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Title: Second Class Language?
Post by: taga tigbao on August 19, 2009, 01:43:51 PM
Second class language?
By Antonio Java
Cebu Daily News First Posted 16:55:00 07/31/2007 Filed Under: Education, Culture (general)
 
I was reading a friend’s blog last week where she made quite an interesting point about the Visayan language: It is a language spoken by a great majority in the country, yet it has become relegated to a sort of second-class tongue.

I’ve stressed in previous columns that the Visayan language or Binisaya is, as languages go, more evolved than most major languages in existence, according to language scholars. The fact that Binisaya is a couple of hundred words larger than, say, Tagalog or English is proof enough of its age and flexibility (just the other day, my barkada was wracking our brains trying to translate the Visayan word “hata” to English. Finding no direct translation, the closest we got was “feint,” though we had to note that to feint is more of a movement meant to mislead or to deceive, while hata is a movement more related to indecisiveness rather than deception).

Some would argue that there is no such thing as a “superior” language. I’d actually tend to agree, since the idea of a language is to communicate ideas. Though one has to admit that certain languages make the transfer of ideas easier and faster than other languages. However, for the transfer of ideas to work, one particular language has to be common between two or more people. So, logically, if a language is spoken by more people, then more people can share ideas, and an idea can spread faster. Right.

Well then, here’s the premise in the Philippines: Tagalog is taught in school. English is taught in school. But when it comes to sheer population, there are more natural Visayan speakers in the country than there are natural Tagalog speakers or English speakers.

So then why, oh why, isn’t Visayan – one of the most beautiful, most evolved, most ancient, and most widely spoken languages in the Philippines – NOT taught in school?

In fact, over the past few decades, Visayan has, unfortunately, been given a stigma or sorts as something inferior. Even some of us Visayan natives refer to something as “Bisaya kaayo” to derogate something. In fact, in many schools, speaking Visayan is practically banned, sometimes with a fine imposed on every instance a student speaks Binisaya.

Can someone please tell me when Binisaya or being Bisaya became something so “wrong” that we have to be fined for it?

It would be easy to blame “imperialist Manila” for the state of Visayan today. Tagalog is spoken in the capital city of Manila, hence, the capital city’s language should be the language of the entire country. I could also easily blame the influences of those who sought to colonize us: The Spanish and the Americans. In attempting to establish a colony here, they had to impose their own culture and language on the natives. No doubt, these things are partly to blame.

But I also blame the Visayans themselves, among whose number I am included, for slipping over the past few decades. I would hardly say that we Visayans were quick to abandon our own in lieu of something new and foreign. If that were so, Binisaya would have been lost to history generations ago. But neither have I seen any major effort for us to retain and educate ourselves of our own native culture. Not Asian culture, not Filipino culture, but Visayan culture.

Now I’m not saying we all start tattooing ourselves and make like our Pintados ancestors; for a culture to survive, it must also evolve. But at the very least, we should teach ourselves our own history, and we should especially teach ourselves our own language. But in this aspect, we are slipping. We’re slipping so much, in fact, that Cebuano, a dialect of the Visayan language, is already so full of words from other languages that while native Cebuano speakers can still understand pure Binisaya, most Cebuanos can’t speak Binisaya fluently.

Don’t get me wrong. I’m not saying that we should stop teaching English in school. English is already the widely accepted “global” language and without it, we miss out on the world. I’m not even saying we stop teaching Tagalog (or what some would like to call “Filipino,” though any Filipino worth his tongue knows that the Filipino language is just what they call Tagalog in an attempt to make it more nationally appealing… emphasis on “attempt”).

What I’m saying is that we Bisayas should not leave out our own native tongue when it comes to the languages we teach our children in school. I’m not merely proposing to allow, or even standardize the use of Bisaya as a language of instruction wherever Bisaya is natively spoken. I say we should have Bisaya classes, where students are TAUGHT proper Binisaya in all its native glory. It’s the most widely used language in the country. WHY NOT?!

And by extension, along with teaching ourselves the proper way to SPEAK Binisaya, perhaps we should even teach ourselves the proper way to WRITE Binisaya. That’s right: Alibata classes, which is applicable to both Binisaya and Tagalog. From my meager experience with Alibata (or Baybayin as it was called in olden times), I’ve discovered that one is actually able to preserve intonations and stress points in the written words through visual representations where it would otherwise be lost if Bisaya words were written in the Roman alphabet (compensated only by a reader’s actual knowledge in Binisaya).

But as it is, no schools I know of teach Binisaya. And I suspect only the most specialized of libraries have literature that teaches a person Alibata.

Well, here’s a factoid for you all: UNESCO estimates that half of the world’s languages are endangered because they are no longer taught or spoken.

