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hubag bohol · « **Reply #100 on:** July 09, 2009, 07:27:14 PM »

Sa Pilipinas, ang "karamba" duha ang meaning, depende kon kinsay nagsulti:

1. Kon Katsila, kini expression sa kasuko, katingala, o kasakit. (As in, "Ay, karamba. Donde esta la silya tumba-tumba.")

2. Kon Hapon, ah, buot ipasabot kon diin matawo si Rizal. (So desu ka, Karamba, Raguna.)

Joke joke joke!

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Raquelproud boholana · « **Reply #101 on:** July 09, 2009, 11:48:11 PM »

hahaha nakatawa ko sa imong hinapon Bunchy.
Akong nanay diay naay pagkahapon mo sulti kay laliman ba pud ug mo pronounce ug Bulkan iya ingon Burkan. Na notice na nako sa akong inahan nga ang L pulihan ug R. Mao ra pud na natong mga pinoy ang F pulihan ug P unya ang P pulihan ug F.
Haffy na tang tanan.
Ug mokanta ug videoke Inay pagkapronounce Feelings maingon ani:

Peelings nothing more than peelings
Trying to porget my peelings of hate.

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #102 on:** July 10, 2009, 07:02:03 AM »

Hello everyone! Ask lng ko unsa ang meaning sa word nga "karamba". Mao man gud ni ang ilitok sa ahong Lolo niadtong buhi pa sija kun masuko. Unsa ma ni sija Binisaya, Spanish or Latin? Nagwonder ko ani kay ang ahong Lolo language instructor man gud. Nagteach cya sauna ug Latin, Spanish, English Literature etc. Wa jud nakaako ug pangutana nija kun unsa ni nga word kay nahadlok makasab-an. Strict man gud cja. Ang word nga "Tad" unsa man pud ang meaning.

It is, indeed, Latin-derived.

Anything that is Spanish will be Latin-derived, considering the fact that the present 'Kingdom of Spain' was an Roman Imperial Province known then as 'Colonium Hispanicum'

We need to look at the epistemology of the word 'Ay Caramba' to fully understand the meaning.

First, The word 'Ay' is an Interjection inferring a surprise. Similar to the Filipino interjection of "Hoy!'

The Spanish Word 'Caramba' means an: oath, allegiance. Another term for Caramba in Spanish is the word 'Carajo' , which in English transliteration means: "The look out post of a Spanish galleon/ The Crow's Nest".

Both words "Caramba and Carajo" are derived from the Latin word '"Caraculus".

So the term "Ay Caramba" is an interjection we use in Spanish. To relegate surprise after seeing something, hearing something, or any other negative or positive stimuli that warrants a prompt response from an individual or a group.

Cheers,!

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #103 on:** July 10, 2009, 07:07:54 AM »

The Beauty and Imperial Regality of the Spanish Language, as well as other sister Romance languages (namely: Portuguese, French, Italian, Romanian) honor the beauty and provincial language of the Roman Empire. Latin.

The Language of the Caesars, The Legions, the voice of the Senatorium, The Imperium itself.

The variances in French, Portuguese, Romanian, Italian and Spanish is the very manifestation and illustrative witness to the pleoitropistic nature of language being so spread apart. These languages, indeed, share similar tensing, salutations, conjugations, core wordings due to the shear fact that these languages evolved and are based from LATIN.

But evolved, naturally, through the centuries, an effect, these languages is the very illustration of 'Colloquial Diction' and development of 'Dialect'. In essence, that is what these languages are. Dialects. Dialects of Imperial Latin.

Ave!

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hubag bohol · « **Reply #104 on:** July 10, 2009, 09:08:03 AM »

pleoitropistic

pleoitropistic

Doy, pleiotropic man tingali ang correct spelling and adjectival form sa pulong nga imong gigamit.

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #105 on:** July 10, 2009, 09:10:55 AM »

Hubag,
Pleiotropistic, is what we use in medical terminology. Referring to pleiotropism. Meaning can affect and have various multi-systemic effects. IN this case, the effect is Latin developing into different regions, with dialect formation.

Sorry, not all of us have time to use spell check. hehehe

Info is there tho. I assure you that.

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #106 on:** July 10, 2009, 09:14:13 AM »

I'll give you an example in usage in medical terminology.

Liposarcoma will have pleiotropistic effects if it spreads through the inguinal lymph nodes and the lymphatic systems, perforating into the greater saphenous veins and the lesser saphenous veins. Thereby spreading the tumor to other sites of the body, thereby facilitating the process of metastasis.

Definition ni of Benign Tumor to Malignant Tumor of the Liposarcomic variance.

