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hofelina · « **on:** June 05, 2011, 01:32:31 PM »

During my last day in Booy I was curious about this people who are the new cathechist. I attended the evening with fellow parokyanos of Birhen sa Guadalupe, Booy Tagbilaran city. There were 4 people, a Spanish priest, a couple from Mandaue and a young guy ( Manay can not remember the names, kay senyor sitisen lagi). Sa akong huna-huna, "unsa naman pod kaha ang pakolo sa atong simbahan"?.
To my amazement they talked directly about out present attitude and acknowledging humility to accept God and access to real spiritual relationship to God. Since it was short and the meetings are in the evenings, I try to research about this movement. Here are some infos;

Neocatechumenal Way: 'The Age of the Neocats'
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The Neocatechumenal Way began in 1963 when a young, talented Spanish painter called Kiko ArgÃ¼ello, who had had a conversion experience after a period of atheism as a student, returned for Christmas to his parents' house.

There he found the cook in tears in the kitchen. Spain was still a very poor country in the early 1960s, and Kiko learned that the woman lived with her drunken and abusive husband in one of the shanty towns on the outskirts of Madrid. Kiko visited the woman in the squalid shack where she lived.
The movement spread with extraordinary rapidity and as early as 1974 Pope Paul VI publicly hailed its members. He said: "Here we see post-conciliar fruits! ... How great is the joy, how great is the hope, which you give us with your presence and with your activity!"

Pope John Paul II enthusiastically supported the Way, resisting hostile pressure from within the Roman Curia as well as the local episcopate. And in 1987 he asked the movement to open a seminary in the diocese of Rome; today about half the ordinations for the diocese of Rome come from this Redemptoris Mater seminary, the first of the 70 that now exist worldwide, including one in the Westminster diocese.

So far 1,600 priests have been ordained from these seminaries, which have now about 2,000 seminarians. The movement itself has about a million members, excluding children, belonging to some 20,000 communities.

Why is there such opposition to the Neocatechumenate?

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hofelina · « **Reply #1 on:** June 05, 2011, 01:35:57 PM »

opposition to all the movements from local bishops and clergy. This is nothing new: St Thomas Aquinas had to defend the Dominicans against the local clergy in Paris; after the Council of Trent bishops whose hearts were not in real reform and renewal did not want the Jesuits in their dioceses.
Secondly, the Neocatechumenate is especially controversial because it operates within rather than externally to parishes. The main bone of contention is the Saturday evening Mass celebrated for a community or communities.
Anyway, Pope Benedict has firmly rejected the charge of divisiveness as the decisive criterion: "Faith remains a sword and may demand conflict for the sake of truth and love," he has said. And he also has condemned that "attitude of intellectual superiority that immediately brands the zeal of those seized by the Holy Spirit and their uninhibited faith with the anathema of fundamentalism", a charge regularly levelled at members of the Neocatechumenate.
This editorial is printed with the permission of the Catholic Herald (UK) and is a part of Catholic online's commitment to feature the new ecclesial movements as a "sign of Spring" in the Church.

A work of Kiko the artist and an icon of the movement.

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hofelina · « **Reply #2 on:** June 05, 2011, 01:55:53 PM »

I missed this one;
http://www.thebostonpilot.com/article.asp?ID=13394
Kiko Arguello and Carmen Hernandez, initiators of the Neocatechumenal Way, and Father Mario Pezzi, will meet with 40,000 young people coming from all over Europe.

Wikipedia

Carmen Hernandez

Fr Mario Pezzi (left) the movers of the neocats get a private audience with the Pope.

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hofelina · « **Reply #3 on:** June 05, 2011, 02:02:21 PM »

Fr Felipe one of the speakers talked about the Cursillo movement, also a spanish laity movement before (Manay was also a member before in Dabaw way back 1973), was like a ningas cogon. Nahanaw daw aso.
A topic was emphasized about us being blind and a mud is thrown to our eyes ( mud a symbol of sins) to acknowledge that we are sinners, be humble and return to church.
Karong panahona daghang mga kalihokan nga angay panomdoman aron kita dili malayo sa pag-too nga atong nailhan.
What are your experience about this neocats? First time pa nako jud nadonggan apan kosog naman diay ang kalihokan labi na diha sa Amerika.

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #4 on:** June 05, 2011, 11:56:49 PM »

Interesting information. Thanks for divulging with us, Manay.

