China Now Claims the Whole Philippines as Part of China

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Re: China Now Claims the Whole Philippines as Part of China
« Reply #20 on: May 12, 2012, 05:29:34 AM »
Kanang ubang naghupot ug pusil, daghan nila mosamot ug gara... labi nag maipit (LoL), perog wa ganiy da, lupig pay pisog it-it o lansijang  ;)

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Re: China Now Claims the Whole Philippines as Part of China
« Reply #21 on: May 12, 2012, 09:33:25 AM »
America can never help the Philippines. The US owes tens of trillions of dollars from China.

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Re: China Now Claims the Whole Philippines as Part of China
« Reply #22 on: May 12, 2012, 03:19:04 PM »
Basin ang America maoy gustong suwayan sa Tsina kung unsa gayod kadako ilang influence sa region... they're either bullying or bluffing  ???



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Re: China Now Claims the Whole Philippines as Part of China
« Reply #23 on: May 12, 2012, 03:31:50 PM »
Ang concern sa Amerika naa sa pagseguro nga magpadayon sila nga number one in the world militarily and economically. Ang Phl-US MDT usa lang sa baratohong mga instrumento aron mapatuman kining maong tinguha.

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Re: China Now Claims the Whole Philippines as Part of China
« Reply #24 on: May 15, 2012, 11:29:26 AM »
Kining gikabingkilan nga pulo mao ning gitawag ug "Scarborough Shoal". Kini walay tawo gapuyo ini ug mao ni gihimong "target practice bombing" sa mga merkano sa panahon nga diha pa ang military bases dinhi sa Pinas. Dool kaayo ni sa Zambales, Bataan ning [mga] islaha. Niadtong panahona wa jud moingon ang China nga amoa ang Scarborough Shoal. Wa sila mo-angkon ug wa'y gisuwat nga record nga hing-angkon sila ining islaha.

Karon mao ni ang nahitabo! Sa nahimong propesor sa UP si Jose Maria Sison iyang gi brainwashed ang iyang mga estudyante nga dautan ang pamaagi sa pamulitika sa Amerika ug komo kay kuno "itoy" man kuno ang mga Pinoy sa Amerika hing sunod kuno ta sa dautan nga pamulitika. Busa ang iyang tudlo sa mga estudyante sa panahon sa mga tuig 1960's nga kinahanglan makakat-on ang Pilipino sa panghuna-hunang pulitikanhon ni Lenin ug ni Mao Tse Tung. Tan-awa ra gud na!

Mao na ni karon nga sa hing kat-ag sa Pinas ang gitawag ug "romanticism" sa mga bata nga wa pa masakto ang ilang panghuna-huna sa pulitika ug migakos lang sila dayon sa usa ka pagtoong pulitikanhong komunista nga wa pa mamatud-i ug sakto ba kung  itandi sa demokrasya. Ang mga bata kaniadto gimaayo ug panton ang ilang huna-huna nga kita matud pa sa mga aktibista nga dili kuno nato kontra ang Tsina. Ang kontra kuno sa Tsina mao ang Amerika ug ang mga missile sa Tsina nakati-on na kuno sa Pilipinas tungod kay ang military bases nia man kuno sa Pilipinas. Mao ni gitawag ug "scare tactic" sa mga aktibista. Pareho karon ang "scare tactic" nila karon mao nang global warming.

Tuod man tungod sa maayong brainwashing nga gihimo nila mao nga nahimong isyu nga papahawa-on nato ang US bases. Ug kalingaw nato makita ang mga demonstrasyon ug rally batok sa mga Merkano. Ambot lang kung may nasayud ba kaninyo nga mo-abot sa Pilipinas ang ubang "leftist" sa tibook kalibutan para mo-uban sa rally.

Karon nga ming hawa na US bases nag pakita na karon ang Tsina sa iyang kabangis ug gusto na mangaw-kaw ug yuta nga dili iya. Ang pangutana; saa na man ang mga tawo nga gusto mopapahawa sa US Bases? Nganong dili man sila mag rally sa tugkaran sa Chines Embassy? Dili mahimo nila tungod kay ang China maoy hing tabang nila ug padala ug armas sa mga rebelde didto sa La Union sakay sa barkong M/S Karagatan.

Numdum mo ining hitaboa? Para ni Joma Sison mas maayo pang sakop ta sa insik kay sa mga Amerkano.

