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History Confab A Historical Fiasco
« on: October 25, 2009, 06:52:40 AM »
We just received a very sad report from several teachers who expressed extreme disgust over Bohol's hosting of a history-related national conference, which was concluded last Saturday, Oct. 24, 2009.

According to the neglected participants, they have a very bad impression on Bohol because of the lamentable way the conference was organized and because of the disgusting treatment they got from organizers (read: disgusting food served).

There were several serious issues raised by history teachers - all coming from various schools/colleges/universities in the Philippines. (If you are one of the participants/teachers who paid 3,000 pesos for a two-day conference at Holy Name University (HNU), please register in this site and join the discussion).

1. Registration of 3,000 pesos (good for 2 days inclusive of lunch but without lodging) is too expensive and it wasn't worth it. No usher. No guide. A total mess.
2. Participants were not treated well.
3. No assistance given for their accommodation. Some ended up sleeping in a boarding house.
4. They were served with disgusting food packed in a poor paper bag (can't afford to buy a paper plate?). The worst thing was that the juice was served through a water jug and it was not even a juice drink but a colored water disguised as fruit juice (?).
5. Many of the participants left Bohol on the first day of the conference. Disgusted.
6. Many of the participants did not receive a conference kit.
7. The venue was held in a small room at HNU. They expected it'd be held in a more convenient area (Bohol Tropics, perhaps).
8. History teachers, history instructors from various universities in the Philippines who were interviewed alleged that the conference was nothing but a money-making venture?

More than 97 percent of the participants had rated the conference as "very poor", as revealed in a feedback survey distributed to history teachers/professors after the conference.

HNU, NHI, and NCCA have a lot of explaining to do.

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Re: Teachers Disgusted Over Bohol Hosting of National History Conference
« Reply #1 on: October 25, 2009, 12:02:39 PM »
Oi,naunsa man ni. Wa matarong nig organize ug plano.Kalooy pud sa mga maestra.

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Re: Teachers Disgusted Over Bohol Hosting of National History Conference
« Reply #2 on: October 25, 2009, 05:17:48 PM »
Headline should read-- History confab a historical fiasco

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Re: History Confab A Historical Fiasco
« Reply #3 on: October 25, 2009, 05:32:30 PM »
Headline should read-- History confab a historical fiasco

Perfect suggestion, Ben. Headline is changed. Thanks Ben!

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Re: History Confab A Historical Fiasco
« Reply #4 on: October 25, 2009, 06:44:11 PM »
Congratulations to the organizers, pahingi nga ng balato!

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Re: History Confab A Historical Fiasco
« Reply #5 on: October 25, 2009, 10:37:22 PM »

My guess is: the fact that they only booked a small room for the conference would indicate that they were expecting a small number of delegates--only those historians whose works caused the revision of history books, removal of historical markers or creating new ones. Perhaps publicizing it was a mistake. Daghan na hinoon mitambong nga mga history teachers. You know na baya what will happen if Bohol and venue. Apparently, the organizers filed to anticipate this would happen.

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Re: History Confab A Historical Fiasco
« Reply #6 on: October 26, 2009, 01:21:11 AM »
Bisan unsa pa ang palosot, guba na ang reputation as host.

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Re: History Confab A Historical Fiasco
« Reply #7 on: October 26, 2009, 02:16:32 AM »
pakauwaw lang jud

gatoo man tingali ning mga tawhana (organizers) nga meeting lang sa dajong ning ilang gibuhat, kay pwede rag adto ilawom sa manga ang tigum ug duhulan lag basong gibang aron sudlan sa kape ang nanambong. hahaha. 

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Re: History Confab A Historical Fiasco
« Reply #8 on: October 26, 2009, 10:26:04 AM »
Who will be held responsible? Of course the organizers..And who were the organizers??????

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Re: History Confab A Historical Fiasco
« Reply #9 on: October 26, 2009, 10:36:29 AM »
I had a copy of this thread printed out and gave it to an agency in the provincial gov't to have them look into it and to contact the institution and the organizers to find out what happened. The furor is "bad for business". The Boholanos have worked hard to earn a good name and this thing happens! This needs looking into and I will talk to some of our fellow media practitioners that they might also look into...   

