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Roman Catholic Church on Iglesia Ni Cristo
« on: May 27, 2013, 02:32:29 PM »
The Iglesia ni Cristo (Tagalog, "Church of Christ") claims to be the true Church established by Christ. Felix Manalo, its founder, proclaimed himself God’s prophet. Many tiny sects today claim to be the true Church, and many individuals claim to be God’s prophet. What makes Iglesia ni Cristo different is that it is not as tiny as others.

Since it was founded in the Philippines in 1914, it has grown to more than two hundred congregations in sixty-seven countries outside the Philippines, including an expanding United States contingent. The Iglesia keeps the exact number of members secret, but it is estimated to be between three million and ten million worldwide. It is larger than the Jehovah’s Witnesses, a better known sect (which also claims to be Christ’s true Church). Iglesia is not better known, despite its numbers, because the majority of Iglesia’s members are Filipino. Virtually the only exceptions are a few non-Filipinos who have married into Iglesia families.

The organization publishes two magazines, Pasugo and God’s Message, which devote most of their energies toward condemning other Christian churches, especially the Catholic Church. The majority of the Iglesia’s members are ex-Catholics. The Philippines is the only dominantly Catholic nation in the Far East, with eighty-four percent of its population belonging to the Church. Since this is its largest potential source of converts, Iglesia relies on anti-Catholic scare tactics as support for its own doctrines, which cannot withstand biblical scrutiny. The Iglesia tries to convince people of its doctrines not by proving they are right, but by attempting to prove the Catholic Church’s teachings are wrong.

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Re: Roman Catholic Church on Iglesia Ni Cristo
« Reply #1 on: May 27, 2013, 02:32:56 PM »
Is Christ God?

The Catholic teaching that most draws Iglesia’s fire is Christ’s divinity. Like the Jehovah’s Witnesses, Iglesia claims that Jesus Christ is not God but a created being.

Yet the Bible is clear: "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God" (John 1:1). We know Jesus is the Word because John 1:14 tells us, "The Word was made flesh and dwelt among us." God the Father was not made flesh; it was Jesus, as even Iglesia admits. Jesus is the Word, the Word is God, therefore Jesus is God. Simple, yet Iglesia won’t accept it.

In Deuteronomy 10:17 and 1 Timothy 6:15, God the Father is called the "Lord of lords," yet in other New Testament passages this divine title is applied directly to Jesus. In Revelation 17:14 we read, "They will make war on the Lamb, and the Lamb will conquer them, for he is Lord of lords and King of kings." And in Revelation 19:13–16, John sees Jesus "clad in a robe dipped in blood, and the name by which he is called is The Word of God. . . . On his thigh he has a name inscribed, King of kings and Lord of lords."

The fact that Jesus is God is indicated in numerous places in the New Testament. John 5:18 states that Jewish leaders sought to kill Jesus "because he not only broke the Sabbath but also called God his Father, making himself equal with God." Paul also states that Jesus was equal with God (Phil. 2:6). But if Jesus is equal with the Father, and the Father is a God, then Jesus is a God. Since there is only one God, Jesus and the Father must both be one God—one God in at least two persons (the Holy Spirit, of course, is the third person of the Trinity).

The same is shown in John 8:56–59, where Jesus directly claims to be Yahweh ("I AM"). "‘Your father Abraham rejoiced that he was to see my day; he saw it and was glad.’ The Jews then said to him, ‘You are not yet fifty years old, and you have seen Abraham?’ Jesus said to them, ‘Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.’ So they took up stones to throw at him; but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple." Jesus’ audience understood exactly what he was claiming; that is why they picked up rocks to stone him. They considered him to be b.aspheming God by claiming to be Yahweh.

The same truth is emphasized elsewhere. Paul stated that we are to live "awaiting our blessed hope, the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ" (Titus 2:13). And Peter addressed his second epistle to "those who have obtained a faith of equal standing with ours in the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ" (2 Pet. 1:1).

