Tubag Bohol With Mike Ligalig

Hi Belle,

You saved me from a stressful day! Wa jud muot ang TB ug wa ka dire... Sa mga Bible Study ra ba, mas lively ang discussion kung naay mga interjection nga in-ani.

Thanks Bene san, kay ug sigi serious maka lutog ang mga mo attend sa bible study! hahaha

During the time of our  bible study Ben, was never a dull moment kay gawas sa naay bihon ug empanada nag huwat sa lamesa, puro pa jud mi mga bajut! pero we lasted for years baja sa among bible study, and we go to the same small but lively church...

Even in my Nursing School days in LA ako gihapon nag tig lagwgaw sa klase and yes even some of  my teachers emailed me every now and then that they missed me! hahahah

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Is circumcision necessary for salvation?

Circumcision was part of God's covenant with Abraham and the Jews:

Genesis 17

10 This is my covenant with you and your descendants after you, the covenant you are to keep: Every male among you shall be circumcised. 11 You are to undergo circumcision, and it will be the sign of the covenant between me and you. 12 For the generations to come every male among you who is eight days old must be circumcised, including those born in your household or bought with money from a foreigner— those who are not your offspring.

Circumcision was an external sign of a spiritual relationship, which set the Jews apart from the rest of mankind as the chosen people of God. However, history showed that the Jewish people became more and more fixated to the external signs, statutes, and ceremonies rather than their inward spirituality. Of course, this tendency is not peculiar to the Jews but resonates to human nature in general. Rather than facing our frailties, we explain away our violative tendencies through legalism.

The dispensation of grace, as contrasted to that of law, ushered in by Christ in the New Testament restores the pre-eminence of our relationship to God in our practice of spirituality. For instance, Christ has redefined the legalistic frames of such common offenses as "adultery" and "murder." We commit adultery not only when we lie in bed with someone not our spouse but also when we look at another person with lust. We commit murder not only when we kill a person by intent but also when we harbor deep hatred in our hearts towards him.

Thus, as with the Jews, we can no longer use physical circumcision as a blanket affirmation of our belongingness to God. Note that even in the Old Testament, physical circumcision was meant to come together with circumcision of our hearts, as was commanded in Deuteronomy 10 and 30. Unless our hearts are marked as of God, it does not matter much if we are externally marked as God's people in circumcision. We cannot use religious appearances in place of real spirituality of the heart.

Paul preached this in his letter to the Romans:

Romans 2
29No, a man is a Jew if he is one inwardly; and circumcision is circumcision of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the written code. Such a man's praise is not from men, but from God.

Therefore, physical circumcision is not a necessary and essential condition for salvation, but spiritual circumcision is.

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The List of Titles that are Exalted Unto the Name of Jesus Christ, The Only Incarnate Son of the Eternal and Living GOD.




    * Adam 1Corinthians 15:45

    * Advocate 1John 2:1

    * Almighty Revelation 1:8

    * Alpha and Omega Revelation 1:8

    * Amen Revelation 3:14

    * Angel Genesis 48:16; Exodus 23:20, 21

    * Angel of his presence Isaiah 63:9

    * Anointed Psalms 2:2

    * Apostle Hebrews 3:1

    * Arm of the Lord Isaiah 51:9, 10

    * Author and Finisher of our faith Hebrews 12:2

    * Beginning and end of the creation of God Revelation 3:14; 22:13

    * Beloved Ephesians 1:6

    * Blessed and only Potentate 1Timothy 6:15

    * Branch Jeremiah 23:5; Zechariah 3:8

    * Bread of life John 6:48

    * Bridegroom Matthew 9:15

    * Bright and Morning Star Revelation 22:16

    * Brightness of the Father's glory Hebrews 1:3

    * Captain of Salvation Hebrews 2:10

    * Carpenter Mark 6:3

    * Carpenter's son Matthew 13:55

    * Chief Shepherd 1Peter 5:4

    * Chief Cornerstone 1Peter 2:6

    * Chiefest among ten thousand Song of Songs 5:10

    * Child Isaiah 9:6; Luke 2:27, 43

    * Chosen of God 1Peter 2:4

    * Christ Matthew 1:16; Luke 9:20

    * The Christ (Messiah) Matthew 16:20; Mark 14:61

    * Christ, a King Luke 23:2

    * Christ Jesus Acts 19:4; Romans 3:24; 8:1; 1Corinthians 1:2, 30; Hebrews 3:1; 1Peter 5:10, 14

