Author Topic: Can we tolerate a gay marriage in our country? (Read 24134 times)

david · « **Reply #120 on:** January 23, 2010, 03:28:52 AM »

Ampo na lang kanunay para sa imong amigo nga namatay, bro. Ajaw lang pag worry na. Ampo lang...

salamat bro.

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jas4 · « **Reply #121 on:** January 23, 2010, 03:31:32 AM »

Ampo na lang kanunay para sa imong amigo nga namatay, bro. Ajaw lang pag worry na. Ampo lang...

hahahahaha... naa sad ni sa inyong bibliya???

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #122 on:** January 23, 2010, 03:38:58 AM »

hahahahaha... naa sad ni sa inyong bibliya???

Absolutely.

See 2 Maccabees Chapter 12

39
On the following day, since the task had now become urgent, Judas and his men went to gather up the bodies of the slain and bury them with their kinsmen in their ancestral tombs.
40
But under the tunic of each of the dead they found amulets sacred to the idols of Jamnia, which the law forbids the Jews to wear. So it was clear to all that this was why these men had been slain.
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They all therefore praised the ways of the Lord, the just judge who brings to light the things that are hidden.
42
7 Turning to supplication, they prayed that the sinful deed might be fully blotted out. The noble Judas warned the soldiers to keep themselves free from sin, for they had seen with their own eyes what had happened because of the sin of those who had fallen.
43
He then took up a collection among all his soldiers, amounting to two thousand silver drachmas, which he sent to Jerusalem to provide for an expiatory sacrifice. In doing this he acted in a very excellent and noble way, inasmuch as he had the resurrection of the dead in view;
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for if he were not expecting the fallen to rise again, it would have been useless and foolish to pray for them in death.
45
But if he did this with a view to the splendid reward that awaits those who had gone to rest in godliness, it was a holy and pious thought.
46
Thus he made atonement for the dead that they might be freed from this sin.

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hofelina · « **Reply #123 on:** January 23, 2010, 04:03:43 AM »

Thanks for this wonderful reply Dong bran.

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jas4 · « **Reply #124 on:** January 23, 2010, 05:00:45 AM »

Absolutely.

See 2 Maccabees Chapter 12

39
On the following day, since the task had now become urgent, Judas and his men went to gather up the bodies of the slain and bury them with their kinsmen in their ancestral tombs.
40
But under the tunic of each of the dead they found amulets sacred to the idols of Jamnia, which the law forbids the Jews to wear. So it was clear to all that this was why these men had been slain.
41
They all therefore praised the ways of the Lord, the just judge who brings to light the things that are hidden.
42
7 Turning to supplication, they prayed that the sinful deed might be fully blotted out. The noble Judas warned the soldiers to keep themselves free from sin, for they had seen with their own eyes what had happened because of the sin of those who had fallen.
43
He then took up a collection among all his soldiers, amounting to two thousand silver drachmas, which he sent to Jerusalem to provide for an expiatory sacrifice. In doing this he acted in a very excellent and noble way, inasmuch as he had the resurrection of the dead in view;
44
for if he were not expecting the fallen to rise again, it would have been useless and foolish to pray for them in death.
45
But if he did this with a view to the splendid reward that awaits those who had gone to rest in godliness, it was a holy and pious thought.
46
Thus he made atonement for the dead that they might be freed from this sin.

mao diay this book is chosen by the catholic church even if it contradicts the rest of the books in other christian group's bible...

hahahahahahaha...

that bible is just another book

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #125 on:** January 23, 2010, 05:41:37 AM »

Actually, your ignorance in biblical historiography is apparent. It was the Holy Roman Catholic Church and the Early Church Fathers that authored and compiled the Holy Bible, with Divine Guidance from the Holy Spirit. All books that are considered canon books are included in the Catholic Holy Bible, the original bible.

