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TESTAMENT OF THE HOLY FATHER JOHN PAUL II
« on: November 23, 2009, 02:05:03 AM »
Prior to ds post of mine, allow me to address ds simple prologue to all of you my fellow mortals (Readers)

 Thus, i honestly respect your ways of showing once "FAITH"
     and for whatsoever congregation U belong w/,
        may it be Mormons,Protestants,Jehovahs or so called Born Again Christians.
             Pls. be reminded dat ds post is merely a sort of appreciation;
                HOMILY - Holy FAther JOHN Paul II and his Testament


   I pray dat ds post may not go further
       to an unnecessary debate and transgession
            especially to those who are not Roman Catholic

                                        like urz truly,
                                          Capri Blue


(do i sounds so defensive?) ;D

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Re: TESTAMENT OF THE HOLY FATHER JOHN PAUL II
« Reply #1 on: November 23, 2009, 02:06:24 AM »
   

TESTAMENT OF THE HOLY FATHER
JOHN PAUL II

Totus Tuus ego sum

In the Name of the Most Holy Trinity. Amen.

"Watch, therefore, for you do not know on what day your Lord is coming" (Mt 24: 42) - these words remind me of the last call that will come at whatever time the Lord desires. I want to follow Him and I want all that is part of my earthly life to prepare me for this moment. I do not know when it will come but I place this moment, like all other things, in the hands of the Mother of my Master: Totus Tuus. In these same motherly hands I leave everything and Everyone with whom my life and my vocation have brought me into contact. In these Hands I above all leave the Church, and also my Nation and all humankind. I thank everyone. I ask forgiveness of everyone. I also ask for prayers, so that God's Mercy may prove greater than my own weakness and unworthiness.

During the spiritual exercises I reread the Testament of the Holy Father Paul VI. It was reading it that gave me the incentive to write this Testament.

I leave no possessions of which it will be necessary to dispose. As for the things I use every day, I ask that they be distributed as seems appropriate. Let my personal notes be burned. I ask that Fr Stanis³aw see to this, and I thank him for his help and collaboration, so understanding for so many years. On the other hand, I leave all my other "thank yous" in my heart before God Himself, because it is difficult to express them.

With regard to my funeral, I repeat the instructions that were given by the Holy Father Paul VI (here a note in the margin says: burial in the ground and not in a sarcophagus, 13 March 1992). Let the College of Cardinals and my Fellow Citizens decide on the place.

"apud Dominum misericordia
et copiosa apud Eum redemptio"


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Re: TESTAMENT OF THE HOLY FATHER JOHN PAUL II
« Reply #2 on: November 23, 2009, 02:10:21 AM »
Rome, 6 March 1979

After my death I ask for Holy Masses and prayers

5 February 1990

***

Undated page

I express the most profound trust that, in spite of all my weakness, the Lord will grant me every grace necessary to face, in accordance with His will, any task, test or suffering that He sees fit to ask of His servant during his life. I am also confident that He will never let me fail through some attitude I may have: words, deeds or omissions, in my obligations to this holy Petrine See.

***

24 February to 1 March 1980

Also during these spiritual exercises I reflected on the truth of the Priesthood of Christ in the perspective of that Passing which the moment of death is for each one of us. The Resurrection of Christ is an eloquent [above this word was added decisive] sign of the departure from this world for rebirth in the other, future world.

I therefore read the draft of my Testament as it was recorded last year, also written during the spiritual exercises - I compared it with the Testament of my great Predecessor and Father, Paul VI, with his sublime testimony on the death of a Christian and a Pope - and I reminded myself of the matters mentioned in the draft of 6 March 1979, prepared by me (in a somewhat makeshift manner).

Today, I would like to add just this: that everyone keep the prospect of death in mind and be ready to go before the Lord and Judge - and at the same time Redeemer and Father. So I keep this continuously in my mind, entrusting that decisive moment to the Mother of Christ and of the Church - to the Mother of my hope.

