Author Topic: British National Gruesomly Murdered In Tagbilaran City (Mansasa Dist.) (Read 97569 times)

rachael · « **Reply #240 on:** April 15, 2009, 03:14:28 AM »

you are right i know i will not give up on him or deal with my feelings till this matter is over and i know his family will never rest ever untill we get him home no matter how long it takes !!! how can they say good bye its not fair dragging this on but they are and all his friends are very strong willed so will fight till the end for him .

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thegirlnextdoor · « **Reply #241 on:** April 15, 2009, 07:26:55 AM »

Calle, This memorandum of statement will be also printed inside of the newspaper's I am speculating some time with in the next couple of weeks with hopefully more signatures added to it.

We have the support of my media freinds from both radio stations Dodong Libotuna AM DYTR/911 an Joeph Ligan from Kiss and DYRD announcing when the next meeting will be and they would like to attend the meeting and have coverage as well.

I'm looking at guest speaker's such as Atty, Alexander Lim, and Sr. Writer of Bohol chronicle Kit Bagaipo, and one other person maybe a provincail Dr. to talk about medical services and foreigner rights as pateints and also discuss about blood type.

I hope we can get the donations from the tourist businesses so that they can give back to foreigners what we have given to them for so long.

Any business owner or politicians reading this can contact me if they would like to help support the group.

Our meeting is schelduled for April 27th at 5PM.

I am hoping for a good foreigner turn out.

Take Care!

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Donot worry justice and Rachael many foreigners are not happy these days with all this murderes being done to our people.

It's emotionally hard and makes even native Filipino scared to live here with all this horible crimes happening.

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thegirlnextdoor · « **Reply #242 on:** April 16, 2009, 02:38:50 AM »

I am hoping members of Tubag Bohol can all log onto this web site this saturday April 18 and offer a moment of silence for the two back to back British Murders that happened to people who chose Bohol as a place to live and make they're home.

During this moemnt of silence this weekend I would like that we reflect on the peace and security we had here before and how can we help in making it go back to the way it was before?

Do not worry the case of Martin Willims is still being investigated as far that I am aware of.

I was able to get up the mental strength to have the pictures of Martin developed as he layed a top the morgue table.

Just looking at the places where he had been stabbed so many times makes one think that Gulle with his size is just to little to have pulled that off by himself.

Especailly with the dragging of Martin's body some 30 mitres as he left a blood trail behind.
Who is to say those involved could have set him up to be down to his breifs to cover up what was the real deal.

Martin would not swim at night especailly whith all the threats and the attempted homicides on him from the past.

Martin I am sure is not happy or at rest at the grave burreid in the ground of a country where it's people have murdered him.

The widow should honor the parents request of they're son and she should have him cremated and sent back to England.

I think she told the police she was on good terms with the inlaws so why does she not ablige?

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TOPAC · « **Reply #243 on:** April 16, 2009, 12:51:31 PM »

thanks, pnp.

pnp, can you update us also on the murders of foreigners in valencia and baclayon?

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Mulligan · « **Reply #244 on:** April 16, 2009, 01:07:49 PM »

Salamat sa info.

Kuyaw na gyung bohol karon dili na safe labina sa mga langyaw ................. nga daghan kuarta ug labina ug dili kahibawo makisama.

I am hoping members of Tubag Bohol can all log onto this web site this saturday April 18 and offer a moment of silence for the two back to back British Murders that happened to people who chose Bohol as a place to live and make they're home.

During this moemnt of silence this weekend I would like that we reflect on the peace and security we had here before and how can we help in making it go back to the way it was before?

Do not worry the case of Martin Willims is still being investigated as far that I am aware of.

I was able to get up the mental strength to have the pictures of Martin developed as he layed a top the morgue table.
Just looking at the places where he had been stabbed so many times makes one think that Gulle with his size is just to little to have pulled that off by himself.

Especailly with the dragging of Martin's body some 30 mitres as he left a blood trail behind.
Who is to say those involved could have set him up to be down to his breifs to cover up what was the real deal.

Martin would not swim at night especailly whith all the threats and the attempted homicides on him from the past.

Martin I am sure is not happy or at rest at the grave burreid in the ground of a country where it's people have murdered him.

