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Lorenzo · « **on:** April 20, 2011, 12:48:34 PM »

The Philippine military said Friday it planned to use a new US-made vessel to boost patrols in disputed South China Sea waters, amid a flare-up in tensions with China over rival claims.

The navy was looking to use the modern Hamilton-class patrol craft, recently bought from the United States, around the Philippine-claimed area of the Spratly archipelago, military spokesman Brigadier-General Jose Mabanta said.

"That's one of the possible areas. We really have to secure some of our possessions, and the Spratlys is one of our possessions," Mabanta told AFP when asked where the vessel would be deployed.

Mabanta said a Philippine navy crew was currently in the United States training to operate the patrol craft, and that it was expected to arrive in June.

The US navy describes the Hamilton as a high endurance cutter with close-in weapons systems.

The Philippine navy has a tiny and old fleet compared with China.

The Philippine fleet is made up of recommissioned former US navy vessels, headlined by Rajah Humabon, a Cannon-class destroyer escort that was built during World War II and is one of the world's oldest operational warships.

The Philippines and China, along with Brunei, Malaysia, Taiwan and Vietnam, claim all or part of the Spratlys, which are believed to sit on vast mineral resources and lie near vital sea lanes.

The dispute flared up again last month when Manila complained that Chinese patrol boats had harassed a Philippine oil exploration vessel in disputed waters near the Spratlys.

The Philippines later announced plans to pursue oil exploration in the area and to upgrade its military airfield on one of the islands, and lodged a formal protest at the United Nations over China's claims.

Amid the flare-up China has repeatedly reiterated its exclusive claims to all the disputed areas and their adjacent waters, much of which are much closer to Philippine land than Chinese.

The United States considers the Philippines a major non-North Atlantic Treaty Organisation military ally and the two countries are bound by a 1951 mutual defence pact.

China has repeatedly told the United States it has no right to be involved in the Spratlys dispute.

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #1 on:** April 20, 2011, 12:52:42 PM »

The Republic of the Philippines has recently acquired an American Hamilton-Class missile ship, which was formerly part of the US Coast Guard.

This is ship was sent to the Spratly's to intensify Philippine-Claim of the region and to send a reminder to the Chinese that the Philippines will defend her territory.

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #2 on:** April 20, 2011, 12:53:52 PM »

The Hamilton-Class Ship is the newest addition to the Philippine Surface Fleet. And the 'newest' / 'high tech' addition to the Fleet.

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #3 on:** April 20, 2011, 12:56:24 PM »

For the first time in our history, the Philippine Navy now has a ship that includes a landing pit. This will allow the Philippine Navy to carry Bell -attack helicopters that can also carry anti-submarine missiles.

This ship is the Philippine Navy's answer to the growing Chinese submarine threat. The Philippine is expecting 4 more of these ships from the United States Navy.

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #4 on:** April 20, 2011, 12:58:35 PM »

I am actually happy to read this. Finally, the Philippine Navy can now properly defend its territorial waters from foreign intruders.

Chinese ships will now think twice of coming close to Philippine waters. Else it will be sunk by our American-built warships.

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #5 on:** April 20, 2011, 01:00:23 PM »

The Philippine Navy will be attaching these attack helicopters in our new ships.

This will provide us naval and air power in the area of interest.

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #6 on:** April 20, 2011, 01:06:46 PM »

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chriswise · « **Reply #7 on:** April 20, 2011, 08:46:48 PM »

nindot ni kaayo,balita....

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #8 on:** April 21, 2011, 03:49:45 AM »

nindot ni kaayo,balita....

In 2004-2005, the United States also sold the Philippines a Cyclone-Class Missile Patrol Ship.

This new ship is currently in use by the Philippine Navy as the BRP General Mariano Alvarez

Anti-Ship Missiles of the BRP General M. Alvarez.
(These are strong enough to take down Chinese frigates, corvettes)

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #9 on:** April 21, 2011, 03:55:41 AM »

The newly-acquired Cutter Class Ship; This is the Philippine Navy's answer to Chinese threats....

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bol-anon quo nyur! · « **Reply #10 on:** April 21, 2011, 06:02:43 AM »

Dong Lorenz, basin baya unya giingon nga Philippine navy, pero ang operator mga kano!