The protestant, Martin Luther, removed 7 canon books that supported the Catholic teaching of Scriptural Doctrine and Sacred Tradition transpired and ushered in Divine Truth. Whereas Martin Luther proposed the concept of Sola Scriptura, which noted that Biblical Doctrine alone was necessary. The 7 books that Martin Luther removed included: Tobit, Judith, 1 Maccabees, 2 Maccabees, Wisdom, Sirach, Baruc as well as parts of Esther and parts of Daniel.

Authority comes in the original work, which was prepared by the Catholic Church. Without the Catholic Church, there would be no Bible, to which, even Martin Luther, himself, admits:

"We are obliged to yield many things to the Catholics – , that they possess the Word of God, which we received from them; otherwise, we should have known nothing at all about it."
---Martin Luther, Commentary on John, Chap 16.

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #126 on:** January 23, 2010, 05:58:40 AM »

mao diay this book is chosen by the catholic church even if it contradicts the rest of the books in other christian group's bible...

hahahahahahaha...

that bible is just another book

Walay contradiction sa Catholic Church sa other christian denomination groups. Ang Simbahang Katoliko is the primo, the original, bro. Wala yamo before us. Established ang Simbahang Katoliko sa lawas ni Hesu Kristo didto sa Cross.
Gi ingnan ang first santo papa, si Peter, "Not even the gates of hell shall overpower the church."

Bisan nag guera ang protestante sa mga katoliko, wa jud nga guba ang Simbahang Katoliko kai established man ni siya, ang HOLY MOTHER CHURCH, in sanctified by Grace of Jesus Christ. It is infallable.

So, it is correct to say that other christian denominations contradict the Catholic Church's Teachings.
Pero dili ang other way around. he he he.

God Bless you~!

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chicogon · « **Reply #127 on:** January 23, 2010, 05:58:51 AM »

Unsay blema Bran y man ni pvt message ka? Hmmm... taas-taas man pod tag basahon deri. I have a wedding pa tonight, BRB sa... Please update me. Thanks.

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david · « **Reply #128 on:** January 23, 2010, 06:01:35 AM »

subaya lang padz, ayaw lang iapil nang tag-as para madali

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #129 on:** January 23, 2010, 06:18:06 AM »

Unsay blema Bran y man ni pvt message ka? Hmmm... taas-taas man pod tag basahon deri. I have a wedding pa tonight, BRB sa... Please update me. Thanks.

Fr, naay question si David regarding burial kono because he had a friend who died in an accident, however, he and his partner were not married. There was an incident concerning his burial in a Catholic Cemetery.
Do you the specifics regarding any limitations to the provisions of a catholic burial?

Father, attend the wedding first. When you are free, could you please provide as an explanation to this query?

Thank you, Fr. Lungay.

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david · « **Reply #130 on:** January 23, 2010, 06:20:50 AM »

Fr, naay question si David regarding burial kono because he had a friend who died in an accident, however, he and his partner were not married. There was an incident concerning his burial in a Catholic Cemetery.
Do you the specifics regarding any limitations to the provisions of a catholic burial?

Father, attend the wedding first. When you are free, could you please provide as an explanation to this query?

Thank you, Fr. Lungay.

bro. lorenz dili lang kay sa sementeryo hasta na sa pag sod sa simbahan para unta a misahan, dili pwede

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hofelina · « **Reply #131 on:** January 23, 2010, 06:31:04 AM »

mahinomdom ko, sugid sa mga katigulangan ang in-ani nga hitabo kadtong naghikog. I think this attitude is already passÃ©, the church has changed a lot, this is not a practice anymore.
Such things will not happen in Germany.

