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« Reply #20 on: February 13, 2009, 12:24:50 PM »
I'm reading a book now that touches on some of the history of what makes a saint....

At first, "saint" was a term Christians used to refer to each other, but especially to those who knew the earthly Jesus. Peter, Paul, James and John were especially considered saints.

It quickly became a reference to those who were martyred for their faith--Stephen, Paul, Peter. Those who followed the "way" of the cross to martyrdom.

But at first, there was a sort of unity between church authorities (Peter, Paul) and those called "saint." The same way that there was a unity of prophet, holy man and leader in Moses.

Later, especially as Christianity spread (and was eventually no longer as persecuted), hermits were considered saints because they took up a cross of self-denial and world-denial in the name of holiness. Not martyrdom, but a death-to-self.

Still no official process for discerning who was a saint--it was more by popular acclaim and recognition of holiness, humility, charity, prayerfulness, self- and world-denial, etc.

But as hermits were considered saints, there opened a bit of a gap: Those in authority were not automatically considered saints, as the Apostles were. The hermits were outside the authority structure, just as later prophets after Moses were not kings, but outside the religious and political authority structure.

This continued with figures like Francis and Theresa, Catherine of Siena and many others: monks, nuns, etc. With figures like Francis, you have not a hermit so much as both a mystic and a servant of the poor--unlike some mystics, he didn't withdraw from the world like a hermit, although he had his own creative and thorough means of self-denial.

Under that dual (at least) mystic-servant umbrella, there are other mystic-saints, and also other saints who were considered servants of the poor.

And still, a number of popes and bishops are considered saints: Nicolas of Mira (on whom some of the Santa Claus stuff is based) was a bishop, as was Martin of Tours, and others. Pope St. Gregory the Great, and others.

Jerome was both a hermit and a scholar-translator. There is a long tradition of scholar-saints, like Thomas Aquinas and Augustine (also a bishop).

Eventually, after more than a thousand years, they decided there should be an official process. Sometimes it seemed that popular acclamation of a saint elevated people of questionable virtue to sainthood. Having a process with checks and balances, and the official stamp of authority, seemed wise. It was a sort of innovation at first, but one we assume in faith was in harmony with the orginal seed of faith.

The process requires miracles and proofs, and there's a "devil's advocate" (so-called) - or used to be - who looks with care and some skepticism on any claims that might be over-blown, and tries to ensure that the person up for sainthood is actually worthy of the official title. And there are steps along the way. You don't go from nobody to saint in a day. You have to get promoted, sort of, in a step-by-step process.

When one reads through the lives of the saints, one is often struck by the diversity, although the church has favored priests and celebates who belong to religious orders far more than married folks. There are a some exceptions. Two examples: Thomas More, and a 20th century European woman who refused an abortion in spite of the fact that doctors told her a pregnancy would threaten her life--and she died either giving birth or shortly thereafter.

There were other saints who were once married, but separated and got themselves into monestaries and convents before becoming saints. Not exactly the type of role model for those who believe strongly in the sacrament of marriage, but there's a saint for everyone, or just about, we hope.

We still use the term "saint" in the more informal sense: We call saintly people "saints" although it's not official. And all the baptised are considered saints in terms of our calling. Baptism is a very optimistic thing in that way. There is hope for us all, for nothing is impossible with God.
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Re: Saints of the Day
« Reply #21 on: February 13, 2009, 01:08:24 PM »
ako kay na-santos na ko sa pikas thread.

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St. Zosimo Calle, patron saint of Sesame Street.
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Re: Saints of the Day
« Reply #22 on: February 13, 2009, 01:10:15 PM »

paggama na pog stampeta, calle, imong nawong sa atubangan, nya imong pag-ampo sa likud...
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« Reply #23 on: February 13, 2009, 01:14:08 PM »
kahadlok ana bay.

im not comfortable in big crowds bro. how much more if the Pope would canonize me or people from all walks of life would come kneeling before me?

basin mudagan ang ako rebolto!

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Re: Saints of the Day
« Reply #24 on: February 13, 2009, 01:16:30 PM »

mao bitaw na bay, ingnan teka, magpaka-hero sa ka una aron di na ka mahadlok. unsaon nanglaktod man ka. hahahah

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« Reply #25 on: February 13, 2009, 01:23:01 PM »
balik kog marathon rung weekend sa ako dvd collection sa "heroes"

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Re: Saints of the Day
« Reply #26 on: February 13, 2009, 03:27:41 PM »
What are Christian saints according to the Bible?