Jesus is shown to be God most dramatically when Thomas, finally convinced that Jesus has risen, falls down and exclaims, "My Lord and my God!" (John 20:28)—an event many in Iglesia have difficulty dealing with. When confronted with this passage in a debate with Catholic Answers founder Karl Keating, Iglesia apologist Jose Ventilacion replied with a straight face, "Thomas was wrong."

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Re: Roman Catholic Church on Iglesia Ni Cristo
« Reply #2 on: May 27, 2013, 02:33:38 PM »
God’s Messenger?

A litmus test for any religious group is the credibility of its founder in making his claims. Felix Manalo’s credibility and, consequently, his claims, are impossible to take seriously. He claimed to be "God’s messenger," divinely chosen to re-establish the true Church which, according to Manalo, disappeared in the first century due to apostasy. It was his role to restore numerous doctrines that the Church had abandoned. A quick look at Manalo’s background shows where these doctrines came from: Manalo stole them from other quasi-Christian religious sects.

Manalo was baptized a Catholic, but he left the Church as a teen. He became a Protestant, going through five different denominations, including the Seventh-day Adventists. Finally, Manalo started his own church in 1914. In 1919, he left the Philippines because he wanted to learn more about religion. He came to America, to study with Protestants, whom Iglesia would later declare to be apostates, just like Catholics. Why, five years after being called by God to be his "last messenger," did Manalo go to the U.S. to learn from apostates? What could God’s messenger learn from a group that, according to Iglesia, had departed from the true faith?

The explanation is that, contrary to his later claims, Manalo did not believe himself to be God’s final messenger in 1914. He didn’t use the last messenger doctrine until 1922. He appears to have adopted the messenger doctrine in response to a schism in the Iglesia movement. The schism was led by Teogilo Ora, one of its early ministers. Manalo appears to have developed the messenger doctrine to accumulate power and re-assert his leadership in the church.

This poses a problem for Iglesia, because if Manalo had been the new messenger called by God in 1914, why didn’t he tell anybody prior to 1922? Because he didn’t think of it until 1922. His situation in this respect parallels that of Mormonism’s founder Joseph Smith, who claimed that when he was a boy, God appeared to him in a vision and told him all existing churches were corrupt and he was not to join them, that he would lead a movement to restore God’s true Church. But historical records show that Smith did join an inquirer’s class at an established Protestant church after his supposed vision from God. It was only in later years that Smith came up with his version of the "true messenger" doctrine, proving as much of an embarrassment for the Mormon church as Manalo’s similar doctrine does for Iglesia

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Re: Roman Catholic Church on Iglesia Ni Cristo
« Reply #3 on: May 27, 2013, 02:34:11 PM »
Iglesia Prophesied?

A pillar of Iglesia belief is that its emergence in the Philippines was prophesied in the Bible. This idea is supposedly found in Isaiah 43:5–6, which states, "Fear not, for I am with you; I will bring your offspring from the east, and from the west I will gather you; I will say to the north, ‘Give up,’ and the south, ‘Do not withhold; bring my sons from afar and my daughters from the end of the earth.’"

Iglesia argues that in this verse, Isaiah is referring to the "far east" and that this is the place where the "Church of Christ" will emerge in the last days. This point is constantly repeated in Iglesia literature: "The prophecy stated that God’s children shall come from the far east" (Pasugo, March 1975, 6).

But the phrase "far east" is not in the text. In fact, in the Tagalog (Filipino) translation, as well as in the original Hebrew, the words "far" and "east" are not even found in the same verse, yet the Iglesia recklessly combine the two verses to translate "far east." Using this fallacious technique, Iglesia claims that the far east refers to the Philippines.

Iglesia is so determined to convince its followers of this "fact" that it quotes Isaiah 43:5 from an inexact paraphrase by Protestant Bible scholar James Moffatt that reads, "From the far east will I bring your offspring." Citing this mistranslation, one Iglesia work states, "Is it not clear that you can read the words ‘far east’? Clear! Why does not the Tagalog Bible show them? That is not our fault, but that of those who translated the Tagalog Bible from English—the Catholics and Protestants" (Isang Pagbubunyag Sa Iglesia ni Cristo, 1964:131). The Iglesia accuses everyone else of mistranslating the Bible, when it is Iglesia that is taking liberties with the original language.