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #11 on:** April 21, 2011, 09:11:33 AM »

hahaha, mao pood. ug ing ana man diay, then mo surrender ang mga inchik kai ma kuyawan sila sa blue og green eyes sa mga amerikano.

lol

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Way Nada · « **Reply #12 on:** May 27, 2011, 03:24:44 PM »

Lorenzo and bqn:

Sa akong nahibaw-an sa mga Pinoy dili ta kabsan ug mga maayong laki. Brain drain pa man gani. Ang atong navy, air force ug army... ug naa lang untay gamit nga maayo dili ta malupigan sa mga insik.

Kini huna-hunaa nga sa una sa pagkahuman sa gira kita dinhi sa Asya gitahud ang Pinas nga gamhanan. Kaila ba mo ug unsa ang "Blue Diamonds"? Mao na ang counterpart sa Blue Angels sa US Navy. Ang atong BD mas nauna pa anang aerobatic nga abilidad sa Blue Angels pero karon tungod kay wa na man tay fighter nga maayo kalit na lang nga nawa ang Blue Diamonds.

Ang PAL pilots usa sa mga maayong laki nga mga piloto sa tibook kalibutan. Ang atong army usa sa gisaligan sa UN Peace Force kung asa ang mga nasud nga gubot.

WN

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bol-anon quo nyur! · « **Reply #13 on:** May 28, 2011, 02:04:11 AM »

Ang PAL pilots usa sa mga maayong laki nga mga piloto sa tibook kalibutan. Ang atong army usa sa gisaligan sa UN Peace Force kung asa ang mga nasud nga gubot.

I agree, nga ang atong mga pilot sa PAL is one of the best...Lami kaayo ang ilang LANDING kumpara sa uban nahong naskayan nga Airline...

Sir WN, dili kaha tungod kai BARATO ang bayad sa atong peacekeeping force? maong permi ta apil sa UN?

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #14 on:** May 28, 2011, 03:57:34 AM »

Lorenzo and bqn:

Sa akong nahibaw-an sa mga Pinoy dili ta kabsan ug mga maayong laki. Brain drain pa man gani. Ang atong navy, air force ug army... ug naa lang untay gamit nga maayo dili ta malupigan sa mga insik.

Kini huna-hunaa nga sa una sa pagkahuman sa gira kita dinhi sa Asya gitahud ang Pinas nga gamhanan. Kaila ba mo ug unsa ang "Blue Diamonds"? Mao na ang counterpart sa Blue Angels sa US Navy. Ang atong BD mas nauna pa anang aerobatic nga abilidad sa Blue Angels pero karon tungod kay wa na man tay fighter nga maayo kalit na lang nga nawa ang Blue Diamonds.

Ang PAL pilots usa sa mga maayong laki nga mga piloto sa tibook kalibutan. Ang atong army usa sa gisaligan sa UN Peace Force kung asa ang mga nasud nga gubot.

WN

Sa una ra man na, Sir Way Nada. Pero karon, wa jamo air fighter that can adequately protect the Philippines. Just run down hand me downs. If the Chinese wanted to, they could shoot them from the air with their laser guided missiles...

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Way Nada · « **Reply #15 on:** May 28, 2011, 06:54:10 AM »

Ang PAL pilots usa sa mga maayong laki nga mga piloto sa tibook kalibutan. Ang atong army usa sa gisaligan sa UN Peace Force kung asa ang mga nasud nga gubot.

I agree, nga ang atong mga pilot sa PAL is one of the best...Lami kaayo ang ilang LANDING kumpara sa uban nahong naskayan nga Airline...

Sir WN, dili kaha tungod kai BARATO ang bayad sa atong peacekeeping force? maong permi ta apil sa UN?

Lorenzo and bqn:

Mao lagi sa una ra tungod kay wa na intawon ipalit ug eroplano pang gira. Kanang PAL dihay nahitabo ana nga gibombahan ug terorista ang PAL flight paingon Japan pero na landing gihapon sa piloto ang eroplano bisan ug nawad-an na ug hydraulic ang system. Didto pud sa Australia nag-landing ang PAL nga usa ra ka "set of landing gears" ang gigamit. Kay ang nahitabo pag take off sa PAL gikan sa MIA nag explode ang mga ligid pero gi deretso gihapon sa piloto ang biyahe paingon sa Sydney kay matud pa kuno nga sa oras sa "emergency" o peligro maayo ug himan ang airport sa Australia kay sa Manila.