The times we are living in are unspeakably difficult and disturbing. The Church's journey has also become difficult and stressful, a characteristic proof of these times - both for the Faithful and for Pastors. In some Countries (as, for example, those I read about during the spiritual exercises), the Church finds herself in a period of persecution no less evil than the persecutions of the early centuries, indeed worse, because of the degree of ruthlessness and hatred. Sanguis martyrum - semen christianorum ["The blood of martyrs is the seed of Christians" (Tertullian)]. And in addition to this, so many innocent people disappear, even in this Country in which we live....
I would like once again to entrust myself entirely to the Lord's grace. He Himself will decide when and how I am to end my earthly life and my pastoral ministry. In life and in death [I am] Totus Tuus through Mary Immaculate. I hope, in already accepting my death now, that Christ will give me the grace I need for the final passover, that is, [my] Pasch. I also hope that He will make it benefit the important cause I seek to serve: the salvation of men and women, the preservation of the human family and, within in it, all the nations and peoples (among them, I also specifically address my earthly Homeland), useful for the people that He has specially entrusted to me, for the matter of the Church and for the glory of God Himself.

I do not want to add anything to what I wrote a year ago - except to express this readiness and, at the same time, this trust which these spiritual exercises have once again inspired in me.

John Paul II

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Re: TESTAMENT OF THE HOLY FATHER JOHN PAUL II
« Reply #3 on: November 23, 2009, 02:12:38 AM »
5 March 1982

Totus Tuus ego sum

In the course of the spiritual exercises this year I read (several times) the text of my Testament of 6 March 1979. Although I still consider it as temporary (not definitive) I am leaving it in its present form. I am not (for the moment) changing anything, nor do I add anything to the arrangements it contains.

The attack on my life on 13 May 1981 in some way confirmed the exactness of the words I wrote during the spiritual exercises in 1980 (24 February-1 March).

I feel so much more deeply that I am totally in God's Hands - and I remain continuously available to my Lord, entrusting myself to Him through His Immaculate Mother (Totus Tuus).

John Paul PP. II

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Re: TESTAMENT OF THE HOLY FATHER JOHN PAUL II
« Reply #4 on: November 23, 2009, 02:14:34 AM »
Postscript

In connection with the last sentence of my Testament of 6 March 1979 ("Let the College of Cardinals and my Fellow Citizens decide on the place/that is, the place of the funeral") - I explain that I have in mind: the Metropolitan of Krakow or the General Council of the Polish Bishops' Conference - in the meantime, I ask the College of Cardinals to do their best to satisfy the possible requests of those listed above.

* * *

1 March 1985

Once again - with regard to the expression "the College of Cardinals and my Fellow Citizens": the "College of Cardinals" is under no obligation to consult "my Fellow Citizens" on this topic; it may, however, do so, if for some reason it should deem it appropriate.

JPII



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Re: TESTAMENT OF THE HOLY FATHER JOHN PAUL II
« Reply #5 on: November 23, 2009, 02:56:39 AM »
Thanks for sharing this, Ms. Blue~

So sweet to read and remember JP2!
Viva! JP2!

I miss him...

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Re: TESTAMENT OF THE HOLY FATHER JOHN PAUL II
« Reply #6 on: November 23, 2009, 03:04:32 AM »
ja² i adore him Bran² ohom - tnx. for ur reply and "bitte schön" (u're welcome)

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Re: TESTAMENT OF THE HOLY FATHER JOHN PAUL II
« Reply #7 on: November 23, 2009, 03:36:33 AM »
He was such a good guy, father, priest, pope, servant of Christ.

He helped change the world for the better...all for JESUS!

JP2~
JP2~~~

Sancto Sanctum! en Catholica Apostolicum Ecclesiasticum!
Sancto Sanctum!