The widow should honor the parents request of they're son and she should have him cremated and sent back to England.

I think she told the police she was on good terms with the inlaws so why does she not ablige?

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justice for martin · « **Reply #245 on:** April 16, 2009, 06:25:54 PM »

My condolances to Charles Maxwells family and friends,the 2nd British man murdered . Hopefully this case is not as corrupt as Martins.

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thegirlnextdoor · « **Reply #246 on:** April 17, 2009, 01:30:56 AM »

Thank You!

Everyone for the kind support of this blog topic

I also notice the date of alleged counter affidavit of rape was dated exactly 10 days to his murder. just thee days before the case would be dismissed.

Now in any investigation the wife must prove her where abouts by receipts any printed out travel ticket's investigator's should talk to her neighbors and businesses who recall seeing here that day of March 23, and any of her family or freinds who are here with here should also be accounted for during time of Martin's death as well as produce ferry and bunka ticket's since by law a passanger list is saved for all boats carrying passengers. (common knoweldge)

That list is called muster list.

most often on record for several days.

Every one including the widow traveling and staying together with family and freinds should be accounted for also on the day of spouses murder.

That would be for sure too clear them from any questionable connection to the murder as the first alleged suspects?

It is normal for the spouse in any murder of they're partner to be the one who is the first alleged suspected of murder.

If I am an investigator/judge I would be a hard corp one at that before I am satisfeid that the perssons suspected are not being involved.

Also background of wifes/husband personality, how was she/he as a wife/husband toward the victim while he was alive?

I was really made to honestly beleive that Martin really did love his wife prior to all the attempts against his life and her not being there ever for him?

I know he would cry in front of me about his wife keeping him from seeing they're own child.

She had abandoned him a long time ago. She also had a court date that following Friday after her husband was found murderd.
That she never showed up for in where she had filed a protection order against her husband?

I always seen him with his English freinds who came to see him from England. i did not ever see him showing off chick's he did not come across to me as a chicks' boy instead he was an absolute gentleman.

And then the wife is not seen mourning she still wanted to make him look bad even after he was murdered?

What was that all about?

This is in no way normal behavior of a woman who has just lost a husband to murder in my eyes.

Especailly she should of known how lucky she truly was, when he had sold everything back home in Englnd to make her a beautifull life here in the Philippines.

It shoould of been normal for the police to have a serch warrant or close off the property and house of Martin to look for any connections to his murder.
To let the widow in less then 24 hours after his murder wow that's really bizzare!

The police should have taken time to get to know the couples history.

This was a corrupted case and very botched and very contaminated case rolled into on!

with added biasis thrown in.

Martin Hawthorn did not deserve to have his life ended up in this way!

Martin deserved to have a winner life instead of loosing his life for looser's!

Nothing surprizes me here anymore as I have even seen popular Atty's treat foreigners inhumane here as well.

Makes me think if foreigners are really liked persoons here when the law does not treat foreigner matter's accordingly.

I have lived here eight years and Bohol has really changed.

Native Boholanos will say that they see so many faces here that they do not even recognize as being from here.

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thegirlnextdoor · « **Reply #247 on:** April 17, 2009, 04:04:23 AM »

Steve,

Earlier you mentioned about an award. well normally the way it works here is when the paid hitman murder man what ever you call him starts to run out of monies. Then that person who you paid to do your dirty work will start to blackmail you for more money but if your captured as the murder man who does deeds dirt cheap and your hinney ends up in the keister then the one who hired you will visit you in jail and ask you to plead guilty and promise to pay your family with money.

On the other hand if you are not captured by the law and your at large and the money does not kepp getting paid up then the one who did your dirty deed that you have hired him for will say to the authority that you hired them to do a bad thing.

Even Martin had set up an award for the bullets that were intended for him but no one had come forward.

Instead Panglao tourism police were going door to door to solicit for girls to give false allegations for rape charges against Martin.

Even the parents who are having a an honest heart complained about what the police man in Panglao was doing.

Man can you imagine if that airport comes in? Things will just be getting worse here.

Government needs to clean up corrupt police men and train the police to be real police men instead.

Not all police are bad there are some nice ones out there.

but the bad ones are enough to make up for the good ones and mar they're reputation up.

