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« Reply #40 on: August 20, 2009, 01:43:07 PM »
Might I remind all of you that People's Power movement is not a democratic process, it s a mass protest. And constant People's Power will only destabilize a nation.

It destroys all confidence on a government; and with that, hampers the society to which that government presides over.

Aquino was never trained in politics. She is not a politician.

She was a woman, a wife of a politician, who was murdered, and after his death, the woman--Aquino, was placed on the pedestal by the mourning supporters/ Anti-Marcos Forces.

She was picked not because she had political experience or the drive, but because she was related to a man whom the protesters used as the legitimizing factor for the populatory coup de tat (though via protest).

A nation needs trained leaders, taught and trained in the arts of politics, law, jurisprudence, and theories of political science.

And in the end, this was the very manifesting factor that led to the multiple coups that occured in C. Aquino's 1 term presidency. This was the very reason why she didn't seek 2nd term, as she was not an effective president; and her policies came to no avail. The country, on the contrary, went in a paralytic spiral in her term and in preceding presidencies.

The Philippines has become quite robust only during the Administration of GMA.
No othe presidents prior to GMA (all post-Marcosian) can even compare to the success she has made and the leaps the country has attained under her administration.
Economic, political, and internationally. We have made hedgeway.
Not bad for a Republic that has reclaimed democratic process only 23 years after Marcotian Administration's demise.



A hero? No.

A historical figure, of course.


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« Reply #41 on: August 24, 2009, 09:40:55 AM »

Panero,
Cory could probably be what we rightfully say as damn lucky for being in the right place at the right time.

As to the fact that she was hailed as the icon of democracy, it could have also been Doy Laurel, Fidel Ramos, Cardinal Sin or plain Juan de la Cruz who could have taken her place.   

Icon or not, heroine or not, its not hers, it should be the million Filipinos who know damn well they did one hell of a job not thousands of Cory Aquinos could do.

Enough of declaring heroes, heroines, or national artiists, because by the mere thought  of it, even my kids astound me when one said, when Noynoy Aguino dies, will there be another holiday?

Id look forward to the time when Kris would have her turn too.

That, am damn near sure would be worth my dying for. 

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« Reply #42 on: August 24, 2009, 10:28:47 PM »
going to be a "national hero" may be elevating her too much

hero, perhaps, many would agree
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« Reply #43 on: August 26, 2009, 08:53:02 PM »

Mr. fdaray, who really deserves to be called as our national hero " is it Jose Rizal who just fought against the oppressor thru pen or is it Andres Bonifacio who organized the revolutionary movement and lead the arm struggle against the Spaniards. I salute on what what Rizal has done but i give my admiration to Gat Andres.
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« Reply #44 on: August 27, 2009, 04:07:37 AM »
Jose Rizal was even saluted and recognized by the Indian National Hero, Mahatmas Gandhi.

The intellectual movement initiated by Dr. Jose P. Rizal was astute; he was way ahead of his time!

A living and great polymath.

A Physician-Surgeon, Political Scientist, Philosopher, Artist, Poet, Essayist, Lover, Son, Brother, Christian, Martyr.

He was utterly selfless. He gave up everything, all prospects of a life as a physician, his youth, his admirers in Spain, to a certain death in the Philippines.

Not many men in our time or in any time epochs can emulate that.
Ninoy Aquino returned to Philippines, but he risked his life for the small chance of being elected as President. And an attempt to uproot the Marcos Administration.

Rizal, on the other hand, had no such endeavors.
His was a life of idealism and political equality.
The fact that Rizal knew that his influence would be best made known through writings, in the present generation and in latter generations is what makes him a National Hero.
Giving up his life, to him, was a pleasure.

As a nation and as a people we owe it to Rizal, who was our sacrificial lamb.
His death awakened the Filipino National Movement.
With his death, led to the birth of a Nation.

His death was necessary.

That is why I consider Rizal as a Christ-like figure.

God Bless Jose P. Rizal.
The FATHER of the Republic.

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« Reply #45 on: August 27, 2009, 11:12:55 PM »
Bad thing in Spain nobody knows Rizal or his writtings or his demandings to the kingdom while he was in Spain.

Is not funny that the way to rule Spain that he was claiming in those times and that was quickly denied is how Spain is ruled nowdays? :)

In that time when only a few people ruled Spain "by birth" and the rest were just people without voice, any proposal attempting to share power was hardly rejected.

So yes, maybe he was ahead of his time :)

Regards fom Spain

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« Reply #46 on: August 28, 2009, 12:38:49 AM »
i believe, Cory, herself wouldn't want this honor to be given to her. what yah think?

if there's one thing that she would want us to do in her honor is to be united, to believe in our Nation and people, be patriotic. To show the world that A Filipino Is Worth Dying For, indeed.