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david · « **Reply #132 on:** January 23, 2010, 06:33:51 AM »

mahinomdom ko, sugid sa mga katigulangan ang in-ani nga hitabo kadtong naghikog. I think this attitude is already passÃ©, the church has changed a lot, this is not a practice anymore.
Such things will not happen in Germany.

ok manay murag wa koy libog sa maghikog, pero sa akong amigo lahi ang hitabo

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Raquelproud boholana · « **Reply #133 on:** January 23, 2010, 12:22:55 PM »

David ang nahitabo sa imong amigo either ang pari nag lack siya ug charity sa namatay. I think his reason why he denied funeral mass,burial in consecrated ground kay iyang gi base sa canon 1184 sa catholic church.
Canon 1184 Â§1. Unless they gave some signs of repentance before death, the following must be deprived of ecclesiastical funerals:
1/ notorious apostates, heretics, and schismatics;
2/ those who chose the cremation of their bodies for reasons contrary to Christian faith;
3/ other manifest sinners who cannot be granted ecclesiastical funerals without public scandal of the faithful.

Gibasihan sa Pari ang number 3 reason pero ang nahitabo iyang gi judge ang imo amigo. Dapat gipaminaw niya ang party sa namatyan. Like you said nagplano imong amigo magpakasal so that is sign nga nag repent gyud siya ug naay good intention pero unsaon gidimalas man. Sobra ra pud ka stict tong pari nga ing refuse niya ug burial.Ang pari nag lack of charity ani mao ni problema.
Pasensya na mura pud ko ug mao nga nagpasabot mag secretary nalang kaha ko ni Father Chicogon ani heheheh. Personal opinion ra ni nako sorry I can't help myself pero hope nalandag lanadagan nako imong pangutana.

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chicogon · « **Reply #134 on:** January 23, 2010, 12:28:17 PM »

I won't repeat everything here kay taas na ug libog pa jud. Sa tinuod wa sad ko makasabot ngano gibalibaran o guidili pagsud sa simbahan ang maong kaila/amigo ni David, tungod ba lang kay di kasado sa simbahan. Was there a deeper reason? Like, public rejection of the faith? Or personalan ra ba to sa Kura Paroko? Deri sa amo simbahan maski makasasala o gikan sa laing religion dawaton man ug hatagan ug decent funeral service if they request so. The only one (reason) I know dunay negative provision is one nga miembro sa Mason, kay duna na silay sariling funeral arrangement outside the Catholic Church nga medyo wa mouyon ang simbahan hehehe. What it is I really do not know.

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chicogon · « **Reply #135 on:** January 23, 2010, 12:35:19 PM »

David ang nahitabo sa imong amigo either ang pari nag lack siya ug charity sa namatay. I think his reason why he denied funeral mass,burial in consecrated ground kay iyang gi base sa canon 1184 sa catholic church.
Canon 1184 §1. Unless they gave some signs of repentance before death, the following must be deprived of ecclesiastical funerals:
1/ notorious apostates, heretics, and schismatics;
2/ those who chose the cremation of their bodies for reasons contrary to Christian faith;
3/ other manifest sinners who cannot be granted ecclesiastical funerals without public scandal of the faithful.

Gibasihan sa Pari ang number 3 reason pero ang nahitabo iyang gi judge ang imo amigo. Dapat gipaminaw niya ang party sa namatyan. Like you said nagplano imong amigo magpakasal so that is sign nga nag repent gyud siya ug naay good intention pero unsaon gidimalas man. Sobra ra pud ka stict tong pari nga ing refuse niya ug burial.Ang pari nag lack of charity ani mao ni problema.
Pasensya na mura pud ko ug mao nga nagpasabot mag secretary nalang kaha ko ni Father Chicogon ani heheheh. Personal opinion ra ni nako sorry I can't help myself pero hope nalandag lanadagan nako imong pangutana.

Muangay ko aning imong explanation Raq kay based on Canon Law man jud. That's the extent of Church law. Pero duna sad tay ginatawag nga being "pastoral" o "kalooy" nga ika extend sa nanginahanglan... nga maoy mo stretch sa balaod. Kadungog naman tas giingon sa Ginoo sa Gospels "the sabbath laws are made for man" not the other way around. "Hear, those who have ears" ika nga. Pero naa man say mga tawo nga nagpakabuta ug bungol. Unsaon taman.

