Author Topic: Coping with breast cancer in the family (Read 4805 times)

islander · « **on:** May 30, 2013, 01:06:17 AM »

first, the patient herself cries.

then an ob-gyne niece cries upon seeing the results of a series of medical tests on her aunt. that was it; tears as a second opinion when i asked for a second diagnosis to either debunk or confirm the first findings.

my sister has been diagnosed with breast cancer and the doctor placed it at category 5. i didn't know that there's a difference between a category and a stage. it's a 5, and the worst that i've heard was stage 4 cancer. i bawled.

ignorance is bliss? anyone?

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islander · « **Reply #1 on:** May 30, 2013, 01:22:28 AM »

as there's a time for every purpose under heaven, we had to hold on to our wits and look around for all possible options as we try our best to dry our eyes. prayers are priority, but so is fast medical intervention.

i am posting my personal odyssey here as i cope with my sister's malady, she for whom i'd give all i have--savings, jewelry, time, whatever, just so she'd get well.

if this thread could be of help to anyone now or in the future, then my grief shall have held one more meaning too.

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islander · « **Reply #2 on:** May 30, 2013, 01:46:31 AM »

there are options for treatment and it goes without saying that the final decision rests with my sister. but we confer. a lot. and we both lean towards alternative treatment. but we had to have a solid basis for such a decision. fortunately, our niece who happens to be an ob-gyne is also open to alternatives. she made an appointment for my sister with the

Boai Medical Group
Address: Unit A-1102
6780 Jaka Building
Ayala Avenue, Makati City
Metro Manila
Hotline: 02-8221222(Landline), 0915-4642818(Globe), 0922-8083333(Sun)
Website: http://www.asiancancer.com/
E-mail: [email protected]

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islander · « **Reply #3 on:** May 30, 2013, 10:29:10 AM »

so we went to this address in makati, had a session with their inhouse doctor, and were impressed.

but first, the other options...

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islander · « **Reply #4 on:** May 30, 2013, 10:32:27 AM »

Traditional Treatment Options for Breast Cancer

by Michael Guthrie, R.Ph.

Below is some cursory information on the traditional treatments of breast cancer. For an extensive review of all currently available modalities in the U.S. and abroad, including non-traditional therapies, please visit my section on the Moss Reports.

After recovering as best as one can from the staggering news that one has breast cancer, itâ€™s time to make some decisions about treatment options. Treatment options are often determined by the staging of the cancer (in situ, invasive, lymph node involvement, metastases etc.). But before we get too far into this, letâ€™s emphasize an important point. Consider getting a second opinion on both the diagnosis and the treatment. Misdiagnosis occurs more frequently that the establishment would like to admit, and it cuts (no pun intended) both ways. I have spoken to quite a few women who were told they had a benign growth who later developed raging cancers.

In general, you will have four major areas of options: surgery, radiation, chemotherapy and hormonal therapy. Most often, combinations are used, and the choices are driven by the stage of the disease.

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islander · « **Reply #5 on:** May 30, 2013, 10:36:33 AM »

Surgery: The oldest of approaches (actually thousands of years old), surgery is often the most effective option. There are currently three major types of surgery for breast cancer.

Lumpectomy: Just the tumor and some surrounding tissue is removed

Total Mastectomy: The entire breast is removed but chest muscles and axillary lymph nodes are left intact.

Modified Radical Mastectomy: First, the breast is removed, then a portion of the axillary lymph nodes (the ones under the arm) are removed.

The type of surgery performed is usually determined by the stage of the disease.

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islander · « **Reply #6 on:** May 30, 2013, 10:38:25 AM »

Radiation: Often the physician will recommend radiation as an adjunct after surgery. Simply put, radiation damages cells that are rapidly dividing (like cancer). The hope is that any local area into which cancer cells have invaded will be irradiated sufficiently to kill any malignancies.

Radiation is normally administered every weekday for about six weeks. The procedure is almost always performed on an outpatient basis. The actual â€œzappingâ€ only lasts a few minutes.

Often, the radiation oncologist will prescribe a â€œbooster doseâ€ at the end of the cycle. Sometimes this is administered by implanting radioactive beads that stay in place for about 36 hours.

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islander · « **Reply #7 on:** May 30, 2013, 10:41:34 AM »

Chemotherapy: The most dreaded of all. Thoughts of uncontrolled nausea, vomiting, and diarrhea come to mind for most when they think of chemotherapy. Actually it isnâ€™t as bad as it used to be.