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Re: Roman Catholic Church on Iglesia Ni Cristo
« Reply #4 on: May 27, 2013, 02:34:36 PM »
The Name Game

Iglesia points to its name as proof it is the true Church. They argue, "What is the name of Christ’s Church, as given in the Bible? It is the ‘Church of Christ.’ Our church is called the ‘Church of Christ.’ Therefore, ours is the Church Christ founded."

Whether or not the exact words "Church of Christ" appear in the Bible is irrelevant, but since Iglesia makes it an issue, it is important to note that the phrase "Church of Christ" never once appears in the Bible.

The verse Iglesia most often quotes on this issue is Romans 16:16: "Greet one another with a holy kiss. All the churches of Christ greet you " (Pasugo, November 1973, 6). But the phrase in this verse is "churches of Christ." And it’s not a technical name. Paul is referring to a collection of local churches, not giving an organizational name.

To get further "proof" of its name, Iglesia cites Acts 20:28: "Take heed therefore . . . to feed the church of Christ which he has purchased with his blood" (Lamsa translation; cited in Pasugo, April 1978). But the Lamsa translation is not based on the original Greek, the language in which the book of Acts was written. In Greek, the phrase is "the church of God" (tan ekklasian tou Theou) not "the church of Christ" (tan ekklasian tou Christou). Iglesia knows this, yet it continues to mislead its members.

Even if the phrase "church of Christ" did appear in the Bible, it would not help Iglesia’s case. Before Manalo started his church, there were already groups calling themselves "the Church of Christ." There are several Protestant denominations that call themselves Church of Christ and use exactly the same argument. Of course, they aren’t the true Church for the same reason Iglesia isn’t—because they were not founded by Christ.

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Re: Roman Catholic Church on Iglesia Ni Cristo
« Reply #5 on: May 27, 2013, 02:34:58 PM »
Did Christ’s Church Apostatize?

The doctrines upon which all Iglesia’s other doctrines depend is its teaching that Christ’s Church apostatized in the early centuries. Like Mormonism, the Jehovah’s Witnesses, and other fringe groups, Iglesia asserts that the early Christian Church suffered a total apostasy. It believes in "the complete disappearance of the first-century Church of Christ and the emergence of the Catholic Church" (Pasugo, July-Aug. 1979, 8 ).

But Jesus promised that his Church would never apostatize. He told Peter, "And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my Church, and the gates of hell will not prevail against it" (Matt. 16:18). If his Church had apostatized, then the gates of hell would have prevailed against it, making Christ a liar.

In other passages, Christ teaches the same truth. In Matthew 28:20 he said, "I am with you always even until the end of the world." And in John 14:16, 18 he said, "And I will pray to the Father, and he will give you another Counselor, to be with you forever ... I will not leave you desolate."

If Iglesia members accept the apostasy doctrine, they make Christ a liar. Since they believe Jesus Christ is not a liar, they are ignoring what Christ promised, and their doctrine contradicts Scripture.

They are, however, fulfilling Scripture. While Jesus taught that his Church would never apostatize, the Bible does teach that there will be a great apostasy, or falling away from the Church. Paul prophesies: "[Do not] be quickly shaken in mind or excited . . . to the effect that the day of the Lord has come. Let no one deceive you in any way; for that day will not come, unless the rebellion [Greek: apostasia] comes first" (2 Thess. 2:2–3); "Now the Spirit expressly says that in later times some will depart from the faith by giving heed to deceitful spirits and doctrines of demons" (1 Tim. 4:1); and, "For the time is coming when people will not endure sound teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own liking, and will turn away from listening to the truth and wander into myths" (2 Tim. 4:3–4). By falling away from the Church, members of Iglesia are committing precisely the kind of apostasy of which they accuse the Catholic Church.

The Bible tells us in 1 John 4:1: "Do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are of God; for many false prophets have gone out into the world." Was Felix Manalo a true prophet? Is his church the "true Church?" If we test the claims of Iglesia ni Cristo, the answer is apparent. His total apostasy doctrine is in flat contradiction to Christ’s teaching. There is no way that Iglesia ni Cristo can be the true Church of Christ.

