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What's Wrong with Freedom of Expression
« on: April 30, 2008, 10:38:31 PM »
I've read and heard some people justifying their inappropriate behavior by borrowing the sacred term "freedom of expression", which was laid out by the forerunners of American democracy.

Freedom of speech or freedom of expression has been abused and misused online and offline.

The truth of the matter is we can never enjoy any form of freedom if we don't take responsibility for our own action.

Just because a person has freedom of speech he could just shout "Sunog, sunog" in the middle of a sentimental play in a crowded theater when there wasn't fire at all? Can this person shout "sunog, sunog" on on the basis of freedom of speech?

Is this freedom of expression?

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Re: What's Wrong with Freedom of Expression
« Reply #1 on: April 30, 2008, 11:57:34 PM »
he took it literally
heeey? what's the point of this?


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Re: What's Wrong with Freedom of Expression
« Reply #2 on: May 01, 2008, 01:33:35 AM »
not.
The right to freedom of expression upholds the rights of all to express their views and opinions freely.
but "sunog-sunog" is way far from freedom of expression.
its... exactly fot the purposes to attract attention.

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« Reply #3 on: May 01, 2008, 02:08:28 AM »


Nope, not at all! I would like to copy your opinion and paste it some other place else kay nag lalis na jud mi hapit aning freedom of speech sa mga shulokinz! makalagut! grrr! >:(
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« Reply #4 on: May 01, 2008, 02:26:38 AM »
One justification for free speech is a general liberal or libertarian presumption against coercing individuals from living how they please and doing what they want. However, a number of more specific justifications are commonly proposed.

For example, Justice McLachlin of the Canadian Supreme Court identified the following in R. v. Keegstra, a 1990 case on hate speech:

   1. Free speech promotes "The free flow of ideas essential to political democracy and democratic institutions" and limits the ability of the state to subvert other rights and freedoms
   2. It promotes a marketplace of ideas, which includes, but is not limited to, the search for truth
   3. It is intrinsically valuable as part of the self-actualization of speakers and listeners
   4. It is justified by the dangers for good government of allowing its suppression.

Such reasons perhaps overlap. Together, they provide a widely accepted rationale for the recognition of freedom of speech as a basic civil liberty.

However, there are those who would take advantage of the freedom of speech for the detriment of society and to those around them. That is why the freedom of speech does apply to all of us, so long as that it only affects us. When a person starts to engage in racist and bigoted conversation--with the sole purpose of addressing a group or groups of people and to offend them; then by that right, is the violation of the sacred right of freedom of speech. When one person oversteps their bounds and offends another, or hurts another either it by physically or mentally, then it is already a violation of  a) freedom of expression and b) freedom of speech.

Responsibility and accountability must be upheld. If not, then anyone has the right to say whatever he or she thinks without the preconditions and postconditions of societal response. If we go by th at standard then really there is no meaning of the orthodoxic and the orthoproxic. It becomes anarchic, which in itself is doomed.

Sure, I agree there needs to be some kind of form of freedom of speech and/or freedom of expression, however, there needs to be sets of limitations and regulations that governs the extremity of such actions. For the good of all, and the rights of all.

 

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« Reply #5 on: May 01, 2008, 04:27:59 AM »
so do you say Bran, that let's propose an appeal to the congress for another bill saying that like you said " needs to be sets of limitations and regulations that governs the extremity of such actions".

I will support it.

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« Reply #6 on: May 01, 2008, 06:48:26 AM »
I do too!

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« Reply #7 on: May 01, 2008, 12:20:10 PM »
I like to take things on a moderated approach, with tolerance and with a grain of salt. However, Beth, you and I know that there are those in the United States that take advantage of the rights we so dearly have--and are guaranteed for us Americans by the blood of our soldiers who have died for our sakes, and who have upheld the rights of its citizens. Even when it concerns those abroad.

Take one example; the Westboro Baptist Church.
Perhaps you've heard of them? They're the repulsive religious cult that are responsible for protesting the funerals of dead American soldiers who died in Iraq. This so called 'church' is run by a disbarred Mr. Fred Phelps, who styles himself to be called 'Pastor Phelps' is vehemontly homophobic, anti-multicultural, anti-catholic, anti-orthodox protestant. In fact his so called church is anti everything. Please note that the members of his cult are deluded family members.

I had a discussion about this with some of my friends several days ago; on the concept of the freedom of worship and rights of all. Sure, I do believe that we all have the right to worship our particular religion. Either we be Christian, Muslim, Hindu, Buddhist, etc. However, when we start putting our religious views down people's throats and start protesting and insulting the memory of family members, because of a perverted twist on scripture, then I say there is something wrong with that concept.

The kinds of things that this group says are, "God Hates F_gs, God Hates Jews, God Hates Catholics, God Hates America, God Hates the World, God Hates Everyone, etc etc etc"

This kind of message is sickening and is already a twisted perversion of scripture; and a lack of tolerance.

This is what I mean about the need of restriction; sure we have the right to say what we want--so long as that it does not offend those around us--or is not directly meant to offend a group or a particular group of people.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=A6AJSVnzX_g
Westboro Baptist Church

This is an example of uncontained and unrestrained 'freedom of expression'.
Let us not be like them.

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Re: What's Wrong with Freedom of Expression
« Reply #8 on: May 01, 2008, 12:35:46 PM »
There is freedom to post anything Tubag Bohol and the global admins have the freedom to delete "inappropriate" posts.

House rules will preserve our uniqueness otherwise if we allow indecency, insults, harassment, hate, discrimination, unpatriotic words in Tubag Bohol then there is no iota of noble reason for this site to continue to exist any longer, but to shut it down.