    * Christ Jesus our Lord 1Timothy 1:12; Romans 8:39

    * Christ of God Luke 9:20

    * Christ, the chosen of God Luke 23:35

    * Christ the Lord Luke 2:11

    * Christ, the power of God 1Corinthians 1:24

    * Christ the wisdom of God 1Corinthians 1:24

    * Christ, the Son of God Acts 9:20

    * Christ, Son of the Blessed Mark 14:61

    * Commander Isaiah 55:4

    * Consolation of Israel Luke 2:25

    * Cornerstone Ephesians 2:20

    * Counselor Isaiah 9:6

    * Covenant of the people Isaiah 42:6

    * David Jeremiah 30:9

    * Daysman Job 9:33

    * Dayspring Luke 1:78

    * Day Star 2Peter 1:19

    * Deliverer Romans 11:26

    * Desire of all nations Haggai 2:7

    * Door, the John 10:7

    * Elect Isaiah 42:1

    * Emmanuel Isaiah 7:14

    * Ensign Isaiah 11:10

    * Eternal Life 1John 5:20

    * Everlasting Father Isaiah 9:6

    * Faithful and True Revelation 19:11

    * Faithful Witness, the Revelation 1:5

    * Faithful and true witness, the Revelation 3:14

    * Finisher of faith Hebrews 12:2

    * First and last Revelation 1:17; 2:8; 22:13

    * First begotten Hebrews 1:6

    * First begotten of the dead Revelation 1:5

    * Firstborn Psalms 89:27

    * Foundation Isaiah 28:16

    * Fountain Zechariah 13:1

    * Forerunner Hebrews 6:20

    * Friend of sinners Matthew 11:19

    * Gift of God John 4:10

    * Glory of Israel Luke 2:32

    * God (deity) John 1:1

    * God blessed forever Romans 9:5

    * God manifest in the flesh 1Timothy 3:16

    * God of Israel, the Saviour Isaiah 45:15

    * God of the whole earth Isaiah 54:5

    * God our Saviour 1Timothy 2:3

    * God's dear Son Colossians 1:13

    * God with us Matthew 1:23

    * Good Master Matthew 19:16

    * Governor Matthew 2:6

    * Great Shepherd of the sheep Hebrews 13:20

    * Head of the ekklesia (body) Ephesians 1:22, 23; 5:23; Colossians 1:18, 24

    * Heir of all things Hebrews 1:2

    * High priest Hebrews 4:14

    * Head of every man 1Corinthians 11:3

    * Head of the corner Matthew 21:42

    * Holy child Jesus Acts 4:30     (Reference to the Blessed Santo Nino; "The Holy Child")

    * Holy one of God Mark 1:24

    * Holy one of Israel Isaiah 41:14; 54:5

    * Holy thing Luke 1:35

    * Hope (our) 1Timothy 1:1

    * Horn of salvation Luke 1:69

    * I AM John 8:58

    * Image of God Hebrews 1:3

    * Israel Isaiah 49:3

    * Jehovah Isaiah 40:3

    * Jehovah's fellow Zechariah 13:7

    * Jesus Matthew 1:21

    * Jesus Christ Matthew 1:1; John 1:17; 17:3; Acts 2:38; 4:10; 9:34; 10:36; Romans 1:1, 16:18; 3, 6; 2:16; 5:15, 17; 6:3; 1Corinthians 1:1, 4; 2:2; 2Corinthians 1:19; 4:6; 13:5; Galatians 2:16; Philippians 1:8; 2:11; 1Timothy 1:15;