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #107 on:** July 10, 2009, 09:19:59 AM »

Or another example;

Let us define the processes of Neoplastic Growth:

Withint the human chromosomal variant, there in line lies the P-53 gene (TSG = tumor suppressor gene) and the RB (retinoblastic gene) which are responsible for the regulation of genetic compliance and inhibition of pathological tumoric growth, which is a result of multi-faceted pathology; ieg) environmental, chemico-radial,. If the P-53 gene is mutated in anyway, the genetic malformations that can lead to nuclear transcription of erred m-RNA /Protein derivatives will lead to the facilitation of tumoric growth and eventual endothelial damage, thereby will lead to DIC (disseminated intravascular coagulation). The result of the mutation of the P-53 gene's malformation and eventual cascade of pathological processes that will lead to tumoric growth via neoplastogenesis is by right, an example of Pleiotropistic processes. Pleiotropism.

hehe

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hubag bohol · « **Reply #108 on:** July 10, 2009, 09:23:28 AM »

Sorry, not all of us have time to use spell check. hehehe

He he, of course. Just as most of us don't need to use spell check, but there are others who do.

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #109 on:** July 10, 2009, 09:26:28 AM »

Yup, and us average folks use it. But this is a public forum. So we're pretty laxed here.

Here to have fun. And learn.

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #110 on:** July 10, 2009, 09:31:25 AM »

But back to the main picture (and not picking on the small things), that is the relationship between Ay Caramba and Carajo and the Latin Caraculus.

hehehe. High Yield Info.

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #111 on:** July 10, 2009, 09:34:07 AM »

Response to Candijaynon's question on the epistemology of 'KARAMBA':

My answer:

It is, indeed, Latin-derived.

Anything that is Spanish will be Latin-derived, considering the fact that the present 'Kingdom of Spain' was an Roman Imperial Province known then as 'Colonium Hispanicum'

We need to look at the epistemology of the word 'Ay Caramba' to fully understand the meaning.

First, The word 'Ay' is an Interjection inferring a surprise. Similar to the Filipino interjection of "Hoy!'

The Spanish Word 'Caramba' means an: oath, allegiance. Another term for Caramba in Spanish is the word 'Carajo' , which in English transliteration means: "The look out post of a Spanish galleon/ The Crow's Nest".

Both words "Caramba and Carajo" are derived from the Latin word '"Caraculus".

So the term "Ay Caramba" is an interjection we use in Spanish. To relegate surprise after seeing something, hearing something, or any other negative or positive stimuli that warrants a prompt response from an individual or a group.

Cheers,!

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #112 on:** July 10, 2009, 09:37:32 AM »

And to answer Hubag's post;

The original word is Pleiotropism.
However, we can use pleiotropistic or pleiotropic or pleiotropical.
It's used repetitively in Medical Pharmacology as well as in Systemic Pathology.

I do thank your deep interest in trying to elucidat us on proper spelling. hehehehe.

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hubag bohol · « **Reply #113 on:** July 10, 2009, 09:45:26 AM »

Response to Candijaynon's question on the epistemology of 'KARAMBA':

You must mean "etymology". "Epistemology" is something else altogether.

Sorry for pointing out the small things. The devil is in the details, you know. I hope you care about details, because you are a very religious person. Before you know it, the devil may be upon you.

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #114 on:** July 10, 2009, 09:56:36 AM »

I'm just sharing info for the fun of it, Hubag, not trying to impress or trying to be so proper because, its all for fun, bud. Ning relax raman pood ta ari, hehehe. Its a public forum. Ug mo write ko sa paper, promise ko mo use ko ug spell check. hehehe.

I do stand corrected, I did mean to say Etymology, not Epistemology. Epistemology = the study of knowledge. Etymology is the study of a word. But in all case and purposes, we are studying knowledge. hehehe.

Details are covered, here, and im grateful for your sharp mastery in spelling, pero we are discussing the the word 'CARAMBA'. You're putting too much emphasis on the way I spell words, that have nothing to do with the word 'CARAMBA'. I used the word Pleoiotropistic/Pleiotropic in regards to the development of the Latin Language, and its eventual formation into French, Spanish, Italian (all the romance languages etc). hehehe.

You're focusing on the wrong thing. Focus on the subject matter. You can get lost in the information we're trying to share here. hehehe. Stick to the big picture, else you loose the main point of the discussion. (which you did, unfortunately)

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You see, Hubag, understanding the word and its meaning is like understanding and reading the Bible. One needs to DISCERN the meaning of the word, and its true meaning, and stick to the main picture. What you are doing is similar to selectively reading a verse, and not reading the entire passage in a particular biblical gospel. hehehe!
Ug mo follow ka ing anang style nimo, ma confused jud ka if you read the bible because the best way to read scripture is to read passage by passage in relation to the entire message of that chapter, or book and then compare it to the message of other books in scripture. hehehe.
Too busy ra pood ka to compare the greek spelling, the latin spelling, or the simplified english version or bisayan spelling. hehehe. Pariho ra jud na!

Its like a pie. Instead of taking the pie, you are picking on the crust. That kind of mentality.

Claro?

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hubag bohol · « **Reply #115 on:** July 10, 2009, 10:09:12 AM »

Be good, Hubag. Relax pood. You can't be right all the time.

He he, yes of course. I've just been relaxing all this time.

And-- I rest my case. (Now I can't say if I'm right in doing so.)

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #116 on:** July 10, 2009, 10:13:08 AM »

Final Analysis: Even when people give an answer to a question, still there will be others who will pick and focus on something that is irrelevant to the answer. And to the subject matter.

