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« Reply #40 on: February 12, 2009, 02:48:41 PM »
a, mao diay nay gitudlo sa injo nga kung pasayloon, nay "apan" or condition as manifested by your "apan dunay silot" posting above.

di man mi ingun-ana sa amo, so don't impose your practices sa amu. to each his own lang sa ta run.

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« Reply #41 on: February 12, 2009, 03:12:15 PM »
TY, Lorenzo  for your very lucid letter. What I mean illusive is "clear". It should not be illusive but ' lucid."  Sorry Brod Lorenzo
TY Brod calle for the correction.

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« Reply #42 on: February 12, 2009, 03:16:44 PM »
From an online dictionary:

Adj. 1. illusive - based on or having the nature of an illusion; "illusive hopes of finding a better job"; "Secret activities offer presidents the alluring but often illusory promise that they can achieve foreign policy goals without the bothersome debate and open decision that are staples of democracy"

illusory

unreal - lacking in reality or substance or genuineness; not corresponding to acknowledged facts or criteria; "ghosts and other unreal entities"; "unreal propaganda serving as news"

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« Reply #43 on: February 12, 2009, 03:21:50 PM »
calle, pareho uroy ta'g gibasa! hahahaha



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« Reply #44 on: February 12, 2009, 03:25:09 PM »
Reading this thread, I am called to read the Psalms.

And there is a verse in scripture that best ends this talk:

Blessed is the one whose transgression is forgiven,
whose sin is covered.
Blessed is the man against whom the Lord counts no iniquity,
and in whose spirit there is no deceit.

For when I kept silent, my bones wasted away
through my groaning all day long.
For day and night your hand was heavy upon me;
my strength was dried up as by the heat of summer. Selah

I acknowledged my sin to you,
and I did not cover my iniquity;
I said, “I will confess my transgressions to the Lord,”
and you forgave the iniquity of my sin. Selah

Therefore let everyone who is godly
offer prayer to you at a time when you may be found;
surely in the rush of great waters,
they shall not reach him.
You are a hiding place for me;
you preserve me from trouble;
you surround me with shouts of deliverance. Selah
—Psalm 32:1-7


The mercy and forgiveness of The LORD is highest of all and cannot be fathomed by us, who are born sinners;

"as far as the east is from the west,
so far does he remove our transgressions from us."
—Psalm 103:12

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« Reply #45 on: February 12, 2009, 03:50:29 PM »
Brod calle, according to 1 John 1: 9, bisan unsa kabog-at ang atong sala, kita sa Dios pasayloon, apan duna siya'y mga pagsilot, kanang giingon "chasetisements" o mga paglatos kanato sama nga hatagan kita niya ug  mga sakit, mga mabug-at nga problema ug ubang mga kakulian sa atong kinabuhi.
 
Hebrews 12:5-11 (New King James Version)
5 And you have forgotten the exhortation which speaks to you as to sons:


      “ My son, do not despise the chastening of the LORD,
      Nor be discouraged when you are rebuked by Him;
       6 For whom the LORD loves He chastens,
      And scourges every son whom He receives.”[a]

7 If you endure chastening, God deals with you as with sons; for what son is there whom a father does not chasten? 8 But if you are without chastening, of which all have become partakers, then you are illegitimate and not sons. 9 Furthermore, we have had human fathers who corrected us, and we paid them respect. Shall we not much more readily be in subjection to the Father of spirits and live? 10 For they indeed for a few days chastened us as seemed best to them, but He for our profit, that we may be partakers of His holiness. 11 Now no chastening seems to be joyful for the present, but painful; nevertheless, afterward it yields the peaceable fruit of righteousness to those who have been trained by it.


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« Reply #46 on: February 12, 2009, 04:12:47 PM »
Sorry Brod Lorenzo and Brod calle for my mistake. THe correct word should be "lucid"
not illusive. Lucid means clear thought.

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« Reply #47 on: February 12, 2009, 04:14:04 PM »
There is no need to apologize. Speak! Make yourself known!

We are all gentlemen in this body politic.

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« Reply #48 on: February 12, 2009, 04:30:11 PM »
akoy nagsulti gelyan, palag? hehehe peace gelyan!

kung magtake ka sa imu vows sa civil wedding mamention ba diay si Father God?

aw, kung namention sya, i think i would agree gelyan nga naa na pud na syay blessing sa kahitas-an.

hehehe.. kaw calle ha..

ang government under baya na sa Law of Divine Establishment. sa preamble palang daan naa na gimention diha ang Almighty God. isa pa, maka initiate ba diay ang pari or pastor kung wala silay licensed nga mukasal gikan ra gihapon sa atong balaod.

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« Reply #49 on: February 12, 2009, 05:02:06 PM »
calle, pareho uroy ta'g gibasa! hahahaha

abtik mang-google grazie! hehehe

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« Reply #50 on: February 12, 2009, 05:11:56 PM »
Sorry Brod Lorenzo and Brod calle for my mistake. THe correct word should be "lucid"
not illusive. Lucid means clear thought.

nakasala ka sir felix as admitted. pero di ko muhatag ug "apan" sa akong pagpasaylo nimu sa imung kalapasan.