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Re: TESTAMENT OF THE HOLY FATHER JOHN PAUL II
« Reply #8 on: November 23, 2009, 03:38:38 AM »
In the spirit of the beauty of the message that Ms. Blue shares with us, the following is a prayer written by
the late Pope John Paul II:

Consecration of the Church and the World to the Blessed Virgin Mary,

O you, who more than any other human being
have been consecrated to the Holy Spirit,
help your Son's Church to persevere
in the same consecration,
so that she may pour out upon all men
the ineffable benefits of redemption
and of sanctification
for the liberation of the whole of creation [cf. Rom 8:21].
You, who were with the Church in the beginning of her mission,
intercede for her in order that,
going all over the world,
she may continually teach all the nations
and proclaim the Gospel to every creature.
May the Word of Divine Truth
and the Spirit of Love
find an opening in the hearts of men,
who, without this truth
and without this love
really cannot live the fullness of life.

You, who have known in the fullest way
the power of the Holy Spirit,
when it was granted to you
to conceive in your virginal womb
and to give birth to the Eternal Word,
obtain for the Church
that she may continue to give new birth
through water and the Holy Spirit
to the sons and daughters
of the whole human family,
without any distinction of language,
race, or culture,
giving them in this way
the "power to become children of God" [Jn 1:12].

You, who are so deeply
and maternally bound to the Church,
preceding the whole People of God
along the way of faith,
hope and charity,
embrace all men who are on the way,
pilgrims through temporal life
towards eternal destinies,
with that love which the Divine Redeemer himself,
your Son, poured into your heart from the Cross.
Be the Mother of all our earthly lives,
even when they become tortuous,
in order that we may all find ourselves,
in the end, in that large community
which your Son called the fold,
offering his life for it as the Good Shepherd.

You, who are the first handmaid
of the unity of the body of Christ,
help us, help all the faithful,
who feel so painfully
the drama of the divisions of Christianity,
to seek with constancy the way
to the perfect unity of the Body of Christ
by means of unconditional faithfulness
to the Spirit of Truth and Love,
which was given to them by your Son
at the cost of the cross and of death.

You, who have always wished to serve!
You who serve as mother of the whole family
of the children of God,
obtain for the Church that,
enriched by the Holy Spirit
with the fullness of hierarchical
and charismatic gifts,
she may continue with constancy
towards the future along the way
of that renewal which comes from
what the Holy Spirit says
and which found expression in the teaching of Vatican II,
assuming in this work of renewal everything
that is true and good,
without letting herself be deceived
either in one direction or in the other,
but discerning assiduously
among the signs of the times
what is useful for the coming of the Kingdom of God.

Mother of men and peoples,
you know all their sufferings
and their hopes.
You feel in a motherly way
all the struggles between good and evil,
between the light and the darkness
which shakes the world
accept our cry addresses
to the Holy Spirit
directly to your heart
and embrace with the love of the Mother
and the Handmaid of the Lord
the peoples who await this
embrace the most and likewise the peoples
whose consecration you, too,
are particularly awaiting.
Take under your motherly protection
the whole human family
which we consecrate to you, O Mother,
with affectionate rapture.
May the time of peace and freedom,
the time of truth,
justice and hope,
approach for everyone.

O you,
who through the mystery of your particular holiness,
free of all stain from the moment of your conception
feel in a particular deep way that
"the whole creation has been groaning in travail." [Rom.8:22],
while, "subjected to futility,"
it hopes that it will be
"set free from its bondage to decay" [Rom.8:20-21],
You contribute unceasingly
to the "revealing of the sons of God,"
for whom "the creation waits with eager longing." [Rom. 8:19],
to enter the freedom of their joy [cf. Rom.8:21].

O Mother of Jesus,
now glorified in heaven in body and in soul,
as the image and beginning of the Church,
which is to have its fulfillment
in the future age here on earth,
until the day of the Lord comes [cf. 2 Pet. 3: 10],
do not ceases to shine
before the pilgrim people of God
as a sign of sure hope and consolation (cf. Lumen Gentium 68).