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Re: Roman Catholic Church on Iglesia Ni Cristo
« Reply #6 on: May 27, 2013, 02:35:50 PM »
NIHIL OBSTAT: I have concluded that the materials
presented in this work are free of doctrinal or moral errors.
Bernadeane Carr, STL, Censor Librorum, August 10, 2004

IMPRIMATUR: In accord with 1983 CIC 827
permission to publish this work is hereby granted.
+Robert H. Brom, Bishop of San Diego, August 10, 2004



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Re: Roman Catholic Church on Iglesia Ni Cristo
« Reply #8 on: May 27, 2013, 02:53:08 PM »
Hehehehe ! When the Church says it, She says it alright... 8)

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« Reply #9 on: May 27, 2013, 02:57:42 PM »
Sus, kung makakita lamang kas ilang TV Show Bro. They cite Catholic books written by priests, bishops and cardinal to prove the Catholic Church doctrines are wrong. What is horrible about these all is that when the cite passages they pick them up such that when taken separately, the phrase/ sentence would be taken our of context. Whew. And so many have left their denominations for this INC thing.

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« Reply #10 on: May 27, 2013, 02:59:57 PM »
Hehehe, okay lang, bro. Their cult is only 100 years old. Holy Mother Church is over 2 thousand years old..empires have risen, fallen, nations made and destroyed. Cults have come and disappeared but Holy Mother Church is still here standing strong and lighting the way for all. Let's just pray for our dear friends in the INC. May God shed light on them.



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« Reply #11 on: May 27, 2013, 03:09:24 PM »
We need to dispense the proper information with them, bro.

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« Reply #12 on: May 27, 2013, 03:35:23 PM »
I have a student before who is an INC member. I have included as part of my test questions Catholic teachings and some quotes from the saints and the Pope. I hope nga naka impact to nila.

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« Reply #13 on: May 27, 2013, 03:38:27 PM »
Hehehe! Bro, off topic ni ha, you're a teacher na diay? Ka ingon ko you're an accountant.

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« Reply #14 on: May 27, 2013, 03:40:31 PM »
Hehehe! Bro, off topic ni ha, you're a teacher na diay? Ka ingon ko you're an accountant.

Haha. Part-time ra Bro. After office hours. I need to shake off pud the constant boredom of accounting works.

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« Reply #15 on: May 27, 2013, 03:43:19 PM »
Hahaha! pariho pod diay ta, bro. Full time sa hospital, pero part time sa college mo teach. Extra incompe pod ba, intawon...

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« Reply #16 on: May 27, 2013, 03:46:10 PM »
Haha. Part-time ra Bro. After office hours. I need to shake off pud the constant boredom of accounting works.

Off topic ni, but i had a recent conversation with my good friend JR. He's getting ordained this summer 2013, btw! He asked me recently about my life and i updated him on my work and studies. Straight to the point lagi ni si JR, "Brother Lorenzo, so you're studying again? Why don't you study the seminary?"

hahahaha!

na nganga na pod ko. ::)

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« Reply #17 on: May 27, 2013, 03:48:14 PM »
Off topic ni, but i had a recent conversation with my good friend JR. He's getting ordained this summer 2013, btw! He asked me recently about my life and i updated him on my work and studies. Straight to the point lagi ni si JR, "Brother Lorenzo, so you're studying again? Why don't you study the seminary?"

hahahaha!

na nganga na pod ko. ::)

Hahahahaha. How are you in your discerning process Bro?

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« Reply #18 on: May 27, 2013, 03:52:57 PM »
Hahahahaha. How are you in your discerning process Bro?

Well, its a lot clearer now that I am single. ;D

After completing my Ph.D, bro, I seriously am thinking about joining the Diaconate.

If it is God's plan for me, then, I will consider joining the Royal Priesthood.

All by God's will, bro...by His will...

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« Reply #19 on: May 27, 2013, 03:54:09 PM »
And you, Brother Vince, how is it going for you? I don't forget you in my prayers.

May you be strengthened and invigorated in this beautiful cross you bear!



