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« Reply #20 on: March 21, 2009, 09:23:50 AM »
and the JSF (F-35 Lightning II) soon!!!
Artificial Intelligence is nothing in comparison to Natural Stupidity.

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« Reply #21 on: March 21, 2009, 09:29:16 AM »
The JSF (F-35) is the model that will replace the American F-16 Fighting Eagle. The JSF 35 serves as an attack fighter, these are built to attack and pummel military bases, and surface ships.

The F-22 RAPTOR is designed as a 4th generation Air Supremacy Fighter. It will replace the F-15, which will be phased out soon.

There is no fighter in the world that can contend with the F-22. Russian Migs, Su-33 and Flankers do not have the speed, agility, and firepower as the Raptor.

The Chinese know and realize that they cannot touch Taiwan, so they resort to threats. China resorts to military exercises and games to try to scare Taiwan.



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« Reply #22 on: March 21, 2009, 09:31:31 AM »
replacing also Harrier Jets, F-18 Superhornets

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« Reply #23 on: March 21, 2009, 09:34:22 AM »
Yes, that too. Perhaps, the United States will donate some of its F-18s and F-16s and F-15s to the Philippine Air Force.

Uncle Sam need only to 'donate 60 or so of these fighters to the PAF.

And the PAF would have the strongest Air Force in ASEAN. :)

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« Reply #24 on: March 21, 2009, 09:38:24 AM »
yes yes yes...to replace our Tora-Tora and F-4s...


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« Reply #25 on: March 21, 2009, 09:45:36 AM »
lol, we don't even have an air fighter. The PAF deactivated the F-5 Tigers.

We are flying old 1950s fighters and using training planes as  our primary defense fighters.

A nation of 85 million cannot even afford to purchase decent fighters for its air force.

It is so clearly obvious how the Philippines needs American alliance. Without the alliance from America, there really is nothing the AFP can do to stop an air attack.

I mean, what are we going to fight them with? Huey Helicopters?

We don't even have an air-defense grid.


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« Reply #26 on: March 21, 2009, 09:52:22 AM »
To even be realistic, Glacier, if the Chinese did invade the Kalayaan group, the batallion or so of PHiippine marines would probably be expelled within a week; or die fighting.

Let us analyze the situation IF America was not our ally.

The situation would go like this:

1. China invades Kalayaan group
2. Philippine forces defend--but have no anti-air capability
3. The Philippine Air Force, composed of Huey helicopters and old 1950s / 1960s propeller planes would be shot down by Chinese Migs.
4. With the loss of any air fighter, there is nothing to stop China's bombing of Philippine urban centers: eg, Manila, Makati, Quezon, Cebu, Tagbilaran, Davao, Cagayan De Oro, Puerto Princessa.
5. Philippine Army tries to send reinforcement to Kalayaan via support ships.
6. Chinese air units strafe and sink Philippine surface ships and support ships including army units since there is no air force
7. Manila will sue for Peace.



That, is a national catastrophe that I pray will never happen.

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« Reply #27 on: March 21, 2009, 09:56:07 AM »
we can only afford Bronchos (Italian) and some choppers...we depend so much on "barang" and "wak-waks" to fight any foreign invaders, if they want to risk their lives hehehehe


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« Reply #28 on: March 21, 2009, 09:58:19 AM »

that quick!

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« Reply #29 on: March 21, 2009, 10:24:51 AM »




if this will happen.  enter dagohoy ug uban pa. :(

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« Reply #30 on: March 21, 2009, 08:55:50 PM »

Due to the fact that the Republic is composed of islands and no continuity; and due to the heavy dependence on naval transport for day-to-day operation, this is translated into a weakness in terms of military affairs. In the game of war.

As an archipelagic nation, the Philippines' top military priority should be naval prowess and power. To properly and definitely enforce the nation's territorial claims and repudiate foreign claims/threats, it should have an able surface fleet. (at least to include 1-2 destroyers, 5-10 corvettes, 2-3 frigates, and a contingent of missile/gun patrol boats).

The first line of defense the Republic has is its navy, segundum to that is its air force (and at the moment; it is a shell of its former self). Tertiary to that is the infantry.

Military modernization should be one of the top priorities for the Philippines. But due to Manila's dependence on America's Military Alliance, has forgone the need to modernize efficiently.

Quite frankly, there is no excuse why a nation of some 90 million cannot afford 10-20 F-16s and purchasing new frigates for the surface fleet.


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« Reply #31 on: March 22, 2009, 01:59:42 AM »

ARTICLE l
NATIONAL TERRITORY
(1987 Philippine Constitution)

The national territory comprises the Philippine archipelago, with all the islands and waters embraced therein, and all other territories over which the Philippines has sovereignty or jurisdiction, consisting of its terrestrial, fluvial and aerial domains, including its territorial sea, the seabed, the subsoil, the insular shelves, and other submarine areas. The waters around between, the connecting the islands of the archipelago, regardless of their breadth and dimensions, from part of the internal waters of the Philippines.

Our rights and claims are based on law. Under the archipelagic doctrine under the U.N. Convention on the Law of  the Sea, an archipelago is one unit determined by connecting the outermost islands and islets with an imaginary straight line; all bodies of land and waters inside the baseline form the entire archipelago.

             The purpose of the archipelagic doctrine (i’m using Justice V.V. Mendoza’s notes; these are not mine) is to protect the territorial integrity of the archipelago. Without it, (according to Justice V.V.): there would be “pockets of high seas” between some of our islands and islets, as for instance between Bohol and Siquijor, thus foreign vessels  would be able to pass through these “pockets of high seas” and we would have no jurisdiction over them.  And so, in order to protect the land,  the group of islands  and the waters between them and all islets and shoal and rocks within the baseline are all considered one unit under the archipelagic doctrine under  UNCLOS.

Our rights are based not only on international law but also on treaties: (still using Justice V.V. Mendoza’s notes; these are not mine): The Treaty of Paris defining the metes and bounds of the archipelago; the Treaty of  Washington between the U.S. and Spain in the 1900’s; ceding Cagayan, Sibuto, and Sulu; the Treaty between U.S. and Great Britain, 1930, ceding Turtle Island and Mangsi Island.

                It is true that through the years, some of the islets that are part of the disputed territories, or some of the islets that fall inside the baseline,  have been occupied  by China and Vietnam.  The Chief Executive, the Commander-in-Chief, speaking through her lieutenants and assistants, wants Congress to exclude those  islets by drawing the baseline in such manner that those islets fall outside our baseline, thus  Malacañang ordered its congressmen to bring back the House bill on baselines, already approved on second reading and up for approval on third reading, brought back to the committee level again. 

      It is true that we are a small country with a small military capability compared to China.   

           

        But we have never given up those claims, we have never recognized their occupation  as evidence of ownership; international law does not recognize invasion or occupation as a source of right; we have not authorized our “leaders” to sell or cede any part of our claimed territories; those “leaders” are under question and scrutiny now for allegedly accepting bribes and commissions in hundreds of millions of dollars from Chinese corporate officials; we are not about  to surrender any part of our land; the dispute over those territories should be resolved in the U.N. and in the meantime the  Philippine legislature  should be doing its job of  defending our rigts, and those “leaders”, whether they are in Congress, the Supreme Court  or in Malacañang  selling our territories would be disowned, disavowed and driven away from our land. Maybe together with their foreign  patrons. We have a history of doing that. 

source:Marichu Lambino, word press




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