 Hebrews 13:8; 1John 1:7; 2:1

    * Jesus Christ our Lord Romans 1:3; 6:11, 23; 1Corinthians 1:9; 7:25

    * Jesus Christ our Saviour Titus 3:6

    * Jesus of Nazareth Mark 1:24; Luke 24:19

    * Jesus (of Nazareth), King of the Jews John 19:19; Matthew 27:37

    * Jesus, the Son of God Hebrews 4:14

    * Jesus, the Son of Joseph John 6:42

    * Judge Acts 10:42

    * Just man, Just person, Just One Matthew 27:19, 24; Acts 3:14; 7:52; 22:14

    * King Matthew 21:5

    * King of Israel John 1:49

    * King of the Jews Matthew 2:2

    * King of Saints Revelation 15:3

    * King of Kings 1Timothy 6:15; Revelation 17:14

    * King of Glory Psalms 24:7-10

    * King of Zion Matthew 21:5

    * King over all the earth Zechariah 14:9

    * Lamb Revelation 5:6, 8; 7:9, 6:16; 10, 17; 12:11; 13:8, 11; 14:1, 4; 15:3; 17:14; 21:9, 14, 22, 19:7, 9; 23, 27

    * Lamb of God John 1:29

    * Lawgiver Isaiah 33:22

    * Leader Isaiah 55:4

    * Life John 14:6

    * Light John 8:12

    * Light, everlasting Isaiah 60:20

    * Light of the world John 8:12

    * Light to the Gentiles Isaiah 42:6

    * Light, true John 1:9

    * Living Bread, the John 6:51

    * Living Stone 1Peter 2:4

    * Lion of the tribe of Judah Revelation 5:5

    * Lord Romans 1:3

    * Lord of Lords Revelation 17:14; 19:16

    * Lord of all Acts 10:36

    * Lord our righteousness Jeremiah 23:6

    * Lord God Almighty Revelation 15:3

    * Lord from heaven 1Corinthians 15:47

    * Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ 2Peter 1:11; 3:18

    * Lord Christ Colossians 3:24

    * Lord Jesus Acts 7:59; Colossians 3:17; 1Thessalonians 4:12

    * Lord Jesus Christ Acts 11:17; 16:31; 20:21; Romans 5:1, 11; 13:14

    * Lord Jesus Christ our Saviour Titus 1:4

    * Lord of glory James 2:1

    * Lord of Hosts (armies) Isaiah 44:6

    * Lord, mighty in battle Psalms 24:8

    * Lord of the dead and living Romans 14:9

    * Lord of the sabbath Mark 2:28

    * Lord over all Romans 10:12

    * Lord's Christ Luke 2:26

    * Lord, strong and mighty Psalms 24:8

    * Lord, the, our righteousness Jeremiah 23:6

    * Lord, your holy one Isaiah 43:15

    * Lord, your redeemer Isaiah 43:14

    * Man Christ Jesus 1Timothy 2:5

    * Man of sorrows Isaiah 53:3

    * Master Matthew 23:8

    * Mediator, the only 1Timothy 2:5

    * Messenger of the covenant Malachi 3:1

    * Messiah John 1:41

    * Messiah the Prince Daniel 9:25

    * Mighty God Isaiah 9:6

    * Mighty one of Israel Isaiah 30:29

    * Mighty one of Jacob Isaiah 49:26

    * Mighty to save Isaiah 63:1

    * Minister of the sanctuary Hebrews 8:2

    * Morning Star Revelation 22:16

    * Most holy Daniel 9:24

    * Most mighty Psalms 45:3

    * Nazarene Matthew 2:23

    * Offspring of David Revelation 22:16

    * Only begotten (Greek monogenes: one and only, unique) John 3:16

    * Only begotten (Greek monogenes: one and only, unique) of the Father John 1:14

    * Only begotten (Greek monogenes: one and only, unique) Son (the best mss. have "God" instead of "Son" here) John 1:18

