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A Near-Death Experience...For Cynics, Agnostics and Believers
« on: October 17, 2009, 08:42:22 AM »
A Story About Near-Death Experience(Mine)

Doctor says near-death experiences are in the mind

By Saundra Young
CNN Senior Medical Producer

NEWTON, Massachusetts (CNN) -- For Laura Geraghty, April 1, 2009, started out just as any other day. It was sunny but cool, she remembers.

The mother of two, also a grandmother, was at her job, driving a school bus for the Newton Public School District in suburban Boston, Massachusetts.

Her passengers, special-needs children, were wheelchair-bound.

Seemingly in good health and in good spirits, Geraghty was finishing up her late-morning run, transporting a student and teacher back to Newton South High School, when she realized she was in trouble.

As she was pulling into the school parking lot, she began having sharp stomach pains. She was able to park her bus, but she kept feeling worse.

The pain "went right up my arm and into my chest, and I said, 'Uh-oh, I'm having a heart attack,' " she said.

The teacher ran from the bus to get help. Newton South's nurse, Gail Kramer, and CPR instructor Michelle Coppola arrived moments later with the school's new automated external defibrillator.

Geraghty, barely conscious, was fading fast. She was weak and having trouble breathing. And then she went into full cardiac arrest.

"Her eyes were wide, and all of a sudden she stopped talking to us," Coppola said. "I grabbed the two pads, stuck them on her, started it up, and I'd say within 20 seconds, she had her first shock."

At that point, Geraghty says, her body died. She remembers watching the scene unfold -- as if from above.

"I floated right out of my body. My body was here, and I just floated away. I looked back at it once, and it was there."

Geraghty says she saw deceased loved ones, her mother and her ex-husband.

"It was very peaceful and light and beautiful. And I remember like, when you see someone you haven't seen in a while, you want to hug them, and I remember trying to reach out to my ex-husband, and he would not take my hand. And then they floated away."

Next, she says, she was overwhelmed by "massive energy, powerful, very powerful energy."

"When that was happening, there were pictures of my son and my daughter and my granddaughter, and every second, their pictures flashed in my mind, and then I came back."

What Geraghty had was a near-death experience, fairly common in people who go into sudden cardiac arrest.

Geraghty was down for 57 minutes. No blood pressure, no pulse, no oxygen, no blood flow. She was shocked 21 times before she finally came back with tales of the afterlife.

According to the Near Death Experience Research Foundation, nearly 800 near-death experiences happen every day in the United States.

Dr. Kevin Nelson, a neurologist in Louisville, Kentucky, studies near-death experiences and says they're not imagined. The explanation, he says, lies in the brain itself.

"These are real experiences. And they're experiences that happen at a time of medical crisis and danger," Nelson said.

Humans have a lot of reflexes that help keep us alive, part of the "fight or flight" response that arises when we're confronted with danger.

Nelson thinks that near-death experiences are part of the dream mechanism and that the person having the experience is in a REM, or "rapid eye movement," state.

"Part of our 'fight or flight' reflexes to keep us alive includes the switch into the REM state of consciousness," he said.

During REM sleep, there is increased brain activity and visual stimulation. Intense dreaming occurs as a result.

And the bright light so many people claim to see?

"The activation of the visual system caused by REM is causing the bright lights," Nelson said.

And the tunnel people speak of, he says, is lack of blood flow to the eye. "The eye, the retina of the eye, is one of the most exquisitely sensitive tissues to a loss of blood flow. So when blood flow does not reach the eye, vision fails, and darkness ensues from the periphery to the center. And that is very likely causing the tunnel effect."

Nelson is doing studies now to prove that the same effect results from fainting.

"The most common cause of near-death experience in my research group is fainting. Upwards of 100 million Americans have fainted. That means probably tens of millions of Americans have had these unusual experiences."

But Geraghty says this was no dream. "I know I went someplace else. I know I went someplace else other then here."

Dr. Bill O'Callahan, the emergency room doctor who shocked her back to life, agrees. "Cynics out there would say and agnostics would say that's phenomenon that comes from a dying brain. I think that's hogwash. I firmly believe that people experience these events."

Bob Schriever, co-founder of the Sudden Cardiac Arrest Association, was refereeing a high school football game seven years ago when he went into cardiac arrest, died and was revived.

He, too, questions the dream explanation. "Why are so many people dreaming the same thing? How can so many people, and there's hundreds of thousands of people who have experienced this, how can we all be dreaming the same thing and describe the exact same thing?"

Schriever says these experiences are so profound that only someone who has gone through them can truly understand.

Seven years later, he is still consumed with his own near-death experience.

"I think about that every morning when I wake up, first thing, during the day, I don't know how many times and every night before I fall asleep. I think about that. People do not understand or appreciate what we go through."