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #136 on:** January 23, 2010, 01:12:11 PM »

I won't repeat everything here kay taas na ug libog pa jud. Sa tinuod wa sad ko makasabot ngano gibalibaran o guidili pagsud sa simbahan ang maong kaila/amigo ni David, tungod ba lang kay di kasado sa simbahan. Was there a deeper reason? Like, public rejection of the faith? Or personalan ra ba to sa Kura Paroko? Deri sa amo simbahan maski makasasala o gikan sa laing religion dawaton man ug hatagan ug decent funeral service if they request so. The only one (reason) I know dunay negative provision is one nga miembro sa Mason, kay duna na silay sariling funeral arrangement outside the Catholic Church nga medyo wa mouyon ang simbahan hehehe. What is it I do not really know pod.

Thanks for the explanation, Fr. Lungay.

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chicogon · « **Reply #137 on:** January 23, 2010, 01:16:28 PM »

Thanks for the explanation, Fr. Lungay.

Who's Fr. Lungay???

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WarWick · « **Reply #138 on:** January 23, 2010, 11:59:29 PM »

wala bitaw. bisan sa ato. sumala gud sa pinas og nakasamok ba ang mga b***t. mao pa man ganiy nagdala og bibo sa mga coronation ug mga programa. kusog pa man gani mosimba nang uban kay kanato.

ug di man tingali ni ila pagsamok-samok kung nangayo sila og recognition. wa pa lang sila masabti ug di pod sayon dawaton ilang gipangayo.

tungod ba kay ang ilang gipangayo is a force-to-be-reckoned threat to the long-formed and long-guarded core of the society and culture? sometimes changes in the flow of things can open our eyes to the endless possibilities that would have been forever missed otherwise.

But sadly, yes, i agree....it takes time for the world to understand and accept. I just hope it won't take too long for them to give their nod.

Sometimes, when I have to make decisions for myself, and if I want to do something, I don't listen to what the society says about what I should or should not do. I don't have to please them all the time just for me to remain in the crowd.

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WarWick · « **Reply #139 on:** January 24, 2010, 12:04:59 AM »

pero para sa ako, nganong maglalis pa man ta ani?
enough na man siguro nga nadawat na nato ang ilang pagkasila ug nga girespeto na sila sa katilingban...lisud ipamugos ang unisex marriage coz it would become a war between the church and the homosexual community...dugang-dugang sa kagubot sa kalibutan oi!

pasabta ra gud ko, unsa man rason ani nga mga gays ba nganong gusto nilang makasal sad sila?

--- well, as a heterosexual, tubaga kuno unsa imong rason nganong gusto kang makasal sa imong hinigugma? Your answer might be exactly the same reason why gays want to get married. They just happen to belong in the same sex. And you let that equation alone confuses your mind without even trying to find out firsthand.

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hofelina · « **Reply #140 on:** January 24, 2010, 12:12:00 AM »

youÂ´re absolutely right Warwick, the main argument here is that the couple will have the same rights as hetero couples and their legal rights and acceptance will regulate their responsibilites to the society.
This is simply a matter of human respect.

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WarWick · « **Reply #141 on:** January 24, 2010, 12:19:10 AM »

youÂ´re absolutely right Warwick, the main argument here is that the couple will have the same rights as hetero couples and their legal rights and acceptance will regulate their responsibilites to the society.
This is simply a matter of human respect.

naigo gyud nimo, Hofelina. bull-s eye. :*

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WarWick · « **Reply #142 on:** January 24, 2010, 12:34:33 AM »

although marriage involves in its definition the concept of sex and eroticism, we should not be stereotypical by assuming that gay people want to get married so they could legalize and justify their intercourse. That's a flawed, prejudiced reasoning.

marriage, as what many of us know, extends its definition farther than sex. It's about love, understanding, acceptance, respect, responsibilities, caring each other, and sharing the beauty of life together.