Unlike radiation, chemotherapy traverses the whole body, killing rapidly dividing cells. Besides cancer cells, other rapidly dividing cells include the lining of the gastrointestinal tract, blood cells, and hair. Damage to these cells results in the troublesome side effects associated with chemotherapy.

The most common chemotherapeutic agents used in breast cancer are cyclophosphamide or Cytoxan (C), methotrexate (M) 5 fluorouracil or 5FU (F), Adriamycin or doxorubicin (A), Oncovin or vincristine (O) and Taxol (T). Various combinations are utilized and given intials like CMF, CAF, etc. in keeping with the abbreviations mentioned previously.

Chemotherapy is usually given in cycles. Two common cycles are the 3-week and the 4-week cycle. In the 3-week cycle, there is a 3-week break between chemotherapy treatments. The 4-week cycle has two weeks on and two weeks off. These cycles can run from 12 weeks to over a year depending on many factors.

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islander · « **Reply #8 on:** May 30, 2013, 10:44:54 AM »

Hormone Therapy: Think Tamoxifen (Nolvadex). Right now, this is the hormone therapy most often employed. Physicians run tests on the cancer cells to see if they are stimulated by estrogen. If they are, the cancer is referred to as estrogen receptor positive. Tamoxifen works by blocking estrogen. Tamoxifen is also often employed when the cancer is estrogen receptor negative, especially in women over 50. It is not fully understood why Tamoxifen helps in some cases of estrogen receptor negative cancers.

This article is a very brief overview of traditional treatment options. The actual decision on which therapies are right for you involve many complex factors that should be discussed with a competent health care professional.

Article by Michael Guthrie, R.Ph.
http://www.alternative-cancer-treatments.com/

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balong · « **Reply #9 on:** May 30, 2013, 11:01:26 AM »

have you tried researching graviola $:-\$ $:-\$

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islander · « **Reply #10 on:** May 30, 2013, 11:08:13 AM »

not yet, and thanks for the tip, i will. anything worth reading and considering, i'll study. and ask. if someone told us to go to siquijor, i'd go. whatever it takes. but we will decide only with a doctor's imprimatur. and we have to decide in the next two weeks as we may run out of time.

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islander · « **Reply #11 on:** May 30, 2013, 11:22:36 AM »

Alternative Cancer Treatments and Protocols

There are many definitions to alternative cancer treatments, but let's just define them, for the sake of logical orientation, as non-traditional treatments for cancer. Richard Walters has organized them this way in his book Options: The Alternative Cancer Therapy Book. It's a good place to start. We spend a good deal of our time evaluating the most promising components of many of the following historical programs, as well as talking with consultants possessing years of experience. Alternative cancer treatments include, but are not limited, to the following (Please note: No endorsement by Alternative Cancer Treatments is implied by being listed here):

Biological and Pharmcologic Therapies
Antineoplastons
Gaston Naessens Therapy (714X)
Revici Therapy
Hydrazine Sulfate

Immune Therapies
Immuno-Augmentative Therapy (IAT)
Issels whole-body immune therapy

Herbal Therapies
Harry Hoxsey formulas
Essiac tea
Mistletoe (Iscador)...as used by Suzanne Somers
Pau D'Arco
Chaparral

Nutritional Therapies
Wheatgrass Therapy
Macrobiotics
Moerman's Anti-Cancer diet

Metabolic Therapies
Gerson
Kelley's Nutritional-Metabolic Therapy (as modified by Nicholas Gonzalez, MD)
Hans Nieper, M.D.

Adjunctive Therapies
Oxygen Therapies (including Ozone)
Hyperthermia
DMSO therapy
Chelation
Live Cell therapy
Energy Medicine

Bioelectric Therapies
Homeopathy
Ayurveda
Chinese Medicine

Mind-Body Approaches

The most successful practitioners seem to be those who integrate various components of the alternative cancer treatments listed above, without painting themselves into a corner by being committed to a particular model.

http://www.alternative-cancer-treatments.com/index.htm

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islander · « **Reply #12 on:** June 12, 2013, 12:21:17 AM »

then there's china.

we seriously considered treatment at the modern cancer hospital guangzhou. so we dashed to its satellite office in makati. being inside their office was a pleasant feeling quite unlike how we feel in our usual doctor's clinics, which are stark and depressing, complete with long waits and the standard morose medical secretary/receptionist. the atmosphere of the office is already healing, i thought. there was the young doctor with a sharp sense of humor and a very professional and friendly staff to boot. what's not to like?

everything was made clear, from the disease, the possible treatment/s, and the travel arrangements.