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STEVE · « **Reply #248 on:** April 17, 2009, 06:04:37 AM »

Thanks for the insight on how it works over there, its ashame we cant make him talk, we will have to hope they dont keep up there end of the bargain and dont look after the killers family,then he sings like a cannary. ! !

Lets face it shes got her hands on enough money of Martins to look after her own family and her hired killers family.

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Newbie · « **Reply #249 on:** April 17, 2009, 09:46:39 AM »

Well Said Steve, Everybody knows that the wife & her family were behind Martins Murder!!

I hope they can live with their consciencenses here on earth because they'll be a long time in HELL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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kiris · « **Reply #250 on:** April 17, 2009, 11:15:59 PM »

krisis,

if you are really reading the full context of this blog? STEVE and Martin are very close in fact so close even in England.
Steve, as you probably have been reading was one of two persons present sitting at the bar when the two bullets were fired at Martin.

As for knowing Martin if Martin could trust you he would tell you openly what were the things going on around him and happening to him.

so steve and crusaderfreedom are one and the same? still curious

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thegirlnextdoor · « **Reply #251 on:** April 18, 2009, 03:03:36 AM »

Kiris,

That was already taken care of if you were reading the blog all along.

So kiris where are you from?

How did you lear about Tubag Bohol?

What is your age? You seem sort of young? Are you an energetic teenager?

If you do not like the blogs about the Britons there are other topics less complex for you to enjoy.

No crus and Steve are not the same person.

Have a pleasant weekend Krisis!

Do you have any information on this topic that would be constructive to know about?

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thegirlnextdoor · « **Reply #252 on:** April 18, 2009, 03:21:57 AM »

Update on court happening in Tagbilaran Bohol,

Alleged Murder suspect is given 2 years and 4 months in prison for having posession of a dangerous weapon which I think is a Bojol Grill table knife (hope Bojol Grill did not ask for it back!)

According to office mates, The wife of Martin was talking with the court secretareis as she talking in her teers that she's missng her husband and that they have been seperated since December.

Why is the wife present during the sentencing of Gulle? She should still be mourning and letting the law handle the case.
What can she do was she there at the crime scene when it was taking place? What info can she provide to the case?

If my loved one is murdered I would be getting the report after the court and not showwing my face to any alleged killer.

Most people who lose a spouse or loved one or next of kin ussually do not want to have any involvement in making themself visible to the one who has done the killing.

Maybe Gulle would speak his silence if she was not always present?

Philippines needs to learn a few things when it comes to handling parteis involved and to keep them seperated for reasons incase of intimidation provoking.

Also Martin's wife should consider her safety when making herself visible in front of the alleged victim. You know Gulle has freinds and relatives who can visit him. Most persons in her position would be afraid to see the one who allegedly murdered they're loved one or next of kin eye to eye?

Alleged Gulle has not been sentenced yet for the robbery with homocide, when sentenced he can get anywhere from eight or more years depending on severity of crime.

the British Embassy has been callling the court house and monitoring this case very carefullly acording to court worker's here.

Happy Weekend Everyone!

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kiris · « **Reply #253 on:** April 18, 2009, 04:56:32 AM »

Kiris,

That was already taken care of if you were reading the blog all along.

So kiris where are you from?

How did you lear about Tubag Bohol?

What is your age? You seem sort of young? Are you an energetic teenager?

If you do not like the blogs about the Britons there are other topics less complex for you to enjoy.

No crus and Steve are not the same person.

Have a pleasant weekend Krisis!

Do you have any information on this topic that would be constructive to know about?

what's wrong with my question? i'm a concerned citizen and it's normal for me to ask.

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crusaderfreedom · « **Reply #254 on:** April 18, 2009, 10:41:54 AM »

Kris no steve and i are 2differant person he younger better looking ,but we both have the same aim to bring justice for martin and see his estranged lying cheating wife brought to justice.no one mentions her sleeping around before she met martin men she slept with after they split upin June 08 not Dec 08 ,her in Englad in set/Oct trying to extort money from martins family and friends,steve and I know each other and the reel truth and it will be told in a court of law what we know not in this blog police in uk have statements ,its just trying to get past the corupt police trying to brush this under the carpet as she is related to one,I wonder how much they are getting from his 15,000,000.million eastate???