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david · « **Reply #143 on:** January 24, 2010, 01:20:57 AM »

I won't repeat everything here kay taas na ug libog pa jud. Sa tinuod wa sad ko makasabot ngano gibalibaran o guidili pagsud sa simbahan ang maong kaila/amigo ni David, tungod ba lang kay di kasado sa simbahan. Was there a deeper reason? Like, public rejection of the faith? Or personalan ra ba to sa Kura Paroko? Deri sa amo simbahan maski makasasala o gikan sa laing religion dawaton man ug hatagan ug decent funeral service if they request so. The only one (reason) I know dunay negative provision is one nga miembro sa Mason, kay duna na silay sariling funeral arrangement outside the Catholic Church nga medyo wa mouyon ang simbahan hehehe. What is it I do not really know pod.

pero kadto siya pads nagdako sa pamilyang katoliko, hayaan lang ninyo kay mouli man ko next month mangutana ko unsa pay laing rason, bali kadto siya bilas pod sa akong igsoon nga baje.
pero dihay higayon nga nagpa misa ko sa akong father in law nga namatay nga lain og religion didto sa nederland, unya diha mi sa pinas niadtong panahuna nagbakasyon uban ako misis, gi misahan nila in the name of my father in law, pero sa wa pa sila mo misa nangutana sila (pari) sa palasyo sa (Tagbilaran) og pwede ba nila misahan ang namatay nga lain ug religion...sa ato pa naa pa diay uban pari nga wa kahibawo sa regulasyon kon pwede ba mo officiate og misa para namatay nga lain og religion.(pamisa ra)
sorry out of topic

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chicogon · « **Reply #144 on:** January 24, 2010, 01:26:16 AM »

Let me ask you something people (at least the proponents of gay marriage). Why wouldn't proponents of pet lovers ALSO propose to the powers-that-be that they also legalize marrying their pets (e.g. dogs or cats) because many of them, too, can claim it's beyond sex and erotism? Why can't these people claim "human respect" as the underlying reason? Or use that argument that says "why would a heterosexual would want to marry one from the opposite number?" Why not?

Why would your answer be NO? Is it because we can sense something wrong in what I'm proposing? Is it really wrong? Think about it? Animals are just as good (esp. dogs and cats) as many humanoids (hahaha).

Or is it because it just so happen that it's not YET what we (as a society) consider at this point in our civilization as RIGHT? Meaning, it's not a matter or question of "human respect" or what-have-you but a matter of right or wrong. As far as I know, being gay or having gay relationships (worse yet, gay marriage) is not yet ackowledged as something right... at this point at least. Besides the Bible (and for a moment here just forget the Bible) NONE of this world's societies (maybe a few cities like San Francisco, etc) have acknowledged yet that a gay relationship is something normal or right much as they haven't recognize or shall ever legitimized/legalized a marriage between pet owners and pets... for reasons so obvious.

I have lots of friends who are gays and I respect them and enjoy their company... but I have also a religion (you don't have to belong to the one I am part of, you know) that I espoused , respect and follow to the best of my ability and we have what we call a BIBLE, a book we simply believe (without others to theologize it) as inspired by God that serves as guide to right and proper living. That what I hope people would respect us for... when we simply stand by what we believe as right and proper. If you believe or would like to live your life otherwise, I think the the world is big enough for all of us... you can always find your niche somewhere. And good luck to you on that!

Pero sa pagka karon - when our knowledge and understanding are as imperfect as we are - morag subidaon pa jud nang inyong ge propose nga gay marriage, even if most people already give respect to the gays and even enjoy their presence amongst us. I hope they have already passed the stage nga mahibaw-an sa ilang mga amahan kay aron di unja makulatahan (that's the joke part in this). If there's any consolation, you're always welcomed in my world and circle and laugh it all!!!