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« Reply #51 on: February 12, 2009, 05:29:49 PM »
hehehe.. kaw calle ha..

ang government under baya na sa Law of Divine Establishment. sa preamble palang daan naa na gimention diha ang Almighty God. isa pa, maka initiate ba diay ang pari or pastor kung wala silay licensed nga mukasal gikan ra gihapon sa atong balaod.

hhmmm wa pa man gud ko kaanha ug civil wedding. tungod siguro kay usually ang kumbira toa man sa church wedding.

do you mean gelyan nga indirect ang intervention ni Father God because the priest/pastor obtained its authority from the law passed in accordance with the Constitution which provides for its preamble the words "Almighty God"?

Anyway, the authority of the priest/pastor to solemnize marriages granted by the State is relevant only when we talk about the law.

But when we talk about the Church and its relationship with the faithful, the authority of the priest granted by the Church is enough though legally, it is not binding. in other words, valid in the eyes of God, but not before men.

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« Reply #52 on: February 12, 2009, 05:45:33 PM »
That is true, as a civil union before the law is predicated by means in a secular society. Civil unions are based on lawful union, for the benefit of the said spouses for benefit in taxes, in health care benefits, etc.

That is the very reason why we have civil union in one hand and a church-based wedding in the other. For the accustomed, it is observable to have a civil union first, in order to have legal notification an legalization of said union, and then have a church-based wedding afterwards, to solemnize the said oath before the eyes of God and Church.

Bright jud ka, Calle. :)




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« Reply #53 on: February 12, 2009, 05:48:37 PM »
I plead not guilty, dong!

but i don't think the facts are in my side.

LOL

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« Reply #54 on: February 12, 2009, 05:49:12 PM »
Addendum, even atheists can have civil unions. In fact, one of the reasons they choose civil unions is :
a) evasion of religious discourse and tradition
b) legal authentication of union and acquirement of benefits guaranteed by the act of union ergo, tax combination, financial reasons etc.
c) Secularization


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« Reply #55 on: February 12, 2009, 05:49:47 PM »
I plead not guilty, dong!

but i don't think the facts are in my side.

LOL

nabright na pud ko glacier!!!

Humility is a trait of intelligent men, Tito.

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« Reply #56 on: February 12, 2009, 05:57:32 PM »
Tito, bright gud ka kai taga Valencia gud. Bright jamo raba ning taga Valencia

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« Reply #57 on: February 12, 2009, 05:59:02 PM »
im neither humble nor intelligent dong. hehehe

maybe, i just stroke gold on the above postings which you also agree.

ikaw ang bright oi kay DOCTOR!!!

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« Reply #58 on: February 12, 2009, 06:00:32 PM »
Maluuy an Ginoo ma human ta sa studies.

Pero I must say, well defended posts, Tito.

I like how you stick to the topic, and maintain your defense. It's a sign of good character.

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« Reply #59 on: February 12, 2009, 06:06:00 PM »
Formality na lang ng pag eskwela nimu dong. wa pay valencianhon nga nahagbong ug  board sa medicine. LOL

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« Reply #60 on: February 12, 2009, 06:11:54 PM »
By His Grace, Tito.
By His Grace~

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« Reply #61 on: February 12, 2009, 06:18:14 PM »
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« Reply #62 on: February 12, 2009, 05:48:15 PM »
I plead not guilty, dong!

but i don't think the facts are in my side.

LOL

nabright na pud ko glacier!!!

sanabi ko na nga ba eh...hahaha. nitaas na man diay ning inyong kukabildo ani

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« Reply #63 on: February 13, 2009, 12:21:55 AM »
Absolutely, pare.

We are confident because we have the Love of Our Lord Jesus Christ in us. He loves us and we know he loves us. And we abound in HIS Love.

He loves me and I love him. That, in itself, is enough to sustain us.

We are proud for the Love of Our Lord has On Us.


By His Grace, we overcome and we achieve. In His Mighty Name, there is no impossibilities. The impossibilities become possibilities. The Grace of God Almighty Our Father was strong enough to raise his Only Begotten Son, Jesus, from the dead and into Heaven. What more do you think His grace can do for us? We Are By His Grace.


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« Reply #64 on: February 13, 2009, 08:04:36 AM »

hhmmm wa pa man gud ko kaanha ug civil wedding. tungod siguro kay usually ang kumbira toa man sa church wedding.

do you mean gelyan nga indirect ang intervention ni Father God because the priest/pastor obtained its authority from the law passed in accordance with the Constitution which provides for its preamble the words "Almighty God"?

Anyway, the authority of the priest/pastor to solemnize marriages granted by the State is relevant only when we talk about the law.