What can we do, that is life, can't please everyone.

Next!

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #117 on:** July 10, 2009, 10:42:34 AM »

No wonder when I try to speak the language everyone tells me to balidad sa Englis. yes' visay is gahay (hard) for me to master muster what-ever!

lol!

lol, Priscilla, I really admire your ability to try to understand Bisaya, albeit the fact that it isn't your primary language. I highly respect that.
As for me, there are so much of the Bisayan language that I don't understand, I can understand it by ear, but writing it is difficult, as I never had any formal schooling in how to write in Bisayan. Its really interesting trying to learn Bisaya, but its a process.

And im sure, you've enjoyed it eh? I've developed a new-found love for Bisaya, actually these few years. Reading and being exposed to balaks here is definitely a motivating factor in mastering my ancestral tongue.

Tagalog tho, thats a different matter. hehehehe

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #118 on:** July 10, 2009, 10:53:23 AM »

Another word that is used in Filipino that is of Hispanic origin is : 'PARE'

The term Pare is used by Filipinos to refer to a friend, close confidant, almost like a brother.
There is no Spanish Word 'Pare' but there is a Spanish word close to it, called "COMPADRE"

Compadre in Spanish means "co-parent" or "other parent"

Same thing for the word 'MARE' referring to a woman's friend, close confidant.
Influenced by the Spanish word 'MADRE' which means 'mother'.

hehehe. cool eh?

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #119 on:** July 10, 2009, 11:01:24 AM »

Interestingly enough there are two meanings for the word Pare/ Pari (both words pronounced Pa Re).

One, the former refers to a friend, "Pare Ko" (like the song, hehehe).

And the latter, referring to a priest.

I can understand where the world Pari (or sometimes spelled pare) coming from the word 'Padre' meaning Father.

Interesting tho.

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #120 on:** July 10, 2009, 11:07:22 AM »

I think the term Pare is just a Filipinoized version of Compadre, which in this case, developed a different meaning. Since Filipino tend to have a habit of changing the meaning of a Spanish word to suite the local tongue.

EX) The word Siempre which means "Always" in Spanish, but in the Filipino language, Siempre or written in the local form of "Syempre" has taken up a new meaning of "Of Course."

And we know that this is incorrect, since the Spanish word for 'Of Course' is : Por Supuesto/ Supuesto Si.

Same thing for the Spanish greeting : Como Esta?
Filipinoized as: Kummusta Ka. 'Kummu Sta' being the localized form of 'Como Esta?'
The addition of the word 'Ka' signifying a question to another person.

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #121 on:** July 10, 2009, 11:40:05 AM »

Another word that I also wanted to share is the word 'Erro' referring to Dog.
The Spanish word for dog is Perro.

I know the term 'itoy' means puppy, just wanted to know if itoy is an authentic Filipino word, or is it based on 'erro'?

Thanks in advance!
Yo Voy!

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hubag bohol · « **Reply #122 on:** July 10, 2009, 11:40:50 AM »

You see, Hubag, understanding the word and its meaning is like understanding and reading the Bible. One needs to DISCERN the meaning of the word, and its true meaning, and stick to the main picture. What you are doing is similar to selectively reading a verse, and not reading the entire passage in a particular biblical gospel. hehehe!
Ug mo follow ka ing anang style nimo, ma confused jud ka if you read the bible because the best way to read scripture is to read passage by passage in relation to the entire message of that chapter, or book and then compare it to the message of other books in scripture. hehehe.

Ha ha ha. Doy, you really gladden my heart. You remind me of 2 Corinthians 11:19. Cheers!

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #123 on:** July 10, 2009, 11:46:31 AM »

Ha ha ha. Doy, you really gladden my heart. You remind me of 2 Corinthians 11:19. Cheers!

Of course, and so are you! We are all foolish in the eyes of God.

Better yet, since I am a fool (as you are referring to me), then I trust in this verse:

1 Corinthians 1:27
But God chose the foolish things of the world to shame the wise; God chose the weak things of the world to shame the strong.

1 Corinthians 1:25
For the foolishness of God is wiser than man's wisdom, and the weakness of God is stronger than man's strength.

In that case, Id rather be the foolishness of God. hehehe.

God Bless you too, Hubag!

A foolishness of God,
Lorenzo

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #124 on:** July 10, 2009, 11:50:03 AM »

Again, like I said, you did exactly what I expected you would do. Pick and choose a verse to make a point (to negate a person), but as I told you in my last post, instead of pick and choosing, you should READ THE WHOLE VERSE in order to properly know the true and absolute meaning.

God knows what is our hearts. Even before you usher it. heheh.

Christ Jesus' Name!
Amen!

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #125 on:** July 10, 2009, 11:54:03 AM »

This refers back, actually, it parallels the entire continuum of my conversation with you. Instead of focusing on the total picture, you pick and choose. Hey, but thats okay, if that is how you work and go about your business, then by all means.

Just don't confuse the readers. You've strayed from the entire point of the posts.

Back to topic.