Usa pud nang barato ang bayad sa peace-keeping force. Pero naa pa man puy barato nato pareho anang mga nasud sa Africa. Ang Malaysia karon ra pud na mo-entra nga na-maayo na ug pagka manso ang ilang army sa mga Gurkha Fighters.

WN

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #16 on:** May 28, 2011, 07:09:52 AM »

Lorenzo and bqn:

Mao lagi sa una ra tungod kay wa na intawon ipalit ug eroplano pang gira. Kanang PAL dihay nahitabo ana nga gibombahan ug terorista ang PAL flight paingon Japan pero na landing gihapon sa piloto ang eroplano bisan ug nawad-an na ug hydraulic ang system. Didto pud sa Australia nag-landing ang PAL nga usa ra ka "set of landing gears" ang gigamit. Kay ang nahitabo pag take off sa PAL gikan sa MIA nag explode ang mga ligid pero gi deretso gihapon sa piloto ang biyahe paingon sa Sydney kay matud pa kuno nga sa oras sa "emergency" o peligro maayo ug himan ang airport sa Australia kay sa Manila.

Usa pud nang barato ang bayad sa peace-keeping force. Pero naa pa man puy barato nato pareho anang mga nasud sa Africa. Ang Malaysia karon ra pud na mo-entra nga na-maayo na ug pagka manso ang ilang army sa mga Gurkha Fighters.

WN

The Malaysians have the Gurkhas to thank as these special forces troops were deployed by the British Army as well as by the newly formed Malaysian Armed Forces during the brief Konfrontasi War. The Gurkhas were brutally effective against Sukarno's Indonesian Paramilitary Troops. Brunei employs thousands of them to this day.

In regards to state of the Philippine Air Force, there is no excuse for its condition. It is simple governmental failure to upgrade the military effectively. How is it that Vietnam, Myanmar, Thailand, Malaysia, and Indonesia have air supremacy fighters whilst the Philippines does not?

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Way Nada · « **Reply #17 on:** May 28, 2011, 07:26:21 AM »

The Malaysians have the Gurkhas to thank as these special forces troops were deployed by the British Army as well as by the newly formed Malaysian Armed Forces during the brief Konfrontasi War. The Gurkhas were brutally effective against Sukarno's Indonesian Paramilitary Troops. Brunei employs thousands of them to this day.

In regards to state of the Philippine Air Force, there is no excuse for its condition. It is simple governmental failure to upgrade the military effectively. How is it that Vietnam, Myanmar, Thailand, Malaysia, and Indonesia have air supremacy fighters whilst the Philippines does not?

The British sent the Gurkha's to train the Malaysian military when in 1968 a young senator by the name of Ninoy Aquino betrayed the Filipino people by divulging sensitive information involving Muslim recruits trained by the military to infiltrate North Borneo. Ninoy Aquino in a privilege speech accused his own government of conpiracy to wreck havoc on Sabah. The British sent special forces to Sabah and trained the Malaysians in counter insurgency warfare... and even sent a flotilla of warship in the sea of Palawan to confront any Filipino infiltrator.

What was ironic of Ninoy's expose was that there was no "massacre" of muslim recruits in Corregidor.

WN

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #18 on:** May 29, 2011, 01:24:11 AM »

The British sent the Gurkha's to train the Malaysian military when in 1968 a young senator by the name of Ninoy Aquino betrayed the Filipino people by divulging sensitive information involving Muslim recruits trained by the military to infiltrate North Borneo. Ninoy Aquino in a privilege speech accused his own government of conpiracy to wreck havoc on Sabah. The British sent special forces to Sabah and trained the Malaysians in counter insurgency warfare... and even sent a flotilla of warship in the sea of Palawan to confront any Filipino infiltrator.

What was ironic of Ninoy's expose was that there was no "massacre" of muslim recruits in Corregidor.

WN

I doubt the British would have engaged the Philippines in such a case, Sir Way Nada, considering that the United States and the Philippines are bilateral major Non-Nato Strategic allies. And considering the United States had a military presence in Olangapo , Subic Bay , Clark and other minor stations.