    * Only wise God, our Saviour Jude 1:25

    * Overseer 1Peter 2:25

    * Passover, our 1Corinthians 5:7

    * Plant of renown Ezekiel 34:29

    * Potentate 1Timothy 6:15

    * Power of God 1Corinthians 1:24

    * Physician Matthew 9:12

    * Precious Cornerstone Isaiah 28:16

    * Priest Hebrews 7:17

    * Prince Acts 5:31

    * Prince of Life Acts 3:15

    * Prince of Peace Isaiah 9:6

    * Prince of the kings of the earth Revelation 1:5

    * Prophet Deuteronomy 18:15, 18; Matthew 21:11; Luke 24:19

    * Propitiation (expiation, our Sin-offering) 1John 2:2

    * Rabbi, Rabboni John 1:49; 20:16

    * Ransom 1Timothy 2:6

    * Redeemer Isaiah 59:20

    * Resurrection and the Life, the John 11:25

    * Redemption 1Corinthians 1:30

    * Righteous Branch Jeremiah 23:5

    * Righteous Judge 2Timothy 4:8

    * Righteous Servant Isaiah 53:11

    * Righteousness 1Corinthians 1:30

    * Rock 1Corinthians 10:4

    * Rock of Offence 1Peter 2:8

    * Root of David Revelation 5:5; 22:16

    * Root of Jesse Isaiah 11:10

    * Rose of Sharon Song of Songs 2:1

    * Ruler in Israel Micah 5:2

    * Salvation Luke 2:30

    * Sanctification 1Corinthians 1:30

    * Sanctuary Isaiah 8:14

    * Saviour Luke 2:11

    * Saviour, Jesus Christ 2Timothy 1:10; Titus 2:13; 2Peter 1:1

    * Saviour of the body (ekklesia) Ephesians 5:23

    * Saviour of the world 1John 4:14

    * Sceptre Numbers 24:17

    * Second Man, the 1Corinthians 15:47

    * Seed of David 2Timothy 2:8

    * Seed of the woman Genesis 3:15

    * Servant Isaiah 42:1

    * Servant of rulers Isaiah 49:7

    * Shepherd Mark 14:27

    * Shepherd and Overseer of souls 1Peter 2:25

    * Shepherd, Chief 1Peter 5:4

    * Shepherd, Good John 10:11

    * Shepherd, Great Hebrews 13:20

    * Shepherd of Israel Psalms 80:1

    * Shiloh Genesis 49:10

    * Son of the Father 2John 1:3

    * Son of God,

    * Son of Man,

    * Son of the Blessed One (God) Mark 14:61

    * Son of the Highest One (God) Luke 1:32

    * Son of David Matthew 9:27

    * Star Numbers 24:17

    * Sun of Righteousness Malachi 4:2

    * Surety (Guarantee) Hebrews 7:22

    * Stone Matthew 21:42

    * Stone of Stumbling 1Peter 2:8

    * Sure Foundation Isaiah 28:16

    * Teacher John 3:2

    * True God 1John 5:20

    * True Vine John 15:1

    * Truth John 14:6


    * Unspeakable Gift 2Corinthians 9:15

    * Very Christ Acts 9:22

    * Vine, the John 15:1

    * Way, the John 14:6

    * Which is, which was, which is to come (equivalent to the tetragrammaton (YHWH), the Eternal One, I AM THAT I AM) Revelation 1:4

    * Wisdom Proverbs 8:12

    * Wisdom of God, the 1Corinthians 1:24

    * Witness Isaiah 55:4; Revelation 1:5

    * Wonderful Isaiah 9:6

    * Word John 1:1

    * Word of God Revelation 19:13

    * Word of Life 1John 1:1





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I never knew that, 'te. Very interesting indeed; new information jud ni for me.



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B,  dire sa most part sa Europe, at least in the nordic countries wa man ipractise ang circumcision or tuli.

pero tuli or wa parehas raman na sila kalami. Aw mora pod ug daghan ko natilawan. ha..ha..

bitaw..depende raman na sa laki kon hinloan or dili.:-))

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Dong Bran,

No offense meant pero di nako maget nang tanang nakasulat sa Old testament, because the fact that is it hard to fathom for normal people like us,
 I find some of its content inconsistent with the worlds present reality.


Cheers!

Let's continue.

Is circumcision necessary for salvation?

Certain men from Jerusalem travel to Antioch and begin teaching that certain believers (Gentiles) must be circumcised in order to receive salvation (Acts 15:1, 5). After Paul and Barnabas discuss and dispute this teaching with those promoting it, they and other church members go to Jerusalem to confer about the issue with the apostles and elders (Acts 15:2, Galatians 2:1-2).

After arriving in Jerusalem Paul and Barnabas privately meet with James, Peter (Cephas) and John about the circumcision question (Galatians 2:4-10). The issue of whether converted Gentiles should be circumcised or not is then discussed with the entire church (Acts 15:6, 12, 22). It is ultimately decided that Gentiles need not be circumcised (Acts 15:19). A letter regarding this decision is delivered to the Gentile Christians in Antioch by a group composed of Paul, Barnabas, Silas and others (Acts 15:22-31).