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« Reply #20 on: May 27, 2013, 04:02:24 PM »
So you have parted ways with the love of you life Bro? Great! In God's will.

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« Reply #21 on: May 27, 2013, 04:09:53 PM »
So you have parted ways with the love of you life Bro? Great! In God's will.

Yes, I have, bro. I will always love her and my heart will care for her and continue to pray for her. I will always ask the Merciful Heart of Jesus that she finds happiness and Love. Sometimes, bro, the hardest thing is to let go. It took dependence on the Holy Spirit to help me heal the loss and to accept the best decision.

I have learned to accept..to TRULY accept and DEPEND on God's Providence.

It's quite liberating, actually. :)

God Bless you, Bro.

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« Reply #22 on: May 27, 2013, 04:15:35 PM »
Yes, I have, bro. I will always love her and my heart will care for her and continue to pray for her. I will always ask the Merciful Heart of Jesus that she finds happiness and Love. Sometimes, bro, the hardest thing is to let go. It took dependence on the Holy Spirit to help me heal the loss and to accept the best decision.

I have learned to accept..to TRULY accept and DEPEND on God's Providence.

It's quite liberating, actually. :)

God Bless you, Bro.

You sound like a priest Bro! Full of wisdom and charism!

It really is a great burden to let go of something specially when it comes to people and relationship. I believe only a deep faith and submission to God's plan will make that decision light and easy, and I see it in you. I have always included you in my prayers. :D

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« Reply #23 on: May 27, 2013, 04:17:18 PM »
Thank you for the prayers, Vincent. Please continue to pray for me and I shall do the same for you. May God bless you always, Vincent. :)

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Re: Roman Catholic Church on Iglesia Ni Cristo
« Reply #24 on: May 27, 2013, 04:20:14 PM »
Thank you for the prayers, Vincent. Please continue to pray for me and I shall do the same for you. May God bless you always, Vincent. :)

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Re: Roman Catholic Church on Iglesia Ni Cristo
« Reply #25 on: May 27, 2013, 05:14:43 PM »
God’s Messenger?

A litmus test for any religious group is the credibility of its founder in making his claims. Felix Manalo’s credibility and, consequently, his claims, are impossible to take seriously. He claimed to be "God’s messenger," divinely chosen to re-establish the true Church which, according to Manalo, disappeared in the first century due to apostasy. It was his role to restore numerous doctrines that the Church had abandoned. A quick look at Manalo’s background shows where these doctrines came from: Manalo stole them from other quasi-Christian religious sects.

Manalo was baptized a Catholic, but he left the Church as a teen. He became a Protestant, going through five different denominations, including the Seventh-day Adventists. Finally, Manalo started his own church in 1914. In 1919, he left the Philippines because he wanted to learn more about religion. He came to America, to study with Protestants, whom Iglesia would later declare to be apostates, just like Catholics. Why, five years after being called by God to be his "last messenger," did Manalo go to the U.S. to learn from apostates? What could God’s messenger learn from a group that, according to Iglesia, had departed from the true faith?

The explanation is that, contrary to his later claims, Manalo did not believe himself to be God’s final messenger in 1914. He didn’t use the last messenger doctrine until 1922. He appears to have adopted the messenger doctrine in response to a schism in the Iglesia movement. The schism was led by Teogilo Ora, one of its early ministers. Manalo appears to have developed the messenger doctrine to accumulate power and re-assert his leadership in the church.

This poses a problem for Iglesia, because if Manalo had been the new messenger called by God in 1914, why didn’t he tell anybody prior to 1922? Because he didn’t think of it until 1922. His situation in this respect parallels that of Mormonism’s founder Joseph Smith, who claimed that when he was a boy, God appeared to him in a vision and told him all existing churches were corrupt and he was not to join them, that he would lead a movement to restore God’s true Church. But historical records show that Smith did join an inquirer’s class at an established Protestant church after his supposed vision from God. It was only in later years that Smith came up with his version of the "true messenger" doctrine, proving as much of an embarrassment for the Mormon church as Manalo’s similar doctrine does for Iglesia

i was born a catholic. i will die a catholic. but for the sake of argument, how come the iglesia ni manalo has a potential maximum of 10 million members if his claims are not to be taken seriously.