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Re: History Confab A Historical Fiasco
« Reply #10 on: October 26, 2009, 10:53:29 AM »
.....publicisng was a mistake....so theres should be no annoucements regarding this conference....duhhh ??? ??? ???....halerrrr......

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Re: History Confab A Historical Fiasco
« Reply #11 on: October 26, 2009, 11:55:00 AM »
We just received a very sad report from several teachers who expressed extreme disgust over Bohol's hosting of a history-related national conference, which was concluded last Saturday, Oct. 24, 2009.

According to the neglected participants, they have a very bad impression on Bohol because of the lamentable way the conference was organized and because of the disgusting treatment they got from organizers (read: disgusting food served).

There were several serious issues raised by history teachers - all coming from various schools/colleges/universities in the Philippines. (If you are one of the participants/teachers who paid 3,000 pesos for a two-day conference at Holy Name University (HNU), please register in this site and join the discussion).

1. Registration of 3,000 pesos (good for 2 days inclusive of lunch but without lodging) is too expensive and it wasn't worth it. No usher. No guide. A total mess.
2. Participants were not treated well.
3. No assistance given for their accommodation. Some ended up sleeping in a boarding house.
4. They were served with disgusting food packed in a poor paper bag (can't afford to buy a paper plate?). The worst thing was that the juice was served through a water jug and it was not even a juice drink but a colored water disguised as fruit juice (?).
5. Many of the participants left Bohol on the first day of the conference. Disgusted.
6. Many of the participants did not receive a conference kit.
7. The venue was held in a small room at HNU. They expected it'd be held in a more convenient area (Bohol Tropics, perhaps).
8. History teachers, history instructors from various universities in the Philippines who were interviewed alleged that the conference was nothing but a money-making venture?

More than 97 percent of the participants had rated the conference as "very poor", as revealed in a feedback survey distributed to history teachers/professors after the conference.

HNU, NHI, and NCCA have a lot of explaining to do.

Unsa man na news ni? Unsa man katinuod ning istoryaha? Ngana na ba jod ka barat ang atong HNU? Is the source just word of mouth? How reliable is this source? Just want to hear more before ko moingog: hmmmm  ??? Hehehe...

Anyway, dugangig footnotes beh...

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Re: History Confab A Historical Fiasco
« Reply #12 on: October 26, 2009, 12:19:54 PM »
As I had just earlier mentioned I forwarded this info to an organization that has the authority to delve into this matter and will also refer it to my media friends once I can get the organization's investigation results which may determine whether or not I need to write an article in the local papers...

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Re: History Confab A Historical Fiasco
« Reply #13 on: October 26, 2009, 12:29:18 PM »
I had a talk with some of the teachers who participated in the conference, and what they told me is worse than what you read here.

What saddened me is that they now have a wrong impression on Bohol and the Bol-anons. And we cannot stop people from having that kind of impression because many of them were first-timers in our province. I told them that if it was the Provincial Government that organized the event, things could have been done better.

But I wonder whether the Provincial Government would charge 3,000 pesos for a 2-day talk.

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« Reply #14 on: October 26, 2009, 12:52:03 PM »
BAI, if it were the Provincial Government that handled the event unya waly laing organizer, the participants would have been treated to site visits of historical landmarks, the Tarsier sanctuary and the Loboc River Cruise at least basta ang accomoodation dili lang sa Tropics but at some medyo lower priced function room or convention area pagka ngalan nga dili taga dinhi ang mga participants. Pero duda ko anang perti naka pangawarta ang ga-organize ana mao nang bulilyaso. Maayo nang masuta gyud og kinsay mga entities involved ana...

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Re: History Confab A Historical Fiasco
« Reply #15 on: October 26, 2009, 01:07:26 PM »
i suggest we forward this to ambeth ocampo, chair of nhi. he is a very good public servant.

maayo pa ako APEC Financial Regulators Training sa Asian Development Bank last week, attended by centralbankers and securities regulators from 15 countries around asia, smooth sailing pa though we were held in the lobby for some time because our registration papers did not reach ADB.