Circumcision was mandated as a way to delineate which one was God's people. The Hebrews are circumcised because it was mandated by the Almighty as told in the Talmud. Many Christians to this day do this because of cultural and traditional methodology.

It links the relationship of Early Christianity with Jewish practices.

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B,  dire sa most part sa Europe, at least in the nordic countries wa man ipractise ang circumcision or tuli.

pero tuli or wa parehas raman na sila kalami. Aw mora pod ug daghan ko natilawan. ha..ha..

bitaw..depende raman na sa laki kon hinloan or dili.:-))

OH Asianfairy you are so cute! whahahahaha      Wala bitaw  gipili ang atong Ginoo ug pisot ba o tinuli parehas ra ni sa virgin o dugay na bang nangabunggi...sa mata sa Diyos tawo tang tanan mga makasasala, di ba? Depende ra sa atong binuhatan dinhi sa kalibutan. Unsa man motilaw tag daghan b4 it is too late?  Haskang paita siguro if God will ask : O unsa Bambina kinsay imong "gikukalidang" sa buhi kapa tinuli ba o dili?  Ug Pisot additional sin na unja pod...hala mga gurls hulinga ug una before committing a mortal sin. 

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Looy bitaw ni silang mga muslim baye no? sus wala nila mafeel kon unsa ang mahilangit.
It is very wrong practise. Pero nagsugod na baya pod sila ug kahigmata ..

OH Asianfairy you are so cute! whahahahaha      Wala bitaw  gipili ang atong Ginoo ug pisot ba o tinuli parehas ra ni sa virgin o dugay na bang nangabunggi...sa mata sa Diyos tawo tang tanan mga makasasala, di ba? Depende ra sa atong binuhatan dinhi sa kalibutan. Unsa man motilaw tag daghan b4 it is too late?  Haskang paita siguro if God will ask : O unsa Bambina kinsay imong "gikukalidang" sa buhi kapa tinuli ba o dili?  Ug Pisot additional sin na unja pod...hala mga gurls hulinga ug una before committing a mortal sin. 

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Ms da Bins naibog ko nimo kay naka kulukadidang na diay ka ug French. Mga caring ra ba na sila. :-))

Dong Enzo, kaning imong mga pupils gipulihan imong kurikulum ug kulukadidang. Balik ta sa kumsisyon...
Bible study baja ni...

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bwahahahha

karon pa ko kaukab ani ug usab haskang katawa naho diri! hahahha

sus ma bughat jud ni ahong inibtan ug ngipon karon!

hahhahahhahha

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OH Asianfairy you are so cute! whahahahaha      Wala bitaw  gipili ang atong Ginoo ug pisot ba o tinuli parehas ra ni sa virgin o dugay na bang nangabunggi...sa mata sa Diyos tawo tang tanan mga makasasala, di ba? Depende ra sa atong binuhatan dinhi sa kalibutan. Unsa man motilaw tag daghan b4 it is too late?  Haskang paita siguro if God will ask : O unsa Bambina kinsay imong "gikukalidang" sa buhi kapa tinuli ba o dili?  Ug Pisot additional sin na unja pod...hala mga gurls hulinga ug una before committing a mortal sin. 

Bayat ang gi tuli still can have orgasm kay wa man na putla ang ilang mga G spots (i think) and i only knew about the muslim women nga gi tangtangan ug G spots? is that true? pastilan! diili na jud sila ka feel ug lami like heaven as what A said?



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sis Aya, what is TB without the igat club. kabalo kana kinsay mga membro ana. hat-.-hat!!

Kulukadidang?Kalami aning webster binisdak.hahahahhahahaha
Ayaw jod ko hisguti ug bahin sa tuli kay malibat ko. pasayloa tawon ang nakawagtang sa topic.hahahaha.What is TB without kulukadidang.

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Korek da Bins. To reiterate : what has tuli got to do with GOD?
hasta  man gani pari dire way tuli. ha.ha..ha..ha..

The reason why I asked the question was to see if we can find any biblical reference to the practice of circumcision, which has been a practice to not only of the People of the Book (the Jewish people) as well as Early Christians and even to Orthodox and Catholics to this present era.