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Re: Roman Catholic Church on Iglesia Ni Cristo
« Reply #26 on: May 28, 2013, 05:09:04 AM »
i was born a catholic. i will die a catholic. but for the sake of argument, how come the iglesia ni manalo has a potential maximum of 10 million members if his claims are not to be taken seriously.


Iglesia ni "cristo" is the modern day Arianism. They reject the divinity of Jesus, demoting him to just being a human being, though according to them they accept Jesus as Savior of Humanity.

They base their low Christology on Hosea 11:9 which says "I am God, and not man". They supported it with verses from John 13:16 which says, "a slave is not greater than his master, nor is one who is sent greater than the one who sent him."

According to the Manalonians (or members of INC), the phrase in John 1:1 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and THE WORD WAS GOD." - AND THE WORD (Logos) WAS GOD does not prove Jesus as God because, the word "God" in that phrase is not a noun but an adjective - which could mean, "like God, with God-like qualities"...

The problem with that proposition is that, historically, the development of the Logos philosophy tells us otherwise....for the Jewish philosophy, Logos itself is God's very extension. In fact, those who translated the Hebrew Bible into Aramaic (Targum) even go farther...to consider Logos itself as God.

St. John's Logos was probably influenced by the Logos Philosophy, that is why many Biblical scholars considers John's Christology as High Christology.

His Gospel begins with acknowledging that the Word was God and it ends with another confession on John 20:24-31, "ho kurios mou kai ho theos mou" - My Lord and my God. According to the commentary on New American Bible, "My Lord and my God: this forms a literary inclusion with the first verse of the gospel: "and the Word was God."

Another strong evidence of Jesus divinity, is the Book of Revelation which obviously confesses that Jesus is true God: in Revelations 1:8, John wrote, "'I am the Alpha and the Omega,' says the LORD GOD, 'the one who is and who was and who is to come, the almighty.'" and on John 1:17-18, "When I caught sight of him, I fell down at his feet as though dead. He touched me with his right hand and said, 'Do not be afraid. I am the first and the last, the one who lives. Once I was dead, but now I am alive forever and ever. I hold the keys to death and the netherworld'"

INC claims that it was the Council of Niceae which made Jesus as God...but again, this is not true because even Pliny the Younger (governor and persecutor of Christians in 112 A.D.) reported that Early Christians worship Jesus as God. He wrote to Emperor Trajan, "They [Christians] were in the habit of meeting on a certain fixed day before it was light, when they sang in alternate verses a hymn to Christ, as to A GOD, and bound themselves by a solemn oath, not to do any wicked deeds…"

By Biblical exegesis or by Church history, evidence is against the belief of INC that Jesus is mere human. Felix Manalo is the one who is mere human, but they elevated him to being an "Angel".




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Re: Roman Catholic Church on Iglesia Ni Cristo
« Reply #27 on: May 28, 2013, 05:12:14 AM »
i was born a catholic. i will die a catholic. but for the sake of argument, how come the iglesia ni manalo has a potential maximum of 10 million members if his claims are not to be taken seriously.

Balong,

The same way how Mormonism has over 20 million adherents, despite it not being an actual Christian denomination. But, brother, their religion preaches a defensive and offensive tactic in always trying to put down the One, Holy, Apostolic, Roman Catholic Church. Despite the best of their tactics, 80% of the Philippines belong to the Roman Catholic Church. What is 10 million INC members compared to 1.2 Billion Roman Catholics? May the Holy Mother Church EVANGELIZE further so that more are saved through the Church's Salvific Mission!

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Re: Roman Catholic Church on Iglesia Ni Cristo
« Reply #28 on: June 10, 2013, 01:04:48 AM »
And so many have left their denominations for this INC thing.

among many other reasons, most of which involve financial help, the INC closely guards its potential adherents.  they strike fear in the hearts of converts that they may have helped.  obedience to INC authorities and rules is paramount, the cult may as well be the hermit kingdom of north korea.

