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« Reply #40 on: July 01, 2009, 01:21:38 PM »
An auditory illustration:
José Luis Rodríguez Zapatero, Prime Minister of Spain.
---Notice and listen to how hoe speaks, so very light, yet so quick. Notice the tencing. hehe.




One of the most beautiful languages in all of Europe.
---Royal Spanish.

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« Reply #41 on: July 01, 2009, 01:28:44 PM »
Ja, Usted sabe,  ingles;  realmente ese duro porque hay solidez en su tencing. Si usted puede dominar ingles, usted puede dominar facilmente aleman e incluso holandes. El espanol, por una parte es latin derivado. Lleva a cabo tan apariencia al estilo arcaico del viejo latin. Iguales para el italiano, e incluso el frances. hehe. Altavoces rapidos.

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« Reply #42 on: July 01, 2009, 02:06:24 PM »
Ang "spooting" di man tingali mahimong gikan sa Spanish, kay "espooting" unta. Ang Spanish tongue ordinarily di man maka-pronounce sa inital "sp-" sound. Ilang butangag vowel or at least schwa sound before the "sp-", sama sa ilang gibuhat long ago sa mga Latin nga pulong nga misulod sa ilang vocabulary.  In fact, sigun sa mga Bisayista, ang "spelling" sa Binisaya "espeling" ("panitik" sa lunsayng Binisaya), obviously due to Spanish influence (and to our own Austronesian tongue, of course). 
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« Reply #43 on: July 01, 2009, 02:17:43 PM »
lol! interesting reasoning you have there, Hubag.


Spanish is two sided. imho. Its a fairly easy language to master, but just like Classical Latin, the language is very archaic in its simplicity. Archaic in that its tensing is basic, but have clauses that if one were to transliterate in say English or German, or any other non-Latin language, would be difficult.

Spanish, literally is a hybrid of Old Roman Latin. A 'slang' version of Roman Latin. An effect of a millenia of diction.

Italian and Spanish are very similar, but, honestly, both are archaic in linguistic terms.

Since the Father Language---LATIN---to which Spanish and Italian sprouted from, was in itself an archaic language.



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« Reply #44 on: July 01, 2009, 02:24:38 PM »
The twenty countries where Spanish is spoken each has its own ideas about what words mean, and often a common word in one location can be highly offensive or pejorative in another. Or the meaning may be entirely different, and at times it may mean nothing at all.

The idiom “en bolas” is a prime example. In Spain, it means "naked, nude, in the buff," but in Mexico, this phrase is used to mean "in a group" or "together." Imagine the possible confusion in a group of people from Spain and Mexico.

Worse are words like coger, which in Spain is a common verb used to mean "to catch [a bus, train, taxi, etc.]," along with many similar meanings, but throughout most of Latin America, it means "to 'elope'," and therefore isn't used much in daily conversation.

It gets even worse with Spanglish, the hybrid of English and Spanish used amongst heritage bilinguals in the U.S. This quasi-language varies from region to region, sometimes even from neighborhood to neighborhood, and that's before the personal code-switching among users starts.

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« Reply #45 on: July 01, 2009, 02:30:25 PM »
That is why when I took Spanish in secondary schooling, I opted to learn not the Latin American Form, but the Castillian Form.

When I speak in Spanish I speak in the Castillian Dialect. If I converse with Puerto Ricans, Columbians, Mexicans, etc. They always, most always ask me, "Why are you speaking in Conquistadorlengua?"

Meaning, "Conqueror's Tongue?"

Whether you speak to a Honduran, Mexican, Argentinian, Venezuelan, PuertoRican, etc. IF you speak to them in Castillian Spanish, they will always, always, know what dialect you are using. "Conquistador". lol. But the irony of the situation is that Peruvian Spanish might not make sense to say someone from Venezuela or Mexico.

But all Latin Americans and Americanos del Sur (South Americans) will always know and understand Castiallian Spanish.


It is the 'Proper' Spanish. The Spanish that was meant to have been spoken.

Similar to the English that the British use. The way the British say a word, an English word, is how that word was meant to have been said. :)


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« Reply #46 on: July 01, 2009, 02:30:26 PM »
An archaic language is a language that is no longer used, or not used in everyday life, or used by a limited number of speakers. This certainly does not apply to Spanish. You may say that Spanish has archaic characteristics (as in declension) but it can't, linguistically or otherwise, be called an archaic language.

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« Reply #47 on: July 01, 2009, 02:40:27 PM »
You could say that. It shares the archaic characteristics like Classic Latin. If you understand the tensing system of Latin (Classic Romanum), you'll see and hear that it bears semblance to the present Spanish language.

Simplistic, yet archaic. hehe.

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The archaic form of Spanish that isn't used in Spain today can be seen in the Creole populations of Mexico. Old Mexico. The old Spanish Elites in Mexico still use the Spanish diction that was used in the 16th century. Whereas the Castillian Form is a simplified version of the Old Castillian Form. Which one could consider 'archaic' since it isn't used in Spain anymore.

But does live on in other parts of Latin America, per se in Mexico.

Its really interesting to see the development of language; the formation of slang. Or in this case, a former Spanish colony---being the suppository of the 'old' Castillian. Mexico, as a specific example. When Spaniards, today, want to study how old Castillian is spoken, they study the old Creole Dialect in Mexico.
(Please note that the Creole Dialect in Mexico is not the same as National Mexican Dialect; as Mexican Dialect of Spanish is a gross simplified form of Spanish, in regards to the tensing, and sentence formation).