The state of Malaysia is an invention. Such a state never existed in history. Not to mention how Peninsular Malaysia is linguistically different from eastern Malaysia. The state of Sabah, which is located in the northeastern region of eastern Malaysia, is lingustically and culturally closer to the Philippines than the peninsular Malaysians.

The people of Sabah are ethnically and linguistically identitical to that of the people from Jolo.

In fact, Sabah was part of the Sulu Sultanate for hundreds of years. The Sultan of Sulu and Sultan of Brunei were both blood brothers and in many battles , it was the Sultan of Sulu who used to rescue the Sultan of Brunei's forces.

The languages spoken in Sabah and Sarawak is closer to BINISAYA than it is to the foreign dialect of Bahasa Malay spoken in Kuala Lumpur and Jakarta.

Lorenzo.

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Way Nada · « **Reply #19 on:** May 29, 2011, 06:21:04 AM »

I doubt the British would have engaged the Philippines in such a case, Sir Way Nada, considering that the United States and the Philippines are bilateral major Non-Nato Strategic allies. And considering the United States had a military presence in Olangapo , Subic Bay , Clark and other minor stations.

The state of Malaysia is an invention. Such a state never existed in history. Not to mention how Peninsular Malaysia is linguistically different from eastern Malaysia. The state of Sabah, which is located in the northeastern region of eastern Malaysia, is lingustically and culturally closer to the Philippines than the peninsular Malaysians.

The people of Sabah are ethnically and linguistically identitical to that of the people from Jolo.

In fact, Sabah was part of the Sulu Sultanate for hundreds of years. The Sultan of Sulu and Sultan of Brunei were both blood brothers and in many battles , it was the Sultan of Sulu who used to rescue the Sultan of Brunei's forces.

The languages spoken in Sabah and Sarawak is closer to BINISAYA than it is to the foreign dialect of Bahasa Malay spoken in Kuala Lumpur and Jakarta.

Lorenzo.

I think the presence of warships in the sea of Palawan during the crisis created by Ninoy Aquino was only in a defensive posture by the British commonwealth allies in case there is military infiltration by the Filipinos.

You can call it an invention but Malaysia is a name taken from Malaya, which composed all of the Malay kingdoms just like the Philippines before the coming of the Spaniards. It refers to the people who are called Malay... not the place. Before we were called Filipinos we were Malay first. The Malay people including the Filipinos and Indonesians distinguish themselves from the people of China, Burma, Laos, Thailand and Vietnam.

Borneo is a Malay kingdom under the sultan of Brunei. When the British occupied the northern part, they called it North Borneo. The new government of Malaysia changed it to Sabah.

There is no disagreement that Sabah or North Borneo belongs to the Philippines but my point is; Ninoy Aquino scuttled the plan to win back North Borneo. The reason that he was opposed to Marcos doesn't mean that he should also announced to the whole world that Marcos is planning to invade Malaysia.

And irony of all ironies is that; he became a hero and Marcos is not.

WN

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #20 on:** May 29, 2011, 09:10:55 AM »

Sir Way Nada,

Yes you are right that Filipinos, Malaysians, Indonesians, and Bruneians are of the Malay ethnic group. We are probably the largest ethnic group in Asia, second only to the Han Chinese. If combined, the total malay people in the world would be about 370-380 million (if we added the population of Indonesia, Malaysia, the Philippines and Brunei together).

My point is that the people of Sarawak and Sabah had no cultural or political ties with Kuala Lumpur before the creation of the state of Malaya. In fact, Singapore was part of Malaysia , only to separate itself from it after a plebiscite was conducted to secede from the Federation of Malaysia.

Sabah's unfortuante inclusion of the British invention of 'Malaya' was because of the failure of the Americans and the Philippine Commonwealth Government to champion the cause of Sabah's return from British temporary control. In 1878, Baron Von Overbeck, an Austrian partner representing The British North Borneo Company and his British partner Alfred Dent, leased the territory of Sabah. In return, the company was to provide arms to the Sultan to resist the Spaniards and 5,000 Malayan dollars annual rental based on the Mexican dollar's value at that time or its equivalent in gold. This lease was continued until the independence and formation of the Malaysian federation in 1963 together with Singapore, Sarawak and the states of Malaya. As of 2004, the Malaysian Embassy to the Philippines had been paying cession/rental money amounting to US$1,500 per year (about 6,300 Malaysian Ringgits) to the heirs of the Sultanate of Sulu.