Holy Spirit of God,
Who are worshipped and glorified
with the Father and the Son!
Accept these words of humble consecration
addressed to You in the heart of Mary of Nazareth,
Your bride and mother of the Redeemer,
who the Church too calls her mother,
because right from the Upper Room at Pentecost
she has learned from her own motherly vocation!
Accept these words of the pilgrim Church,
uttered amid toils and joys,
fears and hopes,
words which are the expression
of humble and confident trust,
words with the Church,
forever consecrated to You,
Spirit of the Father
and of the Son,
in the Upper Room at Pentecost,
does not cease to repeat together with you
to her divine Bridegroom.
Come!

"The Spirit and the Bride say to the Lord Jesus
'Come..." [cf. Rev. 22:17].
"Thus the Church is seen to be
a people brought into unity of the Father,
the Son, and the Holy Spirit" (Lumen Gentium, 4).
Thus we repeat today:
"Come", trusting in your motherly intercession,
O Clement, O Loving, O sweet Virgin Mary.

By Pope John Paul II
Prayed before the icon of Our Lady,
in Salus Populi Romani, on December 8,1990.


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Re: TESTAMENT OF THE HOLY FATHER JOHN PAUL II
« Reply #9 on: November 23, 2009, 05:31:57 PM »
excellencia³ Bran² !

oh Holy Father,

  ur good deeds on earth - an exemplar ! yukbo

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Re: TESTAMENT OF THE HOLY FATHER JOHN PAUL II
« Reply #10 on: November 24, 2009, 09:05:05 PM »
I pray that IL PAPA becomes beautified in our lifetime!

For sure I know he is in heaven.

I think he was a true VICAR of Christ here on Earth while he lived.

He showed to the world the Love of GOD.

JP2! I miss you!



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Re: TESTAMENT OF THE HOLY FATHER JOHN PAUL II
« Reply #11 on: November 25, 2009, 04:02:41 AM »
  THE VATICAN SECRET ARCHIVES:
             "THE PAST"



  View of the second hall of the «piano nobile»
      with the marble bust of father Augustin Theiner,
          Prefect of the Vatican Secret Archives
                  between  1855 and 1870.
           Above the door there is the coat of arms
      of Cardinal Scipione Borghese Caffarelli,
  Librarian between 1609 and 1618
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

The modern archives of the Holy See were established thanks to Paul V Borghese around 1610, but the roots of the history of the archives of the Roman Pontiffs reach way back in time, linking up with the very origin, nature, activities and development of the Roman Church itself. Right from the apostolic times, the Popes carefully preserved the manuscripts concerning the exercise of their activities. This collection of manuscripts was kept in the scrinium Sanctae Romanae Ecclesiae that usually followed the Popes in their various residences, but the fragility of the papyrus, normally used at the papal chancery until the XI Century, the transfers and the political upheavals nearly caused the total loss of all the archival material preceding Innocent III.

  From the XI Century onwards, when the Roman Pontiff and his Curia gained a central role, the number of offices of the Curia grew, as well as  the number of archives, and in the XV Century the most precious documents were taken to Castel S. Angelo. After several projects for the creation of a main archive of the Church, Paul V gave the order to transfer the registers of the Papal bulls and briefs, the books of the Camera and the collections of documents up to the papacy of Pius V included, to the three halls next to the Secret Library (the so-called Sale Paoline). This gave life to a new archive «pro privata Romanorum pontificum commoditate» and «ad publicam studiorum utilitatem», for a total of just over three thousand pieces, of which the most important part included the registers of the papal bulls from Innocent III onwards, (Registra Vaticana). The new archive was called «Vatican Secret Archives».

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Re: TESTAMENT OF THE HOLY FATHER JOHN PAUL II
« Reply #12 on: November 25, 2009, 04:08:06 AM »
  The Past -



Departure from Rome of wagons full of works of art and documentation
of the Vatican Secret Archives heading for Paris (anonymous engraving)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

In 1810, by order of Napoleon,
  the archives of the Holy See were taken to Paris,
     and then brought back to the Vatican between 1815 and 1817,
          thus causing great losses.

