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How the term THIRD WORLD came about
« on: July 29, 2011, 09:48:28 AM »
The term Third World is a Cold War term.  It was used to refer to countries that have not aligned with either Soviet Russia (Second World or Eastern Bloc, along with its allies) or the United States of America (First World or Western Bloc, along with its allies).  So it was more of a geopolitical term than an economic one.  

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Re: How the term THIRD WORLD came about
« Reply #1 on: July 29, 2011, 10:03:36 AM »
The Western Bloc or Capitalist Bloc during the Cold War refers to the powers allied with the United States and NATO against the Soviet Union and the Warsaw Pact.  The latter were referred to as the Eastern Bloc, a more common term in English than Western Bloc, because the governments and press of the Western Bloc were more inclined to refer to themselves as the "Free World".  (wiki)



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Re: How the term THIRD WORLD came about
« Reply #2 on: July 29, 2011, 10:07:01 AM »
The Eastern Bloc refers to the former communist states of Eastern and Central Europe, especially the Soviet Union and its satellites in the Warsaw Pact. (wiki)

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Re: How the term THIRD WORLD came about
« Reply #3 on: July 29, 2011, 10:17:19 AM »
the three worlds as they were separated during the cold war:



                                          blue - first world; red - second world; green - third world

the philippines is colored green.

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Re: How the term THIRD WORLD came about
« Reply #4 on: July 29, 2011, 10:19:53 AM »
thus, during the cold war:

First World: the United States and its allies
Second World: the Soviet Union, China and their allies
Third World: neutral and non-aligned countries

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Re: How the term THIRD WORLD came about
« Reply #5 on: July 29, 2011, 10:26:55 AM »
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The Three Worlds Theory developed by Chinese Communist leader Mao Zedong (1893–1976) posited that international relations comprise three politico–economic worlds: the First World, the superpowers, the Second World, the superpowers' allies, and the Third World, the nations of the Non-Aligned Movement.

Notably, Chairman Mao included the US and the Soviet Union in the First World group of countries.  In 1974, then Chinese Vice-Premier Deng Xiaoping (1904–97), explained the Three Worlds Theory in a speech to the United Nations, explaining the politico-economic alliances of the People's Republic of China with Right-wing, reactionary governments in the late 1970s and the 1980s.

The Three Worlds Theory developed by Mao Zedong was different from the Western theory of the Three Worlds.  The Western theory said that the First World was the United States and its allies, the Second World was the Soviet Union and its allies, and the Third World was the neutral and nonaligned countries.

Some anti-revisionist political parties and organizations were disillusioned by the Three Worlds Theory.  Subsequently, in Albania, Enver Hoxha (1908–85), leader of the Party of Labour of Albania, posited an ideological alternative, opposed to both the Three Worlds Theory and to the Communist Party of the Soviet Union’s stance.  This led to the Sino-Albanian split among communist parties previously aligned with China and Albania.


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Re: How the term THIRD WORLD came about
« Reply #6 on: July 29, 2011, 10:41:48 AM »
Worlds within the World?

The First, the Second, and the Third World

When people talk about the poorest countries of the world, they often refer to them with the general term Third World, and they think everybody knows what they are talking about.  But when you ask them if there is a Third World, what about a Second or a First World, you almost always get an evasive answer. 

Other people even try to use the terms as a ranking scheme for the state of development of countries, with the First World on top, followed by the Second World and so on.  That's perfect nonsense.

To close the gap of information you will find here explanations of the terms.

The use of the terms First, the Second, and the Third World is a rough, and it's safe to say, outdated model of the geopolitical world from the time of the Cold War.

There is no official definition of the First, Second, and the Third World.


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Re: How the term THIRD WORLD came about
« Reply #7 on: July 29, 2011, 10:46:30 AM »
Four worlds

After World War II the world split into two large geopolitical blocs and spheres of influence with contrary views on government and the politically correct society:

1 - The bloc of democratic-industrial countries within the American influence sphere, the "First World".
2 - The Eastern bloc of the communist-socialist states, the "Second World".
3 - The remaining three-quarters of the world's population, states not aligned with either bloc were regarded as the "Third
     World."
4 - The term "Fourth World", coined in the early 1970s by Shuswap Chief George Manuel, refers to widely unknown nations
     (cultural entities) of indigenous peoples, "First Nations" living within or across national state boundaries.