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Question: "What are Christian saints according to the Bible?"

Answer: The word saint comes from the Greek word "hagios" which means “consecrated to God, holy, sacred, pious." It is almost always used in the plural, “saints.” "…Lord, I have heard from many about this man, how much harm he did to Your saints at Jerusalem" (Acts 9:13). "Now as Peter was traveling through all those regions, he came down also to the saints who lived at Lydda" (Acts 9:32). "And this is just what I did in Jerusalem; not only did I lock up many of the saints in prisons … “(Acts 26:10). There is only one instance of the singular use and that is "Greet every saint in Christ Jesus…" (Philippians 4:21). In Scripture there are 67 uses of the plural “saints” compared to only one use of the singular word “saint.” Even in that one instance, a plurality of saints is in view “…every saint…” (Philippians 4:21).

The idea of the word “saint” is a group of people set apart for the Lord and His kingdom. There are three references referring to godly character of saints; "that you receive her in the Lord in a manner worthy of the saints …" (Romans 16:2). "For the equipping of the saints for the work of service, to the building up of the body of Christ" (Ephesians 4:12). "But immorality or any impurity or greed must not even be named among you, as is proper among saints" (Ephesians 5:3).

Therefore, Scripturally speaking, the “saints” are the body of Christ, Christians, the church. All Christians are considered saints. All Christian are saints…and at the same time are called to be saints. 1 Corinthians 1:2 states it clearly, “To the church of God in Corinth, to those sanctified in Christ Jesus and called to be holy…” The words “sanctified” and “holy” come from the same Greek root as the word that is commonly translated “saints.” Christians are saints by virtue of their connection with Jesus Christ. Christians are called to be saints, to increasingly allow their daily life to more closely match their position in Christ. This is the Biblical description and calling of the saints.

How does the Roman Catholic understanding of “saints” compare with the Biblical teaching? Not very well. In Roman Catholic theology, the saints are in Heaven. In the Bible, the saints are on earth. In Roman Catholic teaching, a person does not become a saint unless he/she is “beatified” or “canonized” by the Pope or prominent bishop. In the Bible, everyone who has received Jesus Christ by faith is a saint. In Roman Catholic practice, the saints are revered, prayed to, and in some instances, worshipped. In the Bible, saints are called to revere, worship, and pray to God alone.


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Re: Saints of the Day
« Reply #27 on: February 13, 2009, 03:59:27 PM »
Pardon me, but do we have here an in-the-making-patron saint of the persecutor of the Roman Catholic Church?

Just asking.

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« Reply #28 on: February 13, 2009, 04:36:06 PM »
Ayaw ko pasanginli bai Calle kay di ko prosecutor of the Roman Church. Dili pod ko mosogot ug mahimong Saint bisag pugson ko.
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« Reply #29 on: February 13, 2009, 05:32:42 PM »
persecutor ako giingun oi. LOL

sajop man ng imung concept sir layman kung unsa ang saint ingun sa santos nga nagpost ana sa taas sa thread.

saint gihapun ka bisan pag dili ka musugot. wa na kay mahimo ana. ug matod pa sa posting sa taas, iworship ka namu.

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« Reply #30 on: February 13, 2009, 06:17:18 PM »
Ania ra ang tubag mga Ondoy;

One of the lines from the posting of Felix, In the Bible, everyone who has received Jesus Christ by faith is a saint.

Okay, have a nice weekend everyone. ;)

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Re: Saints of the Day
« Reply #31 on: February 14, 2009, 12:52:44 AM »

Puno na tanang kapelya sa mga santos, wa na koy kabutangan. Basin ug mahimo na noon kong substitute saint. Di ko ug substitute lang.

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« Reply #32 on: February 14, 2009, 04:48:53 AM »
duha man ning konsepto og santos sa Katoliko
1. naay kanang Santos, nga gi-deklarar sa Simbahan (Santa Teresa)
2. naay kanang santos nga wala i-deklarar sa Simbahan, sama ninyo dinhi nga mga maayo ug mahadlokon sa Ginoo. mas lapad ang kahulugan aning category sa ka-santos, mao nga bisan kinsa, mahimong ilhon usa ka santos.