When the Italian troops conquered Rome in 1870, the archives found outside the Vatican walls were confiscated by the newborn Italian State, thus constituting the core of the new State Archives of Rome.

    In 1881, thanks to the generosity of Leo XIII, scholars were allowed free access to the Vatican Secret Archives, thus becoming one of the most important historical research centres in the world.

   In 1892, a large part of the Dataria Apostolica archives were transferred from the Lateran Palace to the Vatican Archives, along with the bull registers of the Chancery since 1389 (Registra Avenionensia, the ancient Archivum Bullarum) and the Registers of the Petitions since 1417. In the XX Century, as well as the modern part of the archives of the Secretariat of State, arrived the archives of the Briefs Secretariat, of the Roman Rota, of various Congregations (Consistorial, of Bishops and Regulars, of Sacraments, of Rites, of the Council, etc.), of the Apostolic Palace, of the Vatican Council I, of various Nunciatures (especially starting from 1971) and of some Roman noble families linked to the history of the Holy See (Borghese, Boncompagni, Rospigliosi, Ruspoli, Marescotti, Montoro, etc.).

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Re: TESTAMENT OF THE HOLY FATHER JOHN PAUL II
« Reply #13 on: November 25, 2009, 04:23:03 AM »
The Archives are open to Researchers from 16th September to 15th July
 (8:15 a.m. to 1:00 p.m.) from Monday to Saturday.
The Admissions Secretary issues Entry Cards from Monday to Friday from 8:15 a.m. to 10:30 a.m. The periods and days the Archives are closed are shown on the «Archives Calendar».
The Bursar’s Office is open to Researchers from Monday to Saturday,
 from 10:00 a.m. to 12:00 noon.

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Re: TESTAMENT OF THE HOLY FATHER JOHN PAUL II
« Reply #14 on: November 25, 2009, 04:27:05 AM »
great collection Blue...nindot ni imong nakoykoy dah...  8)

i met this great Pope John Paul II in Davao and he's the only Pope that I can remember his real name without much thinking. Even the few polish friends i met here, when I asked them 'who is the greatest pollack or Polish'?...
a few mentioned Lech Walesa, poland's famous solidarity founder...but they don't know the name of JP2....pildi cla naho kay ako ka remember jud pirmi..

Karol Wojtyla (voy-te-wah)...he was the greatest Pope for me and hope he'll be beatified soon. Amen.



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Re: TESTAMENT OF THE HOLY FATHER JOHN PAUL II
« Reply #15 on: November 25, 2009, 04:32:42 AM »

                                     THE VATICAN SECRET ARCHIVES:
                                                  "TODAY"
Some volumes of the fond of the Archivio
della Nunziatura Apostolica in Monaco
(di Baviera)



    On the 16th February 2003, the Supreme Pontiff John Paul II, granted scholars the access to the          documents kept in the archives of the Section for State Relations, of the Secretariat of State
         (formerly the Congregation for Extraordinary Ecclesiastical Affairs)
     
and in the archives of the Apostolic Nunciature in Munich and Berlin,
  regarding the relations between the Holy See and Germany in the period between 1922 and 1939.

In addition, the liberalisation of the access to the consultation of the documents of the papacy of Pius XI (up to February 1939) has been announced for the upcoming 2006.

   Today, the entire documentation kept in the Vatican Secret Archives occupies eighty-five linear kilometres of bookshelves gathered in over six hundred and thirty different fonds (a fond is a body of records with its own unitary nature) and  constantly growing (each year the various papal delegations throughout the world, the Secretariat of State and the various Congregations deposit hundreds of pieces in the Archives), and covers a continued chronological space of over 800 years (from 1198 onwards, with sporadic documents belonging to the X and XI Centuries). The most ancient document preserved in the Vatican Archives is the famous Liber Diurnus Romanorum Pontificum, an ancient book with the statements of the Papal Chancery dating back to VIII Century.