First there was the three worlds model

The origin of the terminology is unclear.  In 1952 Alfred Sauvy, a French demographer, wrote an article in the French magazine L'Observateur which ended by comparing the Third World with the Third Estate: "ce Tiers Monde ignoré, exploité, méprisé comme le Tiers État" (this ignored Third World, exploited, scorned like the Third Estate).  Other sources claim that Charles de Gaulle coined the term Third World, or maybe de Gaulle only has quoted Sauvy.


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Re: How the term THIRD WORLD came about
« Reply #8 on: July 29, 2011, 11:03:28 AM »
Definitions

The term "First World" refers to the so-called developed, capitalist, industrial countries, roughly, a bloc of countries aligned with the United States after World War II, with more or less common political and economic interests: North America, Western Europe, Japan and Australia.

The Cold War First World countries; capitalist and industrialized:  Austria, Australia, Belgium, Canada, Denmark, France,   Germany (West), Greece, Iceland, Ireland, Israel, Italy, Japan, Korea (South), Luxembourg, Netherlands, New Zealand, Norway, Portugal, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland, Turkey, United Kingdom, USA


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Re: How the term THIRD WORLD came about
« Reply #9 on: July 29, 2011, 11:10:12 AM »
Thanks for the info, Miss Isle. Next assignment: how the term FIFTH DIMENSION came about. Ajaw na tong 6TH SENSE kay bag-o pato gigam-ag sine ajejejeje  ;D



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« Reply #10 on: July 29, 2011, 11:41:15 AM »
He he, way paki ani ang tua na manimuyo sa seventh heaven... ;D

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« Reply #11 on: July 29, 2011, 12:00:16 PM »
Mas samot siguro ang tua magpirme sa Cloud 9. ???

He he, way paki ani ang tua na manimuyo sa seventh heaven... ;D

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« Reply #12 on: July 29, 2011, 02:03:25 PM »
Mas samot siguro ang tua magpirme sa Cloud 9. ???

Hmm, ngano kahang tua man didto? Tungod ba kaha kay pirme lang threescore and nine?

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Re: How the term THIRD WORLD came about
« Reply #13 on: August 01, 2011, 11:03:04 AM »
Thanks for the info, Miss Isle. Next assignment: how the term FIFTH DIMENSION came about. Ajaw na tong 6TH SENSE kay bag-o pato gigam-ag sine ajejejeje  ;D

nakutaw ang akong curiosity ani, fr chic.  di ni nako paikyason, puslan man nga type nako ang trivia. ;D  i researched so i will know a bit...

the 5th dimension is primarily a term for theoretical physics.

"In physics, the fifth dimension is a hypothetical extra dimension beyond the usual three spatial dimensions and one time dimension of Relativity."  (wiki)

this will do at the moment.  it can already be understood in a way.  wa ni nako tiwasa ang taas-taas nga definition kay morag di na inenglis; labaw pang di bisaya, hehe.  

(for those interested in theoretical physics whose dimensions are defined further by more theories, please go to:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five-dimensional_space)  





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Re: How the term THIRD WORLD came about
« Reply #14 on: August 01, 2011, 02:06:51 PM »
"In physics, the fifth dimension is a hypothetical extra dimension beyond the usual three spatial dimensions and one time dimension of Relativity."  (wiki)

i understand this as: the world as we know it is three-dimensional (the 3 space dimensions, that's why we're not flat or two-dimensional like a movie); the fourth dimension is time.  ???  hehe.

from a current popular lady physicist:

We believe there should be a single theory that works over all regimes.  String theory does that, but only in a universe that has more than three dimensions of space.  More generally, there’s stuff we don’t understand if there are only three dimensions of space, and some of those questions seem to have answers if there are extra dimensions.  Also, no fundamental physical theory singles out three dimensions of space.  The theory of gravity allows any number.  So it’s logical to think what the world would look like if extra dimensions are there.