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« Reply #48 on: July 01, 2009, 03:00:27 PM »
You know, in Philippines, there was a dialect known as Chavacano. It was a mixture of Spanish-and Malay words. But the tensing of Chavacano bore semblance to Old Castillian. hehehe!

Their pronounciaiton of the words, and salutatory is identical to Royal Castillian, albeit it has added native words.

Chavacano is dying language, actually. Very few speak it now openly in the Philippines. To the average Tagalog or Bisayan, they wouldn't understand it at all. As Chavacano has more Spanish than it has native words.

But if one speaks Chavacano to say a Spaniard, Mexican, the latter would understand at least 80-85% of what the Chavacano speaker was trying to say.

It was the imprint of how truly Hispanized we were during the late 19th century.

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« Reply #49 on: July 01, 2009, 03:23:22 PM »
Barrow bitaw siguro ning spooting kay hilig man ning bisaya gud ug pananglitan unya mahug nga mahimo na nuong words.Like anang moingon ug Panahon pa ni Mampor.Kinsa man na si Mampor hehhehe.Ang meaning sa panahon ni Mampor is karaan na. Kanang moingon murag si Sputnik.Matingaa na raman ta kinsa si Sputnik unja diay first earth orbiting satelite man diay na. Naay pay usa moingon ug na Skylab kono means naliso ang turnilyo or nabuang. Kay pag lunch ba to sa skylab daghan nabuang abi ug mahug sa earth ang skylab mao daghan gikabuhi.
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« Reply #50 on: July 01, 2009, 03:24:51 PM »
@Lorenzo. true! I had a Chavacana friend. I can't understand a word she was saying. To think I know Waray, Cebuano and Tagalog. Whew.
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« Reply #51 on: July 02, 2009, 08:41:27 AM »
hehe, yup yup.

I never knew about Chavacano language until my Spanish language teacher, Senora Bonmati told me about it. Then I researched Chavacano dialect, and to my surprise, the language was more Spanish than it was 'Filipino. hehehe.

The old Rich Filipino Peninsulares (The Aristocratic Ruling Class during the late 19th century; the Academics, the Intelligentsias) would speak in Castillian Spanish in the old days to communicate with one another. The Castillian dialect used by the Peninsulares was similar to the Old Creole Dialect used by the Mexicans. It made sense, actually. Since for 300 years, Philippines and Mexico had a direct umbilical cord linking each other. Via the Acapulco Galleon Trade. It was the Acapulco Trade that made Las Filipinas the Jewel of the Spanish Empire.

If you listen to Chavacano speakers talk, and you study it hard, yo will notice that the Spanish they speak is an Archaic form of Castillian. It is the Spanish that was used and spoken by the Conquistadores. To think, the Old Castillian that is now extinct in Spain, itself. Still is alive, in Mexico and parts of Philippines (Chavacano regions). hehehe.

This is a result of 400 years of Spanish-Malay intermixing, and language mixing.

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« Reply #52 on: July 02, 2009, 08:45:34 AM »
To this day, Spanish historians and ethnolinguists that study the progression of Modern Castillian, to the Old and Middle Castillian, use their texts, as well as listen to the dialects in Mexico and in Chavacano regions of Philippines.

Their history still lives in some parts of the Philippines, and Mexico.

Dialects, hehehe. Gotta love 'em.

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« Reply #53 on: July 02, 2009, 09:30:53 AM »
When I was taking Spanish I, we were asked to translate this sentence:
My sweetheart is beautiful.
This is my translation:" Me dulcecorazon is gwapa."
My teacher said." You are making your own Spanish word."
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« Reply #54 on: July 02, 2009, 09:56:58 AM »
lol, Mr. Daray. It came from the heart, thats all that matters. :)

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« Reply #55 on: July 02, 2009, 10:01:42 AM »

Señor FD, yo admiro realmente su pasión para el Internet especialmente en su edad. Comprendo que usted es maestro por profesión. ¿Cuándo se jubila usted? ¿Dónde se asentará usted después de que usted se jubile en Bohol o en Digos?

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« Reply #56 on: July 02, 2009, 10:05:31 AM »

¿El hermano Lorenzo, cómo es usted? ¿Cómo son sus estudios? Espere que usted haga bien y bueno. ¿Cuándo visitará usted Valencia Bohol?


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« Reply #57 on: July 02, 2009, 10:30:46 AM »

opppsss morag na pagan ko dri dah hehehe. maajo man diay mag spanish si Beds....completo pa jud sa inverted Q mark hehe.
i can understand some but my 2 years in college for Spanish was changed to Latin (terra, terrae, terrarum, terris, terra) :'(

Chavacano is still very much spoken in Zamboanga city and some parts of Cavite.  8)
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« Reply #58 on: July 02, 2009, 10:44:37 AM »

Hehe.  www.freetranslation.com  ray katapat ana bro Jam.   haha.

Ako spanish kay "Conot ko, conot nimo, conot natong tanan".  haha.



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« Reply #59 on: July 02, 2009, 10:51:00 AM »
conozco...mao btaw nang komedja ana...

na sabtan man naho tanan except ang jubila...hehe retirement man diay nah...pwde na naho ma translate hehe  ;D



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