When was the last time anyone remembers having Bisaya classes?

Title: Re: Second Class Language?
Post by: ms da binsi on August 19, 2009, 01:47:07 PM
Ambut lang jud kay i am very proud my "Bisaya" dialect.
Title: Re: Second Class Language?
Post by: taga tigbao on August 19, 2009, 02:02:26 PM
Bitaw no. Ngano man pud tong sauna nga ug magBinisaya man kay a multahan man kay mas nindot kono ang Ininglis nga sinultihan.
Title: Re: Second Class Language?
Post by: AsPo on August 19, 2009, 02:40:54 PM
labina adto sa manila,sus bago tang salta ba,magtagalog naay sagol bisaya,hala ingnon na nga si bisaya talaga.
Title: Re: Second Class Language?
Post by: -<GEC348>- on August 19, 2009, 10:09:10 PM


Some schools are starting to teach the Sugbuanon Binisaya language as a formal lesson.

To counter the derogatory connotation of the word "Bisaya" is a matter of branding. Positive branding. I'm thinking like:

Bisaya is beautiful
Lami ang Bisaya
Make love to a Bisaya today  ;D

Title: Re: Second Class Language?
Post by: Koddi Prudente on August 19, 2009, 10:54:15 PM
Engr. Jes B. Tirol teaches Binisaya at the University of Bohol.
Title: Re: Second Class Language?
Post by: benelynne on August 19, 2009, 11:35:21 PM
Napamatud-an na nato sa Lunsayng Binisaya thread nga daghan kaayo'g lain-lain nga conjugation sa verbs, mao sab ang convertion of forms to nouns or adjectives ang Bisaya nga wala sa Tagalog. Daghan pud pulong ug mga kapulong nga wala'y insaktong equivalent sa Tagalog ug English. Angay ilhon ang Bisaya isip usa ka pinulungan ug dili isagol sa Tagalog.
Title: Re: Second Class Language?
Post by: ms da binsi on August 20, 2009, 01:22:14 AM


GEC, known raba jud ang bisaya, GWAPO/GWAPA! (tinuod jud na)
Title: Re: Second Class Language?
Post by: -<GEC348>- on August 20, 2009, 01:33:02 AM


Arang gajung tinoora, MsDaBinz.

Bisan matulog, arang gwapaha.
Lami idulog, aron hinanok   ;D




Title: Re: Second Class Language?
Post by: ms da binsi on August 20, 2009, 01:35:51 AM

na unsa man ka ron ng amura man ka'g nakatomar ug BAYAG'RA!!! hahahha!
Title: Re: Second Class Language?
Post by: -<GEC348>- on August 20, 2009, 01:43:46 AM


Arang gajung tinoora, MsDaBinz

Kay lagi nakatomar, mao nga mitukar

;D

Title: Re: Second Class Language?
Post by: ms da binsi on August 20, 2009, 01:46:00 AM



hhhmmmp! :-X

bwahahhaa (di matabang oi mo banganga man jud ko ug katawa!)
Title: Re: Second Class Language?
Post by: hubag bohol on August 20, 2009, 10:29:07 AM
Ambot lang kaha sa injong kasinatian, pero sa ahong nahimamat nga mga Bisaya in quite a good number of different places in the world, proud man kaajo sila sa ilang pagka-Bisaya. Naay uban nga frontal kaajo sa ilang advocacy for our language, naay uban nga medjo fino ang approach. Pero naay usa ka butang nga seguro ko: ang atong pinulongan dili kandidato sa extinction, ug kitang tanan nga nahigugma niini maoy mopaseguro nga dili lang kay motunhay ang atong pinulongan kon dili ilhon ni as a major world language in a matter of a generation or two.
Title: Re: Second Class Language?
Post by: ms da binsi on August 20, 2009, 10:47:48 AM

Advantage raba nato ni atong dialect kay naay spanish. French, Portuguese, latin, italian ug bisaya  preho-preho raman sa Spanish. So di jud ni mawala.
Title: Re: Second Class Language?
Post by: benelynne on August 20, 2009, 01:17:26 PM
Maayo pud ning internet kay kitang mga gihidlaw sa kaugalingong sinultian bisag asa sa kalibutan dali ra magtapok-tapok ug mag-quorum. Ang tinuod, ug wala pa ang TB, lisdan na ko mag-Binisaya. Dakong pasalamat nako sa mga higala nato diri nga sige'g tampo sa Lunsayng Binisaya kay daghan ko'g pulong nga nahinumduman ug bag-ong nakat-unan.