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Re: How the term THIRD WORLD came about
« Reply #15 on: August 01, 2011, 02:14:36 PM »
so there, we have the first four dimensions.  now comes the fifth dimension.  (unfortunately, the theories on dimensions number up to 11, and i could not even find all their names!)

these days, the fifth dimension is still a theory (and so are the sixth to eleventh).  thus:

The problem with detecting the fifth dimension (or the sixth, seventh, and so on) is that our bodies are built to measure only the three old-fashioned spatial dimensions, plus time as a fourth dimension.

Scientists have been hoping that at least one of the extra dimensions might be rolled up in such a way that its influence could be seen by measuring gravity's pull on a scale of, say, a millimeter or less.  So far, no anomalies have been officially reported, although there have been occasional blips that are likely due to tiny experimental errors rather than the fifth dimension.

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« Reply #16 on: August 01, 2011, 02:24:47 PM »
more "fifth dimension", this time in popular culture:

In popular usage, the "fifth dimension" is often used to refer to unexplored or unknown aspects of the universe, and not necessarily to the mathematical concept of a 5-dimensional space.  For example, in the fictitious universe of DC Comics, the "fifth dimension" is said to be the place from which Mister Mxyzptlk comes.

In 1966, The Byrds released an album titled Fifth Dimension, using the fifth dimension as a metaphor for unexplored and unknown aspects of the universe and oneself.

The 5th Dimension is the name of an American vocal music group popular in the late 1960s and early 1970s.

In Hindu philosophy, the fifth dimension of love of the Divine is termed by the Gaudiya Vaisnavas as turyatita, the dimension of the soul's Soul.


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« Reply #17 on: August 01, 2011, 02:37:49 PM »

Album: Fifth Dimension
Artist (Band): The Byrds
Date: 07/18/1966

paskang dugaja na.  wa pa matawo si fr chic, hubag ug bugsay...

OT:  unfortunately (for me), the only two songs of the byrds that i have (because i couldn't care about their other songs), are "hey, mr. tambourine man" and "turn, turn, turn", and both are not in this album.  the byrds' "hey, mr. tambourine man" is much, much better than that of the original and composer (bob dylan, with due respect to his royal rasps).  "turn, turn, turn" is but the ecclesiastes.  great song, this one.  i like both the byrds' and the lettermen's versions.

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« Reply #18 on: August 01, 2011, 02:50:46 PM »


The 5th Dimension is an American popular music vocal group whose repertoire includes pop, R&B, soul, and jazz.

The band was best-known during the late 1960s and early 1970s for popularizing the hits "Up, Up and Away", "Wedding Bell Blues", "Stoned Soul Picnic", "One Less Bell to Answer", "(Last Night) I Didn't Get to Sleep at All", and "Aquarius/Let the Sunshine In", as well as the eponymous 5th Dimension and The Magic Garden LP recordings. (wiki)


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« Reply #19 on: August 01, 2011, 10:02:32 PM »
Thanks for the info, Miss Isle. Next assignment: how the term FIFTH DIMENSION came about. Ajaw na tong 6TH SENSE kay bag-o pato gigam-ag sine ajejejeje  ;D

sadsad gihapon ko sa sixth sense kay ulitawo na man tingali si cole sear (aka haley joel osment)...

sixth sense is extrasensory perception (esp), that which is beyond the perception of the five senses.  it could be a hunch or an intuition that may foretell the future, though not everyone believes in this.  an example:

Alex, a university colleague, was cleaning his double-action, six-shot revolver in preparation for a hunting trip later in the month. In this pistol, when the trigger is pulled the hammer is cocked, the cylinder revolves, and the hammer falls on the next chamber, all in one smooth motion.  For safety's sake, Alex normally kept five bullets in the revolver, with the hammer resting on the sixth, empty chamber.

Before cleaning the gun, he removed the five bullets and set them aside.  When finished cleaning, he began to put the bullets back in the cylinder. When he arrived at the fifth and final bullet, he suddenly got a distinct sense of dread.  It had something to do with that bullet.