For Geraghty, it's a daily struggle to put the pieces back together again.

"I've been someplace that not everybody can go, and there's not a lot of people you can sit down and have that conversation with," Geraghty said. "My own daughter tells me, 'It's freaky, Mom.' I've literally lost friends over this the minute they hear it."  ;D

Geraghty says she became depressed once she left the hospital because her perspective on her entire life changed. She still gets depressed, she says, and is on medication.

"I actually went to my doctor and said to her, 'I think I'm losing my mind. This can't be really happening,' you know, and she said it's OK, it's very hard to understand when you've been through an experience like that."

Geraghty has joined the cardiac arrest group, hoping that connecting with others who understand what she's been through will allow her to come to terms with what happened to her that cool spring day six months ago. And allow her to heal and move on.

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Re: A Near-Death Experience...For Cynics, Agnostics and Believers
« Reply #1 on: October 17, 2009, 10:25:34 AM »
Glac, naa pod ta ani sa Pilipinas. Sa Cebu.
The story of Stanley Villavicencio. He died
and in 3 days he woke up. A miracle that made
his attending physician left the medical world and
joined priesthood. And now, becomes a priest.
Gotta some link for you:

http://www.near-death.com/forum/nde/000/34.html
http://our.homewithgod.com/divinemercy/miracles/


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KugVm83k_Fw


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Re: A Near-Death Experience...For Cynics, Agnostics and Believers
« Reply #2 on: October 17, 2009, 10:31:49 AM »
do you know the name of the priest, gwargz? kuyawa no.



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« Reply #3 on: October 17, 2009, 10:33:16 AM »
Wa ko kabalo Glac sa name sa priest,
pero sure ko nga ilado kaayo na nga pari
karon. Naa ra pod daw sa Cebu siya
nagserbisyo sa pagka-pari.

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« Reply #4 on: October 17, 2009, 11:48:43 AM »
I google ang NDE daghan kaayo ni nga story ug makapausob gyud sa atong faith nga nag exist gyud diay ang heaven ug hell.Ganahan ko mobasa aning NDE hell.I recommend nga basahon gyud ni ila story.

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« Reply #6 on: October 17, 2009, 12:51:42 PM »
Glac, naa pod ta ani sa Pilipinas. Sa Cebu.
The story of Stanley Villavicencio. He died
and in 3 days he woke up. A miracle that made
his attending physician left the medical world and
joined priesthood. And now, becomes a priest.


gikan ko sa among choir praktis for the concert this sunday...mejo ka tagay pud og redwine...kauban pud namo ang pari, sharing human sa praktis...

1st. thanks to gwargs for bringing this up; i've also met brod stanley...ka attend ko sa iyang talk/session diri sa merika, and he is a devoted follower of the Divine Mercy...indeed it was a miracle for him to be alive....everything of his ordeal is documented in the hospital...my hats off to this blessed guy..imagine he is not really a trained  linguist but when he went to other countries like china and even met the pope, he spoke in bisaya but his audience seemed like they heard him in their own language...the chinese audience understood him like he was speaking in their chinese native tongue....as well as when pope john paul and bishops met him in the vatican.

2. ang kauban namo nga pari ganiha human sa singing praktis nag share pud og miraculous event nga na witness nya, just wanna share it to y'all before i go to sleep...
when he was assigned as an asst priest in capiz, na witness nya ang ijang kauban nga pari sa misa human ijang gibayaw ang chalice with wine pag abot sa ubos, unsa man nga ang wine na puti man og nahimong morag tibogol nga hostea (bread)...na shock sya wa sya ka lihok og na humong ang misa, gipatawag nya ijang kauban nga duha ka pari...isa ani ang among pari nga nag share anih, ang ijang nakita puti jud ang naa sa sulod sa kopita, morag hostea nga tinapay....

sa laktod nga pagkasulti, gi tago nila ang kopita sa tabernacle og gi patawag ang obispo...advise sa obispo nga ipakaon tung hostea sa mismong pari...

kamo na bahala mag interpret pero ang punto nga...God works in mysterious ways :)

gudnyt my dear friends.... :)

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« Reply #7 on: October 17, 2009, 11:27:46 PM »
thanks gwargz for this interesting thread.  jamz,  nice shared thoughts...goodnyt and have a meraculous days

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« Reply #8 on: October 17, 2009, 11:28:16 PM »
gikan ko sa among choir praktis for the concert this sunday...mejo ka tagay pud og redwine...kauban pud namo ang pari, sharing human sa praktis...