God Bless,
Lorenzo

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Koddi Prudente · « **Reply #126 on:** July 10, 2009, 08:16:30 PM »

Nganong "tuba" man ang tawag kon mag "harvest" og saging?

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benelynne · « **Reply #127 on:** July 10, 2009, 10:29:57 PM »

According to my Universidad de Chicago Diccionario, doncella means virgin, maiden; maidservant.

I wonder if upward class mobility has turned the "maidservant" to a "lady of the court" in 20 years, when I bought this dictionary.

Actually, no it does not.

The word Doncella literally means "Pretty Lady, Beautiful girl"

The meaning has changed over the years; and from region to region it is used.

It can be used as: Esa doncella es mi hija. (My daughter is very pretty)
---This is the MODERN way of using it--

Historically, doncella would be used to refer to a lady of the court. A lady in waiting. Noble lady. Literally and figuratively.

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Again, remember that there are over 600 million Spanish speakers in the world. The majority of whom are in Latin and South America.

Only 40-50 million are from Spain.

Idioms that are used will differ from region to region. And every region will apply their own meaning for a particular word/phrase. hehehe.

Its pretty cool tho isn't it? The evolution of language. The transformation of the original.

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benelynne · « **Reply #128 on:** July 10, 2009, 10:38:32 PM »

Ha ha. Delayed reaction ko. Murag nahibalik na ta sa thread ani, kay mao man ni ang pinakasinugdanan nga tonada sa discussion.

Sa Pilipinas, ang "karamba" duha ang meaning, depende kon kinsay nagsulti:

1. Kon Katsila, kini expression sa kasuko, katingala, o kasakit. (As in, "Ay, karamba. Donde esta la silya tumba-tumba.")

2. Kon Hapon, ah, buot ipasabot kon diin matawo si Rizal. (So desu ka, Karamba, Raguna.)

Joke joke joke!

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #129 on:** July 11, 2009, 01:01:33 AM »

Thanks for redirecting the thread back to its original direction, Mr. Benne, hehehe.

The word Doncella literally means a virgin, maiden, honored girl.

When we study the etymology of the word itself it has the honorific prefix of 'Don' meaning and regarding honor, 'an individual of the court'. and the Suffix of 'cella' is based on the Spanish word for 'Her/ girl' which is "Ella" or in the plural form "Ellos" (in the masculine) or "Ellas" (in the feminine)

Combine the two together: Don ella = Doncella.
And honored girl, a woman or lady with honor.
Honor in those days, in the time epochs prior to modernization refers to Nobility.
A noble woman can be either: 1) a virgin, 2) a lady of the court 3) of royal blood.

That is what I'm trying to get across. The meaning has changed as the epochs modernized. What was once used to refer to a woman of nobility, to be honored, has now taken up a meaning of virgin, pretty, beautiful.

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #130 on:** July 11, 2009, 03:06:06 AM »

When one refers to a Spanish word, one has to be ready to understand and accept the fact that there will be different meanings for a word, in relation to the English transliteration.

The meaning of a word in Spain, may have a totally different meaning in say in Mexico, or Argetinina etc.

Let me give you guys an example of the multifaceted nature of the Spanish language:

English Form: Popcorn
Cuba: rositas de maÃz
Argentina: pochoclo
Venezuela: cotufa
Spain: palomitas, palomitas de maÃz

another,

English Form: Recreational Vehicle
Bolivia: vagoneta
Chile: casa rodante
Mexico: camper
Puerto Rico: RV
Spain: caravana
Venezuela: vehÃculo recreacional

another,

English Form: Sidewalk
Mexico: banqueta, acera
In many countries: "acera"
Comment:::: In Spain: "banqueta" is a bench; so as you see in Mexico the word Banqueto is used to refer to 'sidewalk' whereas in MOTHER SPAIN, the wod 'Banqueta' means Bench. hehehehehe

another pa,

English Form: Eye-glasses
Colombia: gafas, lentes
Cuba, Puerto Rico: espejuelos
Dominican Republic, Ecuador, Panama, Peru, MÃ©xico, Venezuela: lentes
Spain: gafas

The word "Anteojos" is an old word for eyeglasses. Old fashion type of word that no longer is used in Spain or Mexico.

Philippines uses the word "Anteojos" because the Spanish in the Philippines is based on Old Castillian. hehehehe. The language of the conquistadores (from the 17-18th centuries)

Cheers!

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #131 on:** July 11, 2009, 03:25:13 AM »

That is why when one studies Chavacano, a Hispanized Filipino Dialect, and compares that language and some of its words to modern simplified Spanish that is used in presetn day Spain, one will see and observe differences in wordings. Different words are used. Same applies to the Creole Dialect in Mexico.

The reason for this is because the Spanish used in Spain (simplified Castillian) no longer uses old terminology as seen in Old Castillian. There no longer is great emphasis on salutation, or the use of the proverbial status differentiation. The word Senores, Senor, is generalized now in modern Spanish. In the times of the Conquistadores, during the height of Pax Hispanica, that word and title was reserved for land-owning Spanish men, namely, reputable men. Or if one was of noble class it would be common to address that individual as "Don Senor" , which is equivalent to 'Lord Sir'.