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islander · « **Reply #13 on:** June 12, 2013, 12:32:39 AM »

Bo Ai Medical Services, Inc.
Unit A-1102, 6780 Jaka Building
Ayala Avenue, Makati City

Bo Ai is currently the owner/operator of some 113 hospitals in the Chinese mainland, of which the most well-known is its women and childrenâ€™s hospital in Shenzen, its cardiovascular hospital in Shanghai and its anti-cancer treatment hospital, the Modern Cancer Hospital, based [in Guangzhou].

Bo Ai has a satellite office in Makati City and the United Arab Emirates (UAE) while also having close partnership with the European Anti-Cancer Society (UICC), the American Cancer Society and several hospitals and governments in the ASEAN region such as Indonesia, Malaysia, Thailand and Vietnam to as far away as South Africa. (http://www.latestnewsph.com/41976/chinese-medical-group-eyes-ph)

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islander · « **Reply #14 on:** June 12, 2013, 12:48:20 AM »

Modern Cancer Hospital Guangzhou

Modern Cancer Hospital Guangzhou is a comprehensive modern hospital specializing in oncotherapy and operating under the auspices of the Chinese government and Ministry of Health. The rapid development of China has attracted attention from all over the world. Chinese medical treatment has been one of the beneficiaries of this development, with Modern Hospital Guangzhou as a model 21st century health care facility.

The Tumor Consultant Center in Modern Hospital is composed of outstanding cancer specialists who share their expertise through group consultations. This team approach to treatment ensures that every patient benefits from a comprehensive effective therapeutic regimen designed not by a single physician but rather by the finest doctors in their field.

link: http://www.asiancancer.com/about-news/about-us/175.html

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islander · « **Reply #15 on:** June 12, 2013, 01:04:10 AM »

gearing up with paperwork for her possible trip to be accompanied by another sister (i was out of the equation; i would be of no help with my uncanny ability of losing direction and getting lost easily), my sister, whose decision takes precedence because it's about her life, thought about the whole enterprise some more...

she feared the unknown factor. what if she needed more than one treatment, which runs to 6 figures each, and had to go regularly a number of times? it may cost millions, plural with an s. where would we get that? her health insurance would be useless in china. she felt she'd also feel more secure if she's closer to family and friends.

yes, opting for the very tempting treatment in china is like punching above our reach.

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islander · « **Reply #16 on:** June 12, 2013, 01:11:11 AM »

as i went about contacting friends and relations for prayers, an old friend from way, way back sent me an email. it sounded urgent. and very thought-provoking. strangely, i feel more hopeful now than i ever was.

i am sharing her (long) letter here with you. who can say this may prove useful to any reader here one day as this has proved useful to us, now that we have more options. the names in the letter, as italicized, have been changed for privacy's sake.

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islander · « **Reply #17 on:** June 12, 2013, 01:14:22 AM »

June 11, 2013

Dear Linda,

Hereâ€™s why we took interest in cancer. My nephew, Joe, 23 yrs old, 5â€™8â€, 180 lbs, 4th year engineering student, was diagnosed with liver cancer in mid-August 2011 and he died December 24, 2011. He had 2 tumors, 9cmx9cm already, on both (left and right) livers---the largest organ inside the body. If only he had the cyst on his kidney, the doctor said he could have been operated on because man can live on Â¼ kidney, and kidney regenerates. Liver cancer is hard to detect because there are no nerves in the liver, so pain is experienced only when the tumor has become so large that it presses on other organs. That is why we hear of people with liver diseases (like alcoholics) who had â€œattacksâ€ and died instantaneously---they had been carrying the disease but didnâ€™t detect it because there was no pain as symptom. The tumors arenâ€™t detected until they burst.

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islander · « **Reply #18 on:** June 12, 2013, 01:17:10 AM »

There are no liver cancer doctors in Cebu, so we went to St. Luke's in Manila. Before we went to Manila, we also consulted Dr. Camenforte of the homeotheraphy clinic near the Capitol building. I had a friend who had liver infection (not cancer though), was treated by Dr. Camenforte, and was healed. The things I texted to you last night came from him---guyabano treatment, sunlight, virgin coconut oil (VCO), raw diet, 9 hours sleep, positive attitude (prayers)---Dr. Camenforte himself had stomach cancer for 15 years and he still looks young and robust. His mother also had cancer before him (and is still alive)---the reason why he searched all over the world for a cancer cure. His homeotherapy is from Germany.