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Re: TESTAMENT OF THE HOLY FATHER JOHN PAUL II
« Reply #16 on: November 25, 2009, 04:40:59 AM »
great collection Blue...nindot ni imong nakoykoy dah...  8)

i met this great Pope John Paul II in Davao and he's the only Pope that I can remember his real name without much thinking. Even the few polish friends i met here, when I asked them 'who is the greatest pollack or Polish'?...
a few mentioned Lech Walesa, poland's famous solidarity founder...but they don't know the name of JP2....pildi cla naho kay ako ka remember jud pirmi..

Karol Wojtyla (voy-te-wah)...he was the greatest Pope for me and hope he'll be beatified soon. Amen.

oi naa diay ka Umangzkie? he³ ala ko kamatikod, bc ko diwe duki² ayeh!

 ja² He was a person bearing unconditional LOVE to mankind
        a vivid worshiper of our Almighty and why some
         attempted to harm him? bcoz of his principle?
         

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Re: TESTAMENT OF THE HOLY FATHER JOHN PAUL II
« Reply #17 on: November 25, 2009, 04:58:21 AM »
oi naa diay ka Umangzkie? he³ ala ko kamatikod, bc ko diwe duki² ayeh!

 ja² He was a person bearing unconditional LOVE to mankind
        a vivid worshiper of our Almighty and why some
         attempted to harm him? bcoz of his principle?
         

matud pa sa uban, pirmi lng man jud naa si 'taning'...mang gubot, mang tempt, etc...

besides JP2 was more than lucky to have survived many years as a pope compared to his predecessor, John Paul I...he only lasted for 33 days, cause of death: still questionable.

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Re: TESTAMENT OF THE HOLY FATHER JOHN PAUL II
« Reply #18 on: November 25, 2009, 05:06:21 AM »
matud pa sa uban, pirmi lng man jud naa si 'taning'...mang gubot, mang tempt, etc...

besides JP2 was more than lucky to have survived many years as a pope compared to his predecessor, John Paul I...he only lasted for 33 days, cause of death: still questionable.

basin part tali na ilang mission on earth,
   ky si Christ btw. daghan man nagdumot nya
       bisan wla syay gibuhat - right?
   

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Re: TESTAMENT OF THE HOLY FATHER JOHN PAUL II
« Reply #19 on: November 25, 2009, 05:13:18 AM »
basin part tali na ilang mission on earth,
   ky si Christ btw. daghan man nagdumot nya
       bisan wla syay gibuhat - right?
   

part man sa mission sa mga pari or religious ang sacrifices but not part to be killed in a conspiracy or unknown reasons.

during His time, naa sab baya sya gibuhat against sa local laws sa mga jews....katong naa sya gipa ayo sa Sabado ba toh unya bawal dw, mao gikalaban sya kay nag selos sa iya mga hypocrites hehehe...during His time wa sya masabtan sa uban...

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Re: TESTAMENT OF THE HOLY FATHER JOHN PAUL II
« Reply #20 on: November 25, 2009, 05:24:41 AM »
part man sa mission sa mga pari or religious ang sacrifices but not part to be killed in a conspiracy or unknown reasons.

during His time, naa sab baya sya gibuhat against sa local laws sa mga jews....katong naa sya gipa ayo sa Sabado ba toh unya bawal dw, mao gikalaban sya kay nag selos sa iya mga hypocrites hehehe...during His time wa sya masabtan sa uban...

aw maingon nato polonga nga preha rapod sa Pope nga daghan nasuko ky
   he was against contraceptives? huh :o
     basin controversial ky madaut man ang ads. sa tighimog supot - got me? ;D

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Re: TESTAMENT OF THE HOLY FATHER JOHN PAUL II
« Reply #21 on: November 25, 2009, 05:33:32 AM »
aw maingon nato polonga nga preha rapod sa Pope nga daghan nasuko ky
   he was against contraceptives? huh :o
     basin controversial ky madaut man ang ads. sa tighimog supot - got me? ;D

korekek...traditional practice na jud ng di pwde ang contraceptives sa simbahan, di na ni cguro ma change, sama ra gud sa mga pari di na jud ka asawa hehehe...di pud pwde ang madre mag misa...i think this will never change in the catholic faith.