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david · « **Reply #145 on:** January 24, 2010, 01:27:27 AM »

ang problema diha sa atoa kay ang mga b***t magbina baje na bastos na kaayo tan-awon, pero diri, di ka kahibawo og b***t ba o tomboy... nederland is the first country that legelize gay marriage

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chicogon · « **Reply #146 on:** January 24, 2010, 01:30:43 AM »

pero kadto siya pads nagdako sa pamilyang katoliko, hayaan lang ninyo kay mouli man ko next month mangutana ko unsa pay laing rason, bali kadto siya bilas pod sa akong igsoon nga baje.
pero dihay higayon nga nagpa misa ko sa akong father in law nga namatay nga lain og religion didto sa nederland, unya diha mi sa pinas niadtong panahuna nagbakasyon uban ako misis, gi misahan nila in the name of my father in law, pero sa wa pa sila mo misa nangutana sila (pari) sa palasyo sa (Tagbilaran) og pwede ba nila misahan ang namatay nga lain ug religion...sa ato pa naa pa diay uban pari nga wa kahibawo sa regulasyon kon pwede ba mo officiate og misa para namatay nga lain og religion.(pamisa ra)
sorry out of topic

The funeral mass or even a memorial mass (walay patay nga lawas) is more so for the ones who are left behind than sa patay nga nahingtungdan. Patay na god na, wa na tay mahimo. But the living... they are the ones who need our moral and prayerful support, our love, our compassion, our company, our prayers, bereavement, etc. Mao nay rason nganong misahan sa patay. Kay pwede man pod walay misa, blessing lang sa patay. Depende sa kustombre o sa preference.

Sa tinuod, blessing raman jud na sa patay... igo na na. And the priest would gladly do it for free. Pero usyoso manang uban, pa misahan jud kay lagi tubong katoliko man. Simply said, instead nga mag nap ang pari, injo mang gipukaw ug pamisahon, aw, mao nang mohatag pod ang hingtungdan ug "stipend" or "honorarium" (morag service fee). Mga doktor, nurse, attorney, counselors, etc ra ba diay kahibawo manginabuhi? (LoL). Plus, they have to maintain the Church, too for spiritual service for the many years to come. Ignorance does not pay!

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david · « **Reply #147 on:** January 24, 2010, 01:39:57 AM »

ok lang unta og nag hikog, unya balibaran nga isod sa simbahan daghan ang mosabot, pero og ang hinungdan nga di ipasod sa simbahan gumikan lang kay wa makasal...daghan galibog og wa kasabot

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ms da binsi · « **Reply #148 on:** January 24, 2010, 02:46:24 AM »

ok lang unta og nag hikog, unya balibaran nga isod sa simbahan daghan ang mosabot, pero og ang hinungdan nga di ipasod sa simbahan gumikan lang kay wa makasal...daghan galibog og wa kasabot

thats BULL***T!

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ms da binsi · « **Reply #149 on:** January 24, 2010, 02:47:29 AM »

--- well, as a heterosexual, tubaga kuno unsa imong rason nganong gusto kang makasal sa imong hinigugma? Your answer might be exactly the same reason why gays want to get married. They just happen to belong in the same sex. And you let that equation alone confuses your mind without even trying to find out firsthand.

*fanned! liked! *

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ms da binsi · « **Reply #150 on:** January 24, 2010, 02:48:45 AM »

although marriage involves in its definition the concept of sex and eroticism, we should not be stereotypical by assuming that gay people want to get married so they could legalize and justify their intercourse. That's a flawed, prejudiced reasoning.

marriage, as what many of us know, extends its definition farther than sex. It's about love, understanding, acceptance, respect, responsibilities, caring each other, and sharing the beauty of life together.

fanned...

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ms da binsi · « **Reply #151 on:** January 24, 2010, 02:57:52 AM »

ako ra jud ma sulti, ug bias gani mo, mo affect jud na sa inyung panerbisyo! i dont know if that would work in your life in the long run! ambut lang jud!

ka plastikan, hypocrisy etc etc!