As for Ninoy Aquino's involvement, I am not so sure. I would have to do some more reading and research before I say anything about him in the case.

As far as I know, it would have been opportune for the Philippines to have taken Sarawak and Sabah early in our independence. The loss of Sabah to the Malaysians is a catastrophe for our country since Sabah is rich in natural resource. It is rich in natural gas, gold, petroleum, diamonds, lumber, fertile land etc.

Lorenzo.

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #21 on:** May 29, 2011, 09:15:02 AM »

Additionally,

It is surmised by anthropologists that the earliest Filipinos came form present day Sabah. There is a tribal group in Sabah that call themselves, 'BISAYA', and their language has similar words and phrases to the Visayan dialects in the Philippines.

Sabah is not only a territorial property of the Philippines, but a historical link to our earliest ancestors. For it is considered that the earliest Filipinos came from Sabah/ North Borneo.

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #22 on:** May 29, 2011, 09:16:53 AM »

Sabah, The Philippine's Lost Frontier.

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #23 on:** May 29, 2011, 09:17:26 AM »

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #24 on:** May 29, 2011, 09:19:28 AM »

Kota Kinabalu, the capital city of Sabah.

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hubag bohol · « **Reply #25 on:** May 29, 2011, 09:23:23 AM »

There is no disagreement that Sabah or North Borneo belongs to the Philippines but my point is; Ninoy Aquino scuttled the plan to win back North Borneo. The reason that he was opposed to Marcos doesn't mean that he should also announced to the whole world that Marcos is planning to invade Malaysia.

And irony of all ironies is that; he became a hero and Marcos is not.

WN

Marcos reminds me of other megalomaniacs and criminals, but just now Iâ€™m struck with the thought that in many ways he resembled Heinrich Himmler, the chief architect of the Holocaust. Himmler, whom many commentators consider as a more evil man than even his boss Adolf Hitler (whom Marcos also reminds me of, needless to say), was reportedly genuinely shocked when he was treated as a war criminal upon his capture. Marcosâ€™ delusion that he was a hero (a psychotic belief apparently still shared by a chosen few) is akin to Himmlerâ€™s view of himself as an honorable gentleman soldier.

Spurned by his own people whom he oppressed to feed his vanity, Marcos in the end took solace in the desolate sanctum of his perverted mind, living up (heroically, I may have to admit) to his grandiloquent pronouncement that â€œLeadership is the other side of the coin of loneliness, and he who is a leader must always act alone. And acting alone, accept everything alone.â€ Sadly, by then the only beings he led were all in his head, the deformed creatures of Philippine lower mythology with whom, when all is said and done, he is destined to find congenial company.

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Way Nada · « **Reply #26 on:** May 29, 2011, 05:44:13 PM »

Marcos reminds me of other megalomaniacs and criminals, but just now Iâ€™m struck with the thought that in many ways he resembled Heinrich Himmler, the chief architect of the Holocaust. Himmler, whom many commentators consider as a more evil man than even his boss Adolf Hitler (whom Marcos also reminds me of, needless to say), was reportedly genuinely shocked when he was treated as a war criminal upon his capture. Marcosâ€™ delusion that he was a hero (a psychotic belief apparently still shared by a chosen few) is akin to Himmlerâ€™s view of himself as an honorable gentleman soldier.

Spurned by his own people whom he oppressed to feed his vanity, Marcos in the end took solace in the desolate sanctum of his perverted mind, living up (heroically, I may have to admit) to his grandiloquent pronouncement that â€œLeadership is the other side of the coin of loneliness, and he who is a leader must always act alone. And acting alone, accept everything alone.â€ Sadly, by then the only beings he led were all in his head, the deformed creatures of Philippine lower mythology with whom, when all is said and done, he is destined to find congenial company.

Marcos reminds you of other "megalomaniacs"? Let me see what is the meaning of that word. Now here is what I found. There are two definitions of the word "megalomaniac".