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chona · « **Reply #255 on:** April 18, 2009, 04:29:09 PM »

i believed that all of these is gods will maybe God said martin you are hurting too much people now its time to get you now so i think he deserve his death,we know his wife since before they got married why people cannot accept the turth that martin is the one who finds his death in philippines nobody want it of course but because he thinks that he can buy anything in philippines and he got plenty of money which if you compare pounds to peso which is a lot,he is not rich in uk same as here working too much plenty mortgages if he is a good person why he abandon his first 2lovely daughters in the 1st marriage in uk because he dont want to supprt them coz for him money is important for him so how much more his 3rd daughter to a filipina wife,its ashamed for the kids that their dad never care for them.he decided to live in phil.coz its cheap and he can do what ever he wants which he cant do it here in uk, i dont think martin will pay girls if he wants im sure he wants free ,use them,give them job and feed them thats it,he dont want wasted his money bcoz of that we know what he likes in terms of money...correction also steve the wife rang the parents during the day saturday of his funeral to find out why atty.lim send someone to stop the funeral and frighten the wife if she will she gonna be in trouble not she asking money of the parents coz even a penny they never send money to philiipines just to crimate or burried their sons its so strange ,when the wife rang and ask what going on?the parents say to her "you never follow what we wants which "crimation "so our solicitor is doing his job"and put the phone down ,they always in demanded but no money to be send and use for all the expenses what a mess of the parents done to their sons body which they never think that on that day the body is started to smells bad and leeks, so coz they dont want trouble they return the body to d funeral and suddenly a big surprise again that atty.lim phone the wife monday to say burried the body now coz u steve is the one who rang atty.lim to do the commands not to burried martin on that saturday if your a good friend of martin you should not do that coz if ur a good friend under the heat of the philippines and the body really wanted to be burried and have peace of mine...After all,even martin abandon his family at the end is there a parents and friends look after his body?and put him in peace nobobody except the wife who manage everything even martin never left her to use all the expenses of course the wife will sold some of his belongings just to give him a descent funeral and to be burried and in peace.

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chona · « **Reply #256 on:** April 18, 2009, 04:54:08 PM »

the wife is close to the parents of martin but because blood is sticker than water so they have to favor their sons and get mad the wife after all which is their sons mistakes even their own grandchild they dont care and ask how is she.the wife decided not to crimate because she got also a one yr.old daugther its nice for her that her dad will be burried in philippines while she growing up and do visiting him all the time not like crimation dust to dust.

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chona · « **Reply #257 on:** April 18, 2009, 05:27:27 PM »

hello why dont you stop blamming the wife, we know most of this crime is the suspect is the wife but this case is very big diffrent and we know martin looks for his death.Martins death is so scarry really but this is all because of his all "ATRASO" about shooting before that was happened one of the bar girls was been rape already which she told the boyfriend that martin rape her whitout consent she just want job not to be rape by the time martin took the two bar girls to the panglao pulis station martin brief this two girls already to tell the pulis that the wife is trying to poison him which is not true, martin was a liar person and he really loves making stories which is not true,he wants to see people are fighting and belive what he says,why dont u ask to the panglao pulis station all incident are being recorded and blater everytime he makes troubles before christmas and after...the bar girl was being rape was addmitted that was her boyfriend shoot martin twice he is just lucky not to be dead because the boyfriend was get mad when he rape his girlfriend ,,,on the following week the bar girls dis appear and martin was surprise where they are which he doesnt know that the panglao pulis station keep them for investigations because instead they gonna confese what martin told them to tell the pulis he doesnt know that they tell the truth and cry of what martin done to them...so people try to invistigate from the start before accusing the wife okey.