Alex was bothered about the odd feeling because nothing like it had ever happened to him before.  He decided to trust his gut, so he put the bullet aside and positioned the pistol's hammer as usual over the sixth chamber.  The chamber next to it, which normally held the fifth bullet, was now also empty.

Two weeks later, Alex was at a hunting lodge with his fiancee and her parents.  That evening, unexpectedly, a violent argument broke out between the parents.  Alex tried to calm them down, but the father, in an insane rage, grabbed Alex's gun, which had been in a drawer, and pointed it at his wife.

Alex tried to intervene by jumping between the gun and the woman, but he was too late—the trigger was already being pulled. For a horrifying split second, Alex knew that he was about to get shot at point-blank range.  But instead of a sudden, gruesome death, the pistol went "click."  The cylinder had revolved to an empty chamber—the very chamber that would have contained the fifth bullet if Alex had not set it aside two weeks earlier.


excerpts from Is There A Sixth Sense?, http://www.psychologytoday.com/


 

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Re: How the term THIRD WORLD came about
« Reply #20 on: August 02, 2011, 01:25:45 AM »
thanks for the info about "how the term 3rd world came about", ms isles. naa nakoy ipangdebate sa ako bana,hehehe.

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« Reply #21 on: August 02, 2011, 11:50:58 AM »
thanks for the info about "how the term 3rd world came about", ms isles. naa nakoy ipangdebate sa ako bana,hehehe.

most welcome, lums.  if you may, ingna imong lalab nga di na uso ang third world term kay pang-cold war era pa na, cold peace na god ta karon, hehehe. ;D

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« Reply #22 on: August 02, 2011, 12:09:10 PM »
Thanks for the info, Miss Isle. Next assignment: how the term FIFTH DIMENSION came about. Ajaw na tong 6TH SENSE kay bag-o pato gigam-ag sine ajejejeje  ;D

more on the sixth sense:

Extrasensory perception (ESP) involves reception of information not gained through the recognized physical senses but sensed with the mind. 

The term was coined by Richard Francis Burton and adopted by Duke University psychologist J. B. Rhine to denote psychic abilities such as telepathy, clairaudience, and clairvoyance, and their trans-temporal operation as precognition or retrocognition. 

ESP is also sometimes casually referred to as a sixth sense, gut instinct or hunch, which are historical English idioms. The term implies acquisition of information by means external to the basic limiting assumptions of science, such as that organisms can only receive information from the past to the present.

Parapsychology is the scientific study of paranormal psychic phenomena, including ESP.  Parapsychologists generally regard such tests as the Ganzfeld Experiment as providing compelling evidence for the existence of ESP. 

The scientific community rejects ESP due to the absence of an evidence base, the lack of a theory which would explain ESP, and the lack of experimental techniques which can provide reliably positive results.


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« Reply #23 on: August 02, 2011, 12:15:11 PM »
He he, way paki ani ang tua na manimuyo sa seventh heaven... ;D

Seven Heavens is a part of cosmology found in many major religions such as Judaism, Islam and Hinduism and in some minor religions such as Hermeticism and Gnosticism.  The Divine Throne is said to be in or above the seventh heaven in most Abrahamic religions.

The number 7 in Biblical references symbolically represented perfect completion, as in the seven-day week, the seven eyes and horns seen on the Lamb of God in The Book of Revelation, and the seventh in the generations of Adam: Lamech who was completely wicked, and Enoch who walked with God.  The number also has a significance in Quranic numerology.


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« Reply #24 on: August 02, 2011, 12:21:37 PM »
in judaism, the seven heavens have names.

According to Jewish teachings in the Talmud, the universe is made of seven heavens (Shamayim) as below:

1.   Vilon (Isa 40:22); also called "arafel"
2.   Raki'a (Gen 1:17)
3.   Shehaqim (Ps 78:23, Midr. Teh. to Ps. xix. 7)
4.   Zebul (Isa 63:15, I Kings 8:13)
5.   Ma'on (Deut 26:15, Ps 42:9)
6.   Machon (1 Kings 7:30, Deut 28:12)
7.   Araboth, the Seventh Heaven where ofanim, the seraphim, and the hayyoth and the throne of the Lord are located.