The question was to see if we could find any specific reference that supports it or disinclines the use of circumcision. And as we found out, there were passages in scripture that supports the traditional use of circumcission--initially it was mandated by the Most High to the Hebrews as a sign of the covenant between Abraham and The Most High.

The specific scriptural passage that indicates this is found in Genesis 17:9-10 which states,

And God said unto Abraham, Thou shalt keep my covenant therefore, thou, and thy seed after thee in their generations. This is my covenant, which ye shall keep, between me and you and thy seed after thee; Every man child among you shall be circumcised.

and again in Romans 4:11

And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had yet being uncircumcised: that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be not circumcised; that righteousness might be imputed unto them also.

and again in Genesis 17:12-13

And THE LORD said unto him, And he that is eight days old shall be circumcised among you, every man child in your generations, he that is born in the house, or bought with money of any stranger, which is not of thy seed. He that is born in thy house, and he that is bought with thy money, must needs be circumcised: and my covenant shall be in your flesh for an everlasting covenant.


Though there are scriptural references of circumcission in the Old Testament, from which we have observed in these specific passages, there were other references in the New Testament that indicates that salvation does not require circumcission. The act of circumcission was intended for the Jews, the Chosen People {People of the Book}. For modern Christians to be circumcissed or not is within their own choosing; it is an act of faith and or personal conviction.

Because we know that salvation does not require circumcission, but faith and acceptance in Christ Jesus. Who is the Word Incarnate.

We have specific reference for this.


Circumcision applied to the slaves of Jews. Apart from that, circumcision never applied to people outside the Jewish faith. The first covenant was not with other nations. All other people were described as uncircumcised, even those who practised circumcision (Jeremiah 9:25-26). Circumcision never applied to Christians (Acts 15:5-11). The Apostle Peter, who was circumcised, said:

... we believe that we will be saved through the grace of the Lord Jesus, just as they will.
-Acts 15:11

No. Christians were freed from the Law, including circumcision (Acts 15:1-20). It was described as an almost unbearable yoke on the neck (Acts 15: 10). The yoke, of course, was a sign of slavery and Christians were told not to become entangled with 'a yoke of bondage' (Galatians 5:1-2).

The Law as we read it contains things that appall us, such as forcing a rapist to marry his victim (Deuteronomy 22:28-29) or rejecting people born out of wedlock and their descendants (Deuteronomy 23:2). However, almost all of us read the Law in translation, which inevitably changes and distorts the text. Even fewer read it with a background of the checks, balances and insights of the Jewish oral and legal tradition. This has contributed to atrocities such as when Christians used Exodus 22:18 to justify the slaughter of 'witches' or other verses to justify slavery and the slave trade (e.g., Exodus 21:2-11, 20-21, Leviticus 25:44-46 and Deuteronomy 20:10-15).

Christ Jesus even mentioned circumcission in his teachings, we see this in John 7:14

Moses therefore gave unto you circumcision; (not because it is of Moses, but of the fathers;) and ye on the sabbath day circumcise a man. If a man on the sabbath day receive circumcision, that the law of Moses should not be broken; are ye angry at me, because I have made a man every whit whole on the sabbath day? Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.

Dong Bran,

No offense meant pero di na baya ko motoo tanan anang nakasulat sa Old testament.
Motoo ko naay Ginoo ug nagbinut-a sab ko sa akong pagpuyo pero kanang tanan nasulat diha di gyod nako matake kay di na logical.

Cheers!

I respect your opinion, Tita, however the question in hand was poking on the topic of scriptural support or the antithesis of the act of circumcission.

Whether the French or not are circumcised or not has nothing to do with the subject matter. As the French were not in question; Europeans, Africans, etc.

You get my point.



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Doy Bran, thanks.

Pero magsabtanay nalang ta Doy ha kay lainlain man ta beliefs. para nako ang bible tawo rapod nagsulat ana.
Mora raba pod na ug biography ba about God.

And again, I believe that there is GOD but I dont believe every words written in the bible.
Pero daghan baya maayong basahon pod. Ganahan ko mobasa anang Psalms.

I also believe in miracles, kay kadaghan nako makaexperience ana.

Cheers!