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islander · « **Reply #5 on:** June 06, 2011, 01:04:32 AM »

hof, my closest friend of an officemate in the late 1980s is one of the pioneering neocathecumenates in cebu city. i realized later that she began regarding me as her "project", that is, she wouldn't be such a good neo (that's how they call themselves in cebu) if she couldn't convince her best friend to join.

my stand: she should stop irritating me or else... besides, i'm not much of a joiner of anything really. i prefer a meditative kind of worship, somewhere where i could be alone to thank god in a quiet way. so any church group that bandies itself as to how better is their way of worship is anathema to me. i never got to attend even one session of theirs. our friendship remained nevertheless.

this much i've learned from her about their group, which i know is only a scratch on the surface:

it is sanctioned by the vatican. (so are the focolare and the opus dei and many others.)

in terms of form, they are called neocatechumenates (neo, "new") because they practice what the catechumens at the beginning of christianity practiced. (they prayed secretly, sometimes even in caves, so why don't you start looking for caves and using oil lamps because there was no electricity then? i had jokingly told my friend.) their baptism is a real drenching of water in a basin and they bake unleavened bread for their holy eucharist.

she talked about possible apostasies in current mainstream catholic practices. (i hated this claim the most.)

she said they can go knocking from house to house and accept being spat on at the door for as long as they can spread the good news.

she and her group doubtless are sincere and truly prayerful, but as in any local church group culture of ours, the secrets revealed by members have a way of filtering out to become gossips. (cursillo, anyone?) i needed no other reason for turning down her invitation in no uncertain terms.

all in all, the organization was doing my friend good, so it must be good. only, it's not for me.

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hofelina · « **Reply #6 on:** June 06, 2011, 04:49:45 AM »

isles, thanks for your feedback. As I have mentioned before this was new to me, the activities are supported by the Tagbi bishop though. I surf about this neo stuff, and much are said about some secrecy in their form of worship. My cursillo experience did not mend my sinful ways. IÂ´m still erring in my human ways. Tiguwang nako badlongon lang gihapon.

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #7 on:** June 06, 2011, 05:24:42 AM »

Manay, I have never heard of this movement until you posted this here in Tubag Bohol. With the additional information by Isles.

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hofelina · « **Reply #8 on:** June 06, 2011, 01:57:02 PM »

Yes, the first time I saw on the blackboard of our church it was a "huh"? I attended the night and IÂ´m starting to surf to know more about this movement, kosog naman kini sa amerika, apan dili tanang diocese/obispo sold ni-aning idea, kon walay aprobar nila dili sab sila makapataka ug hatag ug new cathechism.

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #9 on:** June 06, 2011, 02:05:36 PM »

The Pontifical Council for the Laity's decree officially describes the history of the Neocatechumenal communities (the Neocatechumenal way is a community; it is neither an organization nor a movement) as follows: â€œThe Neocatechumenal Way began in 1964 in the slums of Palomeras Altas, Madrid, through the work of Mr. Francisco (Kiko) ArgÃ¼ello and Ms. Carmen HernÃ¡ndez who, at the request of the poor with whom they were living, began to proclaim to them the Gospel of Jesus Christ. As time passed, this kerygma was embodied in a catechetical synthesis, founded on what is called the tripod: "Word of God-Liturgy-Community", that seeks to lead people to fraternal communion and mature faith.

This new catechetical experience, born in the wake of the changes implemented after the Second Vatican Council, attracted the keen interest of Archbishop Casimiro Morcillo, who encouraged the initiators of the Way to spread it to the parishes who asked for it. This experience of evangelization thus spread gradually through the Archdiocese of Madrid and to other Spanish dioceses. In 1968, the initiators of the Neocatechumenal Way arrived in Rome and settled in the Borghetto Latino. With the permission of Cardinal Angelo Dell'Acqua, then Vicar General of His Holiness for the city and district of Rome, the first catechesis began in the parish of Our Lady of the Blessed Sacrament and the Canadian Martyrs. Since then, the NC Way has continued to spread to dioceses around the world and even to mission countriesâ€

In 1974, thanks to Archbishop Annibale Bugnini, the Congregation for Divine Worship publicized on their official magazine, a brief note Praeclarum exemplar appreciating the works of the Neocatechumenal communities.

During the commemoration of the 30 years of life of the Way on January 24, 1997, Joseph Ratzinger (Pope Benedict XVI) expressly urged the drafting of the Statutes as, "a very important step that will open the way to the formal juridical recognition by the Church, and giving you a further guarantee of the authenticity of your charism"

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my view: NC seems to be a form of new-age evanglization of the Roman Catholic Church. I pray for them.

Source: wikipedia

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #10 on:** June 06, 2011, 02:08:16 PM »

Yes, the first time I saw on the blackboard of our church it was a "huh"? I attended the night and IÂ´m starting to surf to know more about this movement, kosog naman kini sa amerika, apan dili tanang diocese/obispo sold ni-aning idea, kon walay aprobar nila dili sab sila makapataka ug hatag ug new cathechism.

I can't help but liken them to the group that I am a member of, The Newman Association. NA (Newman Association) is an Evangelical Wing of the Roman Catholic Church that is spearheaded in college, university settings.