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hofelina · « **Reply #258 on:** April 18, 2009, 05:47:27 PM »

Hold your breath folks, Martin is dead. Let us give respect to him who is already beyond. As to the perpetrators or the people behind, we can not speculate or point a finger. Let justice takes its task, no matter how our system functions.
Let Martin take his final rest.RIP

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jenny1024 · « **Reply #259 on:** April 18, 2009, 05:58:37 PM »

im sory to tell this ,i know martyn more than u know him,i respect him although he treated his wife so badly,yeah he is a good friend and nice to talk with, but when it comes to his wife,he was so horrible treating her like a dirt,eversince they lived in UK he never treated her good,even on their last day before they got married he abuse her and hit her,then whe they lived here in UK for a couple of months he is the one so eager andso itchy to go back to Philippines,because he wants all his freedom he can get,and he doesnt owned that bar your talking to,most of the people who lived there are so mad of martyn,coz he never respect filipino,thats why i was not suprised when i heard about 2 attempted rape case, and doesnt even want to support his daughter,and i cant blame his wife why she left him and moved back as far as she can,coz she cant stand all the things hes done,to her,like bringing womens on their house and hitting her when shes intefering with him.
Im just writting to tell everybody that his wife,had done all her best to be a good wife and give all the support he wanted to,and she did all her best to convince him to come back in Uk,dont blame her and even judge her.

jenny

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hofelina · « **Reply #260 on:** April 18, 2009, 06:06:22 PM »

Good morning Jenny!

Buntag diri namo sa Germany, thanks for your first posting in this Forum. We can not keep on mud slinging, Martin is dead and what he has done, only God knows. So IÂ´m pleading again, let him rest in peace and to his wife, good luck and hopefully she learns to face the future with head high.
What injustice has been done can not be undone. God bless.

Manay Tess

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simplylee · « **Reply #261 on:** April 18, 2009, 09:49:08 PM »

manay dili jud ta makablame nga mopost pod na sila kay gisigihan man god pod ug daut ang asawa basin kining mga nagpost nakaila gyod adtong magtiayon, kahibawo gyod sa tinuod nga sitwasyon

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grazie7y · « **Reply #262 on:** April 19, 2009, 02:12:05 AM »

manay dili jud ta makablame nga mopost pod na sila kay gisigihan man god pod ug daut ang asawa basin kining mga nagpost nakaila gyod adtong magtiayon, kahibawo gyod sa tinuod nga sitwasyon

I agree, Tita Lee. The wife was punched here and there in this thread and if somebody wants to stand up for this woman, who is not even proven guilty, then let them be. For all we know, the wife of Mr. Martin is also suffering for the loss of the father of her child, not to mention the accusations that she has a hand to the killing of her husband. It's a sad story.

Manay, I see your point though but we didn't tell the friends of Mr. Martin to let him rest by not digging personal information anymore and posting these personal infos here.

The wife may be guilty and may be not. And if she is not, she was made guilty already because of all these allegations. And if the wife is not guilty, I don't think some people will ever be happy because their minds are already made up that she is guilty. Again, it's a sad story.

Peace to all.

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rachael · « **Reply #263 on:** April 19, 2009, 02:28:02 AM »

chona can i just correct you about martin's two daughters in the uk ... he loved them very much and always spent time with them when he was aloud to, yes martin and his first wife did break up and did have disagreement about the children on occasion as do many couples in divorce ....but he would do anything for them i know this because i spent alot of time with martin and his daughters who are two beautiful well behaved polite girls who loved there dad very much...
as for his other daughter the baby he was so proud to be a dad again and told all his friends how happy he was....
As for his love of money yes martin did love making money and had many ideas for business that was just his way but he would also be the first person to help out his friends if they needed it ...this does not make him a man to be hated just a man with a very wide imagenation.

to jenny i dont no how close you were to martin and his wife but in all the years i have known him as well as his other close friends not once has he been violent to anyone he never had it in him to be violent even if a fight broke out in a pub he was the first to step back and get away from the situation..than to jump in on it !!!!! so i find it so hard to belive in what you are saying?

??.... rape never ever would he do such a thing EVER!!!! i dont for one minute belive any of these allegations made towards him ....and if im correct he was cleared of all charges of rape after his death

yes martin is dead and should be able to rest in peace but his friends and family are not going to give up on him and getting justice for him ,As for appointing blame by taking qoutes out of context EG "steve said" and "this person said" This is like playgroud gossip! Fact martin has been buried ...! Fact martins parents wishes were to bring their son home by way of cremation ...! so please can we just let the police do their jobs without this hearsay.

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hofelina · « **Reply #264 on:** April 19, 2009, 02:35:54 AM »

Thanks Inday Grace for your postings, I just donÂ´t want to see any unkind words to Mr Martin, he should be respected as a deceased person not in the position to defend himself in case of blasphemy and personal intrigue.