1. A psychopathological condition characterized by delusional fantasies of wealth, power, or omnipotence.

2. An obsession with grandiose or extravagant things or
actions.

I think the two definitions if I'm not mistaken "in your mind" will fit to the personality of Marcos. I'll take issue with the first meaning because it deals with wealth and power. I think these are the issues always attributed to Marcos.

So Marcos is a psychopath and because his personality is characterized by delusional fantasies of wealth, power, or omnipotence... so it is true that; he amassed wealth by robbing the coffer of the government worth 20B dollars. And you believe that. This amount he robbed is more than the total debt of the Philippines to the WB/IMF which was only 18B dollars during his presidency. Aside from robbing the government coffer he got rich also with his discovery of the treasure of Yamashita. Am I correct? The third aspect is omnipotence; I want to bargain this with you. Please don't believe if Marcos thought that he is omnipotent because this is only attributed to God. Hehehe...

Granting for the sake of argument that he is a megalomaniac. Does it not bother you that for almost 22 years the Filipino people is being led by a megalomaniac. All those who were under him you believe as not as stupid as he is followed and supported him [a megalomaniac] and who in their own rights became also leaders and senators of the republic like Ramos and Erap who became our president; Enrile, Biazon, Angara, Golez and many more... they are Marcos people who became senators of the republic.

"Worth going according to Atty. Lolong Lazaro... is the fact that from Sept. 21, 1972 up to Feb. 26, 1986, or in a span of 14 years, President Ferdinand E. Marcos had crafted and formulated, with the assistance of experts, 7,883 Presidential Decrees and other legal issuances covering almost every phase of human life or conduct â€“ from birth to the grave, so to speak. The presidential legal issuances are categorized as follows:

a) Presidential Decrees (1 to 2036)

b) Letters of Instruction (1 to 1525)

c) Letters of Implementation (1 to 157)

d) General Orders (1 to 61)

e) Executive Orders (366 to 1093)

f) Administrative Orders (349 to 504)

g) Proclamation (1081 to 2486)

h) Memo Circulars (599 to 1297)

These legal issuances were designed not only for the yesteryears, but also for today and tomorrow, touching everyone. Gifted with legal acumen, President Marcos adorned his legal issuances with wisdom and justice, embellished with compassion and concern for the peopleâ€™s welfare. His issuances are exclusive of the hundreds of laws that he authored and/or sponsored as congressman and senator for almost two decades." [To be continued]

WN

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hubag bohol · « **Reply #27 on:** May 29, 2011, 06:05:38 PM »

The fact (as you claim) that people who â€œbecame also leaders and senators of the republic like Ramos and Erap who became our president; Enrile, Biazon, Angara, Golez and many moreâ€ believed in him and that he â€œcrafted and formulated, with the assistance of experts, 7,883 Presidential Decrees and other legal issuancesâ€ does not make Marcos any less of a megalomaniac and a criminal.

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islander · « **Reply #28 on:** May 29, 2011, 07:55:41 PM »

so did hitler have followers and supporters. and they were not idiots.

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Way Nada · « **Reply #29 on:** May 29, 2011, 08:40:27 PM »

"President Marcos was a leader of phenomenal global vision. He dreamed of greatness and relentlessly pursued its realization. He was a man ahead of his time. Perhaps this is the reason he was often misunderstood and unappreciated at that time. He will be remembered as the greatest Filipino law-giver after the winds of hatred and vengeance shall have flown away."

The statements above was quoted by Atty. Lolong Lazaro and he has an opinion about Marcos as a "dreamer of greatness". You also opined about Marcos a "dreamer" but because of hatred you are making him a megalomaniac deluded with fantasies of power, wealth and omnipotence.

I have dreams and you have dreams... we are all dreamers in this world because without dreams there is no idealism.

Others stumble and fail but Marcos did not... as Atty. Lolong Lazaro said; "Marcos dreamed and relentlessly pursued its realization." As a young soldier he received the most coveted Philippine Medal of Valor. Generals MacArthur and Wainwright were not stupid to award medals to a megalomaniac. Apart from being a soldier he turned politician and became a congressman, senator and eventually the president of the Philippines.

Comparing Marcos to Himmler or Hitler? You are being too dishonest to yourself because you know and we know that Marcos did not murder 6 million Jews. After WW-2 an international court was created to try those who committed crimes against humanity. He should have been tried in the Hague but he was not because I believe your opinion is only a product of your imagination. Dream on... without dreams there is no idealism.