2. ang kauban namo nga pari ganiha human sa singing praktis nag share pud og miraculous event nga na witness nya, just wanna share it to y'all before i go to sleep...
when he was assigned as an asst priest in capiz, na witness nya ang ijang kauban nga pari sa misa human ijang gibayaw ang chalice with wine pag abot sa ubos, unsa man nga ang wine na puti man og nahimong morag tibogol nga hostea (bread)...na shock sya wa sya ka lihok og na humong ang misa, gipatawag nya ijang kauban nga duha ka pari...isa ani ang among pari nga nag share anih, ang ijang nakita puti jud ang naa sa sulod sa kopita, morag hostea nga tinapay....

sa laktod nga pagkasulti, gi tago nila ang kopita sa tabernacle og gi patawag ang obispo...advise sa obispo nga ipakaon tung hostea sa mismong pari...

kamo na bahala mag interpret pero ang punto nga...God works in mysterious ways :)

gudnyt my dear friends.... :)

wow...they should have it documented, at least, and make it as tool for evangelization.



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« Reply #9 on: October 17, 2009, 11:39:13 PM »
thanks gwargz for this interesting thread.  jamz,  nice shared thoughts...goodnyt and have a meraculous days
morning na bamz :) gabii pa na naho gisuwat mejo tipsy pah...

seriously, try to read the links gwargs has given about brod Stanley, kuyaw sab og storya...talagsa lng ni ing-ani...simple pud kaajo na sija, ka tshirt lng hatag og talk niya dri...gi kumusta jud naho na human sa ijang sharing, may na lng ma piskan ko sa ijang grasya :)

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« Reply #10 on: October 17, 2009, 11:41:56 PM »
wow...they should have it documented, at least, and make it as tool for evangelization.


mao pud among kukabildo gabii...wa unta pakaon sa pari to...gi preserve unta...talagsa lng jud na mahitabo, pero naa na pud dw ubang similar incidents parehas ana nga ang 'bread' human sa consecration sa misa, nigawas ang dugo gikan mismo sa tinapay.

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« Reply #11 on: October 17, 2009, 11:52:45 PM »
mao pud among kukabildo gabii...wa unta pakaon sa pari to...gi preserve unta...talagsa lng jud na mahitabo, pero naa na pud dw ubang similar incidents parehas ana nga ang 'bread' human sa consecration sa misa, nigawas ang dugo gikan mismo sa tinapay.

 i heard it too. usa sa pinaka-popular kadtong sa Eucharistic Miracle sa Lanciano.

kining nahitabo sa Capiz, first time ni tingali na nahitabo sa ato. which, for me, is a good sign. i understand the bishop's decision...kay kung naa man lagi poy ingon ana, naa tay tendency nga mag-hysteria ang mga tawo o ma-fanatic pa nang uban. there's danger too of "profiteering"--kabawo na ta sa atoa or anywhere--which could lose the real spirit of the "miracle". IMO.

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« Reply #12 on: October 18, 2009, 01:51:41 AM »
wow nahan jud kog ani nga issue or story, maka pa ulbo sa akong kaspa ! chure pa -tnx,

just recently ive watched in TV docu. about REM

in contrast to that , ive heard the incident in Austria "he was proclaimed dead"
but he stood up after 3 days, whew ! maka pa libon sa kalbo ::) 8)

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« Reply #13 on: October 18, 2009, 04:58:18 AM »
My response:


NDE can be a cognitive post-traumatic response to hypoxic injury to the CNS (central nervous system) and due to the decreased blood flow and oxygen to the CNS and the various integral structures within the brain system--can lead to reflex tachycardia, and within oxygen damage from free radicals to the brain--which can lead to the over-production of serotonin (which explains the ethereal feeling effect/ floating feeling) and psychosis due to dopaminergic stimulation.

I am quite leery and cautious in reading such experiences. Though one cannot help but wonder and ponder.

We die only once. We are called only once. Once called--there is no return to the body. For the soul will immediately rise to the heavens to be judged by the Lord God of Hosts.

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« Reply #14 on: October 18, 2009, 05:00:32 AM »
Hebrews 9:27
"... it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:"

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« Reply #15 on: October 19, 2009, 11:07:46 AM »

i treat such experiences as portals of the soul--life is too mysterious to be contained by the finite mind of humans. this is one of the remaining mysteries that makes life even more wonderful.

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« Reply #16 on: October 20, 2009, 11:20:14 AM »
The Lord sometimes extends  one's life
 for a reason, to make it known that
 He is in control of everything including
  the breath of life.
 

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« Reply #17 on: October 20, 2009, 11:22:10 AM »
The Lord sometimes extends  one's life
 for a reason, to make it known that
 He is in control of everything including
  the breath of life.
 

how profound, states. indeed, there is.

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« Reply #18 on: October 21, 2009, 12:28:58 AM »
The Lord sometimes extends  one's life
 for a reason, to make it known that
 He is in control of everything including
  the breath of life.
 

Good point.