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Re: Roman Catholic Church on Iglesia Ni Cristo
« Reply #29 on: June 10, 2013, 01:15:44 AM »
what pisses me off most about this cult is its presumption that no politician wins without their block votes.  they believe the rest of the filipinos follow their lead that's why they always announce their choices days before elections.  invariably, research will show that they always favor candidates who already have the winning streak.  they're just getting on the bandwagon.  why politicians court them only shows the kind of mentality our political leaders have.  the damage of the trade-off?  (naturally, it's not INCish if they didn't get favors in exchange for their promised block votes.)  government jobs for incompetent INC members. 

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Re: Roman Catholic Church on Iglesia Ni Cristo
« Reply #30 on: June 10, 2013, 01:36:02 AM »
There is no doubt that the great majority of INC ministers in the ministry of this church have come to realize, just as many ex-members have done, the hypocrisy, intrigue and falsehood of INC. These are ministers who are fully convinced of the falsehood and hypocrisy, intrigue and falsehood of INC. These are ministers who are fully convinced of the falsehood and hypocrisy of this church but find it hard to leave the ministry. I have the Lord as the living witness that most ministers of this church say that if they were only assured of a good job, they would leave the church immediately.

The greatest problem that keeps INC ministers in the ministry is FEAR. They fear the curse and persecution of church officialdom. Remember Dr. Melanio Gabriel and others. They also fear rebukes of some of their brethren and the loss of esteem and association of their families. They fear the gossip of their acquaintances and doubt that the real and sincere reasons why they left the ministry will be appreciated. Some of them, of course, fear for their lives.

from Confession Of A Former Iglesia ni Cristo Minister
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Re: Roman Catholic Church on Iglesia Ni Cristo
« Reply #31 on: June 10, 2013, 04:37:38 AM »
Balong,

The same way how Mormonism has over 20 million adherents, despite it not being an actual Christian denomination. But, brother, their religion preaches a defensive and offensive tactic in always trying to put down the One, Holy, Apostolic, Roman Catholic Church. Despite the best of their tactics, 80% of the Philippines belong to the Roman Catholic Church. What is 10 million INC members compared to 1.2 Billion Roman Catholics? May the Holy Mother Church EVANGELIZE further so that more are saved through the Church's Salvific Mission!

;)
if we compare the average mormon and the average catholic, mormons win hands down. ang ilang youth maoy nag spread sa ilang religion. they knock door to door and spread their gospel. gi interview naho. they told me that they work and save money so that they can travel. dili sila tagaan ug hinabang sa ilang simbahan. ila mismong kwarta ang ilang gi gamit for expenses. i do not find this practiced by catholics. wala koy na dunggan nga mga batan-on sa catholics nga nag door to door to preach our beliefs

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Re: Roman Catholic Church on Iglesia Ni Cristo
« Reply #32 on: June 10, 2013, 10:27:08 AM »
if we compare the average mormon and the average catholic, mormons win hands down. ang ilang youth maoy nag spread sa ilang religion. they knock door to door and spread their gospel. gi interview naho. they told me that they work and save money so that they can travel. dili sila tagaan ug hinabang sa ilang simbahan. ila mismong kwarta ang ilang gi gamit for expenses. i do not find this practiced by catholics. wala koy na dunggan nga mga batan-on sa catholics nga nag door to door to preach our beliefs

Holy Mother Church welcomes all people, be they protestants, non-christians in knowing more about the celebration of the mass and the real presence of the Eucharist. We invite others to find out more about the sacred truth espoused through sacred tradition and sacred scripture.

Activity within Holy Mother Church by lay people are extensive and ranges from Marian devotion groups, Sacristy volunteers, Eucharistic ministry, Lectors, Knights of Columbus, Singles for Christ, Couples for Christ, Permanent Diaconates; these are but some examples of activities. The community-based activities of Holy Mother Church is effective in sharing the true Gospel of Christ through generations. And in doing so, upholds its sacred salvific mission. And necessarily so as it is essential for the spiritual sustenance of the over 1.2 billion Christians who belong to the One, Holy, Apostolic, Roman Catholic Church.

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