If you read Middle English or Victorian style English, it illustrates the same kind of formality. hehehe. Properness.

Like I said before in previous posts in this thread, there are some words that are of Spanish Origin that is used in the Philippines that have evolved a totally different meaning from the original. The reasons could range from 1) Definition and term just changed over the years or 2) the local people just made up a new meaning for that word when applied to the local tongue.

And from the examples I gave, the latter was the case even in Viceroyalidad de Nueva Espana (Mexico), which was a Royal Spanish Power base back 2-3 centuries. If Mexico, a bastion of Spanish architecture, language, and arts, will deveop its own meaning of a word that is totally different from that of Espana Madre, then of course, by right, one isn't surprised if the same manifestation occurs in say the Philippines, which was an overseas province of Viceroyalidad de Nueva Espana from the 16th century till the early 19th century, when Nueva Espana (Mexico) severed its umbilical cord with Spain, thereby earning independence.

Food for thought. hehehehe

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hubag bohol · « **Reply #132 on:** July 11, 2009, 05:08:04 AM »

According to my Universidad de Chicago Diccionario, doncella means virgin, maiden; maidservant.

I wonder if upward class mobility has turned the "maidservant" to a "lady of the court" in 20 years, when I bought this dictionary.

Alang sa usa ka makinaadmanong pagpatin-aw sa gigikanan ining pulonga, palihog susiha ang http://etimologias.dechile.net/?doncella.

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #133 on:** July 11, 2009, 05:13:16 AM »

Thanks for sharing that link.

My observation was correct.

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #134 on:** July 11, 2009, 05:18:38 AM »

la palabra doncella viene de latin domnicilla, que es un diminutivo de domina, 'senora, duena'. El termino dominus 'senor' viene del griego domos, palacio, templo, tienda, camara, y en general, edificasion...."

The word doncella "maid" is the dimunitive form of lady....

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #135 on:** July 11, 2009, 05:25:44 AM »

The latin word domnicella is the dimunitive form of the Latin Word "Domina)= Lady (Senora)

since, the Latin word "Dominus" is the latin equivalent for Senor (Sir, Lord)

Hence, Domnicella

Hence the term we have "ANO DOMINI" (year of our lord)
In this case the feminine form of DOMINUS = DOMINA

And the dimunitive form for DOMINA = Domnicella

Meaning, a little girl of the court, court girl, of nobility.

Everyting is based on Latin.

Cheers!

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #136 on:** July 11, 2009, 05:26:48 AM »

Domnicella (latin form) and Doncella (Spanish Form)

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #137 on:** July 11, 2009, 05:34:30 AM »

The development of the definition of Doncella meaning 'virgin' came after the fact. Spanish, is derived directly from Latin. And the ultimate meanin of Doncella is based on Domnicella. Which if we litereally translate, means "little lordess" or "young lady of the court"

DOMINUS = LORD
DOMINA = Feminine form of LORD
Domnicella = dimunitive form of the feminine form of Lord

The latin word for virgin is Virgo, and its literal definition is: maiden, virgin, young girl.
The spanish word for Virgin is = virgen (pronounced birhen)

Used in the descriptive : La Virgen Santa Maria, Madre de Jesu Cristo El Salvador de Todos.
(The Virgin Mary, Mother of our Savior, Jesus Christ).

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Koddi Prudente · « **Reply #138 on:** July 12, 2009, 08:52:10 PM »

Naa tay panultihon nga "Bata ka pa sa duyan". Dili ni siya ma translate into "You are younger than a hammock." Ang buot ipasabot niini, dili ka pa angayan mobuhat og binuhatan sa mga tigulang o edaran na kay bata ka pa kaayo.

The Tagalog "Nagbubuhat ng sariling bangko" dili mahubad nga "Nag-alsa sa kaugalingong lingkoranan" kay idiom man ang nahauna. Mahubad lang kini sa pulong "naghinambog."

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hubag bohol · « **Reply #139 on:** July 13, 2009, 09:23:54 AM »

The Tagalog "Nagbubuhat ng sariling bangko" dili mahubad nga "Nag-alsa sa kaugalingong lingkoranan" kay idiom man ang nahauna. Mahubad lang kini sa pulong "naghinambog."

Bay Koddi, samtang nia ta ani nga topic, kining "pagarpar", Binisaya ba jud ni? Dugay na man kong kadungog aning pulonga--mogamit man gani ko ani. Dili na pud kaha ni naay Spanish root, pagar?

Akong gi-refer sa www.binisaya.com, mao ni ang main definition didto: "an obnoxious and foolish and loquacious talker". Interestingly, ang second definiton kay "any of various insectivorous Old World birds with a loud incessant song; in some classifications considered members of the family Muscicapidae." Naa ba sa ato ning langgama?

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Koddi Prudente · « **Reply #140 on:** July 13, 2009, 10:27:56 PM »

Bay Koddi, samtang nia ta ani nga topic, kining "pagarpar", Binisaya ba jud ni? Dugay na man kong kadungog aning pulonga--mogamit man gani ko ani. Dili na pud kaha ni naay Spanish root, pagar?