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« Reply #25 on: August 02, 2011, 12:26:56 PM »
Salamat Ms Isle ngakalingaw kag research2x diha duna mi kalingawag basa-basa...  ;)



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« Reply #26 on: August 02, 2011, 12:28:03 PM »
so does islam have names for the seven heavens.

According to Shi'ite sources, a hadith from Imam Ali mentions the name of the seven heavens as mentioned below:

1.   Rafi' (the lowest heaven)
2.   Qaydum
3.   Marum
4.   Arfalun
5.   Hay'oun
6.    Arous
7.   Ajma'


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« Reply #27 on: August 02, 2011, 12:31:05 PM »
Hehehe interesting. Araboth, the realm of heaven where The Lord God (JEHOVAH) is supposed to be located, was the target of the Rebellious Angelic Army. Lucifer, the leader of the Rebellious Angelic Army (1/3rd of the Angelic Hosts), claimed that he would usurp the throne of God and rise over the Divine Mountain.

Even before Lucifer, then the strongest Angel in Heaven, could finish his loud boast, he was pummeled out of Heaven by God Almighty.



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« Reply #28 on: August 02, 2011, 12:33:04 PM »
so does islam have names for the seven heavens.

According to Shi'ite sources, a hadith from Imam Ali mentions the name of the seven heavens as mentioned below:

1.   Rafi' (the lowest heaven)
2.   Qaydum
3.   Marum
4.   Arfalun
5.   Hay'oun
6.    Arous
7.   Ajma'


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Isles, so the Shi'i believe this, but what about the Sunni?
Do they concur with their Shi'i brothers in Islam?

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« Reply #29 on: August 02, 2011, 12:34:59 PM »
Salamat Ms Isle ngakalingaw kag research2x diha duna mi kalingawag basa-basa...  ;)

way sapajan, fr chic.  trying hard kog simplify aron ko makasabot; makabuang pod baya ang manenglis aning ubang contributors sa wiki, that's why i check and countercheck with other sources.  (nagka-improve gyod hinoon ning wiki, much to my joy.  it saves me the neck pains of lugging encyclopedias nga may puruhan pang kuskuson ang pages sa akong mga iring kun makalimtan nakog hipos from the table. ;D)

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« Reply #30 on: August 02, 2011, 12:44:08 PM »
Isles, so the Shi'i believe this, but what about the Sunni?
Do they concur with their Shi'i brothers in Islam?

give me time to look for that (if you have no time to help me, hehe.)  aahhh, found it in time, slow internet connection and all (i must be in the first heaven)...

Sunni sources record Muhammad visited each of the seven heavens on his Mi'raj.  There he met Adam, Jesus Christ and John the Baptist, Joseph, Idris (considered by most scholars to be Enoch), Aaron, Moses and Abraham in the first to the seventh heaven in the mentioned order.  He made the travels to ultimately meet God and The Divine Throne above the heavens.*

n.b. it looks like the divine throne is beyond the seven heavens for the sunni.


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« Reply #31 on: August 02, 2011, 12:55:27 PM »
christian, specifically catholic belief, in my understanding does not include seven heavens; it settles for a heaven in its entirety.  thus, it is the only one of three abrahamic religions that does not consider levels of heaven.  (paging, fr chic, for theological imprimatur and nihil obstat. ;D)

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« Reply #32 on: August 02, 2011, 01:02:12 PM »
Hinduism also has the concept of seven heavens.  According to the Puranas and the Atharvaveda, there are fourteen worlds. There are the seven higher ones (the heavens), called the Vyahritis.   

1.   Bhoor-Loka (i.e. the Earth)
2.   Bhuvar-Loka
3.   Svar-Loka
4.   Mahar-Loka
5.   Jana-Loka
6.   Tapa-Loka
7.   Satya-loka

The god Brahma lives in the seventh heaven, Satya Loka.