Title: Re: Second Class Language?
Post by: taga tigbao on August 20, 2009, 01:56:25 PM
Bitaw, sa tanang ahong giduolan aron pagtagbaw sa ahong kauhaw sa lunsay nga binisaya, ang TB ra gajud mao nakapadaitol sa ijang bugnaw nga tudlo aron mabugnawan ahong gaugang tutunlan sa pagbati sa pinulungang Binisaya.

Mabuhi ta tanang Bisaya! (ajaw lang ug bakod tung gipangpirmahan na sa dagkong wati)
Title: Re: Second Class Language?
Post by: hubag bohol on August 20, 2009, 02:13:45 PM

He he, gikulitog diay sa bugnawng tudlo sa TB ang imong gaugang tutunlan, Bay Tigs. Bitaw, daghang mangungulitog diris TB. Naa puy mga mangunguot, mangungulkog, mamumukiki, ug mamumulikat!

;D
Title: Re: Second Class Language?
Post by: taga tigbao on August 20, 2009, 02:22:43 PM

arang pud sie na! hehehehe. bitaw, dire ra ko kahibawo sa mga Binisaya nga wala na matudlo ug madunggi naho sa ahong nadak-an nga lugar.

wa bay, magpainom dinhi? kana bang magpatagbaw sa ahong kauhaw?
Title: Re: Second Class Language?
Post by: hubag bohol on August 20, 2009, 02:43:37 PM

Mao pud bitaw ahong ganahan diri sa TB kay daghang bag-ong pulong nga atong maantigohan. Bisan wa ta magdako aning mga pulonga, seguro man ta nga Binisaya gihapon ni sila kay gigamit man sa uban nato nga atong ikasinabot, nga sa ato pa, parehas tag pinulongan. Naa lay mga pulong nga tingali gigamit sa usa ka dapit pero lain ang gigamit sa ato. Ang kanindot kay kining tanang Binisaya gihapon.

Sa laing bahin, naay dakong disadvantage ning virtual forum--way inom, ha ha ha. (Oops, gibangkong na, ningkalit hinuon og kauga ahong tunlan!)

;D

Title: Re: Second Class Language?
Post by: taga tigbao on August 20, 2009, 02:46:26 PM

Dia koy tuba nga bahalina ug syoktong nga tinaguan dire. Dali kay atong sugdan kay wa ra bay trabaho ugma. hehehehe

Dia uy sinugbang karne sa baboy ug kilawing kanding. Dia puy kalderetang iro! (patay ta sa PETA!!!!)hehehehe
Title: Re: Second Class Language?
Post by: fdaray on August 20, 2009, 02:51:03 PM

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Magtagay ta pare... tuba tuba lang....ta
Title: Re: Second Class Language?
Post by: hubag bohol on August 20, 2009, 02:53:56 PM
Matay, pulos man jud lami nang imong gitagana para sa long weekend! Pass lang ko nianang kalderetang iro, kag ningbalik na man ko sa original nga PETA (ningbija na ko sa breakaway chapter nga PEOPLE WHO EAT TASTY ANIMALS!)
Title: Re: Second Class Language?
Post by: taga tigbao on August 20, 2009, 02:54:00 PM
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Magtagay ta pare... tuba tuba lang....ta


Mating mura mag suka na ni sir? O wa lamang kaha kabutangi ug tungog mao nang puti gihapon?hehehehe ahak na! Magkilaw na lamang ta.
Title: Re: Second Class Language?
Post by: Candijaynon on August 20, 2009, 02:55:03 PM
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Magtagay ta pare... tuba tuba lang....ta



Sir, wa man lagi color nang imong tuba. Mora man ug lambanog.
Title: Re: Second Class Language?
Post by: taga tigbao on August 20, 2009, 02:59:12 PM

Na, aho na lamang ning ituwa sa among iro ning kalderetang iro. Magkokabildo na ta ug sugod. Dali na.
Title: Re: Second Class Language?
Post by: hubag bohol on August 20, 2009, 03:03:17 PM
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Magtagay ta pare... tuba tuba lang....ta


Morag duda man ko aning imong tuba nga gidalit, Mr. FD. Dili kaha ni Datu Puti? ;D
Title: Re: Second Class Language?
Post by: AsPo on August 22, 2009, 08:44:44 AM
hubs wa pay tungog ni mao puti.kan a lang ang tongog inig human og inom aron sa tijan na mapuwa,bahala na tinae mo sagol sa tuba og tongog.
Title: Re: Second Class Language?
Post by: grazie7y on August 22, 2009, 09:00:00 AM

hahaha karon ra ko kita'g buta na puti dah!  basin mao ni pangsagol kon mag puto diay tuod noh!
Title: Re: Second Class Language?
Post by: hubag bohol on August 22, 2009, 09:06:35 AM