NA puts great emphasis in sacrament observation as well as importance in bible reading.

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #11 on:** June 06, 2011, 02:10:35 PM »

ot: I believe that Evangelization of the Roman Catholic Church is necessary. It strengthens the adherents / believers to the core principles of the Church and reaffirms the core beliefs that Catholics and Protestants believe in. Forms of worship may differ, but we are , in the end, worshiping the same Jesus Christ. The same Risen Savior.

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hofelina · « **Reply #12 on:** June 06, 2011, 05:36:30 PM »

The rationale of the spanish priest Fr Felipe is that, this might the answer to revive our faith since most churches are empty. There are also sceptics on this movement, telling that this might cause a split of the church within a church because of their secrecy within active members of neo.

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islander · « **Reply #13 on:** June 06, 2011, 07:23:17 PM »

to each his own comfort zone in one's faith, so to speak. my neo friend understood very well that the only two reasons for my resistance against being part of them is that when it comes to the practice of one's faith i abhor comparisons and that i'm not much of a joiner of anything.

as the revival of faith is the neo's reason for being, so are many other groups saying as much. there is also this very active group that's going back to the latin mass of pre-vatican 2 vintage that was started by a french bishop.

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #14 on:** June 06, 2011, 10:55:25 PM »

The rationale of the spanish priest Fr Felipe is that, this might the answer to revive our faith since most churches are empty. There are also sceptics on this movement, telling that this might cause a split of the church within a church because of their secrecy within active members of neo.

you have a point, manay. then let us pray for their transition from secret-like to open. thanks for sharing this really interesting thread!

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #15 on:** June 06, 2011, 10:58:34 PM »

to each his own comfort zone in one's faith, so to speak. my neo friend understood very well that the only two reasons for my resistance against being part of them is that when it comes to the practice of one's faith i abhor comparisons and that i'm not much of a joiner of anything.

as the revival of faith is the neo's reason for being, so are many other groups saying as much. there is also this very active group that's going back to the latin mass of pre-vatican 2 vintage that was started by a french bishop.

hi, isles. yes, we have that here in the united states. i'm a member of St. Mary of the Lake Roman Catholic Church here in chicago, il. every sundays at 12:00 noon, we have a tridentine latin mass that is offered. sometimes when i am available i attend their latin mass as it is after their 11:00 am regular mass. it is very beautiful.

much thanks!

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islander · « **Reply #16 on:** June 07, 2011, 12:27:16 AM »

now i know why you like latin. i like latin too and i will always gravitate towards a latin mass when there's one. i was lucky i grew up in a home where there were latin books. (two elder brothers were seminarians who loved to explain the language to me.) i just am not comfortable about joining groups within our church.

anyways, just this morning i told the banana republic my seeming regret over the "disappearance" of latin in our regular masses. (i was pissed off that the credo, the our father, and prayer of the faithful were in tagalog, that's why.) latin could have been one of the symbols of worldwide catholic unity, i said, just as islam uses arabic universally. his answer? arabic has an advantage because it is still alive and widely spoken while latin is a dead language.

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #17 on:** June 07, 2011, 01:07:52 AM »

now i know why you like latin. i like latin too and i will always gravitate towards a latin mass when there's one. i was lucky i grew up in a home where there were latin books. (two elder brothers were seminarians who loved to explain the language to me.) i just am not comfortable about joining groups within our church.

anyways, just this morning i told the banana republic my seeming regret over the "disappearance" of latin in our regular masses. (i was pissed off that the credo, the our father, and prayer of the faithful were in tagalog, that's why.) latin could have been one of the symbols of worldwide catholic unity, i said, just as islam uses arabic universally. his answer? arabic has an advantage because it is still alive and widely spoken while latin is a dead language.

your husband is right, tho you have a point as well.

i was attracted to latin when my good friend, Fr. Mark Hoffman, who was a spiritual advisor during my years of interest in joining the priesthood. he took me with other collegiate men to attend many latin-masses at the Diocese of Erie, Pennsylvania. Why, even Fr. Mark had a handsome voice. He would sing the Gloria In Excelsis Deo and my heart and ears would jump in joy at the beauty of the song.

Thats good that you're older brothers taught you some latin; they being seminarians, did they finish seminary and join the priesthood?

I guess i'm lucky that our parish has a tridentine mass on sundays. Its just so very peaceful, to be able to hear the readings in latin and the worship songs as well. I wonder if the revival was a policy of the late Pope John Paul II or by His Holiness Pope Benedict XVI.

do you know? advanced thanks!

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #18 on:** June 07, 2011, 01:49:20 AM »

Gloria In Excelsis Deo

Gloria in Excelsis Deo - Antoine Brumel

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