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Good points, Sir Way Nada. I would just like to reiterate that China will not fire the first shot, as it will not want to bring international arbitration into this situation, which it knows perfectly well will happen if it attacks the Philippines, considering the PH-USA MDT. Beijing knows that any war by proxy with the Philippines will be a war that will eventually invite the US Navy's powerful USN Pacific Command. At this time, China cannot sustain a conventional war with the United States Navy, especially the mobilization of 11 US Naval Carrier Battle Groups.

China's tactical and strategic policy , to its best interest right now, is to bide for time. Now is not the time for them to engage the US or any of the US' strategic allies, the Philippines is included in this fray. This will be rather interesting because the United States Armed Forces is now adopting a "Strategic Shift" to place emphasis and focus in the Asia-Pacific Region.

As far the Philippines is concerned, there will be no war with China. The two sides (The Philippine and China) should just resolve this issue diplomatically. The Philippines is 'untouchable' as it is protected by an American Nuclear Umbrella. The United States sacrificed 65,000 American boys to retake the Philippines from Imperial Japan in 1944 (tho it could have saved the men had it not retaken the Philippines and just "bypassed" it). America has a long-term interest in the Philippines, as a former-colony and also in terms of strategic interests. It will never allow a foreign power to threaten the Philippines.

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Re: China Now Claims the Whole Philippines as Part of China
« Reply #25 on: May 15, 2012, 11:33:05 AM »
Ang concern sa Amerika naa sa pagseguro nga magpadayon sila nga number one in the world militarily and economically. Ang Phl-US MDT usa lang sa baratohong mga instrumento aron mapatuman kining maong tinguha.

Absolutely correct. The United States will use this Philippines-Chinese standoff and milk it for all its money's worth. The United States will use this scenario to rebuild the tarnished Philippine-American military relationship , and by doing this, will inject itself into ASEAN state affairs as well as regionally.

The Chinese are foolish for  instigating the Philippines, by flexing their muscles, they have invited an unwanted power into the region again, The United States. With American military and economic interests in South Korea, Japan, Taiwan, the Philippines, Malaysia, Singapore, Thailand, and Australia, the Chinese have allowed themselves to be placed in a situation where they are being contained.

The geopolitical development in the region is quite interesting.

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Re: China Now Claims the Whole Philippines as Part of China
« Reply #26 on: May 15, 2012, 11:43:12 AM »

The US Navy Pacific Commands'  USS Ronald Reagan Carrier Strike Force travels through the Pacific Ocean with other ships assigned to Rim of the Pacific. This Super Carrier Strike Force patrols around the Philippine Waters in the Western Pacific. It will be mobilized and will steam towards the Philippines if China fires on a Philippine navy ship.

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Re: China Now Claims the Whole Philippines as Part of China
« Reply #27 on: May 15, 2012, 11:51:19 AM »

US Navy's Supercarrier USS Carl Vinson steams through the Surigao Strait, 2012.


USS Carl Vinson of the US Naval Pacific Command's 7th Fleet, deep inside Philippine Waters on regular patrol.


Republic of the Philippines President Benigno Aquino III discusses operations with Commander, Carrier Strike Group One Rear Adm. Samuel Perez in the Task Force Command Center aboard the Nimitz-class aircraft carrier USS Carl Vinson (CVN 70). Carl Vinson and Carrier Air Wing (CVW) 17 are currently underway in the U.S. 7th Fleet area of responsibility.


Republic of the Philippines President Benigno Aquino III meets Sailors and has his photo taken in the hangar bay aboard the Nimitz-class aircraft carrier USS Carl Vinson (CVN 70). Carl Vinson and Carrier Air Wing (CVW) 17 are currently underway in the U.S. 7th Fleet area of responsibility.


Commander, Carrier Strike Group One Rear Adm. Samuel Perez and Republic of the Philippines President Benigno Aquino III pose for a photo with Sailors inside the hangar bay aboard the Nimitz-class aircraft carrier USS Carl Vinson (CVN 70). Carl Vinson and Carrier Air Wing (CVW) 17 are currently underway in the U.S. 7th Fleet area of responsibility.

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« Reply #28 on: May 15, 2012, 04:12:01 PM »


Republic of the Philippines President Benigno Aquino III meets Sailors and has his photo taken in the hangar bay aboard the Nimitz-class aircraft carrier USS Carl Vinson (CVN 70). Carl Vinson and Carrier Air Wing (CVW) 17 are currently underway in the U.S. 7th Fleet area of responsibility.