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« Reply #19 on: October 21, 2009, 12:41:42 AM »
We have come to see many unexplainable factors and patient outcomes in the hospital floor, from observation alone. We have come into consideration and compliance that the human body, in itself, is a sensitive automon, with delicate tolerance in consideration to maintenance of homeostasis: neural, cardiovascular, lymph, reproductive, genito-urinary etc. When the balance is transgressed, and when the threshold of tolerance is expediated, there will be manifest of perplexities of bodily reaction to stress (intrinsic and/or extrinsic).

The manifest of CNS involvement: neurosis, psychosis, etc, will manifest due to change in blood supply to the CNS and cerebral structures that are responsible for sensory stimulation and perception of stimuli. To the thought of floating, the feeling of contentedness (which is nothing more than over-stimulation of serotinonin and endorphins).

It is in these matters that medicine and faith collide and intertwine, if one can even consider it.

The Lord works wonderfully through science and natural law, which He has ordained manifest through Creation.

He follows Laws that have been breathed into accordance through His very own mouth, which He compels to complete the purposes that He Himself Wills it to until the purpose that it was sent for--is complete. And returns back to Him.



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« Reply #20 on: October 21, 2009, 01:02:10 AM »
I must admit, however, I do find reading personal experiences regarding NDE quite inspiring. Good to read about it.

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« Reply #21 on: October 21, 2009, 06:16:36 AM »
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I was working on a construction job in Puerto Rico. It was 1967. I was 17 years old. I contracted a severe case of gastroenteritis and was unable to afford proper medical care. I went to a clinic, got a bottle of pills, and went back to the room where I lived. To put it mildly, I had the most severe diarrhea you can imagine. I was losing water at this fantastic rate, just going to the bathroom all the time. The woman who ran the rooming house was good enough to bring me water, but basically I ate nothing. Oh man, I was SICK! I was getting weaker and weaker.

On the eighth day of this misery, I seemed to just float right up out of my body.

So, I'm looking down at my body lying in the bed still as a corpse, and I said, "Oh, &$#@*!  I've died!!" I was basically unnerved by this. But in the next second, I thought to myself, "Hey, if I'm dead, who is thinking these thoughts??"

So, then I felt calm and very good, thinking, "Well this sure beats being sick as a dog. This is quite okay."

So, I'm floating in the room, right? And its daytime. Outside there was a church (this was in Rio Piedras, Puerto Rico, near the University) and the bells started ringing. This was normal. I had a strong urge to go check it out so I floated out of the window.

Outside it was blindingly bright. Whoa! It was SO BRIGHT. In a word, it was hard to see. Don't ask, "See with what?," because I don't have a clue. My eyes being back in my body. But I could see the church steeple and made a circuit of it.

At this point I'm feeling very exhilarated. I'm flying around free of my body! And two things really hit me at that moment. First, the body isn't ME. It's just a body. Second, the whole heaven and hell thing is nonsense. We all just float off peacefully because the spirit endures. So that was a great thing to know.

At last though, some part of me got lonely for my body and I went back inside. I sort of lay down in my body and slept. The next thing I knew, the illness had broken and I was recovering.

Now, as a result of this experience, I came to think that the spirit endures and we go off peacefully. This idea I have had ever since, deep down.

I do accept the idea it could be a hallucination of some sort; but, it seemed very genuine. So, on the real significance of near-death experiences, I just don't know. But I've not feared death, per se, during my life for which I am very grateful.

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Re: A Near-Death Experience...For Cynics, Agnostics and Believers
« Reply #22 on: October 21, 2009, 09:36:36 AM »
Some people are just more imaginative than others. Daghang hapit mamatay pero wa juy ikasugilon inig maulian na. (Naa puy uban nga dakong buhi pero maajong mo-imbentog NDEs.)

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Re: A Near-Death Experience...For Cynics, Agnostics and Believers
« Reply #23 on: October 24, 2009, 05:23:22 AM »
pero i wonder jud, kadto sa austria nga nag vigil na sila 3 days, ipabalsamar daw sa govt. ky ala man na sa ilaha but ning insist ang wify nga dli jud ky mag vilar lang sila, unya na noktok sa longon unya mibakod, can U imagine dat?

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« Reply #24 on: October 24, 2009, 07:20:41 AM »
pero i wonder jud, kadto sa austria nga nag vigil na sila 3 days, ipabalsamar daw sa govt. ky ala man na sa ilaha but ning insist ang wify nga dli jud ky mag vilar lang sila, unya na noktok sa longon unya mibakod, can U imagine dat?

My imagination is poor, so I can't. ;D

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Re: A Near-Death Experience...For Cynics, Agnostics and Believers
« Reply #25 on: October 24, 2009, 09:07:05 AM »
wla pod ko kakits, story telling rah hmn

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