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grazie7y · « **Reply #265 on:** April 19, 2009, 02:43:53 AM »

Thanks Inday Grace for your postings, I just donÂ´t want to see any unkind words to Mr Martin, he should be respected as a deceased person not in the position to defend himself in case of blasphemy and personal intrigue.

I agree, Manay. Thanks too, Manay.

I think of all the people that posted here, only a few stood up for the wife who is not proven guilty of the crimes alleged by some people here. Kaluoy pod if she isn't really guilty. We have to respect the living as much as we respect the dead. Mr. Martin's friends are out here defending for him. Sila man ga una ug hatag ug intriga busa nag defend lang ning uban. I don't know both so I can't tell who is guilty and who is not. If we want Mr. Martin to rest in peace, let us leave the investigation to the police, and respect the result of the investigation.

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raldampong · « **Reply #266 on:** April 19, 2009, 02:44:28 AM »

Let the truth come out in the open. Even Mrs. William has the right to voiced her side of the story so justice can be serve those quilty party.

There's always two side of the story. Let anyone enlightened us to what's really the truth and all will be set free.

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chona · « **Reply #267 on:** April 19, 2009, 05:06:13 PM »

Sakto jud nang imong giingon sir let heard the side of the wife kay kami sir kabalo jud mi sa asawa ni martin kon kinsa jud sya dili gyod na sila pod oltimo lang edukada jud ng pamilyaha,basta sayod jud me ni martin kon kinsa sya sukad sa ilang panag ipon hangtod namalhin nalang jud sila sa bohol kay before natukod ilang balay while nanganak iyang asaw sa uk iya rajud syang gibiyabiyaan kay bz daw sya pagpatokod sa balay pero diay bz sa mga babae,kasagaran jud sa mga puti makapoyo gani sa pinas mura nasilag nakatag iya sa nasod kay saon naaman lagi silay kwarta nga ipanggamit sa unsang klasing paagi diba?so nakaingon nagayod kami nga ang" gaba dili jud diay magsaba" mo abot nagayod diay so "KARMA " na kadtong nahitabo ni martin.kay sa dihang nagpoyo nasila sa panglao buntagay najud sya mo uli natural asawa mangutana jud ug dis a sya gikan mo ingon lang i can do what ever i want unya kung sakto ka sa pangutok moingon ana diay ka pagtubag until cge away unya pasakitan na niya ang asawa mao nga mipauli nalang ang asawa ug napalayo sa bana kauban sa iyang anak kay sa makunsimisyon diba?kay wala man jud si martin musuntinto mao nga ning file nalang ang asawa sa court para legal ang tanan ug ang asaw naapod access sa balay unya mo support sya sa bata.

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chona · « **Reply #268 on:** April 19, 2009, 05:37:58 PM »

To rachel yes we know martins second marriage from the beginning as what we observe him his a kind of person as a "scratesophenic" once he want it he always wanted and always feed up things and no satisfaction in his life never been contented,so why is it everytime he seen his first two kids even how meters away the xwife will phone pulis so theres something wrong on him... which his not allowed to be close the kids?one time the kids saw him i was there he call them if the kids close to him the reaction is so different the kids never bothered him until the xwife saysgo away otherwise i will phone pulis...regarding of martins family if they loved their son no one of them went to philippines when they heard the news its so weird anyway they never pay all the expenses of the burial how much more flying to philippines cost them too much why coz money is important to them and now keep blamming the wife after the mess of their sons thats bollocks!im sure martins is happy now after all he done to his wife and daughter they r still there for him at end of his life ....ang give him a descent burial...

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Newbie · « **Reply #269 on:** April 20, 2009, 01:25:04 AM »

Chona you really need to get your facts straight before you go spouting off!! Martins family were advised by the British Authorities not to go out there besides how the hell would his 2 elderly parents or any of his family members have coped with seeing the mess his murderers made of him?

His family will not pay his 'grieving wife' a penny after all why would they pay after she had him murdered! which is what she wanted the money for to pay off his Assassins!!

And all this crap about him hitting her the day before they got married if that was the case why did she marry him?? Exactly it's all lies, everything that comes out of her mouth is lies!!