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« Reply #33 on: August 02, 2011, 01:04:53 PM »
so there, we have the first four dimensions.  now comes the fifth dimension.  (unfortunately, the theories on dimensions number up to 11, and i could not even find all their names!)

these days, the fifth dimension is still a theory (and so are the sixth to eleventh).  thus:

The problem with detecting the fifth dimension (or the sixth, seventh, and so on) is that our bodies are built to measure only the three old-fashioned spatial dimensions, plus time as a fourth dimension.

Scientists have been hoping that at least one of the extra dimensions might be rolled up in such a way that its influence could be seen by measuring gravity's pull on a scale of, say, a millimeter or less.  So far, no anomalies have been officially reported, although there have been occasional blips that are likely due to tiny experimental errors rather than the fifth dimension.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13070896/

Hmm, we can relate this to the number of senses...


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Senses are the physiological capacities within organisms that provide inputs for perception. The senses and their operation, classification, and theory are overlapping topics studied by a variety of fields, most notably neuroscience, cognitive psychology (or cognitive science), and philosophy of perception. The nervous system has a specific sensory system or organ, dedicated to each sense.

Human beings have a multitude of senses. In addition to the traditionally recognized five senses of sight (ophthalmoception), hearing (audioception), taste (gustaoception), smell (olfacoception or olfacception), and touch (tactioception), other senses include temperature (thermoception), kinesthetic sense (proprioception), pain (nociception), balance (equilibrioception) and acceleration (kinesthesioception). What constitutes a sense is a matter of some debate, leading to difficulties in defining what exactly a sense is.

Non-human animals also have receptors to sense the world around them, with degrees of capability varying greatly between species. Humans have a comparatively weak sense of smell, whilst other species may lack one or more of the traditional five senses. Other species may also intake and interpret senses in very different ways. Some species of animals are able to sense the world in a way that humans cannot, with some species able to sense electrical and magnetic fields, and detect water pressure and currents.


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« Reply #34 on: August 02, 2011, 01:08:36 PM »
There are between nine and twenty-one human senses, depending on who you ask, and how they define a sense. It is generally agreed that nine is the minimum. These are touch, taste, smell, sight, hearing, thermoception, nociception, equilibrioception, and proprioception. Hunger and thirst are also sometimes included. Generally, for something to qualify as a sense requires a free-standing sense organ associated with it. A sensory apparatus' primary source of information should be force data originating from outside the brain.

Thought or intuition is sometimes included as a sense, but this is incorrect. Human thoughts do not take data directly from reality, but rather from the confluence of sensory organs with which they are connected. Sometimes senses are perceived concurrently with each other, for example sounds that have colors associated with them. This phenomenon is called synesthesia, and is relatively rare, though often reported under the influence of hallucinogens or psychedelics.


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Re: How the term THIRD WORLD came about
« Reply #35 on: August 02, 2011, 01:17:48 PM »
Mas samot siguro ang tua magpirme sa Cloud 9. ???

the best that i could find on cloud nine, aside from this


On cloud nine means in a state of blissful happiness

Origin

Whenever a phrase includes a number, like the whole nine yards, at sixes and sevens etc., then attempts to find its derivation usually focus on the number.  'On cloud nine' is no exception. 

A commonly heard explanation is that the expression originated as one of the classifications of cloud which were defined by the US Weather Bureau in the 1950s, in which 'Cloud Nine' denotes the fluffy cumulonimbus type that are considered so attractive.

Another explanation is that the phrase derives from Buddhism and that Cloud Nine is one of the stages of the progress to enlightenment of a Bodhisattva (one destined to become a Buddha).

Neither of these explanations holds water.  To begin with, both the cloud classifications and the Buddhist stages to enlightenment have ten levels.  To single out the last but one stage of either is rather like attributing the source of the 'whole nine yards' to American Football, where it is ten yards rather than nine that is a significant measure.  Also, the fact that nine is far from the only number that has been linked with clouds, argues against those origins.  Early examples of 'cloud' expressions include clouds seven, eight, nine and even thirty-nine.*

whew!  syalan ba diay, kadaghan ba diay ug cloud ranking.


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« Reply #36 on: August 02, 2011, 01:31:13 PM »
Seven Heavens is a part of cosmology found in many major religions such as Judaism, Islam and Hinduism and in some minor religions such as Hermeticism and Gnosticism.  The Divine Throne is said to be in or above the seventh heaven in most Abrahamic religions.