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« Reply #9 on: May 02, 2008, 04:24:24 AM »
Bran, you're right about that. Actually not only that certain church you mentioned but there are many others too like in the west side.
That's why I don't understand what they mean about soooo conservative and sooo lovin God and yet what they do are so unrealistic concerning to other human being, I just don't get it.

Mike, what you are doing makes this forum site so unique with discipline, respect and traffic control in all of our "Freedom of Expression" way of posting, commenting and replies.
That's why everyone loves to keep coming back.

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Re: What's Wrong with Freedom of Expression
« Reply #10 on: May 02, 2008, 05:44:28 AM »
On the subject line, What's wrong with freedom of expression, there is nothing wrong with freedom of expression if we know our freedom to understand the limitations and our responsibility as decent people.

Point in case is the sermon of Jeremiah Wright.  I don't think he it is still exercising his freedom of speech. IMO, he is abusing already his power as a pastor. What he said is I think reprehensible.  It's just so sad that Obama is dragged in what Pastor Wright has been saying in the pulpit.
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« Reply #11 on: May 02, 2008, 05:46:53 AM »
mao nay giingon na og wa kauyon mamutos.lols

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« Reply #12 on: May 02, 2008, 05:51:52 AM »

Amen, igsoon, Amen.

Last semester there were neo-evangelical recruiters on campus that came without the permission of our college administration (this is a violation of byrules and the words they were saying to students were downright harassment).

I was walking down to my Medical Psychology class in Carnegie Hall and I was approached by three individuals, one old man and two middle aged women who had a very dubious look in their faces. They surrounded me and my friend Bryan (as we both were going to the same class) and asked us questions.
The kinds of things they were asking and saying were rude and hypocritical. They asked me if I was christian, if I believed in Christ, and to all of these questions I answered yes-of course. Then started talking to me in scripture and then asked me what 'christian sect' I was part of. I proudly said that I was Roman Catholic.

Then out of nowhere one of the middle aged ladies started laughing at me. Calling me a follower of rapists etc. Telling me that the Catholic Church is a false sect, and that all catholics are doomed to hell, will burn etc etc. Telling me to convert or else I will perish eternal damnation. I was so disgusted by these old phonies; these wolves in sheeps clothing.

They were liars and decievers; bringing out scriptural text from the book of Leviticus, on reference to Sodom and Gomorrah. They did not know that I was well versed in scripture and refuted their arguments. Telling them that the arguments they were making were out of base, since they were old testament; and referred to Sodom and Gamorrah. Such judgement was made during the time of Abraham, thousands of years before the birth of Christ. I made specific reference to Matthew and called them hypocrites; for who are they to judge? The only one who can judge the soul of men is God himself, for if we judge others we make ourselves judges and above the law of God, but we are not. All are judged by God's law.

The old gentleman tried to give me a small blue pocket bible, I told him no thank you. As I have the Gospel in my own room. The completed Bible, the original Catholic Bible.

These evangelicals harassed many students that day and I was so disgusted what they were saying. Twisting the scripture of God for perverse meanings, and laughing at those who were different from them.
Christ tells us to beware of false prophets, and those who mock the word of God for perverse uses. To instill hate and to hurt. The word of God came to save, and to claim His Children.

Gospel tells us that God IS Love. And those who do not know love, do not know God the Almighty. Christ  IS Love. He is NOT hate, not envy, not wretchedness, not blame, not feeble, not wrong, not conniving. All of such bad traits are of the devil. Part of his lies that would turn the faithful to unbelievers.

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And I say also unto thee-that is, "As thou hast borne such testimony to Me, even so in return do I to thee."And I declare to you that you are Peter, and that upon this Rock I will build my Church, and the might of Hades shall not triumph over it.
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Beloved Simon Peter,I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; and whatever you bind on earth shall have been bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall have been loosed in heaven."
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This is a reminder for us to be open minded. Open our Heart. Christ Jesus was and IS open minded, FULL OF LOVE and MERCY. For HIS name is LOVE. Did he turn away Mary Magdalen, a sinner? Did he not heal those who were wretched and sinners? Did he not cast away the devils from the possessed? Did he not befriend Nicodemus, the tax collector? Did he not conquor pagan ROME through His Blood?
Christ Jesus tells us to live by his example. And to love one another and be open minded. Not to be like the pharisees Jewish Priests who condemned our savior. Calling him a blasphemer.

This is why I'm very sensitive to conversations with neo-evangelicals who twist the old and true meaning of scripture. I've had many a discussion with them in the past. Many of them are so closed minded.


 

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« Reply #13 on: May 02, 2008, 06:07:36 AM »
You said it all Bran.

Dili bitaw ko ganahan anang ingon ana oi nga murag i-condemn ta kung dili ta mokuyog nila.

And O did you remember the President of the Evengelicals who was also their huge Preacher that goes all over America, he was caught having an affair with fellow male, poor wife and his followers were sooo blind. He finally resigned after he was all over the news.


To be fair, I do RESPECT with all my heart and mind to non-roman catholic fellowmen who are so wonderful and kind to everyone.
Mao bitaw na nga para nako kung unsa man gani ang religion sa taw, dili gyud ko  mangilabot kay ang akong giapas is ang iyang pagkataw raman whom I can be friendly with for life.

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« Reply #14 on: May 02, 2008, 06:08:16 AM »

I feel sorry for Sen. Obama because of Rev. Wrights politically-based rants. He is only looking for media attention, at the expense of Sen. Obama.



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