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« Reply #47 on: August 28, 2009, 02:53:12 PM »

He, indeed, was ahead of his time.

This great Malayan that changed not only the fate of The Philippines, but even awakened the Kingdom of Spain to reform.

Viva Filipinas y Espana!

Viva Sr. Dr. Rizal!

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« Reply #48 on: August 28, 2009, 02:55:34 PM »
Rizal's Monument in Madrid.


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« Reply #49 on: August 28, 2009, 10:39:39 PM »

Not totally true. I believe Rizal has been recognized in Spain, even a town in Germany does, although people nowadays are indifferent toward heroes or history in general. Of course, we don't talk much about them anymore after all these years but that doesn't mean they never knew him. Maybe it's us who don't know much what people in that particular place/country know or what their history book has been saying all along. Maybe we need to read more or do some more research... but that's out of the question. A little more immersion maybe....
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« Reply #50 on: August 28, 2009, 11:47:36 PM »

Don´t get me wrong.

Sorry if I did not explain properly.

Here, there are as Lorenzo showed a monument close to the subway station called "Islas Filipinas" in Madrid, but if you ask who is Rizal nobody knows him. I am speaking of normal people as you and me walking around Madrid if you ask almost nobody know him apart for the ones that have ties in Philippines.

Of course Philippines and Rizal is tied forever to the history of Spain and all that happened changed in the long run the model of Spain but as you said each place study different ways of the history.

Sorry if I get you think other way.

Regards from Madrid :)

PD: Would you beleive me if I tell you some people in Spain doesn´t know that Philippines,Guam or Taiwan(La formosa) were colonies of Spain? :P

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« Reply #51 on: August 29, 2009, 12:05:04 AM »

if there are people in my previous work who even didn't know that Philippines has MacDonald stores,  I am not surprised if some souls have no knowledge about Rizal and the Philippines or other stuffs from eons ago.


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« Reply #52 on: August 29, 2009, 12:32:25 AM »

Funny cause in my work a filipino friend and me were in a coffee shop and a girl from work came and saw we were smoking Marlboro.

She said "Hey Jaime do you have this in Philippines? And he looked to me as "is this girl stupid or what?"
His answer was "Yes we have Marlboro, we have mac Donnalds and we do not live in trees":P

But well  some americans asked me if there are roads in Spain or if I went to the school in donkey lol so I think ignorance is global hahaha.

Regards from Spain.

PD: AND would you beleive that people in Spain and Europe almost All think that San Miguel origin is spanish and not filipino? LOL I love the faces of the people in Spain when they order  San Miguel and I say "oh philippines beer" hahahaha

Of course the spanish branch is not pinoy any more but the origin is not spanish :P

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« Reply #53 on: August 29, 2009, 03:43:29 AM »
Mao-mao ra ta tanan kalooy sa Ginoo. Hasta mga barkada nako uban, kadtong wala pa ka bwayhe, ma sorpresa kung moingon ko gatauwa ko karon o ga kilaw. Ila pod pagtoo nga way petsay, bugas, ginamos  or uban pa, sama sa ato, sa laing dapit esp. sa west hahaha.

Mao sad cguro sa laing bahin, galalis cguro pod sila sa ilang TB (Tubag Budapest o Tubag Bahrain ) kung angayan ba himoong national hero si so and so and kung nailhan ba sa laing dapit ilang national hero, bwahaha!

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« Reply #54 on: August 29, 2009, 04:06:13 AM »

wa sila kabalo, pads, nga kadtong mga wa mailhi sa katilingban, mga ordinaryo lang, ang aduna poy katungod mga pagatawgong BAYANI.

usa na niini si IKAW...lol

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« Reply #55 on: August 29, 2009, 09:03:30 AM »
Keko, it is the the sad reality of history. Only the ones that are well versed in history will know these historical figures, Rizal for example.

Spaniards are not the only ones; there are even Americans that do not even know the Louisianna Purchase , or the complete list of American Presidents.

In defense to Chicogon, though, I have worked closely with Spanish professors in Mexico as well as in Spain in my research and publication on Filipino National Evolution, which was part of my History Major Dissertation.

Jose Rizal is quite well known in Spanish higher education. The professors, the history students, the political scientists etc know him, but the average everday Spaniards that have no backing or understanding in colonial history will not known him.

I think it is important to expound on their importance, for individuals like these were pivotal in national consciousness.

Rizal's popularity in Spain began in the late 1880s when he published works in La Solidaridad, even making passionate followers of his works. Rizal was so well known in the intellectual community in his day that he had followers and readers from Brussels, Netherlands, Germany (Heidelburg), France, Britain, Portugal and of course in Spain.