Akong gi-refer sa www.binisaya.com, mao ni ang main definition didto: "an obnoxious and foolish and loquacious talker". Interestingly, ang second definiton kay "any of various insectivorous Old World birds with a loud incessant song; in some classifications considered members of the family Muscicapidae." Naa ba sa ato ning langgama?

Sakto na nga first meaning, pero karon pa ko nakabagat nianang ikaduha.

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hubag bohol · « **Reply #141 on:** July 14, 2009, 07:45:10 AM »

Naa tay panultihon nga "Bata ka pa sa duyan". Dili ni siya ma translate into "You are younger than a hammock." Ang buot ipasabot niini, dili ka pa angayan mobuhat og binuhatan sa mga tigulang o edaran na kay bata ka pa kaayo.

Mao say akong sabot ani nga idiom. Posible pud tingali nga ang literal translation ani kay, "You are still a baby in a hammock." (Awkward hinuon ang syntax.) A similar idiom of censure is used in, "Naa pay gatas imong baba."

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Koddi Prudente · « **Reply #142 on:** July 14, 2009, 10:39:18 PM »

Mao say akong sabot ani nga idiom. Posible pud tingali nga ang literal translation ani kay, "You are still a baby in a hammock." (Awkward hinuon ang syntax.) A similar idiom of censure is used in, "Naa pay gatas imong baba."

Kanang "Naa pay gatas sa imong baba" is not an original Binisaya idiom kay gikan man na sa Tinagalog nga "May gatas ka pa sa labi." Ang idioms man gud, bisan kon ma translate from one language to another, literally, dili necessary nga magamit sa usa ka language nga wala ni siya gamita. Pananglitan, ang Ininglis nga "over a cup of coffee", dili na siya puwede Binisay-on ug gamiton nato nga "ibabaw sa usa ka tasang kape".

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hubag bohol · « **Reply #143 on:** July 15, 2009, 08:33:28 AM »

Kanang "Naa pay gatas sa imong baba" is not an original Binisaya idiom kay gikan man na sa Tinagalog nga "May gatas ka pa sa labi." Ang idioms man gud, bisan kon ma translate from one language to another, literally, dili necessary nga magamit sa usa ka language nga wala ni siya gamita. Pananglitan, ang Ininglis nga "over a cup of coffee", dili na siya puwede Binisay-on ug gamiton nato nga "ibabaw sa usa ka tasang kape".

Aw, gikan diay sa Tagalog ning idioma? Nakadungog man gud ko ani sa Binisaya nga formulation. Sounds to me that it works as well in Cebuano as in Tagalog, unlike your example involving coffee which apparently could not breach the linguistic and cultural divide.

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Koddi Prudente · « **Reply #144 on:** July 15, 2009, 11:04:05 PM »

Aw, gikan diay sa Tagalog ning idioma? Nakadungog man gud ko ani sa Binisaya nga formulation. Sounds to me that it works as well in Cebuano as in Tagalog, unlike your example involving coffee which apparently could not breach the linguistic and cultural divide.

Naa man poy susama nga mga idioms like "isilsil sa imong alimpatakan" or "nail it in your head". Dihay writer nga mi-adapt anang "over a cup of coffee" into "ibabaw sa usa ka tagay", pero tataw kon diin gikan kay dili man ta mosulti niini.

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hubag bohol · « **Reply #145 on:** July 16, 2009, 07:40:01 AM »

Naa man poy susama nga mga idioms like "isilsil sa imong alimpatakan" or "nail it in your head". Dihay writer nga mi-adapt anang "over a cup of coffee" into "ibabaw sa usa ka tagay", pero tataw kon diin gikan kay dili man ta mosulti niini.

Bitaw, artificial may kaajo ang resulta kon i-translate literally ang idiom. It should not even be attempted kay ang idiom natural development man sa pinulongan diin in many cases ang "sound" is as important as "sense". Lisod man gani mahubad and "sense", unsa na kaha ang "sound"!

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Koddi Prudente · « **Reply #146 on:** August 13, 2009, 02:48:58 AM »

The mouse of my computer. "Ang ilaga sa akong kompyuter." he he he.

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Barbaro · « **Reply #147 on:** August 13, 2009, 02:56:36 AM »

A passage way of a crew in Oil RIG or stage modeling called CAT WALK - Iring nag lakaw

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Bambi · « **Reply #148 on:** August 13, 2009, 08:12:07 PM »

A passage way of a crew in Oil RIG or stage modeling called CAT WALK - Iring nag lakaw

whahahaha ...ikaw jod Barbaro, unja unsa may iningles sa "Iring sungkaban"?

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hubag bohol · « **Reply #149 on:** August 23, 2009, 03:51:56 PM »

whahahaha ...ikaw jod Barbaro, unja unsa may iningles sa "Iring sungkaban"?

Pwede thieving cat, pwede pud tingali burglar cat (as opposed to cat burglar). Pwede pud screaming fairy, ha ha ha.

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Koddi Prudente · « **Reply #150 on:** August 23, 2009, 11:44:03 PM »

Translate into English:

Ika pila nga presidente sa Pilipinas si Tita Cory?