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ms da binsi · « **Reply #152 on:** January 24, 2010, 03:00:56 AM »

that's true, WarWick, everybody deserves happiness.

too bad, our society is not as simple as it is, where we can just go in and ask what we want or need because we deserve it. like, "i love you, will you marry me?" and there, in split seconds, you have it. for even in the simplest of relationships, acceptance demands time and has to take lots of arguing, making up and letting go. human beings don't grow like other animals. it takes us weeks before we start to walk, and months to talk, years to understand and centuries to form a nation.

however we see this country, the introduction of something not inherent to the culture and norms of this people formed by centuries of religion, conflicts, adaptations, struggles and faith is simply presumptuous. some people should realize we're still a fundamentally heterosexually-oriented community. if this people has to stand against same-sex marriage, it is not to disrespect their orientations as gays and lesbians, or to treat them as disease of the society. it is for me to protect the long-held traditions and institutions of the people, which has been a seminal to their being. i guess this side is where respect should start and not from the other side.

for me it will come. only time can tell. this move should first prove itself as empowering rather than divisive to the fabric of our society. it needs more than education, it needs trust in each other. it should not just point to the vision of happiness; it should also point to the future of mankind and of our future children. good night!

naks! lawom na sad maninglis ni Glacier! hahaha but i do agree!

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chicogon · « **Reply #153 on:** January 24, 2010, 03:01:36 AM »

This is a very imperfect world we live in. Duna tay mga wishes nga dili gyod tingali itugot, ug duna poy mga damgo nga damgo ra gyod kutob. Ahihihi. I wish we can become more loving, compassionate, respectful, just, peaceful, etc (all positive vibes and virtues) and extend loving hands to the less fortunate/powerless when given the opportunity. At the same time counting and thankful for our own blessings... and remain humble like the truly great ones who lived before us.

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jas4 · « **Reply #154 on:** January 24, 2010, 03:03:00 AM »

ok lang unta og nag hikog, unya balibaran nga isod sa simbahan daghan ang mosabot, pero og ang hinungdan nga di ipasod sa simbahan gumikan lang kay wa makasal...daghan galibog og wa kasabot

simple pakitang tao but deep inside their community, naa sad diay to mga tinaguan.

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Raquelproud boholana · « **Reply #155 on:** January 24, 2010, 03:06:51 AM »

Lack ra jud ug pagsabot ang pari nga hingtungdan David.Akong pagtoo ani nag avoid siya ug scandal sa ubang faithful unya nahimo jud nuong scandal ni. He already condemn the person. Lisod tugkaron unsa jud ang hunahuna sa pari nga nagrefuse ug funeral mass.

Naay b***t sa amoa sa isla Pangangan namatay unya karon gidala nila sa simbahan kay pamisahan. Diha jud ko mismo paglalis sa pari ug sa silingan sa b***t nga namatay. Kuwang nalang magsinumbagay ang pari ug ang hingtungdan kay lagi gi refuse pud niya dili misahan. Gibiyaan bitaw na sa mga tawo ang lungon sa sulod sa simbahan kay di man jud misahan lagi ni father. Basta tagbaw ug gukod tong ahong amigo nga altar boy oi kay pabalikon ang mga tawo kay misahan na raman ni Father kay sa mabaho pa nuon didto maoy gidangat.

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ms da binsi · « **Reply #156 on:** January 24, 2010, 03:09:30 AM »

This is a very imperfect world we live in. Duna tay mga wishes nga dili gyod tingali itugot, ug duna poy mga damgo nga damgo ra gyod kutob. Ahihihi. I wish we can become more loving, compassionate, respectful, just, peaceful, etc (all positive vibes and virtues) and extend loving hands to the less fortunate/powerless when given the opportunity. At the same time counting and thankful for our own blessings... and remain humble like the truly great ones who lived before us.