It was only after Rizal's death and after the loss of the Philippines to the United States that Spain really did awaken. The defeat of the Spanish Empire to the United States in the Spanish-American War in 1898 was the motivating factor that led to the political awakening in Spain, the development of a parliamentary democracy and a move from the aristocratc parliamentary form that was set in place by Bourbon Kings.

I believe it was His Majesty King Alfonso XIII that said after Madrid defeat to America, "Dios Mio..el imperio español ha terminado. ha terminado."
(My God, the Spanish Empire is dead. It is over)

It was only after Spain's defeat that it followed the course of governmental remodeling. Since the loss of Her American colonies in the early 19th century, Spain was in a spiral downward and was incapable of preventing further revolutions in its last remaining colonies in Cuba, Puerto Rico, y Las Filipinas because Spain's communication channel was weak. That and the reign of the previous king, His Majesty King Alfonso XII was quite the conservative King. By the time the progressive King Alfonso XIII took the throne, it was already too late. Revolution in Cuba erupted, and even the Loyal Philippines rose up in dissension. The Philippines' eruption into revolution signaled the end for Spain's once mighty Global Empire.


History. Things happen for a reason. For a greater good. :)

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« Reply #56 on: August 29, 2009, 11:46:23 PM »

I am impressed you know a lot about the history of Spain.
when the dictatorship Francisco Franco dead in 1975 was when the model that Rizal thought was applied.

As well was the year when Spain left the rest of colonies that still had to join in the future in the EU.

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« Reply #57 on: August 30, 2009, 12:09:32 AM »
As they said "education is of utmost importance," no matter what your lot in life, nakahuman ba kag korso o wa. And I do believe, too, in the slogan, "Reading is what makes a nation great." But my cuzin would like to add to that, too, "Retention of what you read makes it even better hahaha." Kay mag-unsa man pod kung daghan kang nabasa unya paluston lang pod sa pikas dunggan. Ako blema nuon is hingkalimtanon na jud nuon ko, kining nagka edaran ta ug daghan napong gibating di masabtan hahaha. So what I do is constant "repitition" syarog di ka motarok sa panumduman!!! Mao bitaw nang uban anad kaajo mokanta kay way undang balik2x kanta hangtod ma second nature na ang gi kanta o gibasa.

Suggestion, maghimo tag gamay'ng "library" sa atong kalibangan coz it's one of the best place and time to read... pwede pa managhoy!

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« Reply #58 on: August 30, 2009, 01:35:13 AM »

Thank you Keko.

I grew ever so interested in Spanish History, its struggle with the muslim Moors, its repudiation of paganism, and its establishment as a Christian nation. Spain, definately, is credited in spreading the Christian faith to countless millions around the world.

Through Spain, Christianity was rooted in the Americas.

Through Spain, the birth of a new world occured. There are over 600 million Latin Americans that are a direct result of Spain/Portuguese amalgamation. And the eventual struggle of these peoples for self governance only adds to the beauty and flavor of human integration.

Spain's imperial initiative was an example of 'Globalization' in the 16th century.

My interest is in Classical Imperial Spanish History.
I'm fairly versed in the history of Nuevo Espana because the Philippines was part of Neuvo Espana for a substantial part of our colonial history. In terms of governance and in relations to the Royal Audencia and religious episcopy.

Spain today has alot to learn from its colonies. Because as you seen, Spanish history is not only a benefit for Spaniards. no!

Spanish History is a culture that we all share, we brothers and sisters of the Latin League. Filipinos, Mexicans, Argentinians, Bolivians, Colombians, Venezuelans, Cubanos, Puerto Ricans, Guamanians, etc etc. For we all were once part of the Spanish Empire. It is our history. Ours to learn, ours to tap on, ours to never forget.

God Bless! Viva Filipinas! Viva Espana!

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« Reply #59 on: August 30, 2009, 01:43:01 AM »
Now in the spirit of Rizal.

Who, throughout his life, never once cursed Spain or condemned Spain, but was critical of the practices of the established political authorities in the Philippines (namely the peninsulares and the church officials).

I think it is beautiful how history has cleared the name of Rizal.

I cry sometimes knowing that the great Rizal wrote his last written piece, "Mi Ultimo Adios" in Spanish. He didnt' write it in his native Tagalog, but in Spanish, the language of those who were going to execute him.

In the end, he maintained his calm and spirited demeanor. And I cry sometimes knowing that the great Rizal is now even remembered and honored in Spain. The land that exposed him to the European Enlightenment.

That in the end, he is counted by Spaniards as "Hijo de Espana". (Son of Spain).

I believe, if Rizal were alive today, he would have smiled at that.
And the progress the Filipinos have had since the late 19th century. In the world that he lived. The society at the time.


Long Live the name of Jose Potracio Rizal y Alonso!
Forever will he be the Father of the Philippine Republic!
And a Blessing to Spain!



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