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« Reply #16 on: October 26, 2009, 02:23:28 PM »
I dont believe that any gov't agency that would organize an event such as seminars and conferences would charge fees to the participants.
In fact I had attended gov't sponsored seminars, sila pa ang baghatag ug allowance......

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« Reply #17 on: October 26, 2009, 02:40:51 PM »
i think the 3k was only for the conference kit ( cd, materials etc) and for lunch/snacks for 2 days. other expenses will be shouldered by the participant of the conference.

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« Reply #18 on: October 26, 2009, 03:33:39 PM »
maybe it´s a "coference for a cause" a fund raising.

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« Reply #19 on: October 26, 2009, 03:35:11 PM »
First of all thanks to Zecurb for putting an action. it is clear that the organizers are amateurs, why they did not ask for some professional help?
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« Reply #20 on: October 26, 2009, 03:35:31 PM »
i think the 3k was only for the conference kit ( cd, materials etc) and for lunch/snacks for 2 days. other expenses will be shouldered by the participant of the conference.

Yes, for snacks. A participant told me that their snack was piniritong saging. Mao ga-complain sila nga they paid 3,000 pesos pero gimantinilan lang daw sila ug saging. I don't know pila ka dawin saging pud. Maayo nalang kay dili ginanggang nga saging.

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« Reply #22 on: October 26, 2009, 06:36:07 PM »
Pila raman bitaw pud ang maabot sa 3,000 pero kompyansa mo ang saging karon mahal naman pud. Di siguro moreklamo ang nang attend ug gipasnck pa to pan sa goldilock.

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« Reply #23 on: October 26, 2009, 07:34:12 PM »
I dont believe that any gov't agency that would organize an event such as seminars and conferences would charge fees to the participants.
In fact I had attended gov't sponsored seminars, sila pa ang baghatag ug allowance......

BAI! Ing-ani ni siya. Kon ang government agency dili mo-charge, naay laing organization nga ga-shoulder or ga-sponsor sa expenses sa activity. Dili madalag libre na siya unless kong maybe  ten or fewer  ang number of participants kay makaya ra tingali sa budget.

I can attest to this because I have also been sent and continually being sent to trainings/conventions/seminars/conferences and many others wherein which the main organizers are either LGUs or other gov't agencies and so far kaning libre unya dawat limpyo ang participnats unya naa pay allowance, pamilete nga back&forth + bongga pa nga kits and other freebies naa ni silay sponsors nga dagku unya multi-national or international pa. Sponsors such as USAID, AusAID, UNESCO, UNFPA, GREENPEACE, World Bank, World Vision are among a few of them. Even NGOs here in Bohol know of that.

Ang wala pa nako masulayi ang kanang outside of the country pa (although last year hapit unta kaso lang wala ko modayon kay wala koy personal pocket money ika gasto pang lakwatsa... ;D ;D ;D

Anyway, if the provincial government was also officially informed and tapped of that activity then mahitsura gyud to kay maulawan baya pud ta og ma unshami...   

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Re: History Confab A Historical Fiasco
« Reply #24 on: October 26, 2009, 07:39:40 PM »
Pila raman bitaw pud ang maabot sa 3,000 pero kompyansa mo ang saging karon mahal naman pud. Di siguro moreklamo ang nang attend ug gipasnck pa to pan sa goldilock.

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« Reply #25 on: October 26, 2009, 07:57:13 PM »
what a shame for something like this to happen. as has been mentioned, the blame belongs to the organizers who at this point has not yet been fully and clearly identified, only implied. is it HNU? kung sila man, then they should be made to explain.

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« Reply #26 on: October 26, 2009, 08:33:14 PM »
Hala karon pako kabantay nga naisipyat ag gender. What I meant is that I root for the "PALAKERA" - Female version sa laking bergatot..hehehehe... ;D :D ;D :D

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« Reply #27 on: October 26, 2009, 08:35:31 PM »
Hala karon pako kabantay nga naisipyat ag gender. What I meant is that I root for the "PALAKERA" - Female version sa laking bergatot..hehehehe... ;D :D ;D :D

OOOPPPSSSS BIG BOOBOO this message is for another thread. Nasimyat!!! Toa wala man gud magbantay...soyi

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« Reply #28 on: October 26, 2009, 09:45:24 PM »
Yes, for snacks. A participant told me that their snack was piniritong saging. Mao ga-complain sila nga they paid 3,000 pesos pero gimantinilan lang daw sila ug saging. I don't know pila ka dawin saging pud. Maayo nalang kay dili ginanggang nga saging.