But when we talk about the Church and its relationship with the faithful, the authority of the priest granted by the Church is enough though legally, it is not binding. in other words, valid in the eyes of God, but not before men.

hhmm.. ang akong gimean nga ang government established na sa Ginoo. Kung kaslon ka macivil or simbahan pareho lang para nako. ang kalahian ra naay ceremony ang naa sa church kay nagbase ta sa atong mga pre-conceived notions like walay blessing kung dili kaslon sa simbahan...kungbaga mao na ni atong namat-an sa atong mga kanuno nunoan.

kay kung magstorya man gud ta ug blessing wala man na sa simbahan or sa civil. kay naa man tay ginatawag nga common grace. bisan pa ug unbeliever na or believer makakaon ug makaginhawa ta. mao ni ang common grace.

ang issue nato calle kay kung naa bay blessing or wala ang kaslon sa civil. kung established sa Ginoo ang government nato naa gud blessing ang magpakasal ug civil.
mao ra gud pud na akong ikashare. hehe i-asa man pud ng kaslon sa simbahan unya walay pagsalig sa Ginoo common grace ra sya taman. we live by faith and not by sight. ang ako lang balewala man ni God unsay makita sa mga mata sa tawo. ang importante niya kung unsa tong dili makita sa tao nga makalipay Niya. ;)




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« Reply #65 on: February 13, 2009, 08:13:01 AM »
Amen, gelyan!

hhmmm nag-civil wedding siguro ka noh kay murag very knowledgeable ka sa imu postings?

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« Reply #66 on: February 13, 2009, 08:19:28 AM »
good point here, gelyan. grace is everywhere. common grace, as you said. but grace is also personal. which means that grace is not only inherent in creation but also it is given to those who seek in a responsible personal level. for example, to breath is a common grace, which is present in every living creature, human esp. but to care our lungs to be able to breath perfectly is every person's responsibility. that's what i call personal grace. well, i may out of the topic here. i just wanna share my thought on this. this is just my personal take. peace.

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« Reply #67 on: February 13, 2009, 08:20:31 AM »
na koy auntie ngan grace! YAHOO!

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« Reply #68 on: February 13, 2009, 08:22:15 AM »
na koy auntie ngan grace! YAHOO!

whahahahaha...akong giangyan mary grace pod.

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« Reply #69 on: February 13, 2009, 08:22:21 AM »
Amen, gelyan!

hhmmm nag-civil wedding siguro ka noh kay murag very knowledgeable ka sa imu postings?

hahaha.uu korek calle.conflict lagi sa religion mao nga para way samok civil mao rang storyaha.

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« Reply #70 on: February 13, 2009, 08:23:19 AM »
hahahaha.. unsa na grace in the name? lol

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« Reply #71 on: February 13, 2009, 08:23:35 AM »
hahaha.uu korek calle.conflict lagi sa religion mao nga para way samok civil mao rang storyaha.

ang priority, gel, magkasinabot ug malipayon mo. happy married life.

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« Reply #72 on: February 13, 2009, 08:25:11 AM »
BARAYT jud ko da.

ok ra na oi. wa man nawa nimu "bisan" civil lang ang kasal, di ba?

ug nay muingon nimu nga wa toy blessing imu civil wedding, ingna nga gi-blessingan na mo ni st. zosimo calle de valencia! LOL

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« Reply #73 on: February 13, 2009, 08:28:12 AM »
BARAYT jud ko da.

ok ra na oi. wa man nawa nimu "bisan" civil lang ang kasal, di ba?

ug nay muingon nimu nga wa toy blessing imu civil wedding, ingna nga gi-blessingan na mo ni st. zosimo calle de valencia! LOL

briayt, nya, not greedy. karon, na-SANTOS na jud. hahaha.

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« Reply #74 on: February 13, 2009, 08:51:51 AM »
glacier: nasayop diay na, dapat ma-hero pa ko usa ko masantos!

gelyan: grace iya name. LOL

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« Reply #75 on: February 13, 2009, 08:57:23 AM »
na koy auntie ngan grace! YAHOO!

Ug ako pod si Grace! hehehe

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« Reply #76 on: February 13, 2009, 08:59:02 AM »
glacier: nasayop diay na, dapat ma-hero pa ko usa ko masantos!

gelyan: grace iya name. LOL

nanglangtod ka...ato sa una ka itupad og bayaw ni Dagohoy, unya pa itupad og bayaw ni San Pedro. ahaha

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« Reply #77 on: February 13, 2009, 09:00:30 AM »
Ug ako pod si Grace! hehehe

tinuod jud ning grace si Grace kay maayo ning tawo.

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Re: Married Catholic Priest
« Reply #78 on: February 13, 2009, 09:01:22 AM »
gikapoy na ko interner. gawas sa ko sa tb kay na koy deadline.

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Re: Married Catholic Priest
« Reply #79 on: February 13, 2009, 09:03:41 AM »
tinuod jud ning grace si Grace kay maayo ning tawo.

hinaut unta I can live up to my name, glacier!  ;D

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