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From author and preacher John McArthur on the belief that every word in the Bible is inspired by God and is used by God to speak to humans.

a)1 Corinthians 2:13--Paul said, "We speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Spirit teacheth." Paul claimed it was the words, not just the thoughts that are inspired.

 b) John 17:8--Jesus said to the Father, "I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me." In the Old Testament phrases such as "thus saith the Lord," "the word of the Lord came," and "God said" are repeated over 3800 times. Clearly God communicates by words.

 c) Galatians 1:11-12--Paul said, "I make known to you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached by me is not after man. For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ." Paul got the gospel from God, not men.

 d) Exodus 4:12--God said to Moses, "I will be with thy mouth and teach thee what thou shalt say." Forty years later Moses said to Israel, "Ye shall not add unto the word which I commanded you, neither shall ye diminish anything from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the Lord your God which I command you" (Deut. 4:2). Words spoken by God are not to be taken away from or added to.

 e) 1 Peter 1:10-11--Peter wrote that "the prophets have inquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you, searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ who was in them did signify." This verse is a power argument against thought inspiration. The Holy Spirit gave the prophets a message about the Messiah, which they recorded. Then they sought to understand the meaning of their own proclamations. So there were times when the prophets received and recorded words that they did not fully understand. So it was words not thoughts that they pondered on, which again is evidence that inspiration is verbal.

 f) Matthew 24:35--Jesus said, "Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away." It is the words in the Bible that God has given. Pronouns, prepositions, and conjunctions are important.

 g) 1 Corinthians 14:37--Paul said, "If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord." A spiritual man will recognize that Paul's writings are the very words of God.

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More from John McArthur on the belief that the Bible is God-breathed and its every word is inspired by God.

1. It (the Bible) is God-breathed

Second Timothy 3:16 says, "All scripture is given by inspiration of God" (Gk.,  theopneustos, "God-breathed").

Scripture proceeded from the mouth of God. In a sense both special and natural revelation are the product of God's spoken word. Psalm 33:6 says, "By the word of the Lord were the heavens made, and all the host of them by the breath of his mouth". God breathed the universe and the Bible into existence. Thus when Scripture speaks God speaks. For example in Exodus 9:16 God says to Pharaoh, "In very deed for this cause have I raised thee up, to show in thee my power." But Romans 9:17 says, "The scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might show my power in thee." Paul attributes to Scripture what was spoken by God. God and Scripture are used interchangeably. As Paul says in Romans 3:2, the Scriptures are the "oracles of God."

 a) Jeremiah--In chapter 1 he wrote, "The word of the Lord came unto me, saying, Before I formed thee in the womb, I knew thee; and before thou comest forth out of the womb, I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations" (vv. 4-5). Then Jeremiah records God as saying, "Whatsoever I command thee thou shalt speak. Behold, I have put my words in thy mouth" (vv. 7, 9). In chapter 5 God says to Jeremiah, "I will make my words in thy mouth fire, and this people wood, and it shall devour them" (v. 14). Jeremiah responds to God in chapter 15, "Thy words were found, and I did eat them" (v. 16). Later, in the same chapter, God gave this promise to him, "If thou take forth the precious from the vile, thou shalt be as my mouth" (v. 19).

 b) Ezekiel--God said to Ezekiel, "Son of man, all my words that I shall speak unto thee, receive in thine heart, and hear with thine ears. And go unto the children of thy people, and speak unto them" (Ezek. 3:10-11). God gave Ezekiel the exact words to say.

 c) Paul--Ananias said to Paul, "The God of our fathers hath chosen thee, that thou shouldest know his will, and see that Just One, and shouldest hear the voice of his mouth. For thou shalt be his witness unto men of what thou hast seen and heard" (Acts 22:14-15).

 d) John--In Revelation chapter 1 John wrote, "I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet, saying, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia. Write the things which thou hast seen, and the things which are, and the things which shall be hereafter" (vv. 10-11, 19).

So the men who wrote the Old and New Testaments were commissioned by God to write His words. Paul's words to Felix reinforce the fact that we can trust the Bible as the Word of God: "This I confess unto thee that, after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets" (Acts 24:14).