Maayo unta kung kadto pang BBQ saging baligya atbang sa Holy Spirit - kadtong yellowish - maoy ge offer sa confab participants kay "to die for" jud tong mga saginga. Paresag coke naaaaaah daug na. Unya usab napod pagka ugma. Worth two days gyod hehehe.

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« Reply #29 on: October 26, 2009, 10:07:33 PM »
Yes, for snacks. A participant told me that their snack was piniritong saging. Mao ga-complain sila nga they paid 3,000 pesos pero gimantinilan lang daw sila ug saging. I don't know pila ka dawin saging pud. Maayo nalang kay dili ginanggang nga saging.
Saman pud ning mga participants ani murag nag focus raman sila sa snacks dapat ilang gi reklamo dili ni.Ug nakalearn sila daghan history so worth ila money. Mike ug gipasnacks pa ni sila sa saging ginanggang part of history man pud ni kay sa wa pa mauso ang oil ginanggang ang uso sa mga sinaunang ninono nato. Basta di dapat ni reklamohon kay sa tinuod lang mahal na ang saging karon. Ug gihatagan to sila ug mga DVD ug ubang learning tools so bawi to ilang gibayad nga 3000.

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« Reply #30 on: October 26, 2009, 10:57:32 PM »
Di kaha laag/suroy-suroy sud sa huna2x sa mga non-Boholano participants mao nang disappointed sila kaayo kay wa sila isuroy sa ilang organizers? I'm just asking. Morag lami tong imong perspective Day RAQ. Besides our drive for good tourism, many groups (both government and non-governmental) choose Bohol kay nahan sila molaag sa ilang mga nakita kabahin sa Bohol almost everywhere: magazine, news, tv, TFC, etc. Sikat na jud tinuod ang Bohol. And that alone messes up any plan because of HIGH EXPECTATION... the bottomline line of which is "all about laag." Mao nang gimahalan sila sa 3K kay wa kalaag hehehe. Like the initial complaint: saging ra tawon ilaha! Mangil rag attend ug seminar nang uban, bwahaha (jok!)

Another question: apil ba ang plete nila sa 3K? I already heard food and lodging weren't included.

More facts please kay ato ni tabangag malmal... day off nako I have all the time  ;D

Anyway, my inital "ergo" is: Bohol is safe. Bohol is Bohol. Nothing's changed. Reputation intact. Kung di na sila moanha sa Bohol, better, we'll keep Bohol for ourselves. But of course, that won't happen. Bohol's exploding so much it can't be contained NO MORE! Dili mo motoo?

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Re: History Confab A Historical Fiasco
« Reply #31 on: October 26, 2009, 11:03:33 PM »
why not file charges in the proper forum, to find out the people behind this scam. these unscropulous people have no doubt casted aspersions to the good name 'we've made for Bohol .
We just received a very sad report from several teachers who expressed extreme disgust over Bohol's hosting of a history-related national conference, which was concluded last Saturday, Oct. 24, 2009.

According to the neglected participants, they have a very bad impression on Bohol because of the lamentable way the conference was organized and because of the disgusting treatment they got from organizers (read: disgusting food served).

There were several serious issues raised by history teachers - all coming from various schools/colleges/universities in the Philippines. (If you are one of the participants/teachers who paid 3,000 pesos for a two-day conference at Holy Name University (HNU), please register in this site and join the discussion).