Kining tungog, plain coloring ra ba ni, or some kind of preservative? Or flavor enhancer?
Title: Re: Second Class Language?
Post by: AsPo on August 22, 2009, 09:15:12 AM
mura og coloring rani.
Title: Re: Second Class Language?
Post by: hubag bohol on August 23, 2009, 02:22:14 PM
Dili na lang unta diay koloran para dili tay-an ang tinai, he he.
Title: Re: Second Class Language?
Post by: simplylee on August 23, 2009, 02:42:29 PM
 sakto gyod ka bene, ang binisaya mora ug greek ang usa ka pulong daghan ang meaning depende sa gamit sa pulong
Title: Re: Second Class Language?
Post by: hubag bohol on August 23, 2009, 10:15:31 PM
Ang gitawag og agglutination atong mamatikdan sa daghang pinulongan, pero mas extensive and gamit ani sa, among others, Latin, Japanese and Korean and yes, Greek and Malayo-Polynesian languages.
Title: Re: Second Class Language?
Post by: Koddi Prudente on August 23, 2009, 11:57:18 PM
Ang tungog dili lang makahatag og bulok sa tuba, makahatag usab kini og ka-aplod nga maoy kinaiya sa tuba, mora'g pait-pait labi na kon bahal.   
Title: Re: Second Class Language?
Post by: hubag bohol on August 24, 2009, 07:51:26 AM

Tuod no? Kahinumdom ko sa gamay pa ko nga gipatilaw kong tuba (dili pa tingali diay to matawag og tuba) nga gikan pa sa lubi. Tam-is man.
Title: Re: Second Class Language?
Post by: Lorenzo on August 23, 2010, 11:25:31 PM

I am definitely proud of being Bisaya and a student of Bisaya (still learning, still perfecting!).
I definitely do not consider Bisaya a 'second class language', rather a 'first class language'.

Bisdak, for sure.
Title: Re: Second Class Language?
Post by: Koddi Prudente on August 24, 2010, 08:47:06 PM
I always tell people that Binisaya is my mother tongue, English my second language, and Tagalog-based Filipino/Pilipino my third language, almost of the same level with Spanish kon nagpadayon pa ko'g Kinatsila after 12 units of Spanish in college in addition to one school-year of Spanish in high school.
Title: Re: Second Class Language?
Post by: Raquelproud boholana on August 24, 2010, 09:59:56 PM
Diri ra pud ko sa TB na feel at home sa ahong mga binisaya nga nakat unan sa ahong Lola. I just realize nga ang batasan sa akong mga classmates,silingan kaila nga taga amoa towards binisaya wa gihapon mautro.Nganong nakaingon ko ani tungod sa Facebook. Kataw an pa diay nila gihapon ahong binisaya nga perti raba nakong panguykoy ani sa ahong bagobago kay kuno perting lawma. I pity them kay sila ang naingon ug ignorante kay nako hahaha. Daghan bitaw pud ko ug nanumbalik nga pulong nga gipamulong sa akong mga apuhan sa una nga diri na nako sa Tubag Bohol nakit i ug balik. Salamat jud bitaw natong tanan diri.
Title: Re: Second Class Language?
Post by: Lorenzo on August 24, 2010, 11:15:47 PM

Good to know, Rey. When I was in Manila, i communicated via English and when asked if I spoke 'Pilipino', I replied, "Yes, I speak Bisayang Bolanon".
;)

Bisdak Represent!
Title: Re: Second Class Language?
Post by: tarsier on September 17, 2010, 10:23:34 AM
Finally, my Binisaya (Cebuano/Bol-anon) - English dictionary is going to the printing press for publication. It is composed of more than 25,000 words, idioms, colloquials and phrases native to Cebu, Bohol and other Binisaya speaking provinces. It may come out soon in two months. This is my greatest contribution to the perpetuation, growth, modernization and preservation of our language. What is more interesting is it is probably the first dictionary where the Bol-anon version of Binisaya is recognize. All words with "J" and all words used only by Bol-anons are included.
Would welcome any feedback as soon as the book hits the National Bookstore shelves.
Thanks to Tubagbohol. Some of the words included were gleaned from our or your conversations.
Title: Re: Second Class Language?
Post by: Lorenzo on September 17, 2010, 10:29:33 AM
Tarsier,

How can we buy a copy of this? When it is published, would you kindly give us the name of the book? I would love to buy a copy..
Title: Re: Second Class Language?
Post by: tarsier on September 17, 2010, 11:27:05 AM
Bay, My publisher has exclusive right to distribute the book most specifically to the National Bookstore. I will announce in this forum when the book is finally released. NB has nationwide branches hence it would not be difficult to get a copy. Thanks for the interest.
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