2. It includes all Scripture

The Greek term  pasa can be translated "all" or "every." However, when Paul wrote 2 Timothy 3:16 the New Testament canon was not closed. Therefore some believe "all" can refer only to the Old Testament. But that interpretation places a time restriction upon "all" that is not warranted by the text. All Scripture is inspired of God whether it precedes or follows Paul's second epistle to Timothy.

Jesus said "the scripture cannot be broken" (John 10.35). That includes Scripture that had been written, was being written, and would be written.

3. It points only to Scripture

The Greek word translated "scripture" (graphe) means "writing." However not all writing is God-breathed. Paul said to Timothy, "From a child thou hast known the holy scriptures" (2 Tim. 3:15). Only holy writing is God-breathed. 

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Mike, salamat ani.

Hala ka basin imo nako i-ban dires TB kay wa ko motoo tanan sa storya sa bible? Di nalang ko makigdebate bahin ani kay basin di gyod ta maghuman unya. :-))

Cheers to you and doy Bran!!
Love yah both.

From author and preacher John McArthur on the belief that every word in the Bible is inspired by God and is used by God to speak to humans.

a)1 Corinthians 2:13--Paul said, "We speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Spirit teacheth." Paul claimed it was the words, not just the thoughts that are inspired.

 b) John 17:8--Jesus said to the Father, "I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me." In the Old Testament phrases such as "thus saith the Lord," "the word of the Lord came," and "God said" are repeated over 3800 times. Clearly God communicates by words.

 c) Galatians 1:11-12--Paul said, "I make known to you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached by me is not after man. For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ." Paul got the gospel from God, not men.

 d) Exodus 4:12--God said to Moses, "I will be with thy mouth and teach thee what thou shalt say." Forty years later Moses said to Israel, "Ye shall not add unto the word which I commanded you, neither shall ye diminish anything from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the Lord your God which I command you" (Deut. 4:2). Words spoken by God are not to be taken away from or added to.

 e) 1 Peter 1:10-11--Peter wrote that "the prophets have inquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you, searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ who was in them did signify." This verse is a power argument against thought inspiration. The Holy Spirit gave the prophets a message about the Messiah, which they recorded. Then they sought to understand the meaning of their own proclamations. So there were times when the prophets received and recorded words that they did not fully understand. So it was words not thoughts that they pondered on, which again is evidence that inspiration is verbal.

 f) Matthew 24:35--Jesus said, "Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away." It is the words in the Bible that God has given. Pronouns, prepositions, and conjunctions are important.

 g) 1 Corinthians 14:37--Paul said, "If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord." A spiritual man will recognize that Paul's writings are the very words of God.

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Mike, salamat ani.

Hala ka basin imo nako i-ban dires TB kay wa ko motoo tanan sa storya sa bible? Di nalang ko makigdebate bahin ani kay basin di gyod ta maghuman unya. :-))

Cheers to you and doy Bran!!
Love yah both.

Dear Alicia,

Freedom of speech is the sweetest gift of democracy.

Love you always...

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Re Insoy:
Whether the French or not are circumcised or not has nothing to do with the subject matter. As the French were not in question; Europeans, Africans, etc.

Yes Dodong they have nothing to do with the subject matter but we should always remember nga we are very young in this world. Before Philippines there was  Amerika and before Amerika there was already these europians existed, and even some continents got lost already, we should not ignore them in some of the discussions and why i included them in my examples.

I can not just read the bible and follow even not reflicting the people in the past. If you solely read and follow the bible it is like you are locked in the house without doors and windows  and can never compare and reflect the people around you, i think it is wrong.

Before our time there were not so many reading materials, internet or whatever magazines, all they have is the bible and some of Sheakespear's books and others. Karon, dont you think they ignored everything what is written in the bible? nga they were the first who got christianized?

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hi guys, this is my first time in this thread and read lots of interesting insights. I am very aware about the BIBLE. Ever since I stepped in to a Catholic school up to I graduated college, I thought I know everything about it. It was when I came to the US with so much materials to read and see that I came to realize that there are plenty of things to know more about it. And it even became more interesting when I get the chance to go into the Vatican City in Rome Italy. That was the time when my Faith finally gets into the point where I say, I know where I stand now.
 

but here's my question, did you know who wrote the bible? this question is for you Bran specially since you are the one who started the thread. From then on I'll see what I can add.

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