As time goes by so also its healing period. I know Marcos will be vindicated by history. Two hundred new breed of legislators voted to let Marcos be buried in the LNMB but twenty or thirty years from now another set of generation will come to replace us free from the blemishes of hatred, prejudice, calumny, envy and vengeance... and will look at Marcos with honor and dignity. All the indignities befallen to his name will have to come to pass. He will be remembered kindly.

WN

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hubag bohol · « **Reply #30 on:** May 29, 2011, 08:57:53 PM »

The fact that â€œMarcos did not murder 6 million Jewsâ€ and that â€œtwo hundred new breed of legislators voted to let Marcos be buried in the LNMBâ€ does not make Marcos any less of a megalomaniac and a criminal.

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Way Nada · « **Reply #31 on:** May 29, 2011, 09:06:59 PM »

so did hitler have followers and supporters. and they were not idiots.

So Ramos, Enrile and the whole military establishment once followed a leader who was an idiot. Ninety nine percent of the laws decreed by Marcos are still in effect until today. Marcos is long gone in Philippine politics but his laws and legacies linger on.

WN

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Way Nada · « **Reply #32 on:** May 29, 2011, 09:20:15 PM »

The fact that â€œMarcos did not murder 6 million Jewsâ€ and that â€œtwo hundred new breed of legislators voted to let Marcos be buried in the LNMBâ€ does not make Marcos any less of a megalomaniac and a criminal.

You admitted that he is not comparable to Himmler and Hitler. The idea that he is a megalomaniac and a criminal I believe cannot be erased from your mind; which is why I said that after us a new generation of Filipinos will come free from the blemishes of hatred, prejudice, calumny, envy and vengeance... and the time of healing will begin. Thanks for engaging you in this discussion.

WN

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hubag bohol · « **Reply #33 on:** May 29, 2011, 09:24:52 PM »

The fact that you say that "you admitted that he is not comparable to Himmler and Hitlerâ€ and that â€œafter us a new generation of Filipinos will come free from the blemishes of hatred, prejudice, calumny, envy and vengeanceâ€ does not make Marcos any less of a megalomaniac and a criminal.

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islander · « **Reply #34 on:** May 29, 2011, 10:47:48 PM »

So Ramos, Enrile and the whole military establishment once followed a leader who was an idiot.

your conclusion. i don't think anyone here ever said that marcos was an idiot until this particular post of yours.

Ninety nine percent of the laws decreed by Marcos are still in effect until today. Marcos is long gone in Philippine politics but his laws and legacies linger on.

this is a repeated ad nauseam anthem quoting lazaro... funny that if this were so, and it was so, your great author of laws himself deigned not to obey his own laws judging from the crimes of plunder, never mind murder, that he's accused of. besides, it's not as if he was a pioneer of lawmaking by inventing those laws for the first time. sure, these linger on, including his legacies, good and bad, and rightly so, these being a part of our history as a nation. for good or ill.

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #35 on:** May 29, 2011, 11:19:32 PM »

With the recent acquisition of the new BRP Gregorio Del Pilar, the newest addition to the Philippine Navy, and the largest ship in the fleet, the fresh wind of 'modernization' comes to the Philippine Armed Forces.

A picture of the RADAR system of the new BRP Gregorio Del Pilar.

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #36 on:** May 29, 2011, 11:23:53 PM »

The newly acquired Philippine Naval Ship. This will be the largest ship in the Philippine Navy, and was the largest ship of the United States Coast Guard before it was sold to the Philippine Navy.

This ship , if refitted with modern anti air missiles , anti ship missiles, anti submarine missile capability, will be feared by the enemies of the Philippine Navy.

Ambassador Jose L. Cuisia, Jr. (8th from the right) and Consul General Marciano A. Paynor, Jr. (8th from the left) together with Philippine Navy officers and crew aboard the newly-acquired vessel.

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hubag bohol · « **Reply #37 on:** May 31, 2011, 09:21:01 AM »

Kini na lang kaha kay ang maintenance seguradong kaya sa budget...

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #38 on:** June 01, 2011, 04:26:24 PM »

one man fighting ship? ha ha ha

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