Unsa man ni, "This one's for China?"  ;D



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Re: China Now Claims the Whole Philippines as Part of China
« Reply #29 on: May 15, 2012, 04:17:57 PM »
Mark this: di magdugay mokalit lang pod ug pamalit ug mga armas ang Pilipinas ug mga neighboring countries because of these developments. When that happens mo bahakhak napod ang America ug Tsina kay nakadaginot na pod silag laing "gyera is imperialism" business strategy in the region. Ang-ang mag Middle East ra, Afghanistan and part of Africa maoy marketing target. Why not US Allies pod like the Philippines? South Korea bitaw naa poy ilang para kulba gamay...    ;D 8)

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Re: China Now Claims the Whole Philippines as Part of China
« Reply #30 on: May 15, 2012, 06:19:01 PM »
war is truly good business.

History teaches that war begins when governments believe the price of aggression is cheap. (Ronald Reagan)

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Re: China Now Claims the Whole Philippines as Part of China
« Reply #31 on: May 15, 2012, 06:20:46 PM »
God is not on the side of the big battalions, but on the side of those who shoot best. (Voltaire)

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Re: China Now Claims the Whole Philippines as Part of China
« Reply #32 on: May 15, 2012, 11:47:27 PM »
God is not on the side of the big battalions, but on the side of those who shoot best. (Voltaire)

Correct!

In 1979, China sent in a force of over 150,000 troops to invade Vietnam because of Vietnam's toppling of the Khmer Rouge in Cambodia (incidentally, the Khmer Rouge were responsible for the genocide of over 2 Million of their own people; and incidentally, the CCP of China had backed and supported the Khmer Rouge-led by Pol Pot).

Because of the strategic situation Vietnam was in in that war, Vietnam had over 150,000 regular soldiers of its army in Cambodia fighting the Khmer Rouge and propelling them to the border of Thailand. China invaded Vietnam in an attempt to force the Vietnamese out of Cambodia. Vietnam knew of this, and so, kept in reserve the 300,000 of its regular troops in the defense of Hanoi , and had activated Vietnamese paramilitary units and militia to defend the provinces of Northern Vietnam against the oncoming Chinese Army.

Crack units of the Chinese PLA were reduced to tatters, and within less than a year, over 30,000 Chinese soldiers were killed by Vietnamese militia. The losses were so high for China that China had to save face and retreat out of Vietnam and declared a "unilateral" victory stating that China had "taught" a lesson to Vietnam and the was was over.

It is quite hilarious to think that the mighty PLA was incapable of taking Vietnam and even taking Hanoi. China sent in human wave tactics to Vietnam , and sending in its best soldiers, but were halted by mere militia.

The proverbial saying holds true, its not quantity that matters, but quality. In this case, China sent in quality and quantity, but still failed in its strategic and tactical goal. China invaded Vietnam in an attempt to force Vietnam out of Cambodia and to protect the Khmer Rouge Regime. Not only did China fail to prevent the topling of the Khmer Rouge, but Vietnam still maintains a strong influence in present day Cambodia as well as in neighbouring Communist Laos. In addition, China lost over 30,000 crack units of the PLA to mere militia. In 1 year, the PLA lost 3 divisions of men.  Of course, to the detriment of Chinese strategic interest in the Mekong Region.

An example of a failed forward policy. :)

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Re: China Now Claims the Whole Philippines as Part of China
« Reply #33 on: May 15, 2012, 11:56:05 PM »
Unsa man ni, "This one's for China?"  ;D



He he he ! Most of the sailors with him in that picture are Pinoy-Americans serving in the US Navy. Kining USS Carl Vinson, Father R, it is a nuclear-powered superaircraft carrier. This massive ship has over 6,000 soldiers inside of it. It has a contingent of some 3,000 Marines, some 60-90 attack air craft, point defense missile shields, anti-submarine capability. It serves as the nucleus of the Carl Vinson Carrier Battle Group of some 30 ships. The firepower that the USS Carl Vinson has is more powerful than half of the navies of the world combined. Thank goodness, this mighty beast is a protector of the Philippines.

I can only imagine the intimidation the Chinese must feel if they ever have the unfortunate circumstance of knowing their naval ships are being targetted by the Carl Vinson Carrier Battle Group.

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