Everyone who truly knew Martin knew what she was doing to him & knows that she had him murdered!!!

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rachael · « **Reply #270 on:** April 20, 2009, 01:37:56 AM »

thanks newbie you took the words right out my mouth !!

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lindy · « **Reply #271 on:** April 20, 2009, 02:30:08 AM »

bitaw, maayo sad nang atong madunggan ang story sa other side usa ta manghusga.

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glacier_71 · « **Reply #272 on:** April 20, 2009, 02:40:06 AM »

it's good to know the other side of the story. it's healthy for the discussion, albeit difficult for the victim's family.

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justice for martin · « **Reply #273 on:** April 20, 2009, 06:04:18 PM »

Well Chona lets face it you are going to write about Martin the way you are its so obvious you are Margie his wife and as for your Friend Jenny thats your sister who lives in Liverpool. Durr !!!! . We were all wondering how long it would take for you to rear your head, Martin cant speak or defend himself now so his real friends will. So Margie - ( Gee Gee) if your grieving so badly and are so innocent how could you write about him in such a cruel and evil way. ? ? ?

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glacier_71 · « **Reply #274 on:** April 20, 2009, 08:20:53 PM »

Well Chona lets face it you are going to write about Martin the way you are its so obvious you are Margie his wife and as for your Friend Jenny thats your sister who lives in Liverpool. Durr !!!! . We were all wondering how long it would take for you to rear your head, Martin cant speak or defend himself now so his real friends will. So Margie - ( Gee Gee) if your grieving so badly and are so innocent how could you write about him in such a cruel and evil way. ? ? ?

in fairness, jfm, you and pnp have been posting here with words condemning the wife of Martin, haven't you? it's not that i agree how both sides sordidly reveal us multiple-layered stories behind the murder and the people involved. we could have objective in presenting the real stories. we can't complain if someone would unkindly do us what we unkindly also do to them. kindness begets kindness. hatred begets hatred. etc etc etc etc

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chona · « **Reply #275 on:** April 21, 2009, 01:52:33 AM »

hey you ?dont ever involve margie here or her sister we are only her friends telling the truth what kind of person martin was evil and badly treated his wife and daughter,he offered me money for sex and told him what kind of girl do u think i am?go back to ur wife and child,but he it didnt take him long to find another girl very young in another bar,his whole life here was just sex sex sex,and he wont even pay for his baby medicine when she was sick ,he was a disgrace as a husband and a pittyful excuse of a father.thats was he is.

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chona · « **Reply #276 on:** April 21, 2009, 02:04:31 AM »

thats not an excuse if the parents care so much their son they will fly straight away old age is not an xcuse they should go there and would proscecute the murders not just setting down and waiting doing nothing .the police say if nobody prosecute the murderers a man and a woman will be set free so why is the wife indangering her own safety and d baby's by prosecuting them her self.if it was her who paid them she would just do nothing just look at the facts and grow up!

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chona · « **Reply #277 on:** April 21, 2009, 02:12:23 AM »

hello rachel i agree with you about martin if a fight broke out in a pub martin would be the first to get out of the way of the situation but he was so brave yes brave when it came to fighting with defensless women.

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justice for martin · « **Reply #278 on:** April 21, 2009, 02:33:17 AM »

Every trick in the books coming out now, Your english has got good, is that your english husband talking aswel now ? Martin never touched his wife - fact. But after everything else you have accused him of , its just another lie to add to the rest of your alligations, i mean your trying to justify his murder, does that make you feel better ? Dont think for one minute anyone reading your crap believes it, even an outsider to this would never agree that anyone deseves to die this way. Have some respect.

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rachael · « **Reply #279 on:** April 21, 2009, 03:07:14 AM »

chona i know there is two sides to the story as with every thing but i do not for one minuet belive the stuff you are writing its a joke never has martin been violent to anyone man or women so i dont no why you feel it to bring it up now that he is dead and can not have his say ... why did she marry him if this was the case and if your such a good freind why did you not help her like any true friend would

?? if any one of my friends had been miss treated like you tell it i would of dragged her away to safety and got the police involved from the start !!!! and now to try and bring more rubbish up saying " he wouldnt even pay for his baby,s med's " that is just scrapping the bottom of the barrell and childish ...

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