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glacier_71 · « **Reply #151 on:** October 21, 2009, 10:24:02 AM »

brutsa

ang pag tatalik sa pamamagitan pag kain sa tinggil ng pek-pek (source: URBAN dictionary)

whahahahahaha

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Chongki · « **Reply #152 on:** October 21, 2009, 10:32:40 AM »

brutsa

ang pag tatalik sa pamamagitan pag kain sa tinggil ng pek-pek (source: URBAN dictionary)

whahahahahaha

so ang pasabut ba sa "brutsalad" ..... "ang pagkain ng pek-pek" na klase-klase...hehehehehehe

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hubag bohol · « **Reply #153 on:** October 21, 2009, 10:36:02 AM »

so ang pasabut ba sa "brutsalad" ..... "ang pagkain ng pek-pek" na klase-klase...hehehehehehe

Bwahaha. Eat all you can diay!

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glacier_71 · « **Reply #154 on:** October 21, 2009, 10:42:02 AM »

so ang pasabut ba sa "brutsalad" ..... "ang pagkain ng pek-pek" na klase-klase...hehehehehehe

Bwahaha. Eat all you can diay!

eat all you can, bay hubs ug nat-cast, sa pagkaong HILAW

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Chongki · « **Reply #155 on:** October 21, 2009, 10:49:12 AM »

hilaw na buhi

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AsPo · « **Reply #156 on:** October 21, 2009, 11:39:05 AM »

eat all you can, bay hubs ug nat-cast, sa pagkaong HILAW

MGA LAHING HAPON,diay mo

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hubag bohol · « **Reply #157 on:** October 21, 2009, 01:22:16 PM »

MGA LAHING HAPON,diay mo

Hapon jud, kay naa may seaweed parehas sa miso soup.

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AsPo · « **Reply #158 on:** October 21, 2009, 01:39:33 PM »

Hapon jud, kay naa may seaweed parehas sa miso soup.

apila ang seaweeds og kaon,ajaw k=lanh ngisi inig human kay unja naa sa ngipon nanangit.

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hubag bohol · « **Reply #159 on:** October 21, 2009, 04:41:23 PM »

eat all you can, bay hubs ug nat-cast, sa pagkaong HILAW

SMORGASBRUTSALAD ang saktong tawag ani, bwahaha.

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Koddi Prudente · « **Reply #160 on:** October 21, 2009, 08:01:14 PM »

Brutsa is brush in English. But brutsa as a vulgar word, unsa may Eninglis . . . fellatio?

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glacier_71 · « **Reply #161 on:** October 21, 2009, 11:45:25 PM »

Brutsa is brush in English. But brutsa as a vulgar word, unsa may Eninglis . . . fellatio?

cunnilingus

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hubag bohol · « **Reply #162 on:** October 22, 2009, 08:32:23 AM »

He he, clinical man jamo ning injong terminology. Kanang idiomatic kuno.

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glacier_71 · « **Reply #163 on:** October 22, 2009, 09:33:30 AM »

He he, clinical man jamo ning injong terminology. Kanang idiomatic kuno.

tila dang kit kit

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taga tigbao · « **Reply #164 on:** October 22, 2009, 10:18:12 AM »

tila dang kit kit

Aguy, gikan pa ko sa reflection mao man dajon ni ahong nabasahan.

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hubag bohol · « **Reply #165 on:** October 22, 2009, 11:29:52 AM »

Aguy, gikan pa ko sa reflection mao man dajon ni ahong nabasahan.

Mao jud tingali ni imong swerte, Bay Tigs.

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hubag bohol · « **Reply #166 on:** October 22, 2009, 11:31:02 AM »

tila dang kit kit

Mora mag nagkaon og buwad nga putpot.

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glacier_71 · « **Reply #167 on:** October 22, 2009, 11:35:17 AM »

Aguy, gikan pa ko sa reflection mao man dajon ni ahong nabasahan.

good point for the next reflection na. bwahahahahaha

Mao jud tingali ni imong swerte, Bay Tigs.

Mora mag nagkaon og buwad nga putpot.

di ba diay to KUSNIT dang KITKIT, bay hubs?

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AsPo · « **Reply #168 on:** October 22, 2009, 11:41:23 AM »

Aguy, gikan pa ko sa reflection mao man dajon ni ahong nabasahan.

panap ong inig basa

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glacier_71 · « **Reply #169 on:** October 22, 2009, 11:43:45 AM »

panap ong inig basa

unsay sap-ongan, cat?

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AsPo · « **Reply #170 on:** October 22, 2009, 11:45:11 AM »

unsay sap-ongan, cat?

ag mata god,dili tong kanunay sap ongan

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willmerit · « **Reply #171 on:** October 22, 2009, 11:45:46 AM »

kay naa pa diay laing sap ungan hehhe

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AsPo · « **Reply #172 on:** October 22, 2009, 11:47:08 AM »

kay naa pa diay laing sap ungan hehhe

naa baja,kay aron dili maghungaw
hahahahhaha

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willmerit · « **Reply #173 on:** October 22, 2009, 11:52:14 AM »

aw o diay hehehe basin panuhoton mahal ra ba ang efficascent oil

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glacier_71 · « **Reply #174 on:** October 22, 2009, 11:54:03 AM »

kay naa pa diay laing sap ungan hehhe

kay ang imo, Will, way sap-ong sap-ong? hahaha

naa baja,kay aron dili maghungaw
hahahahhaha

permi tingali bombahan kay muhumgaw man.