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Re: TESTAMENT OF THE HOLY FATHER JOHN PAUL II
« Reply #22 on: November 25, 2009, 05:40:08 AM »
korekek...traditional practice na jud ng di pwde ang contraceptives sa simbahan, di na ni cguro ma change, sama ra gud sa mga pari di na jud ka asawa hehehe...di pud pwde ang madre mag misa...i think this will never change in the catholic faith.


 unja why dli man nila e respeto sa mga dagkog ta-e kon maoy na andan sa RC-alagad?
     anyway ang mga "hoi polloi" migamit man sad sa ilang produkto?

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Re: TESTAMENT OF THE HOLY FATHER JOHN PAUL II
« Reply #23 on: November 25, 2009, 05:50:37 AM »
unja why dli man nila e respeto sa mga dagkog ta-e kon maoy na andan sa RC-alagad?
     anyway ang mga "hoi polloi" migamit man sad sa ilang produkto?

alangin, negocio gud nila...bisag kato-liko members sab cla, piyong lng kay wawarts man ila gusto..

bisan ang 'weltanschauung' sa hoi-polloi ang pag kontrol gamit ang rhythm method, mogamit na lng jud sa contrcep para ma kontorl sab ang factory sa mga bata hehehe....bak 2 topic na ta hehehehe, morag na OT na lagi :)

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« Reply #24 on: November 25, 2009, 06:04:41 AM »
alangin, negocio gud nila...bisag kato-liko members sab cla, piyong lng kay wawarts man ila gusto..

bisan ang 'weltanschauung' sa hoi-polloi ang pag kontrol gamit ang rhythm method, mogamit na lng jud sa contrcep para ma kontorl sab ang factory sa mga bata hehehe....bak 2 topic na ta hehehehe, morag na OT na lagi :)

 whew new " Kunst des Liebens " (arts of Life) and  Humanismuz? huh

     has notha to do w/ d'Holy Father when He said preventing of new life is a Sin
       
          dat was just a statement as wat He believeth,
               but d'hoi polloi freelance cant be avoided whops! (lips sealed)

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Re: TESTAMENT OF THE HOLY FATHER JOHN PAUL II
« Reply #25 on: November 25, 2009, 06:21:55 AM »
whew new " Kunst des Liebens " (arts of Life) and  Humanismuz? huh

     has notha to do w/ d'Holy Father when He said preventing of new life is a Sin
       

i think this statement was referring to the abortion cases & use of contra...
there is nothing wrong if you prevent life by using the rhythm method or natural cycle of a baji...
i cud be wrong bcuz i dont know the whole dogmatic laws of RC faith. :)


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Re: TESTAMENT OF THE HOLY FATHER JOHN PAUL II
« Reply #26 on: November 25, 2009, 11:46:41 AM »
All I have to say is Sancto Sanctum! Sancto Sanctum!

Sancto et humanae vivae!
Sancto et humaae vivae adoramus di Deu en Terra.

{Sanctity of human life, sancity of human life adored to us by GOD in Heaven}


In honor of God the Father, The Holy Spirit and the Son-Jesus Christ,

I declare wth my mouth,: SANCTO SANCTUM! SANCTO SANCTUM! ADORAMUS TE DEO EN TERRA!
ETERNALUS! ETERNALUS, HALLELUJAH! HALLELUJAH DEO EN TERRA!




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« Reply #27 on: November 25, 2009, 11:48:39 AM »
Te Deo En Terra!
Gloria En Excelsis Deo!
Te Deo Vivae Eternalus Majestifucum Eternalus. En Alphaeum et Omegaus!



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Re: TESTAMENT OF THE HOLY FATHER JOHN PAUL II
« Reply #28 on: November 26, 2009, 11:16:02 PM »
Adoramus Eternalus
  Viva Papa JP II

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