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islander · « **Reply #19 on:** June 12, 2013, 01:22:48 AM »

After our consultations with Dr. Camenforte, we bought his products amounting to almost PhP5k. But alas, my nephew never believed a single thing about it and he did not even drink a single glass of the boiled guyabano leaves we prepared for him. He put his faith in my other niece, Delia, a young internal medicine doctor of Cebu Doctors Hospital, who did not believe in homeotherapy and who advised regular cancer treatment. It was agony for me that he did not believe. Even Delia said she has never heard of liver cancer patients who got healed. She predicted that Joe will die, but still she cannot recommend homeotherapy because it is a total departure from what they have learned in school. So we went mainstream to Dr. Cua of St. Luke's. He is the first to have successfully performed liver transplant in the Philippines. We went through the usual mainstream treatment of chemotherapy. Before then, we were even willing to undergo a recent treatment, SIRT for liver cancer (St. Luke's, costing PhP1.2M); but the cancer cells were so aggressive, both tumors grew 10x10cm within one month. So Joe was sent home to die, and we still spent close to PhP800k.

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islander · « **Reply #20 on:** June 12, 2013, 01:27:43 AM »

My brother Teo (Joe's father) was a widower. Joeâ€™s mother died in 2006--- she died in her sleep. It was equally a harrowing and traumatic experience for all of us. My brother works and stays in Manila, so Joe was alone with his mother in the house in Cansaga, Consolacion, and Joe woke up and shouted because he found his mother already in a coma the following morning. So when Joe got sick in August 2011, gi-ingnan ko ni Teo, â€œMarie, kuyogi ko.â€ Joe had only one sister, so it was a journey for the 4 of us. It was very, very painful for us. His last days were spent going in and out of Velez Hospital. On the day he died in the early morning of December 24, I was the only one awake because everybody was exhausted. So there I was---from the first diagnosis (ultrasound) to his death. All throughout, we kept asking and searching for cures for cancer.

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islander · « **Reply #21 on:** June 12, 2013, 01:32:50 AM »

So, I really took great interest in cancer patients. These are my observations/realizations:

#During our first and last visit with Dr. Camenforte, I asked him â€œCan you cure Joe?â€ and he replied outright, â€œNobody can cure cancer, and no doctor on earth can say that he did, but this I can tell you---I have two (2) cancer patients who were healed in the last two (2) months prior to this date.â€

Then he told us of 2 cases: ( a) a kargador from carbon with tongue cancer (and lymphnoids thing) whose tongue tumor was gone after 1 month from him; and (b) a woman with cervical cancer in Tacloban. In both cases, he told them to soak VCO in cotton and placed them 24 hours direct to the tumors---plus following all those things I texted you last night.

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islander · « **Reply #22 on:** June 12, 2013, 01:39:08 AM »

#We had 3 neighbors (first person stories)--â€“ (a) One who had myoma who never went to any doctor at all, either homeo or mainstream. Got healed through kamunggay drink and veggie diet. (b) Another elderly neighbor whose breast cancer was taken out through surgery but no further chemo or radiation therapy (they couldnâ€™t afford it). Got healed through kamunggay and other green leaves, no meat, etc. and prayers, she said. (c) Old woman with myoma, no treatment at all, just veggies and kamunggay.

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islander · « **Reply #23 on:** June 12, 2013, 01:46:20 AM »

#We had 3 neighbors who recently died of cancer---(a) a 42-yr-old lady lawyer, colon cancer; (b) 40-year-old woman, leukemia; (c) 18-year-old boy, leukemia. The 3 have something in common with my nephew Joe, they never ate vegetables. All were meat eaters since they were young. Na estorya gani sa neighbors nga si Lelia (the woman with leukemia) even had the cabbage bits sa pancit iya gikaon, iya ipadaplin.

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islander · « **Reply #24 on:** June 12, 2013, 01:49:20 AM »

#I can tell you numerous stories of healing (first person stories)--â€“peptic ulcers, myoma, diabetes, high blood, etc., using VCO, camote leaves, kamunggay juice (gidokdok ug gipuga), carrots, turmeric (yellow ginger), etc., all the anti oxidants we heard about.

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islander · « **Reply #25 on:** June 12, 2013, 01:50:26 AM »

#I knew of cancer patients who were healed through â€œDoc Alternatiboâ€ (herbal) and barley green.

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islander · « **Reply #26 on:** June 12, 2013, 01:52:11 AM »

#Dr. Camenforte told me to search on â€œepigeneticsâ€---very technical. But there are clinical studies/stories which we can understand---that DNA were â€œpseudoâ€-altered because of diet, like black mice turn blond with the change in diet rich in

something...