The number 7 in Biblical references symbolically represented perfect completion, as in the seven-day week, the seven eyes and horns seen on the Lamb of God in The Book of Revelation, and the seventh in the generations of Adam: Lamech who was completely wicked, and Enoch who walked with God.  The number also has a significance in Quranic numerology.

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Interestingly, in Dante's cosmology, there are nine celestial spheres, with God residing beyond them all, in the Empyrean.





(Hell, not surprisingly, has nine circles, too.)

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« Reply #37 on: August 02, 2011, 01:33:58 PM »
There are between nine and twenty-one human senses, depending on who you ask, and how they define a sense. It is generally agreed that nine is the minimum. These are touch, taste, smell, sight, hearing, thermoception, nociception, equilibrioception, and proprioception. Hunger and thirst are also sometimes included. Generally, for something to qualify as a sense requires a free-standing sense organ associated with it. A sensory apparatus' primary source of information should be force data originating from outside the brain.

very, very interesting.  i wonder when theoretical physics would pick this up from cognitive psychology, cognitive science, and philosophy of perception.  that would be real cross-referencing.

Thought or intuition is sometimes included as a sense, but this is incorrect. Human thoughts do not take data directly from reality, but rather from the confluence of sensory organs with which they are connected. Sometimes senses are perceived concurrently with each other, for example sounds that have colors associated with them. This phenomenon is called synesthesia, and is relatively rare, though often reported under the influence of hallucinogens or psychedelics.

does this mean that there is no room for the 5th dimension as far as human senses go?  as for synesthesia vis-a-vis hallucinogens or psychedelics, i wonder what the name is for the convergence of senses brought about by the spirits (pinot noir, for one).  so far, i will opt for "spirithesia". ;D

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« Reply #38 on: August 02, 2011, 01:38:00 PM »
Interestingly, in Dante's cosmology, there are nine celestial spheres, with God residing beyond them all, in the Empyrean.



(Hell, not surprisingly, has nine circles, too.)

i wonder, then, if whoever it was who started the expression of "cloud nine" had dante's nine celestial spheres (or heavens) in mind.  clouds for heavens, who can say? ;D

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« Reply #39 on: August 02, 2011, 01:45:04 PM »
more on cloud nine:

It seems that it is the clouds themselves, rather than the number of them, that were in the thoughts of those who coined this phrase.  The imagery was originally of a 'cloud cuckoo land' or 'head in the clouds' dreaminess, induced by either intoxication or inspiration, rather than the 'idyllic happiness' that we now associate with the phrase.  The early references all come from mid 20th century USA and the earliest that I've found is in Albin Pollock's directory of slang, The Underworld Speaks, 1935:

     "Cloud eight, befuddled on account of drinking too much liquor."

'Cloud nine' comes a little later, for example, in The Oxnard Press-Courier, August 1946:

     "I think he has thought of everything, unless the authorities pull something new on him out of cloud nine."

Around the same period we find clouds seven and thirty-nine, in The San Mateo Times, April 1952 and Ross’s Hustlers, 1956, respectively:

     "Mantovani's skilled use of reeds and strings puts this disc way up on Cloud Seven."

     "That stuff is way up on Cloud Thirty-nine."

The early favourite was 'cloud seven' and many of the oldest citations use that form, as in this piece from The Dictionary of American Slang, 1960, which was the first printed definition of the term

     "Cloud seven - completely happy, perfectly satisfied; in a euphoric state."

This early preference for seven as the significant number may have been influenced by the existing phrase 'seventh heaven'.

Since the 1980s or so, 'cloud nine' has become predominant.  That has probably been influenced by the use of 'cloud nine' in popular music - George Harrison adopted the term as the title of his 1987 album and, more notably, The Temptations' 'psychedelic soul' album of the same name, in 1969.

Linguistic hype being what it is, we now hear people expressing their happiness with the inflationary 'cloud ten', which brings us back to the cumulonimbus/Buddhist theories.  Eighth heaven anyone?



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