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« Reply #33 on: February 14, 2009, 07:02:26 AM »
Bohol Saint Michael de Archangel - Protect us Lord .

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Saint Michael the Archangel,
defend us in battle.
Be our protection against the wickedness and snares of the devil.
May God rebuke him, we humbly pray;
and do Thou, O Prince of the Heavenly Host -
by the Divine Power of God -
cast into hell, satan and all the evil spirits,
who roam throughout the world seeking the ruin of souls.

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« Reply #34 on: February 16, 2009, 01:19:06 AM »
St Juliana

According to the account given in this legend, St. Juliana lived in Nicomedia and was betrothed to the Senator Eleusius. Her father Africanus was a pagan and hostile to the Christians. In the persecution of Maximianus, Juliana was beheaded after suffering frightful torturers. Soon after a noble lady, named Sephonia, came through Nicomedia and took the saint's body with her to Italy, and had it buried in Campania. Evidently it was this alleged translation that caused the martyred Juliana, honoured in Nicomedia, to be identified with St. Juliana of Cumae, although they are quite distinct persons. The veneration of St. Juliana of Cumae became very widespread, especially in the Netherlands. At the beginning of the thirteenth century her remains were transferred to Naples. The description of this translation by a contemporary writer is still extant. The feast of the saint is celebrated in the Latin Church on 16 February, in the Greek on 21 December. Her Acts describe the conflicts which she is said to have with the devil; she is represented in pictures with a winged devil whom she leads by a chain.

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« Reply #35 on: February 16, 2009, 02:02:42 AM »
"Those who will contemplate the wounds on My Face here on earth,
shall contemplate it radiant in heaven."
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« Reply #36 on: February 16, 2009, 02:04:05 AM »
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The inestimable promises above are drawn from the works of St. Gertrude, St. Mechtilde and from the writings of Sister Maria de Saint-Pierre, a Carmelite who died at Tours, France in the odor of sanctity.

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« Reply #37 on: February 16, 2009, 03:34:34 AM »
Manay Tess pakipost sad palihug ang story ni Saint Perpetua and Felicity.I really love reading their story of martyrdom.Saint Therese of the child Jesus sad ganahan ko ana mobasa and Saint John Vianney.

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« Reply #38 on: February 16, 2009, 04:00:20 AM »
Perpetua and Felicity were martyred in Carthage by Emperor Septimus Severus in 202 or 203. They were in a large group of Christians who had been rounded up and imprisoned. Perpetua received a dream where she saw a ladder stretching from earth to Heaven covered with sharp implements of torture and a serpent at the bottom. She saw Satyrus, one of their number, run up to the top of the ladder without injury. He encouraged her to ascend, “but mind the serpent.” She used the serpent’s head as if it were the first rung and ascended to Glory. With this vision, she encouraged the others to follow faithfully in martyrdom. St. Satyrus was martyred first, then Perpetua. Then the rest all followed. This was done in the arena as entertainment for the pagans. St. Perpetua was a 22 year-old noblewoman, married, with a newborn son. St. Felicity was a slave and was pregnant. They waited for her to give birth before they martyred her, but they made her watch her seven sons be martyred by various means before her eyes. St. Felicity gave birth to a girl, who was spirited off to be raised by Christians. Then she was thrown to the lions and stabbed with spears. It is said that St. Felicity was martyred 8 times, once with the death of each of her sons, then her own.

St. Felicity - pray for us!


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« Reply #39 on: February 16, 2009, 04:05:00 AM »
St. John Vianney, Priest (Patron of priests) Feast day - August 4 Universally known as the "Cure of Ars)," St. John Mary Vianney was ordained a priest in 1815. Three years later he was made parish priest of Ars, a remote French hamlet, where his reputation as a confessor and director of souls made him known throughout the Christian world. His life was one of extreme mortification.

Accustomed to the most severe austerities, beleaguered by swarms of penitents, and besieged by the devil, this great mystic manifested a imperturbable patience. He was a wonderworker loved by the crowds, but he retained a childlike simplicity, and he remains to this day the living image of the priest after the heart of Christ.

He heard confessions of people from all over the world for the sixteen hours each day. His life was filled with works of charity and love. It is recorded that even the staunchest of sinners were converted at his mere word. He died August 4, 1859, and was canonized May 31, 1925.


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