, Bay Glace. Kanay Kristyano, maghulat jud nga makasal! ;D

hahahahaha, salamat bay hubs. kung makasal ko ikaw akong kuhaon nga maninoy.  ;D

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« Reply #196 on: February 05, 2010, 09:55:24 PM »
hahahahaha, salamat bay hubs. kung makasal ko ikaw akong kuhaon nga maninoy.  ;D

Akoy maninoy, si Fr. Chic ang mokasal, si Ms. MDB ang imong santos, payts kaajo. Kon manganak mo, magkinahanglan kag vet, aw doktor diay... ;D

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Re: Can we tolerate a gay marriage in our country?
« Reply #197 on: February 06, 2010, 12:14:42 AM »
Akoy maninoy, si Fr. Chic ang mokasal, si Ms. MDB ang imong santos, payts kaajo. Kon manganak mo, magkinahanglan kag vet, aw doktor diay... ;D


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« Reply #198 on: February 06, 2010, 02:01:36 AM »

ako ang santa santita!
hahahhaha!

apan, sumala sa bag-ong kasayoran, gahi ka makalusot pagka-santa santita, mdb, kay gamay ra kono imong utok, ingon si nilo**dingal. bwhahahaha. peace.

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Re: Can we tolerate a gay marriage in our country?
« Reply #199 on: February 06, 2010, 02:05:25 AM »
ari na lang kos akong tukoy, mdb. mas gentle pa ug i know certified virgin kini. whahahaha.

Asa ta pwede mokuhag certification Glace? Notarized akong gusto ha? Bwahehehe...

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