1. Registration of 3,000 pesos (good for 2 days inclusive of lunch but without lodging) is too expensive and it wasn't worth it. No usher. No guide. A total mess.
2. Participants were not treated well.
3. No assistance given for their accommodation. Some ended up sleeping in a boarding house.
4. They were served with disgusting food packed in a poor paper bag (can't afford to buy a paper plate?). The worst thing was that the juice was served through a water jug and it was not even a juice drink but a colored water disguised as fruit juice (?).
5. Many of the participants left Bohol on the first day of the conference. Disgusted.
6. Many of the participants did not receive a conference kit.
7. The venue was held in a small room at HNU. They expected it'd be held in a more convenient area (Bohol Tropics, perhaps).
8. History teachers, history instructors from various universities in the Philippines who were interviewed alleged that the conference was nothing but a money-making venture?

More than 97 percent of the participants had rated the conference as "very poor", as revealed in a feedback survey distributed to history teachers/professors after the conference.

HNU, NHI, and NCCA have a lot of explaining to do.

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Re: History Confab A Historical Fiasco
« Reply #32 on: October 27, 2009, 01:53:15 AM »
I had a copy of this thread printed out and gave it to an agency in the provincial gov't to have them look into it and to contact the institution and the organizers to find out what happened. The furor is "bad for business". The Boholanos have worked hard to earn a good name and this thing happens! This needs looking into and I will talk to some of our fellow media practitioners that they might also look into...    

Good thing to do, Bay. I was a participant in that seminar and I witnessed many participants returning their packed lunch angry and disgusted. Naulaw gyud kog maayo, being Bol-anon. Lunch last Friday (October 23, 2009): chopsuey nga five thin slices of sayote and one thin slice of carrot and one kutsarita of sabaw, no meat; three very very small chops of fried chicken, pwede kas-a ra ihungit; one side of a fried bangus' head, cut to the puuk kaayo, with only one kusnit left sa tangkugo nga bahin; and macaroni nga uga; tetrapack juice nga walay straw, ako pay nangita, ug way nakit-an so wala mainom. A teacher from Silliman blurted, "I don't give this kind of food to my househelp. Unsay pagtoo ninyo namo evacuees?" Terrible jud bitaw ang food. Kon paliton to elsewhere, tagP20 ra jud tingali to. Actual price was reportedly P140. Cramped pud ang room. Separate ang caterer sa lunch ug sa snacks. Just the same, poor quality gihapon ang snacks.   

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Re: History Confab A Historical Fiasco
« Reply #33 on: October 27, 2009, 01:59:27 AM »
Third day was spent for Lakbay Aral para sa mga interested lang. They charged an additional fee of P500 inclusive of transportation and food, probably sa Loboc River Cruise. Magbalik-balik pa gyud sa akong hunahuna ang the worst seminar food ever (i.e. lunch of Oct. 22 and 23).

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Re: History Confab A Historical Fiasco
« Reply #34 on: October 27, 2009, 02:13:04 AM »
The kit:

Beautifully woven romblon bag (it could be worth P300)
One old issue of a history journal (compilation of early '90s research)
October 2009 issue of a newsletter of the Philippine Historical Society
CD of all the papers presented

OK man ang mga topics. For a non-historian/non-teacher like me, there were lots of "new' information. Venue and food lang gyud ang major minus points.


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Re: History Confab A Historical Fiasco
« Reply #35 on: October 27, 2009, 02:36:58 AM »
Di man tingali pod mga ugok tong nang-attend sa conference kay di sila maka-bantay nga di jud pod makiangayon ang ilang nadawat kung itandi sa ilang gibayad.

pagkaon gibutang lang og paper bag, ug juice nga dili tinood, grabe naman sad. sa pagkatinood, makapalit pa kag saging pinalutaw nga di moabot og 10 pesos. kabalo ko ana kay bag-o lang ko nauli sa ato ug banana-q akong sige og snaks sa ato.

bisan tingali og wala isuroy ning mga tawhana sa Bohol, dili ni sila mahisagmuyo kung hapsay ug makiangayon lang unta pod ang ilang nadawat.

ako lang pangutana, unsa man diay unod sa invitation letters nga gipadala sa mga gustong mutambong?

klaro kaayo nga adunay miscommunication tali sa mga organizers ug sa mga participants, ilabina sa pagpahiluna sa ilang accommodations. dako jud ning tamparos nato kay giila ra ba jud ta nga "hospitable" nga pagka-tawo.