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AsPo · « **Reply #175 on:** October 22, 2009, 11:55:16 AM »

kay ang imo, Will, way sap-ong sap-ong? hahaha

permi tingali bombahan kay muhumgaw man.

gasolinahan pa jud

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willmerit · « **Reply #176 on:** October 22, 2009, 11:56:46 AM »

na lutas oi kay bag o pa baja nanganak, hunggaw pa ni murag langob hehehhe joke

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taga tigbao · « **Reply #177 on:** October 22, 2009, 11:58:20 AM »

Mao jud tingali ni imong swerte, Bay Tigs.

good point for the next reflection na. bwahahahahaha

Suwerte kay I dont need to think sa sunod ireflect. Given na ang topic hasta ang reflection, mobasa na lamang ko ani diay.

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AsPo · « **Reply #178 on:** October 22, 2009, 12:13:55 PM »

na lutas oi kay bag o pa baja nanganak, hunggaw pa ni murag langob hehehhe joke

na patay, nag all by melf na lang diay
peace

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glacier_71 · « **Reply #179 on:** October 22, 2009, 12:42:07 PM »

na lutas oi kay bag o pa baja nanganak, hunggaw pa ni murag langob hehehhe joke

di ba diay ma-washed out na inig agi sa dakong bawod, will? whahahaha

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glacier_71 · « **Reply #180 on:** October 22, 2009, 12:43:19 PM »

Suwerte kay I dont need to think sa sunod ireflect. Given na ang topic hasta ang reflection, mobasa na lamang ko ani diay.

good for one week na, by tigs.

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taga tigbao · « **Reply #181 on:** October 22, 2009, 02:33:09 PM »

good for one week na, by tigs.

maajo ug one week ra bay nga mura naman ni ug lifetime reflection ning giprovide diria. hahahahahaha

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Koddi Prudente · « **Reply #182 on:** October 22, 2009, 11:59:07 PM »

Ug karon, atong balikan ang tanod nga way dagom.

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glacier_71 · « **Reply #183 on:** October 23, 2009, 12:19:13 AM »

Ug karon, atong balikan ang tanod nga way dagom.

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hubag bohol · « **Reply #184 on:** November 26, 2009, 03:44:40 PM »

Ug karon, atong balikan ang tanod nga way dagom.

Wa nay namalik kay tulibagbag man ang tirada sa nagjampungad diri sauna...

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Scarb · « **Reply #185 on:** November 26, 2009, 03:57:46 PM »

Wa nay namalik kay tulibagbag man ang tirada sa nagjampungad diri sauna...

ang nag yawit pod bow !

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bugsay · « **Reply #186 on:** November 26, 2009, 04:02:13 PM »

ug ang ni supo pod...bow!

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Scarb · « **Reply #187 on:** November 26, 2009, 04:16:02 PM »

ug ang ni supo pod...bow!

ug ang misunod pod-yukbo

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bugsay · « **Reply #188 on:** November 26, 2009, 04:17:45 PM »

ug ang misunod pod-yukbo

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Scarb · « **Reply #189 on:** November 26, 2009, 04:27:52 PM »

mikatawa si Surambaw,naunay sa bugsay - peace ! jeheÂ³

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bugsay · « **Reply #190 on:** November 26, 2009, 04:31:27 PM »

mikatawa si Surambaw,naunay sa bugsay - peace ! jeheÂ³

ahaka ani uy! Surambaw gyud?hehehe

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Scarb · « **Reply #191 on:** November 26, 2009, 04:33:13 PM »

ahaka ani uy! Surambaw gyud?hehehe

dli diay ka pasakop sa Surambaw blues group? aherms

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bugsay · « **Reply #192 on:** November 26, 2009, 04:43:16 PM »

dli diay ka pasakop sa Surambaw blues group? aherms

approved without thinking!

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Scarb · « **Reply #193 on:** November 26, 2009, 04:47:37 PM »

approved without thinking!

kana ba ayaw jud pag enaders dara,tabangan jud kag bakobak nya

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hubag bohol · « **Reply #194 on:** November 26, 2009, 05:50:28 PM »

The gods must be crazy, and they seem to be back! Which is the crazier one, the language or all of the above? Bwahaha.

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bugsay · « **Reply #195 on:** November 26, 2009, 06:19:36 PM »

The gods must be crazy, and they seem to be back! Which is the crazier one, the language or all of the above? Bwahaha.

nope.....ang naa's ubos! bwahhahaha

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hubag bohol · « **Reply #196 on:** February 15, 2010, 09:14:51 PM »

nope.....ang naa's ubos! bwahhahaha

Karon, sa taas na pud!

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