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islander · « **Reply #27 on:** June 12, 2013, 01:53:17 AM »

#We canâ€™t expect to get confirmation on guyabano as cure from mainstream medical people. But Dr. Camenforte said there is only one cure discovered so far to cure cancer---this is guyabano. But the production of the guyabano capsules (Utah-based company) has long backlogged because Thailand cannot cope with the supply of guyabano.

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islander · « **Reply #28 on:** June 12, 2013, 01:54:40 AM »

#I donâ€™t believe in â€œneurotoxicâ€ thing in guyabano either. Healthy people have been eating/drinking guyabano for years and never got sick because of it. I believe that mainstream drugmakers (who have the capability to contribute to the making of Wikipedia; duna baya protocols ang Wiki) would be interested to upload â€œanti-guyabanoâ€ things in the internet. I searched recently in the internet; dili na nako makita ang scientist nga whistleblower who exposed the suppression of a 1976 study of guyabano by a big pharmaceutical that wanted to produce a â€œsynthetic guyabanoâ€ but failed. Try to look for that study by a Utah-based pharmaceutical.

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islander · « **Reply #29 on:** June 12, 2013, 01:55:31 AM »

#Dr. Camenforte also told us of recent clinical studies that VCO can heal. There are also numerous first person testimonies of this as anti-bacterial and anti-viral agents. VCO is medium chain fatty acid or MCTs. The problem when you search for VCO in the internet is it is full of brands of VCO being sold. Search for â€œmedium chain triglyceridesâ€ or lauric acid.

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islander · « **Reply #30 on:** June 12, 2013, 01:57:49 AM »

There are so many stories---actual testimonies in the internet ug mga healing ministries like Maryâ€™s Little Children (Tabunok), of Msgr. Kriekenbeck, etc. Ako suggestion is for your sister to visit Dr. Camenforte June 13, Thursday dayon, follow all he will prescribe, and give it one (1) month to work before letting your sister undergo surgery. For all you know, the cyst would have been gone by then. Dr. Camenforte is a mainstream MD who studied homeotherapy as add-on.

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islander · « **Reply #31 on:** June 12, 2013, 01:59:27 AM »

Let your brother visit the clinic now and get an appointment for your sister on Thursday. There are many homeo doctors in Cebu, and we also heard of healings through them. But I suggest Dr. Camenforte because he is a cancer patient for 15 years, was never opened up, and is still very vigorous, and highly spiritual.

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islander · « **Reply #32 on:** June 12, 2013, 02:01:06 AM »

And prayers of course---masses for your sister (we can offer masses for the living baya) and the dead, before anything else. Storm heaven with your prayers. Have your sister make a general confession (complete re-telling of sins and hurts since childhood) with Msgr. Fred Kriekenbeck. Sr. Diane can guide her.

Maricel

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islander · « **Reply #33 on:** June 13, 2013, 02:58:16 AM »

LORENZ! please, what can you say about homeotherapy as mentioned by my friend in this her letter? what's your opinion, please. tomorrow, the oncologist will decide on the schedule of surgery, which is already a given. my sister is open to integrative medicine. she said she'd do all she can to avoid chemotherapy. please help us with your prayers.

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #34 on:** June 13, 2013, 03:25:07 AM »

DEAR ISLES,

As a medical professional, I want you to know that there are indeed many options available for your sister either it be a surgical resection of the neoplastic tumors / mass through tumorectomy. Strategically speaking Isles, if it is possible, the tumor should be reduced in size through radiation chemotherapy. When the tumor as receded in size, it can be surgically removed.

I know that there is a fear of radiation chemotherapy because of the toxicities to the living tissues / fast growing tissues. However, one can minimize the major side effect of pancytopenia through the intake of erythropoetin and CSGF (colony stimulating growth factors), which increases marrow growth.

We have a trial drug that is known to be quite effective, Isles. The Trade name here is : TARCEVA, the drug name is Erlotinib. It is part of the kinase inhibitor family of anti-neoplatic drugs. Do ask your sister's Radiology Oncologist if she is a candidate for this drug.

In all things, my dear ISLES, Pray, and continue to pray. I will keep your sister in my prayers for a positive outcome.

Yours Sincerely,
Lorenzo

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islander · « **Reply #35 on:** June 13, 2013, 04:09:12 AM »

thanks a lot, lorenz.

btw, homeotherapy isn't taught in medical schools?

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #36 on:** June 13, 2013, 04:28:26 AM »

No, it is not taught in allopathic medical schools. The curriculum strays away from that.

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