That is why i like you Chicky! you are the one of the most considerate priests/preachers i have ever known. I really really salute you! (dili ni sepsep kay lajo pa ang pasko)

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chicogon · « **Reply #157 on:** January 24, 2010, 03:36:05 AM »

Lack ra jud ug pagsabot ang pari nga hingtungdan David.Akong pagtoo ani nag avoid siya ug scandal sa ubang faithful unya nahimo jud nuong scandal ni. He already condemn the person. Lisod tugkaron unsa jud ang hunahuna sa pari nga nagrefuse ug funeral mass.

Naay b***t sa amoa sa isla Pangangan namatay unya karon gidala nila sa simbahan kay pamisahan. Diha jud ko mismo paglalis sa pari ug sa silingan sa b***t nga namatay. Kuwang nalang magsinumbagay ang pari ug ang hingtungdan kay lagi gi refuse pud niya dili misahan. Gibiyaan bitaw na sa mga tawo ang lungon sa sulod sa simbahan kay di man jud misahan lagi ni father. Basta tagbaw ug gukod tong ahong amigo nga altar boy oi kay pabalikon ang mga tawo kay misahan na raman ni Father kay sa mabaho pa nuon didto maoy gidangat.

Mao nay giingon Raq "if there's a will, there's a way." Fight for what you believe is your right. Sigon ra na sa lalis. Priests are only human and needless to say, imperfect. Sometimes bookish, sometimes stretchably liberal. At times pastoral, at times pod have a mean streak in them like everybody else, hahaha. Sakto ila gibuhat sa imong silingan, Raq, nga gibiyaan ang lungon sa sulod simbahan. Naa baya na sa bibliya. See Luke 11: 5 ff - The Parable Of a Persistent Friend:

And he said to them, â€œWhich of you shall have a friend, and go to him at midnight and say to him, â€˜Friend, lend me three loaves; 6 for a friend of mine has come to me on his journey, and I have nothing to set before himâ€™; 7 and he will answer from within and say, â€˜Do not trouble me; the door is now shut, and my children are with me in bed; I cannot rise and give to youâ€™? 8 I say to you, though he will not rise and give to him because he is his friend, yet because of his persistence he will rise and give him as many as he needs.

9 â€œSo I say to you, ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you. 10 For everyone who asks receives, and he who seeks finds, and to him who knocks it will be opened.

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chicogon · « **Reply #158 on:** January 24, 2010, 03:41:16 AM »

That is why i like you Chicky! you are the one of the most considerate priests/preachers i have ever known. I really really salute you! (dili ni sepsep kay lajo pa ang pasko)

I'm reading Raquel's quote, "We may be surprised at the people we find in heaven. God has a soft spot for sinners. His standards are quite low" (Bishop Desmond Tutu). I sure hope I'll be one of them

Thanks MDB

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #159 on:** January 24, 2010, 04:30:33 AM »

Mao nay giingon Raq "if there's a will, there's a way." Fight for what you believe is your right. Sigon ra na sa lalis. Priests are only human and needless to say, imperfect. Sometimes bookish, sometimes stretchably liberal. At times pastoral, at times pod have a mean streak in them like everybody else, hahaha. Sakto ila gibuhat sa imong silingan, Raq, nga gibiyaan ang lungon sa sulod simbahan. Naa baya na sa bibliya. See Luke 11: 5 ff - The Parable Of a Persistent Friend:

And he said to them, â€œWhich of you shall have a friend, and go to him at midnight and say to him, â€˜Friend, lend me three loaves; 6 for a friend of mine has come to me on his journey, and I have nothing to set before himâ€™; 7 and he will answer from within and say, â€˜Do not trouble me; the door is now shut, and my children are with me in bed; I cannot rise and give to youâ€™? 8 I say to you, though he will not rise and give to him because he is his friend, yet because of his persistence he will rise and give him as many as he needs.

9 â€œSo I say to you, ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you. 10 For everyone who asks receives, and he who seeks finds, and to him who knocks it will be opened.

Powerful message, Fr.

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