ug kung naka-ako ang uban sa pagbiya sa unang adlaw pa lang sa seminar, nagpasabot nga ang kwarta dili maoy dakong isyu, kundi ang kuwang sa kahapsay ug ka-walay maayong kabobot-on niadtong nangimbitar. wala hunahuna sa mga organizers unsa kaimportante ang pagtambong ug kung kinsa man galing kadtong nanambong.  >:(



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Re: History Confab A Historical Fiasco
« Reply #36 on: October 27, 2009, 03:20:54 AM »
Salamat Koddi kay imo jud ning giklaro isip tua present didto. Sumaa sa imong giingon kauwawon jud diay ni kay di lang snacks ang issue kundi ang kinatibok ang pagkaon. Ug ingon ani na raman gani ang sagputan maayo pag wala nalang nila iapil ang kaon sa gibayran.Pero damage had been done.
Mao ni giingon ug gi underestimate sa organizer. Dako jud ning kauwawon dili lang natong bol-anon samot na ang organizer.Ug maohon man gani dapat iuli to nila ang kwarta oi.Kuhaan lang tong kwarta gitampo sa mga nadawat nilang learning tools ug uban pa pero iuli tong uban kay sumaa pa wa magkadimao ang kaon. Ug akoy organizer  iuli nako ang kwarta bahala ug akoy managot sa gasto adtong pagkaong tinihik.
Emailan kaha nako ang HNU magyawyaw ko didto?katilaw jud ni sila.Aw mangutana sa ko una kinsay organizer adto dayon ingnon nako iuli ang kwarta kay di ni maayo.

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Re: History Confab A Historical Fiasco
« Reply #37 on: October 27, 2009, 03:26:57 AM »
Salamat Koddi kay imo jud ning giklaro isip tua present didto. Sumaa sa imong giingon kauwawon jud diay ni kay di lang snacks ang issue kundi ang kinatibok ang pagkaon. Ug ingon ani na raman gani ang sagputan maayo pag wala nalang nila iapil ang kaon sa gibayran.Pero damage had been done.
Mao ni giingon ug gi underestimate sa organizer. Dako jud ning kauwawon dili lang natong bol-anon samot na ang organizer.Ug maohon man gani dapat iuli to nila ang kwarta oi.Kuhaan lang tong kwarta gitampo sa mga nadawat nilang learning tools ug uban pa pero iuli tong uban kay sumaa pa wa magkadimao ang kaon. Ug akoy organizer  iuli nako ang kwarta bahala ug akoy managot sa gasto adtong pagkaong tinihik.
Emailan kaha nako ang HNU magyawyaw ko didto?katilaw jud ni sila.Aw mangutana sa ko una kinsay organizer adto dayon ingnon nako iuli ang kwarta kay di ni maayo.

hala Raqs pag hurimintado dadto jahehe³ btw. HNU product pod ka?

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Re: History Confab A Historical Fiasco
« Reply #38 on: October 27, 2009, 04:24:06 AM »
Salamat Sir Koddi sa imong dugang nga information. Do you happen to know who organized the whole thing? Was HNU one of them o venue ra sila? Do they have good facilities? O basin classrooms ra poy ge offer...

As far as food is concerned, in fairness sige kog kaon sa Cogon (kilid-kilid) dili naman ka makapalit ug mosibo sa P20, kay usang pirasong paag manok (niwang pajod) already cost P20, wa pay labot utan ug sabaw nga imong iparis, usa ka tulingan, 'ja kan-on pajud ug soft drink. Balik na lang kos saging sa Holy Spirit kay nahan ko ato...

Somebody should look into this!

Ajo patong National Confab sa mga Public Librarians in 2007 ba to (according to Bohol Chronicle) kay Bohol Tropics gyod ang venue. Mga taga Catigbian man gani de Bohol Tropics mag meeting2x sa Tagbilaran ehehehe.

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Re: History Confab A Historical Fiasco
« Reply #39 on: October 27, 2009, 04:29:22 AM »
It is impossible to rectify the error but we learn from the error and try not to let it happen again.

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